Thursday, January 9, 2014

EXCLUSIVE
Air Serbia starts 2014 with massive growth

Air Serbia starts strong in 2014

Following its first official week as an Etihad Airways subsidiary, Air Serbia has seen its passenger numbers soar. In the first seven days of the year the airline handled just over 33.000 passengers, an increase of 64.9% compared to the same period last year, setting up one of the busiest Januaries the airline has seen since the breakup of Yugoslavia. Air Serbia’s average cabin load factor stood at 66%, down two points on 2013. Although the figures are representative only for the first week of the year, they are significant as it is the first time growth levels have hit such a high since Yugoslav Airlines began resuming services across Europe in the early 2000s.

The rebranded airline has also seen a major jump in passengers travelling business class, up over 120% on last year, as well as a major increase in the number of passengers using its services to transit through Belgrade. Currently, Air Serbia boasts the largest fleet out of all EX-YU airlines with fifteen aircraft in use at the start of 2014 - seven Boeing 737-300s, four Airbus A319s and four ATR72s. The highest load factor of over 90% is being reported on flights from Belgrade to Zurich, Copenhagen and Paris as well as from Moscow to Belgrade. Prague remains the most popular of the newly launched destinations.

Air Serbia’s predecessor, Jat Airways, hit a low point last January when its fleet shrunk to only eight operational aircraft. The airline was forced to cancel many of its flights and reduce frequencies on most destinations. In January 2013 the airline suspended services to Brussels, which were resumed in April, and operated only a single weekly flight to Copenhagen and Stockholm (with services to the latter operating via the Danish capital). Flight cancellations continued throughout the year until September due to a fleet shortage. A year later, the Serbian carrier has added frequencies to nearly all of its flights and has launched five new destinations while almost doubling its fleet.

186 comments:

  1. why is it yesterday when i booked a flight from London- Belgrade for July on Opodo that it was still being called jat airways?

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    1. I do not know why but it seems that these online booking systems are slow to make changes. It took them about a year to remove Malev from the booking system systems, well, Amadeus at least.

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    2. And besides that, some don't even have Air Serbia (while they had JAT) in the system. At least that's the case with the booking system I always used.

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    3. List of prospective Air Serbia destinations in the future (posted from another topic few days ago):

      - Bratislava (ATR72)
      - Chisinau (ATR72)
      - Odessa (ATR72)
      - St. Petersburg
      - Sochi
      - Baku
      - Yerevan, could be coupled with TBS
      - Erbil
      - Ankara
      - Amman
      - Cairo
      - Algiers
      - Madrid/Barcelona (very important for the Bulgarian feed)
      - Naples (ATR72)
      - Nice
      - Birmingham
      - Dublin
      - Oslo
      - Helsinki

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    4. *TBS stands for Tbilisi

      Other AT7 destinations:

      - Tirana
      - Zagreb
      - Cluj Napoca
      - Venice
      - Lvov

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    5. Long-haul destinations:

      - New York
      - Chicago
      - Toronto
      - Beijing
      - Lagos, Accra

      Intentionally omitted:
      - Hamburg (served through Air Berlin)
      - Almaty (served through AUH)
      - Riga (no equipment for a long and thin route)
      - Tripoli (situation in Libya not getting any better)
      - Nis
      - Tunis (served through Monastir)

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    6. Note: I am quite sceptical for now in what concerns the long-haul route launches, besides the North American ones (that were announced) and that could ideally be routed AUH-BEG-JFK/ORD/YYZ once Serbia gets CAT1, it could free some narrow-body frames from BEG-AUH as well. Most of Asia is well served through AUH with the exception of PEK where there could be considerable O&D. If the Beijing route ever materializes, it could provide feed to certain African destinations and vice-versa, that could be perfectly served with an A319/A320 ala TK.

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    7. Illustrative image of destinations that could be served with a narrowbody a/c from BEG (A320 in this example, the A319 has greater range though i think it's irrelevant):

      http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ABJ%0d%0aARN%0d%0aSVO%0d%0aAUH%0d%0aPEK%0d%0aFRA%0d%0aEVN%0d%0aMAD&R=3100nm%40beg&MS=bm&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*&RS=shaded

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    8. The only way I can see this long haul network being successful is if the fleets of Air Serbia, Etihad, and Air Berlin are rather fluid. Air Serbia might need a temporary replacement for one of it's longhaulers, and how to replace when there are only a few jets? There would need to be a system where a plane can quickly be borrowed from one of the other airlines.

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    9. Unlike many of you think, after the CIS Africa might become Air Serbia's next focus in development.

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    10. I believe many of the routes you mentioned could work out with A319. Baku via Sochi and Yerevan via Tbilisi would be really good idea.
      ATR to Tirana, Zagreb, Lavov, Venice year round and Odessa and maybe Simferopoll during summer could be really nice addition to the regional network of Air Serbia.
      Cluj and Chisinau are TAROM destinations and Air Serbia wants them as a partner. Also I think TAROM was affraid that Air Serbia will aggressivly enter Romanian and Moldovan market so they quickly offered cooperation. This is nice compromise for the both sides.

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    11. Before Air Serbia goes double daily, they should have a good European and African network. By my opinion I think destinations needed before long haul are : Lisbon (codeshare TAP), Barcelona (also codeshare), Madrid, Malaga, Marsell, Manchester, Dublin, Hamburg, Munich (they need their own flights), Luxembourg (maybe not), Geneva (codeshare), Venice, Naples, Turin, Zagreb, Split (all year), Dubrovnik (all year), Tirana, Burgas, Cluj, Krakow, Helsinki, Bergen, Saint Petersburg, Yekaterinburg, Ankara, Antalya, Riga, Villus, Tallinn, Malta (all year), Amman, Dubai (codeshare), Doha (codeshare), Jeddah, Riyad, Kuwait, Almaty, Tunis, Alger, Monastir, Oman, Cairo, Addis Ababa, Lagos, Accra, Tripoli, Delhi.

      I understand that they'll need a big fleet and a lot of money to achieve this, but with the big help of the government and Etihad it might be realistic to expect in the next 5 - 10 years.

      Also they should increase frequency and capacity to a lot of routes.

      And than we can expect to see Air Serbia flights in New York, Chicago, Toronto, Los Angeles, Johannesburg, Beijing, Sao Paulo, Bangkok or some other airport.

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    12. @olhanense - One correction, Simferopol could be served only with A319, that place is quite far. Odessa is the furthest that could get the AT7 (unless JU cooperates with PS the same way it did with Tarom).

      Simferopol is the one that could be linked to Sochi actually, instead of TBS which is really a weak and highly competitive market. I don't see them launching SIP though, other than a seasonal destination.

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    13. The cities in Near East that would need to backtrack via Abu Dhabi/EY to reach Europe are choosing Turkish or Pegasus.
      Thats the market Air Serbia will aim for.Beirut is the logical first step.
      Cairo,Amman,Erbil and Kuwait will have to follow.

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    14. Also, great to hear some people with some knowledge in geography so: olhanense +1.

      Anonymous@11:42PM, don't know how serious you were cause some of the destinations do not make any sense. Among those:

      - Malaga
      - Marseilles (better served from Nice, much higher yields)
      - Hamburg (already mentionned)
      - Turin (no need for direct flights)
      - Dubrovnik, Split (all year) (this would require a discussion)
      - Burgas (Varna served nearby)
      - Yekaterinburg (debatable, served via Moscow though i don't see why JU wouldn't succeed on some of OK's routes across Russia)
      - Antalya (no need for year-round scheduled flights, maybe Izmir instead)
      - Bergen - interesting, why not Oslo?
      - Riga, Villus, Tallinn (too small markets to send their own metal, though i see AirBaltic relaunching BEG if Etihad buys them out)
      - Los Angeles - only as AUH-BEG-LAX, otherwise NO-WAY
      - Sao Paulo - They would need a huge European and Asian feed to make this work so no, i don't see that happening
      - Jeddah, Riyad, Kuwait, Almaty, Oman, Addis Ababa, Delhi, Bangkok (all served perfectly via AUH).

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    15. Kuwait is not a significant backtrack and we'll have to see whether the yields would be high enough to justify and sustain a daily frequency, otherwise it won't make any sense, it is already served double daily via Abu Dhabi.

      NB - OK's network in Russia and CIS:
      - Moscow, Nizhniy Novgorod, Perm, Rostov-on-Don, Saint-Petersburg, Samara, Ufa, Yekaterinbourg.
      - Other CIS: Almaty, Kiev, Odessa (recently cancelled), Tashkent (seasonal), Tbilisi (seasonal), Yerevan.

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    17. Thanx Aerologic! I always enjoy reading your posts!

      Since you are from Ukraine do you think can JU make some good business with LWO, SIP and ODS? As I know most of the turists at Crimea are actualy from other CIS countries so I`m not so sure who would fly there via BEG. ODS already has BT,LO,LH,TK etc. therefore I dont know is there space for JU.

      Actualy you are right for TBS. Every time I went to the south Caucasus I flew to TBS coz tickets were way cheaper than to EVN or BUS. Now when W6 entered Georgian market and expanding its network at KUT tickets must be even cheaper. It wouldnt be so profitable for JU.

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    18. Why would anyone expect North American passengers from AUH to be routed through BEG and not Air Berlin or Etihad Regional hubs? AB already flies long haul and Etihad Regional will have much stronger O&D base than BEG for many years to come.
      Making it a hub for Central Europe to North Africa/Middle East routes (for which IST/AUH/DOH/DXB/CDG means a lot of back tracking) is way better strategy.

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    19. Dear olhanense - you're welcome! Let me answer your questions.

      The ideal scenario would be JU signing a cooperation with PS just as it did with Tarom, or even beyond that; which means JU placing its code on PS flights to DOK, LWO, ODS and SIP while PS would place its codes on BEG, DBV, LJU, SJJ, TIV and TGD amongst other possibilities. SIP would work from BEG only if tour-operators would promote it, Crimea is pretty completely unheard-of for the Serbian tourist (which is a pity, given the number of people that goes to Turkey or Egypt). I would also add that is important to take into consideration that Ukraine is a highly decentralized market with at least 5 important airports with a number of international connections around the country.

      Outside the possibility of cooperation with PS, let me summarize:

      -> ODS - possible year-round with AT7 (highly underserved airport, FZ and G9 moved-in just recently)
      -> SIP - far and unlikely, only based on heavy touristic promotion or charters, better served with codeshare via KBP as i said before
      -> LWO - another underserved market and perfectly possible with an ATR72 daily
      -> DOK - an important and rich city but not feasible from BEG - very far, almost as Moscow - and decently served (they've got a great new airport by the way, that you can see on some of my pics).

      http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/239191/

      Concerning TBS - don't get me wrong, i just LOVE the city, but as i said before i don't see it happening, even less at this moment. As you perfectly had reason to mention, W6 flies from Kutaisi - i was on that flight recently (KUT-HRK in November) and the flight was full. Same was the flight to Kiev departing next to ours. Yerevan will on the other hand become interesting cause it's highly underserved and Armenia is about to liberalize the market. In a nice surprise move, EY announced EVN just recently.

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  2. Does anybody know how the LF of the BNX flights are?

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    1. BNX LF is around 50%

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    2. Halo Anonymous January 9, 2014 at 9:38 PM.

      Punjenje nije ni 30%.

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  3. This must be a pleasant Christmas gift to our Serbian Friends and Merry Christmas from me.

    Some of us (including myself) could be eating our words soon as we may have completely underestimated the effect of being a Etihad partnered airline has with people deciding who to fly with. Most impressive are the business class results.

    Still early days but so far so good.

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    1. Nice of you to admit that. I'd really want to see growth with all ex-YU airports/airlines. This is our region and, despite our differences, we still share common language and past. I'd rather see "our" airlines grow than LH, LX or OS.
      What I would definitely want to see is BEG-ZAG flights.

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    2. @Q400January 9, 2014 at 9:33 AM

      Don't rush with your apologies just yet, these numbers are still down on JAT's best figure in 2011 and 2012.

      Ethiad is buying out downtrodden airlines in hope they can make some sort of alliance of their own, sort of a failed state's last gasp to be relevant.

      Only reason why Emirates and Ethiad and similar Gulf airlines have any viability is cause they're toys for very rich sheiks who don't know what to do with all their money.

      Whole region is a despotic feudal black hole of destitute, slavery and religious zealots and only ignorant and stupid are ignorant enough to visit that part of the world.

      That being said, whole business plan of Ethiad, Emirates and similar is highly dubious based on principle of paying no tax or for fuel at home and operate in highly uncompetitive and closed market for other international airlines.

      They bring gullible and ignorant en-mass and hope they can buy their way around by buying other bankrupt airlines in hope of becoming even more relevant.

      Air Serbia, Alitalia, Darwin, and list goes on is just example of their utter ignorance and hopes of creating something out of something that doesn't work or has failed to work in the past.

      Air Serbia's numbers might improve as more aircraft joins the fleet, but you got to also understand it was first weekend of the year, xmas, new year is reason for a decent result, not spectacular growth or management of the airline.

      As I type this the EU is considering introducing visa regime on Serbia with these being introduced sometimes in March or April if all 28 nations agree on visa restrictions.

      Germany, France, Holland, Sweden and Denmark are vocal about it and they' want visas regime in place for all non-eu European nations and have them in place until the day candidate state joins the EU.

      Which in Serbia's case would be around 2026 at the earliest or 2029/30 more likely date (if group expansion now favored by the EU heads is pushed)

      In all I am highly skeptical of Air Serbia aching anything beyond what JAT has manged to, with perhaps 20% improved results on JAT or around 1.6 million pax by 2018, this is if the EU visa restrictions aren't re-introduced on Serbia, but with Germany being strong about it, I think its quite likely Serbian passport holders will require visa before May of this year, so I don't see how Air Serbia numbers can go up if that does indeed happen.




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    3. Really surprised an airline hasn't scooped you up as a CEO. You seem to know everything from airline management, EU expansion plans, Middle East politics...

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    4. lol actually, according to the latest reports there are no proposals for the re-introduction of visas so I do not know what you are talking about. I guess it's wishful thinking.

      Air Serbia has been recording positive passenger trends since the day it launched its first flight. Let's give it six months to see where the airline will end up. I just wonder what makes you more qualified than the experts who are running the airline.

      Since this takeover was announced there was an army of people who predicted total catastrophe. The reality has always provd them wrong and I am sure it will do the same to you too.

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    5. Regarding
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      @Q400January 9, 2014 at 9:33 AM

      To write something clever and worth reading it is not enough to spend holidays in writing long and bitter report.
      "The dogs bark but the caravan goes on." (Persian sentence, who does not understand it google, please!)
      Regards

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    6. An outburst of bitterness this long and elaborate can only be seen as a similarly sized compliment to Air Serbia's management.

      The comment shows a total lack of knowledge or understanding about the Arab world, the way they do business and their civil aviation strategies, all the while accusing others of ignorance. Pathetic. I suppose danking Deutschland no longer works for you, so you have to hate on the Arabs like Lufthansa's management in your inability to adapt to the new situation.

      Emirates is posting year-on-year profits and gets ZERO fuel subsidies, for instance. But I really can't waste time denouncing your factual mistakes, irrelevancies and prejudice case by case.

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    7. I would like to thank the Anonymous@1:34PM for giving me a great laugh. Due to the continuous absence of a nickname and a seemingly endless rhetoric, this time i'm gonna call him "capitol-steak-things are looking up for ZAG", since he still hasn't got the decency to place a nickname under his bitter comments, for all of us to identify him by something else than terrible grammar mistakes, his tone of an evil aunt and the huge gaps left behind by his posts.

      "Whole region is a despotic feudal black hole of destitute, slavery and religious zealots and only ignorant and stupid are ignorant enough to visit that part of the world."

      The guy has obviously never been there or ever ventured far from his own home. That's a direct insult to millions of people who are working there, including myself, who have travelled those airlines and been there on a number of occasion.

      "Only reason why Emirates and Ethiad and similar Gulf airlines have any viability is cause they're toys for very rich sheiks who don't know what to do with all their money."

      :) Sounds like an answer you would get from a kid in kindergarten after being asked about the question. Dear Capitol-steak, there are many reasons why the Gulf airlines not only have viability but are leaders in their industry. One of them being placing back those states at the crossroad of world-trade - a place they once occupied - and ensuring a modern post-oil economy.

      "As I type this the EU is considering introducing visa regime on Serbia with these being introduced sometimes in March or April if all 28 nations agree on visa restrictions."

      Let me just inform you that:

      - Visas are needed for the Turkish citizens in the EU
      (Did it make TK collapse?)
      - Visas are needed for Russians nationals to visit the EU
      (Did it hamper Aeroflot's growth)
      - Visas are needed for Ukrainian nationals to the EU
      (Did it prevent PS from recording the highest transfer % in Europe?)
      - Visas are needed for Lebanese nationals
      (Did it prevent MEA from becoming a world-class airline?)
      Last but not least: visas are needed for Emirati and Qatari nations almost everywhere they go.
      Did it prevent the growth of their airlines? Ask Airbus A380 commercial director about that.

      So here, i hope you got the point. As Air Serbia relies more and more on transfer pax both from the region and beyond, i wouldn't be too worried even if such thing was to happen, though it's highly unlikely. By doing that, the EU would score itself an own goal, radicalize the public opinion against it and and further push Serbia closer to Russia (what they certainly don't need following their recent debacle in Arimenia and most monumentally Ukraine, with Moldova about to follow). Anyway, JU's network is expanding to many destinations other than the EU where Serbian nationals should have even more incentive to travel anyway.

      So, as long as the EU and other citizens are free to transit in BEG on their way to their final destination, i wouldn't worry too much about that.

      "In all I am highly skeptical of Air Serbia aching anything beyond what JAT has manged to, with perhaps 20% improved results on JAT or around 1.6 million pax by 2018"

      Yes, i see it's aching you. Don't know if this is also (the 2018) a typo but in the case it's not you may find yourself in the greatest of embarrassment cause that's the number JU could easily handle by the end of the year.

      Good luck swallowing the sour grapes. I guess having a 'steak' in the 'capitol' might make 'things looking up for you'. :)

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    8. A non-feudal one :D

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    9. To the skeptical Anonymous at 1.34 PM: Preach, brother! Regards from a loyal Belgrade-based LH*G, who actually cares about airlines operating sustainably within moral limits..

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    10. I don't want to insult, but after the latest Miles & More enhancements, only fools will still be maintaining LH*G rather than switching to TK or SK...

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    11. Well, that is to some extent true, but provided you make the cut for your desired status, it makes more sense to have it with the airline you are using the most- which in my case is LH. I do sometimes wish it was TK, but heck, I am pretty much doomed to Luftwaffe as most of my flights are to the western part of Europe. BTW, upgrades with LH are now only limited to their own members, so..

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    12. HEhaha !
      Luftwaffe !
      You obviously meant Lufthansa because Luftwaffe is the german word for Air Force...

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    13. @ Stratospheric:

      Your response wass classy and very well put, however that guy did not deserve a minute of anyone's time. His hatred is just not worth any arguments.

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    14. Thank you Ix!

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  4. So basically the airline handled 42% of last January's passengers within the first week? Impressive.
    By the way, last January the airline handled 77.962 passengers in total.

    Does anyone know which B737-300 was added to the fleet as they are seven now? Also, what's happening with YU-APD?

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    1. Is there any way to estimate what would have been Jat's numbers last January if they didn't have to cancel all those flights? Such estimation would be more relevant to compare with Air Serbia's results.

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    2. If I remember correctly, Jat Airways recorded a 4% passenger growth last January. So who knows...

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    3. I was just checking and YU-AON flew to Zurich this morning. Was that the latest B733 to join JU's fleet? I do not recall seeing it until recently.

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    4. 733s are: ANI, ANJ, ANK, ANV, AON, AOU & AOV. AT7s are: ALN, ALO, ALU & ALT

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    5. What's happening with AND and ANW? :(

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    6. stored for spare parts i think (ANW is for sure)

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    7. Thank you Nikola for the list. So was it YU-AON that joined the fleet recently? If I remember correctly they had six B737 until recently.

      YU-AND left the fleet at the end of July. I flew with it just a few days before it was scrapped. It really looked tired and worn out.

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    8. It seems that YU-AND is circling around BEG right now. Maybe they will put it back into service..who knows :)

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  5. Those biz class numbers are crazy. I guess when they finalize their fleet by March-April and introduce their new product everywhere, they'll see a massive biz class sales increase across the board. Seems like their investment into the new peoduct is paying dividends already. They must be super happy about this.

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  6. Long way to go, but management and staff will overriding all hurdles and wining full development up to inter-continental traffic. .Exciding time ahead!
    Keep good work AIR SERBIA!

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  7. What about Bucharest? How is that route performing? Since it wasn't mentioned as one of the worst is it safe to assume it's not doing that badly?

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  8. Does anybody know how is it with ATRs? Didnt they have 5 of them? 3 of its own (72-200) plus two leased (72-500) ? One of those -200 was long in hangar on service, but as I remember during last summer it was finished and joined others in fleet.

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    1. The lease for one of the Atr 72-200 expired and was not renewed so it was returned to the lessor. That's why there are four Atrs today in the fleet.

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    2. While on the topic of ATRs it is interesting that Darwin yesterday finalized the lease of 5 I think for next summer

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    3. It was not recorded log time that YU-ALP is flying.

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    4. I hope Etihad Regional will still use its SAAB to Belgrade as the flight would be too long for the Atr. I am sure it would be around 02.30.

      However, Rome to Zagreb is perfect for the Atr. I am sure it would be around 01.45.

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  9. Oh, come on! The planes are empty! 20% full or so! Lies everywhere.

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    1. And what's your source? I doubt wishful thinking and bitterness are good enough.

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    2. They are not quite empty - they carry cheap agricultural land to UAE and the sheikh himself oversees each delivery. Those 20% are not pax but wax dummies staged for propaganda.

      I hope this will ease your pain though I fear you suffer far more seriously. Get well soon :)

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    3. Seven aircraft are landing one behind the other as we speak, other five have already landed. All this within 35 minutes. The sight from the airport was pretty amazing. :)

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    4. Air Serbia flight, JU 311, from Paris CDG, YU-ANI, aborted its landing and it went around.

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    5. My dear fans, or should I say GUESTS, my source is my work. Now you go figure. If you can focus while worshiping Air Serbia's pics on the web.

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  10. It seems there is limited visibility in Belgrade as the rate of landings has been reduced. The fog was pretty hardcore all day yesterday.

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  11. Why do both Air Serbia and Adria have their flights to Ljubljana arrive to Belgrade with a 40 minute difference? Why doesn't Adria just move its flight to the afternoon so as to feed the evening bank of departures.

    Then again, competing with Air Serbia's Atr will not be easy. I have a feeling they won't last much longer.

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    1. Adria has been struggling with BEG for all of last year. If I remember well, Ex-yu reported that in 2013 they recorded the biggest drop in passengers to BEG. Last time I flew Adria in November from BEG, there were 8 of us on board and 11 on the return. Then I flew again in December but with Air Serbia and I couldn’t fly out on my proffered date because the flight was sold out.

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    2. I guess most of the people travelling between the two cities do it either by train or car hence why airlines must rely on transit passengers. Adria's network out of Ljubljana is not that great for them to compete with other carriers.

      By the way, were your flights with JU full?

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  12. It's the 9th of January and Zagreb airport has not yet published their numbers. Does anyone know why or when they might do it?

    Also, what will OU do now when they will compete with Etihad Regional on their route to Rome? Will they go direct?

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  13. The results are somehow imptoving but still a disastrous LF and this is the only despite the earnings which matters. 66% in the most frequent week of the year after Chrismtmas and New Years Eve is probably the lowest industry across. Not a single space for hapinnes but let's wait few months more before drawing conclusion.

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    1. Dude, you do realize that within this week they had:

      1. First of January, who the Hell flies then anyway?
      2. 06th January, Christmas Eve.
      3. 07th January, Christmas.

      So out of the seven days three saw very little passengers. I personally find these results amazing. I do not know what you were expecting. Some people are never going to be happy, especially those calling a 66% loadfactor disastrous. lol

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    2. I can confirm TK flight on 7 Jan (xmas day) had a pretty disasterous LF. I guess I am now supposed to conclude there is no single space for happiness in TK...

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    3. anything below 85% is low

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    4. Yes but 66% was overall, there were numerous destinations with a high O&D demand which saw their lf over 90%. I am sure that they had a low lf which dragged their average down on routes such as Tel Aviv, Banja Luka and so on.

      Gastterbajter lines were full.

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    5. Sometimes I get the feeling lots of people here don’t even read the article. They read the headline or the first sentence and start commenting. You can clearly see in the article that several routes had an average LF of over 90%.

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    6. A point of reference: 7th of January, LX 1404 BEG-GVA was full (they overbooked and were moving ppl to earlier flight to ZRH), people fly when it's convenient for them... Let's wait for the full month results before guessing the LF of JU. Or even better, let's wait for some kind of profitability report before judging the new strategy. My feeling is that JU should be profitable very soon (planes are leased, debt is gone, excess workforce is laid off), if the strategy is right...

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  14. Does anyone know why Air Serbia's flights from both Vienna and Ljubljana (2x Atr) landed in Podgorica? Air Serbia's flight from Paris seems to be doing the same. What's happening?

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    1. BEG webpage says that it's waiting to land, the flight to Paris that is. Could it be that there is no space for the aircraft on the ground? JU A319 to Athens just took off so God knows what's happening.

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    2. Yeah but the thing is that other flights landed at the same time without a problem. That's why this is a bit confusing.

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    3. There was extreme fog last night and this morning in BEG. It's just lifted though its still around

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    4. lol Jelko Kacin, EU enlargement enlargement policy chief was on Air Serbia flight from LJU to BEG which just landed in TGD.

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    5. Looks like that ATR72 in case of fog can not land... today few flight were redirected to Podogorica (LJU, VIE, CDG) ... i know it because my wife took Air Serbia flight this morning from LJU. More than an houre they waited for approwal to take off and than they were redirected to Pogorica. There was no problem with ADR flight 40 mins latter that landed at BEG by scheduekld time... what a crap

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    6. Ohhh Jelko Kacin, would be better to support your national carrier ... it is at least punctual

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    7. This Air Serbia service sucks 100%... The flight from LJU was redirected to Podgorica... after 2 houre non of represantatives even mentioned this people what could they expect... only thing they was told was to wait in transfer area...I made some calls to representative of Air Serbia in Ljubljana as well as to HQ in Bedlgrade no one knows nothing ... gooooooood start of a very abitius project called Air Serbia

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    8. dude, it's fog. who can know when will it lift? ATRs can't land or take off on fog as thick as is now over Belgrade, so i really don't see the reason of your frustration. i only don't aprove they diverting to TGD. they could've diverted to INI and transfer pax with buses

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    9. Who are they to give any information to you? Should they also send you the flightpaths by e-mail? Some are taking transparency a little too far.

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    10. Come on .... i know fog and ATR issue ... but still if this happens the representative at the airport must tell people what could be ... not just put them in transfer area ... non of the reperesentative at te Podogorica airport was avalilable... this is the problem

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    11. Sure ... if you pay for a service than you get an absolute right to be informed in any possible case... we are not caws to be delivered brom point a to point b

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    12. Sure you are, with your mentality. Otherwise you would have looked up weather reports or beg.aero for the cause of your diversion.

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    13. I've been travelling lot of times worldwide. In Dubai landed 6 hours late due to the fog (staying in Doha without announcement). With Alitalia from Nice (windy) 3 hours late without any apologies. With Lufthansa from BEG to MUC, same fog in Bg, Christmas morning, flight delay after 5 hours no announcement missing Kuala Lumpur flight. In Skopje airport 6 hours waiting no excuse, Wizzair form Timisoara 8 hours (the pilot was drunk) excuse 2 months later. TK let me whole night in Bodrum to IST flight, without drink, not to mentioned sandwiches. Yess, AIr Serbia is worst, because it is measured by the degree of hating.

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    14. I can only second your words. The amount of hate seen against Air Serbia is incredible. Whatever minor event occurs, with the technical diversion to Abu Dhabi being the most recent, everyone is there to jump that it is the worst airline in the world, oblivious or ignorant about the fact that similar events happen by dozens every day, all around the world. A quick look to the Avherald would be sufficient to gain some wider knowledge on the issue:

      http://avherald.com/

      At the same time, it is obvious that those comments are coming from people who have little to none experience in air travel, especially long-distance travel. It's like a peasant* who flies once a year or in few years and wants to be treated like a gentleman in business or first class and all that for a bargain, c'mon. An airline is not a complex-healing clinic. As a person travelling often "excuses and explanations" for every little thing aren't even the things i expect or that even matter. After all, the staff are humans, often doing their best to deal with the variables and high pressure in the air travel industry.

      *no offence to agricultors, it's more of a figure of a certain type of backwards and spoiled-brat mentality

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    15. @aerologic

      You are so arrogant its not even funny, who is he to ask for information??? How about a PAYING CUSTOMER, judging by your rant ( " and wants to be treated like a gentleman in business or first class and all that for a bargain, c'mon. " ) ... you seem to believe that people should get down on their knees and be eternally grateful to air serbia for even allowing them on their plane. Maybe air serbia should stop offering absolute bargains and then a higher class of people will fly on it. But since you always proclaim to know a lot about aviation I'm sure you know that the ones to complain the most and about the tiniest things are usually not seated at the back of the plane ;)

      I dont know why some serbs are soooo damn paranoid, let me say this loudly, if someone doesn't praise air serbia constantly or brings up a legitimate point THEY ARE NOT A HATER, DETRACTOR, JEALOUS OR A FOREIGN SABOTEUR .... STOP BEING SO PARANOID.

      Most of you lapped up the Italians positive review last week without even wondering about his motivations for a second (not suggesting he had any BTW) and yet when some one brings up something thats not glowing you attack him with as you like to say aero the typical peasant attitude.

      I just hope Air Serbia doesnt share your attitude towards customer service. The hard product is easy to improve, the soft one needs to be worked on constantly, and doesnt allow childish outbursts against your own customers! But I'm sure you already knew that!!!

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    16. Actually, according to aviation regulation, the only time when an airline is not responsible for the fate of its stranded passengers is when natural circumstances are bad, such as the weather. Since fog is qualified as weather, Air Serbia could have just left all those passengers in Podgorica and flew its planes empty to Belgrade a few hours later. JU did not do it but they took the passengers back to Belgrade after a few hours even if they did not have to do it. I seriously believe that some people should fly more often on Ryanair.

      Also, so what if there was no representative there? Don't you know how to find your way around the transit zone of Podgorica airport?! Don't you know how to reach the gate when boarding starts? Geez...

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    17. I was talking about this... this is by all menans not ok and there is no excuse for no one... and pls do not preach and insult how ignorrant and farmer-look are pasangers... who cares about Air Serbia or any other airlines ... peolpe are not cows...such a bad practise will not refflect in positive attitude to newly born brand

      Magla i vidljivost slabija od 150 metara natjerala je juče pet aviona Air Serbia da umjesto na beogradski aerodrom "Nikola Tesla" slete na podgorički čekajući da se gusta magla u glavnom gradu Srbije povuče, pišu "Dnevne novine".

      Putnici, njih oko 100 koji su trebali da putuju za Beograd, više od 10 sati su proveli u prostorijama aerodroma u Golubovcima čekajući zeleno svijetlo iz Srbije za polijetanje aviona. Nakon što je jedan od aviona Air Serbia poletio je za Beograd oko devet časova, putnike je čekalo novo iznenađenje, jer su piloti nakon višeminutnog kruženja bili prinuđeni da se vrate u Podgoricu. U Golubovcima, vidno iznervirane putnike dočekala je još veća agonija koju, kako je za "Dnevne novine" kazao jedan od putnika, nijesu očekivali.

      Prema riječima jednog od nezadovoljnih putnika, niko od osoblja Aerodroma Crne Gore nije obraćao pažnju na njih te su sami morali da se snalaze.

      "Niko nije došao da nam ponudi piće, a kamoli sendvič. A kada se okupila grupa od oko 100 putnika došlo je do napada na osoblje aerodroma, zbog višesatnog nemaranog odnosa prema putnicima, prebacili su nas u Niš", rekao je sagovornik Dnevnih novina.

      Direktor aerodroma u Podgorici Dragan Milanović kazao je da nije upoznat sa tim da je došlo do incidenta između putnika i osoblja aerodroma, ali je dodao da je bilo nezadovoljstva putnika.

      Među putnicima koji su zbog magle bili prinuđeni da slete u glavni grad Crne Gore bio je i poslanik Evropskog parlamenta Jelko Kacin, koji je putovao na dvodnevni sastanak sa predstavnicima vlasti u Srbiji, navodi podgorički list. (Dnevne novine, CdM)

      http://portalanalitika.me/drustvo/vijesti/129783-dn-iznervirani-putnici-napali-osoblje-podgorikog-aerodroma

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    18. Nemjee my friend you are so full of it.

      Please show me the law that says you can just leave a DIVERTED passenger stranded at an random airport and not expect any consequences??? And I mean specifically what you said, that they can just leave them at podgorica, not back to where they came from or to belgrade? Please I'll wait and eat my words if you can can show me that.

      Its so ironic that with your attitude you proved the point of the post right above yours. hahaha

      Hilarious so after being stranded for up to 10 hours with no communication whatsoever, no drinks or food, not to even mention being put up in a hotel which almost all of the airlines you like to compare air serbia to provide, they should be thankfull JU didnt just dump them in the middle of nowhere? Are you serious.

      And why are you comparing air serbia to ryanair, is that the bar for customer service air serbia should be setting????

      The fact that you and a few others are not only defending this, but attacking the customers for daring to be upset for having absolutely no service for practically a whole day speaks volumes!!!

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    19. How much would it have cost air serbia to give these people a drink and a sandwich? Or to have some basic communication with head office through stewardesses to tell passengers what is going on. Its not very difficult. Customer service attitude needs to improve dramatically.

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    20. If you read the artice all accusation go to Podgorica airport. Podgorica just hosted the mass at the Belgrade ... the only one who is responssible for pasangers is the one who was obliged to take on their board. And, yes ther is the law at least in EU how to deal with such events. To offer a meal, drink and after 6 hour a hotel to rest.

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    21. Whose responsibility is it do you think?

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    22. To the coward who is addressing me without a nickname:

      Read the EU regulation before making a statement. When the problem is the weather the airline is under no obligation to give monetary compensation to the passengers. All it has to do is put them on the next SCHEDULED flight. In other words, if Air Serbia really wanted, they could have returned the empty plane to Belgrade when the fog lifted while those stranded passengers would be put on the next available flight, which would be the following day, that is today. JU would have NO obligation to provide the passengers with drinks, food or hotel accommodation for the night.
      If this was a delay caused by the airline then the outcome would have been a different one and they would have to pay.

      Yes, I am comparing Ryanair and Air Serbia because both times the passengers were stranded at the airport due to weather conditions. In this case it was the fog while in the case of Ryanair it was heavy winds. Ryanair scheduled all passengers on its next flight a few days later without being obliged to give any monetary compensation to the passengers.
      In this case, Air Serbia was fair as they could have just rescheduled the passengers to fly today in stead of organizing bus transport from Nis to Belgrade. Had they obeyed the law they could have saved some money by not renting out buses.

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    23. The airline must provide assistance ... the one who was paid to transport you at the desired destination... it is being written in all passangers rights

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    24. Well, the article says that no representative of the airport came to offer them food and drinks, it doesn't say that no airline official was there. So unless there is proof that JU representatives did not provide assistance then the airline did not break any law.

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    25. @Nemjee

      So is by EU law:

      With cancelled flights, you won't receive compensation if:

      the cancellation was due to extraordinary circumstances for example due to bad weather, or
      you were informed 2 weeks before the scheduled flight date, or
      you were offered an alternative for the same route with a similar schedule to the original one.
      For cancellation due to extraordinary circumstances you may not have the right to compensation, the carrier must still offer you either:
      a ticket refund (in full or just the part you have not used)
      alternative transport to your final destination at the earliest opportunity or
      rebooking at a later date of your choice (subject to seat availability).
      Even in extraordinary circumstances, airlines must provide assistance when necessary, while you are waiting for alternative transport.

      http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/passenger-rights/air/index_en.htm

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    26. @NemjeeJanuary 10, 2014 at 1:29 PM

      come on .... stop it and admit that the behaviour of Air Serbia was nt correct... I know the whole story as my wife was at the plane from LJU - BEG. There was no on fro Air Serbia there and after my few calls from Air Serbia representative in Ljubljana who did not know nothing to HQ in Belgrade that also had no idea and finaly to Podgorica airport where they gave me a personal GSM of one of Air Serbia represtative there .... but still he was asonished becouse my wife called him on his persomal phone.... come on ... this is reall not rofessional

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    27. nemjee Attacking the person and not the problem shows you dont believe in your own argument. And childish name calling, i mean common how old are you? And so what if i know your NICKNAME or not, your argument is still baseless.

      To further prove my point you want to move the goalposts, your original and FALSE argument was that they could legally leave them in podgorica, they absolutely cant!!! then that they wouldn't need to compensate them, then that they could just leave them there for days until the next flight. Which one are you picking? You'll make even the most ridiculous arguments just to avoid admitting the obvious. Quite sad actually

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    28. Golly, more anonymous posters.

      The whole point here is that Air Serbia did not break any law. Legally they could have left them in Podgorica overnight (stranding them there or leaving them in Podgorica) as there were no more flights that day. The airline had no legal obligation to send a chartered flight to pick them up that night. Like the law says, Air Serbia had to put them on the next scheduled flight. That's why I referred to Ryanair which put its passengers on the next flight out of Split four days later without giving any monetary compensation to the passengers (as in money because the flight was delayed and then cancelled, vouchers and so on). Air Serbia could have done the same. Put the passengers on tomorrow's flight and like that they would have saved a lot of money by not renting out buses to drive the passengers from Nis. The airline was kind enough to bring these people the same day to Belgrade. Seems that you are forgetting about that.
      Maybe if there was no airline representative at first it seems that someone did appear in the end.

      The most important part of this discussion is that the passengers were furious that airport officials, so not the airline one, ignored them and did not want to give them food or drinks. This is indeed strange as I suppose they could have bought them in some airport shops, unless they wanted to get them for free.
      So I do not see why you are constantly attacking Air Serbia over this, attack Podgorica airport in stead, it seems that they are the source of passengers' anger.

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    29. I was on the flight from Paris which was forced to land in Montenegro and when we landed we were greeting by a lady who told us to go to the transit zone and monitor the screens when the flight would be ready to depart just in case we did not hear the announcement. Naturally some idiots who were very rude decided to fight with the airport officials.

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    30. departing from any airport situated in the EU, or
      arriving in the EU with an EU carrier or one from Iceland, Norway or Switzerland.
      Refund or alternative transport
      If you are denied boarding or your flight is cancelled or overbooked, you are entitled to either:

      transport to your final destination using comparable alternative means, or
      having your ticket refunded and, where relevant, being returned free of charge to your initial departure point.
      Long delays - if your flight is delayed by 5 hours or more, you are also entitled to a refund (But if you accept a refund, the airline does not have to provide any further onward travel or assistance).

      Your airline must inform you about your rights and the reason for being denied boarding, or any cancellations or long delays (over 2 hours, although this may be up to 4 hours for flights in excess of 3500 Km).

      Food and board
      You may also be entitled to refreshments, meals, communications (such as a free phone call), and, if necessary, overnight stay, depending on the flight distance and length of delay.

      Financial compensation
      In addition, if you are denied boarding, your flight is cancelled or arrives more than 3 hours late on arrival at the final destination stated on your ticket, you may be entitled to compensation of €250 - 600, depending on the distance of the flight:

      Within the EU

      1,500 km or less - €250
      over 1,500 km - €400
      Between EU airport and non-EU airport

      1,500 km or less - €250
      1,500 - 3,500 km - €400
      over 3,500 km - €600
      If the carrier offered you an alternative flight with a similar schedule, the compensation may be reduced by 50%.
      With cancelled flights, you won't receive compensation if:

      the cancellation was due to extraordinary circumstances for example due to bad weather, or
      you were informed 2 weeks before the scheduled flight date, or
      you were offered an alternative for the same route with a similar schedule to the original one.
      For cancellation due to extraordinary circumstances you may not have the right to compensation, the carrier must still offer you either:
      a ticket refund (in full or just the part you have not used)
      alternative transport to your final destination at the earliest opportunity or
      rebooking at a later date of your choice (subject to seat availability).
      Even in extraordinary circumstances, airlines must provide assistance when necessary, while you are waiting for alternative transport.

      http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/tr ... dex_en.htm

      THERE WAS OBLIGATION! FOOD, DRINK, PHONE CALL AND HOTEL IN CASE OF VIS MAJOR (FOG)!!!!

      ...AND YES! AIR SERBIA ACT AGAINST LAW!

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    31. With your level of hatred you certainly need urgent medical attention :) How often do you fly anyway?

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    32. @anon 1:17

      Did they finally turn on the internet at the mental hospital?

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  15. Dude for VFR pax 6th, 7th of Jan are working days cause most of them work in Western Europe so don't be fooled by that they won't fly.
    2nd. You're free to analyze some data to see what happens in a good airline this week. LF around 99%! Take whatever airline you want!

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    1. Not necessarily. People from western Europe can still take a few extra days from their annual holidays to stay for Christmas.
      Also, can you please share with us your proof of this 99% loadfactor, thanks.

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  16. Here is whatever airline for you: TK. I fly app. 30k miles with them annually and I've never seen such an empty A319 as was the one that flew BEG-IST on 7 Jan. Should we advise them th shut down the company? Or perhaps just the BEG route and then the company? Should we warn them how hopeless their business model is?

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  17. Looks like that ATR72 in case of fog can not land... today few flight were redirected to Podogorica (LJU, VIE, CDG) ... i know it because my wife took Air Serbia flight this morning from LJU. More than an houre they waited for approwal to take off and than they were redirected to Pogorica. There was no problem with ADR flight 40 mins latter that landed at BEG by scheduekld time... what a crap

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  18. It is sad how people cannot understand that if 6th and 7th of January are taken into the count, you simply cannot have a big LF. And 66% LF with such a big fleet is bad? Helloooo.

    Anyways Zagreb and Tirana would be profitable new routes and maybe Dubrovnik year long. A lot of people from Hercegovina, especially Trebinje would use it.

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  19. I just read your comments and I'm scared.. You people are fanatics. Someone says his oppinion which doesn't fit in your constructed reallity and dozens are attacking him..
    Bye! Maybe you're right about 66% LF, you can even taka e nap in such cabin!

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    1. Good, that means you will not be annoying us anymore with your predictions of doom and gloom for Air Serbia.

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    2. "AnonymousJanuary 9, 2014 at 11:38 AM
      Oh, come on! The planes are empty! 20% full or so! Lies everywhere. "


      such an reasonable oppinion :)

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    3. I gave you the example of TK flight on Jan 7. Would you provide your opinion on it?

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    4. @Anonymous January 9, 2014 at 2:26 PM

      maybe he would say: it is a lie, TK had 95%

      ;)

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    5. HE works for Air Serbia and knows exactly how many passengers are on each flight. I love that you love aviation and are bunch of wannabe pilots/stewardesses/airline professionals but PLEASE don't spread incorrect data just because you simply love Arabic business model and dream of being their slave.

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    6. And how do you know that he works for Air Serbia, trolly dolly? Unless you are him :))
      Take care of your carts and dream of being...whatever you want to be...

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  20. Why are flights from Banjaluka and Bucharest cancelled today (both w/ ATRs)? Is that related to the fog in BEG?

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    1. Because the size of your profile photo blocked the runway in BEG...

      Geez, even 9 year olds know how to resize it...

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    2. and you still have problems with his photo? change the browser.

      @ Darko

      yes, it's because of the fog. 3 AT7s are in TGD, and who can know when will they return

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    3. It isn't about the size, it's a failed design attempt.

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    4. Not enough passengers. Bucharest is cancelled all the time. Fog or sun. Period.

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    5. Crew, take a rest, please!

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    6. Stop spreading lies if you don't have anything smarter to say...OTP was never cancelled

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  21. Hi Mladen Malbasic, January 9, 2014 at 9:29 AM

    The load factor at BEGBNX is 22/66, it means 33%. As far as BEGBNX route is concerned, Air Serbia makes looses but the looses are covered by the government of the Republic of Srpska.
    The company doesn’t pay any landing and handling fee to the airport operator. That’s a false economy.

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    1. Are you certain that is the case? Adria flights to BNX 2 years ago were subside and it was officially known, but nobody said that is the case with AS.

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    2. JU pays no taxes in BNX, that was their condition to open the route otherwise they'd stay out. In addition, all RS officials are obliged to use JU and the government of Srpska announced some school excursion programs that would be flown by JU.

      That is not JU's problem though. Politicians from Srpska wanted flights from BNX, they were told it would not work without subsidizing, and they agreed. Normally JU would not open the route.

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    3. Of course it is not their problem, it is JU benefit. Just a fact that it is not known and kept secret by government of Srpska is surprise (or not :) ).

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    4. Well, passengers still pay the airport tax so..

      By the way, a few days ago there were 40 passengers on the flight from Belgrade, 23 on the flight back.

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    5. I flew on 27.12. to BEG 36 pax + 1 guest ( Qatar airw. cabin crew) and return leg 07.01. 11 pax

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  22. Flew JU656 Beg - SVO on 08.01.14 ... Departure on time. 100% full even though SU had a flight leaving some 20-30 minutes prior to ours. YU AOV business class non-existant but I was told at check-in that they will reimburse the business fare. Catering in "business" was FANTASTIC; especially I would underline the taste of the food and the wine selection...worth trying "domace cufte i punjene paprike" and Serbian made Chardonnay ... GREAT! Purser and cabin staff very communicative and pleasant. Overall great flight and product even for a rd eye) except for the comfort of AOV which is equal to ZERO! Issues with A319 permits in Russia still persist therefore very rarely APC or APE make the trip to SVO.

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  23. Kondic and company announced that #5 and #6 A319 will be in Belgrade at the latest in the first week of January ....this has not happened yet!!!...does anyone know why????

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    1. Aircraft are undergoing heavy maintenace checks after being returned to lessor. Problems with aircraft have resulted in delays in delivery ... no one knows what work aircraft will require until they are returned to lessor from the lessee and it is the responsibility of the lessor to hand over aircraft in perfect condition ....nothing sinister in it - standard stuff when dealing with leased aircraft ....

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    2. Let me ask you a few questions:

      - Will the airline be getting only 2 of A320's or more of those? How will it be split at the end?

      - If i understand well, the lessor has to pay compensations to Air Serbia for that?

      - Where is the 4th A319 - YU-APD if i'm not mistaken?

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    3. Yes, only 2 x A320s and compensation is dependent upon what sort of deal was struck .. at the very least, lease payments will not commence until the aircraft are delivered in perfect operational condition ...

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    4. Ok - but YU-APD is still sitting down somewhere, unused, correct?

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    5. Those in heavy-maintenance, that are the Kingfisher birds, correct?

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    6. YU-APD is undergoing heavy maintenance and cabin reconfiguration as it is being converted from business into airliner variant. The YU-APD is ex-Kingfisher VT-VJM (A319-133ACJ corporate jet, becoming A319-133LR), a long-range variant of the jet, with a range of up to 11,000 kilometres.

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    7. LR? Where are they planning to send those?

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    8. We all know that YU-APD need to passes C check, but what is happening with YU-APA ( ex XA-VOT) , siiting in MUC, painted in Air Serbia livery??

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    9. ex XA-VOT will be YU-APF and only God knows why that plane is still in MUC...

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  24. I couldnt help but notice that the co-pilot in the photo had a beard.

    That is a big NO NO at most airlines.
    Was that allowed at Jat before or is that a new cultural thing added since Etihad purchased Jat?

    I Air Serbia wants to impress their new owners but to relax the beard safety rule seems strange.

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    1. Yeah he looks pretty unprofessional in that photo. They could have chosen a different pilot, or taken another picture.

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    2. Models not pilots.

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    3. If he is a model then who ever chose him to represent the airline was incompetent.

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    4. Nicky name, have you measured volume of the head or height of hill on the ladies shoes.Or have you noticed that one lady wear red scarf? You're like two oldies in Muppet show criticised all but enjoyed in show

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    5. What a stupid criticism of people only because they wear a beard...
      Whats next, too black hair?

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    6. Beards are generally not allowed on most airlines because they can break the seal on oxygen masks, and honestly, most beards don't look very professional.

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    7. It seems I have to explain my comments to the children (Zoran and Anon) more slowly so that they can understand.

      The reason I mentioned the pilot having a beard is due to the fact that the O2 mask will not seal to the face if there is a beard. Under rapid depressization the pilots have only 9 seconds of useful consciousness if they are at FL410. That is the reason they have to get the O2 mask on and set to EMER pressure breathing ASAP. Hence my comment regarding the pilot with a beard.

      You kids and many like you amaze me with all of your comments on topics that you know nothing about.

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    8. Nicky Name, sorry for my comment, as I realised You did not understand it. It was not about regulation of the companies concerning pilol beard,(every pilot has to respect it) it was about intention of some on this post to find anything, even beard, scarf etc to humiliate one company nearly born. Just give a chance, when is obvious that it goes in right direction. Not only Air Serbia, but all traffic companies from the SE Europe, just to make to all of us more comfort. That was a point of my childish (besides I'm 58) answer. Sometimes listen to the silver heads.

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  25. I have never heard of any serious airline publishing results on a weekly basis. Then picking up the holiday week with high traffic. Let's wait for full January results and then we can judge.

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    1. Well, they didn't publish them. The mod learned about them.

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    2. Didn't you read the headline ex-yu exclusive...

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  26. Despite of everything said in the article, Air Serbia will record the worst load factor in January compared to last two months, EX-YU fans will be informed on time. Then conclude what you want....

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    1. another hater lol

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    2. Ok Einstein - do you actually know how load factor is calculated ?? Let me explain it in terms that you will understand.... it is no. of passengers / no. of seats operated (before the technical people out there criticise me, it is actually calculated by RPKs / ASKs). Back to Einstein's conclusion of Air Serbia recording the worst load factor ... If you double the number of seats offerred and carry the same no.of passengers, then the LF% will naturally reduce. What you have failed to understand or if you actually do understand, then failed to acknowledge, is that Air Serbia is operating 50% more flights than it did previously. It is generally carrying 30% more passengers, so to be achieving a 30% increase in passenger no.s on a 50% increase in capacity - is actually an awesome effort. When you put this into no.s, then of course the LF will appear to be low. But, 60% LF this year is NOT the same as 60% LF last year. You are comparing apples and oranges .. so before you go and throw darts at Air Serbia because of LF% no.s, get behind the LF% no.s and compare year-on-year passengers carried and seats operated. That is what matters and then you can criticise them if warranted, based on this comparative. Otherwise, shut the fuck up because you have no idea what you are talking about ...

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    3. LF% is not the be-all and end-all, you can easily fill a plane with discounts and promotional offers (2for1 etc.) Passenger revenue is much more important imo. In other words a 50% LF can be better than 60 if the latter has a large share of heavily discounted tickets.

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  27. Koji manipulatori!

    Što ne objave katastrogalne rezultate za Decembar, nego prvu sedmicu u Januaru kada gasterbajteri idu kući i kada je Pravoslavni Božić.

    Kako to da su tako naglo objavili informaciju za prvu sedmicu januara, koja je tek prošla, a nikako da zbroje decembar.

    Jadno i patetično.

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    1. Jadan i patetican si jedino ti kome posle 130 komentara opet nije jasno da ovo nije objava koja dolazi iz JU vec ekskluziva do koje je dosao ExYU.

      I kakve veze ima decembar ili bilo koji mesec? Sta god da ovi zbroje ti ces odmah doci ovde kako bi poredio cifre koje se ne mogu porediti i iz takvog poredjenja izvlacio zakljucke o zaveri ogromnih razmera ciji je jedini cilj da se prikrije najgori poduhvat u povijesti komercijalne avijacije.

      Neverovatni ste jbt... Pa ne moze Air Serbia da prestane da postoji samo zato sto je vi onako iz duse mrzite.

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    2. Притом, на крају текста пише да ће ових дана објавити и децембарске бројеве Ер Сербије тако да не знам зашто смараш више.
      Да ли стварно мислиш да су децембарски бројеви лоши када је аеродром Београд забележио раст од 19%?!

      Укључи мозак.

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    3. Mozak i te kako uključen.

      19% povečanja putnika, a 50% povečanja oepracija = katastrofalan LF
      + niske cene zbog promocije, akcija 2+1 isl. = vrlo nizak prihod i nedostatak profita

      LF u Novembru 53%, navodno LF u Decembru još i niži.

      I onda jest jadno da daš informaciju o famoznoj sedmici u kojoj gasterbajteri, smučari i turisti pune avione 90%, a prezentira se 65% kao odličan LF. Nije! U toj sedmici ne možeša da pronađeš slobodnog sedišta na avionu nigde u Europi. A ovde je bilo 35% slobodnih sedišta.

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    4. Изгледа да ти мозак и није баш укључен.

      Као прво, продаја карата Ер Сербије је почела релативно касно што значи да су им изостали гастербајтери који купују карте месецима унапред.
      Друго, Ер Сербија је нова компанија и треба времена док се не позиционира на тржишту. Европа је страшно конкурентна што се тиче авио саобраћаја а ЈУ је знатно увећао своје присуство. Мрзи ме да ти даље објашњавам, прочитај коју књигу из маркетина и менаџмента па ћеш разумети мало боље целу ситуацију.

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    5. Your all dumb to be honest. There are 4-5 routes which are doing really really bad such as Tel Aviv, Banja Luka, Abu Dhabi, and Istanbul is also not doing too well. LF is the AVREAGE of all the routes, the full and empty ones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    6. E to što je prodaja krenula prekasno jest problem koji je neprofesionalnost Air Serbie sam napravio. Jer nije trebalo da se čeka, a kamoli još da se kasni sa prodajom karata što beše tako.

      A linije su bile i pre, jer je i Jat prodavao karte. Ne toliko kao Air Serbia ali dobar deo je mogao da se kupi.

      Koji god razlog beše, rezultat je loš. I ide ne neprofesionalnost Air Serbie.

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    7. Susjede, nemoj se mnogo nervirati, skočiće ti tlak! Ostavi nama, kojima Air Serbia nije kost u grlu, da se nerviramo oko LF-a iste!

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    8. Sus(j)ed je malo nervozan, a kako i ne bi...Njegova OU na više nego upola manje redovnih nesezonskih linija koje održava (18) od omražene Air Serbia-e ima skoro sličan LF.
      Šta tek za očekivati na kraju 2014.?
      Ali većina ovde nije tako zajedljiva, pa želimo sve najbolje vašoj nacionalnoj aviokompaniji.
      U tome je razlika...:)

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  28. yesterday's fog issue in Belgrade and devertion of 5 Air Serbia flights to Podgorica airport... my god!!!!!

    Magla i vidljivost slabija od 150 metara natjerala je juče pet aviona Air Serbia da umjesto na beogradski aerodrom "Nikola Tesla" slete na podgorički čekajući da se gusta magla u glavnom gradu Srbije povuče, pišu "Dnevne novine".

    Putnici, njih oko 100 koji su trebali da putuju za Beograd, više od 10 sati su proveli u prostorijama aerodroma u Golubovcima čekajući zeleno svijetlo iz Srbije za polijetanje aviona. Nakon što je jedan od aviona Air Serbia poletio je za Beograd oko devet časova, putnike je čekalo novo iznenađenje, jer su piloti nakon višeminutnog kruženja bili prinuđeni da se vrate u Podgoricu. U Golubovcima, vidno iznervirane putnike dočekala je još veća agonija koju, kako je za "Dnevne novine" kazao jedan od putnika, nijesu očekivali.

    Prema riječima jednog od nezadovoljnih putnika, niko od osoblja Aerodroma Crne Gore nije obraćao pažnju na njih te su sami morali da se snalaze.

    "Niko nije došao da nam ponudi piće, a kamoli sendvič. A kada se okupila grupa od oko 100 putnika došlo je do napada na osoblje aerodroma, zbog višesatnog nemaranog odnosa prema putnicima, prebacili su nas u Niš", rekao je sagovornik Dnevnih novina.

    Direktor aerodroma u Podgorici Dragan Milanović kazao je da nije upoznat sa tim da je došlo do incidenta između putnika i osoblja aerodroma, ali je dodao da je bilo nezadovoljstva putnika.

    Među putnicima koji su zbog magle bili prinuđeni da slete u glavni grad Crne Gore bio je i poslanik Evropskog parlamenta Jelko Kacin, koji je putovao na dvodnevni sastanak sa predstavnicima vlasti u Srbiji, navodi podgorički list. (Dnevne novine, CdM)

    http://portalanalitika.me/drustvo/vijesti/129783-dn-iznervirani-putnici-napali-osoblje-podgorikog-aerodroma

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  29. Which one is 5th flight? I know only 4, 3ATR and 1b733. At the time of arrival even Nis was under minimum, so naturally they were sent to TGD. So if you want to fly and try to land in usafe conditions pick some other airline.

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  30. 5 flights diverted, 100 passengers - "EXCELLENT" load factor! Ha! :)))

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    1. And still +64.9% on the glory days of January 2013

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    2. yes, if you count 5 versus one :)

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    3. Ha, indeed, frustrated trolly dolly ;)

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  31. The majority of the bashing comes from former disgruntled Jat employees like CREW who had to leave the airline or those that still work but had to undergo training as they have lost all sense of what being a crew member is. And ofcouse they mourn the loss of Jat. If you painted the petokraka on the tail and leased a B707 and told them all they had to do was sit in the last row and read the newspapers like they did the same time last year they woild be praising the airline.

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  32. it is amazing all the hate JU gets and I can guarantee it's from ex-JAT employees. Since many of them are my friends they do see Etihad as kind of an invader to this utopia which existed at JAT. I was very dissapointed when 3 of my friends (JAT crew members - 2 have left now) were talking to me and constantly making insults on the account of the new crew members. They all seem kind of hurt and bitter at how they had to leave and I kind of understand. JAT was their life and now its all gone. But I think they have to realize, eventhough I love them, that the fun, the travel, the pride they had... its time for someone else to have that. To cling on to this absolute bitternes does not help anyone.

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    1. Well said!! I wish all the retired guys at JAT a smooth transition and that they may enjoy their golden years now without regrets!

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  33. Also an easy way to spot an ex-JAT commentator is when they use the word "Guest" with mockery. Since Etihad introduced that word they get an allergic reaction to the word ;)

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    1. Oh is it? BTW, I'm not an ex-jat 55 year old... Still rather young and working (under 40). You aviation fans really have no idea whatsoever about Air Serbia deal and what is happening in it, we can see that. You are all like "Oh, uh, it's an airbus. wow, nice colors wow! I'm gonna have that as a wallpaper". It takes more than that to have a real airline. Not just some mediocre, repainted, old, well used airbuses.

      No one is satisfied with what they did, not even new hires. They are constantly hating pax because it's the new "thing" I guess. "Ok, let's go hate the pax together ha ha ha" is what you hear often. Way to go Air Serbia, way to go!

      P.S. Passenger's response to new term "Guest" is not good at all. Just for your information.

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    2. Point proven. So keep hating. I work for Air Serbia, former JAT as well but can see past my nose because we would have been closing "shop" just about today if this didn't happen... Just for your information... If you couldn't make it, it doesn't mean the rest of us can't. Poz.

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    3. Well CREW if you don't like your job why are you still there? It's sad to work in airline industry where customer service is a paramount while hating the pax that "feed" you... Rather sad...

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  34. Beg-auh review - 21 dec 13. Flight 50% full, check in ok, but could not issue ticket or select seat on auh-bne component of same ticket which was disappointing. Meal reasonable goulash with gnocchi, fine, light on for too long, would have preferred brightness lowered soon after take off for night flight. On arrival to auh had be bussed to terminal, crew decent, slight attitude - seemed a bit annoyed that I accidentally called. Otherwise friendly during other times, meal service and welcome. Plane looked good and I had whole row to myself so that was great. 7.5 out of 10. Also a bit annoyed to find out unable to earn velocity points even on ey bne to auh since ticket issued by air serbia. Im velocity platinum and auh-bne also has va flight code. Going back in a month and checkmytrip was showing both etihad and air serbia flights auh to beg till I advised of this, hope it was not blocking others from booking ...

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  35. No one is satisfied with what they did, not even new hires. They are constantly hating pax because it's the new "thing" I guess. "Ok, let's go hate the pax together ha ha ha" is what you hear often. Way to go Air Serbia, way to go!
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