Wednesday, December 10, 2014

SkyGreece to launch Toronto - Zagreb flights

Flights from Toronto to Zagreb to resume after seven years

SkyGreece Airlines will launch seasonal summer flights from Toronto to Zagreb next year, the Croatian Ministry for Foreign and European Affairs said in a statement. The news comes after the two sides held high level talks in Montreal last week. The new service is set to launch on June 22 and operate once per week until October 15 with the airline’s Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, which has the capacity to seat 274 passengers. SkyGreece Airlines has also agreed on a joint marketing approach with the Croatian National Tourism Board in Canada in order to attract more Canadian tourists to the flights.

The planned new service will mark the resumption of flights between Zagreb and Canada’s largest city in seven years. Skyservice Airlines previously operated the route once per week on a seasonal summer basis for two years, in 2007 and 2008, with a Boeing 757 jet. The flight ran each Wednesday, departing Toronto at 22.45 and arriving in Zagreb at 15.00 the following day. The return service departed the Croatian capital at 19.00 and arrived in Toronto just after midnight. SkyGreece Airlines was founded in 2012 by a group of Greek-Canadian entrepreneurs. Based in Athens, the airline has a single B767 in its fleet, which it has been leasing out to foreign carriers. Earlier this year, the aircraft was utilised by Bulgaria’s BH Air and later Air Madagascar.

In January, Zagreb Airport said it was in discussion with two airlines to launch flights from Toronto in 2015. Zagreb Airport has seen a significant number of new airlines launch services this year, including KLM and Eurolot, with Air Serbia and Flydubai to inaugurate flights to the Croatian capital in the coming days. Furthermore, Turkish Airlines doubled its services from Istanbul while Germanwings operated new seasonal flights from Hamburg. Away from Zagreb, another airline has also expressed interest to launch transatlantic flights to Croatia next year. US charter carrier National Airlines is considering operating services from New York to Dubrovnik with a Boeing 757-200 aircraft during the 2015 summer season.

144 comments:

  1. Would be nice to see some more wide bodies in this part of the world.

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    1. indeed,

      Korean Air, JAL and now SkyGreece, hopefully one more carrier from afar comes to Zagreb in coming summer season.

      Zagreb was visited by around 50 000 Canadians in 2013, and 57000 are expected this year.

      Plan for 2015 is to bring 70 000 Canadians to Zagreb and Croatia, SkyGreece might be plan of this strategy.

      5500 Croats visited Canada for their holidays in 2013 and about same number is expected this year, Croatian nationals do not require visa to enter Canada and soon they won't need visa to enter US.

      Numbers should improve, and could improve dramatically if there was a direct link between Toronto and Zagreb year round, perhaps and hopefully this might happen in 2017.





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    2. You always mention dramatic improvements which never materialize-even predicted it for this year, everything in your posts has to be drama-tic ;)
      Perhaps if you were just a bit less biased in all your comments.

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    3. The only thing that's dramatic is him.

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    4. As long as I have been visiting this blog, which is about a year and a half, this guy has been writing the same predictions, along with the same exact vocabulary and points, such as visas.

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    5. He's like a broken disc.

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  2. By the way, someone mentioned that FZ's flights to Zagreb are not selling well. Is it true or was it just trolling?

    Does anyone know how many passengers were on FZ's flight to SJJ yesterday?

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    1. They are advertising the flights in Ljubljana. I think it can sell well, since a lot of Slovens now have the possibility to go to Zg instead of Venice.

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    2. FlyDubai prodaje ove letove u ZAG, ali je i LJU poslovnica pridodana ovim letovima za ZAG. Mislim da će imati i organizirani transfer iz ZAG za LJU i obratno. Kada izlistate flyDubai ZAG otvori se i kontakt za Ljubljanu. Iskreno ne vjerujem da se letovi loše prodaju , mislim da je to patka, ali provjerit ću. Cijena karte daleko previsoka i daleko veća nego kod Qatara koji ima neusporedivo bolju uslugu.

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    3. Jel FZ nudi presedanja na EK letove?

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    4. lucky Zagreb: "We’re carrying out complimentary meal trials on flights to select destinations. These trials will run from 16 December 2014 to 28 February 2015" is this only for new routes? what about SJJ,BEG & SKP?

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    5. Guess that it is another form of promo? Possibly adding extra service for same price for destinations in need of some sales push?

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    6. Belgrade was their first destination to feature free meals. It was announced about three weeks ago.

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    7. If the sales were lousy, they wouldn't have added fourth weekly flight during Christmass/NewYear period, which they did. Based on that fact, it's probably quite opposite - the sales are doing more than fine.

      In addition to that, I remember plenty of comments here when Qatar was about to introduce ZAG, that it was impossible, it would be suspended in months time, they had no chance, that only BUD can survive and ZAG is totaly important - and whar we have today - 5 nonstops to DOH and very likely to be daily nonstop very soon.

      Todays news about Toronto, too, just proves that all those people spitting on ZAG and telling constantly how lousy and irrelevant it was, are just trolls, haters, shauvinists and nothing else. And I really expect this comment NOT to be deleted by blog administrator

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    8. totaly unimportant - correction

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    9. Well, we were not saying that it was unimportant, just that it was not on top of the regional airport food chain.

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    10. @AnonymousDecember 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM

      Zagreb - 2.4 million
      Belgrade - 4.7 million

      What else you need to hear?

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    11. You do realize that despite the competition FZ will be flying 5 weekly to Belgrade for the New Year?

      The 4th flight was introduced much before they saw how booking are really going and they're going poorly.

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    12. @AnonymousDecember 10, 2014 at 3:08 PM

      +1

      totally agree

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  3. You have to be extremely rich to buy a ticket with such notable airline.

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    1. i checked prices, BEG-DXB 410€, ZAG-DXB 521€ (02/01-06/01). it's too much for ZAG

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    2. Sarajevo planes are almost full, Zagreb about 50%, the route is doing bad.

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    3. No that is not true. ZAG flights for first 10 days are 65-75% full.

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    4. I'm sorry, i was speaking of the loads for the next month or two overall, it is about 50%, slightly higher during the New Year period.

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    5. First 10 days mean Xmas and New Year departures; 65% for that total peak period for LCC for DXB is really not good - to put it mildly. Especially since the flights were on sale for couple of months. If this LF data is correct of course.

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    6. general rule: dont believe any numbers posted here


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    7. That's true. But can be used as a conversational piece though :)

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    8. Yes, that is why FZ always ads extra capacity to BEG during New Year period.

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    9. Wow... I am actually surprised about it! Good for Sarajevo! Go, go!
      Personally, I thought it would be the other way around.

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  4. ZAG management is doing well. I remember that they said Air Serbia, LOT and an airline from Toronto would start flights and they all turned out to be true.

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  5. I hope this doesn't end up like Swift Air which cancelled their flight to ZAG/BEG when passengers were already on board.

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    1. lol that was epic. Where were they flying from Chicago was it?

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    2. How exactly was it epic?

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    3. Because no one is that stupid to announce flights and then cancel them when passengers are already on board, that is just funny somehow.

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    4. What an airline, what a frequency, this sounds more like glorified charter to me...

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    5. What's wrong with charters?

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    6. Chances are it will end like Swift, SkyService, National Airlines, Dalmatian and Air Croatia.

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  6. ZAG is absolutely working well on developing the traffic, 5 new airlines in one year, more than 5% growth following a negative start to 2014, and now transatlantic flights. Looks like they'll win the race for direct N.America flights.

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    1. I just don't see no one in this region as a "clear winner". Maybe, and just maybe this region can sustain long haul flights over years is by internally cooperating. Beg-Zag- North America. That way you get a solid bas. Later on, additional separate direct flights can be added from Belgrade or Zagreb alone.

      But, in order to sustain frequency and all-year round presence, you need this entire "similar language" market to work together.

      I don't see how neither ZAG or BEG can do it by themselves, given that you have Austrian, Swiss, Aeroflot, Turkish and their respective hubs... Czech, LOT and Tarom had failed.

      The good thing is that Croatia has tourism potential, while Serbia has large diaspora. Together, maybe yes. Seperately, probably not...

      Sporadic charter flights are not worth the mention. With these guys, we are talking about 10 to 15 rotations in total. We should aim for daily flights to NYC and Chicago. With ZAG getting a new terminal, a short 40 min (boarding time) stop-over from Belgrade should not present any problem. Really...

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    2. Add Malev to the list of failed transatlantic flights. LOT is still flying but it is well known that it's not a money maker for them to say the least.

      Rest of it I fully agree. In summer there is enough for everyone. For year round you'll need whole that market and probably then some.

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    3. Croatian Diaspora (471.000) by USA census is 7 times bigger than Serbian (63.000). By Serbian administration all Serbian Diaspora is 2 million people and by them in USA is just 187.000 people. Those are official data. In same time Hungarian Diaspora by USA census is 1.560.000 and Greek 1.270.000, and they don’t have their national company to fly to USA.

      The only real option is that some USA company start flights to USA (Delta, American, United, Virgin Atlantic which is British company bat has right to fly to USA from other destinations in EU) because of connections in USA and American citizens mostly use flights where they can connect in USA to final destination.

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    4. Purger
      So what if Serbian diaspora is smaller than Croatian, Greek and Hungarian? That is a great
      opportunity for ASL to get transfer passengers. With two daily flights to Athens, Thessaloniki, Budapest and Zagreb, ASL could full planes to Chicago, Toronto, maybe New York. If Serbian diaspora is not as big there that does not mean that ASL has no chances. Infact, all other companies in then region are not in possibilities to start long haul flights, except Aegean (I won't mention Turkish Airlines). I agree with you that passengers should be able to connect with cities in USA/Canada when they arrive at ORD, YYZ, JFK, so ASL could make code share agreement with American Airlines for example, like Etihad has.

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    5. it is OK to have transfer passengers but for long-haul you mast heva base on disapora, tourists, businessman etc.

      And don't forget that Budapest has 2 seasonal routes to North America (Montreal, Toronto by Air Transat) and Athens 7 intercontinental routes (Montreal and Toronto by Air Canda Rouge and same routes by Air Transat, Bejing by Air China, Philadephia by US, and Delta to New York)

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    6. Purger, be careful with US and Canadian census data, it is very different than “popis” in exYU. It’s not very much concerned with ethnicity but more with age etc because it's used for planning purposes. Also, marketing companies are all over it because it gives them perspective of what products to push in certain areas. To me 187K number is lot more realistic. 1.2M Greeks is even harder to believe. In Chicago everybody talks about 1M Greeks in that area.

      Listen, there is no argument here. If Malev failed badly (some say went bankrupt because of the long haul), CSA gave up the idea and LOT bleeding badly even though they now have B787 in place (very efficient) everybody sensible has to have doubts over the fate of any exYU airline going long haul. Now, some positives when it comes to JU is that there are some synergies to be used since EY is present in that market, cost structure when it comes to wages is fairly low. Is that enough, probably no. I think a good NA codeshare (like AA in US and WS in Canada) is a must. Also, some more regional and beyond feed ( like North Africa for ex.). Also it would probably require someone like LOT to give up (which is not totally unrealistic). Who knows, lots of unknowns/big risk, lots of big players on transatlantic routes is there a room for one more?.

      The other option would be to fly there during the high season if you have somewhere else to fly in Winter but that’s probably unrealistic.

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    7. The most of the Greeks in USA are not from Greece but from Turkey. They come after they lose the war in Asia Minor.

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    8. Singapore Airlines also returned to Athens this summer. They will operate seasonal flights.

      It's worth mentioning that Air China doesn't fly directly to Athens but via Munich, two times per week.

      US Airways no longer flies from Philadelphia, they used to before the merger.

      So far in 2014, Athens airport recorded a 20% passenger growth. Numbers went up from 11.700.000 in 2013 to 14.100.000 in 2014. Pretty impressive.

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    9. Despite the economical crisis, that's truly impressive.

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    10. Indeed. Ryanair helped a lot in Athens.
      As far as Aegean goes, so far they handled a bit more than 4 million passengers (+16%).

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    11. Purger, for god's sake... The guy tried to initaite some constructive discussion and underline some truly positive terms such as collaboration, teamwork, joint suceess etc. Do you really have to turn each and every damn conversation into 'my numbers are bigger than your numbers' kind of flame??

      Yes, we know Serbian diaspora is insignifican, we know Croatian GDP is double the amount of Serbian, we know Serbia has no tourism, we know Croatia is in the EU, we know the average salary in Serbia is 7 euro... do you really need to repeat that stuff even when you reply to a clearly positive post in which someone was simply trying to point out the need to work together in order to reap some benefits and earn some money? Why is it so freaking important to throw statistics in someone's face?

      WTF? Does everything and literally everything have to end with this ZAG vs BEG deathmatch? It is total madness and I will never get it.

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    12. @6:07
      It's not just about Purger, Serbs and Croats often just can't even talk here normally, but they are outweighing and arguing like little kids. Now wait until some Croat here writes to you "He did not write nothing wrong, he is just telling facts"? I mean it's sad that Serbs and Croats have to compare mutually, not thinking about doing something together and make some money.

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    13. Because if theory is based on huge Serbian Diaspora than it is wrong theory. I know Petar and personally appreciate him very much. So it is not personal. Just want to mention that one of fallacy here is huge Serbian Diaspora in USA what is not a fact. So, one should wonder for whom Air Serbia will fly to USA? Is it really realistic that 90% of their passengers will be connection passengers from Greece, Hungary, Croatia, Bosnia and Bulgaria?

      I know

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    14. Purger

      Why is it impossible? Why? Emirates works like that. Etihad is. Qatar is. Why couldn't Air Serbia? Please tell me. I am just asking for a reason.

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    15. Hmm if the price and the schedule are right then I do not see why they couldn't rely on transfer passengers for their north American flights. I highly doubt all flights between Frankfurt and North America are sustained by O&D. Sure, O&D helps but it is not a prerequisite for these flights to happen.

      In my opinion, it's a shame that Air Serbia failed to position itself in Israel as this is a key market for north America.

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    16. Koliko ce samo npr Engleza,Nemaca,Poljaka,Azstrijanaca i jos njih dosta putovati sa ASL ako budu najjeftni na sajtu prodaje avionskih karata tako da nema veze kolika je diaspora.
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    17. Hypothetical Air Serbia long haul flights will neither be all O/D and transfer, rather they will service both the not insignificant Serbian diaspora, as well as the diaspora of Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Romania, Macedonia, Bulgaria, etc.

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    18. hey y'all - Purger was really just arguing the point that any one of our diasporas, being of the size that they are, will probably not be enough... so no hard feelings on my part due to his comment ... :)
      I do believe that Serbia and Croatia can make it work, if they do this together. It certainly has been working well before 1990, and it has worked with 5 North American routes. I am not sure how many to the East from Belgrade, but there were certainly many... probably more than 10, which is amazing from today's stand point. Given the competition of Vienna, Warsaw, Budapest (Hungarians are also working on setting up a new national carrier), Prague, Athens etc. Hell yes, Zagreb and Belgrade should take things into their own hands and first cooperate ... Budapest and Vienna and bunch of all other "bastardly" airports actually profited in this industry due to the demise of Yugoslavia and market fragmentation. Flashback, 1979...

      Belgrade - 2,8 mil pax
      Vienna - 2,5 mil pax
      Zagreb - 1,9 mil pax
      Budapest - 1,5 pax
      Bucharest, Sofia, Prague and Warsaw - all of those were ranging from perhaps 0,5 mil to maybe 2 mil in Warsaw, if that...

      So, which two "looser airport" got the bad end of the deal within the last 25 years...? take a guess :)

      Time to get moving. Get several A330-200s moving on as many routes as possible. And the only way that could work is to connect ZAG and BEG. ZAG collects its own pax from Slovenia, rest of Croatia, and a few others from BiH, Macedonia etc and fills up the plane which should always be at least 60% full arriving from Belgrade. If that's not enough, put another frequency, more the better... Tourists, transfer pax, diaspora... they'll fly.

      The tricky part is the official branding. JAT was neutral enough back in the day... and on emotional level was acceptable to croats, serbs, bosnians, macedonians etc. (people to some degree emotionally relate to the brands).
      Maybe a joint venture one day, or unitl then they should use Ethad planes, I don't know... just being pragmatical and practical and realistic ... :)

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    19. Petar, this is also a dream of mine, but I must admit that I don't think it is feasible.

      -Adding an aditional stop in Zagreb would upset passengers

      -Air Serbia already has access to Croatian Markets.

      -Air Serbia already serves all regional and Eastern destinations that Croatia Airlines does, besides Pristina and a few domestic Croatian routes.

      -Getting fifth freedom between Croatia and North America might be difficult.

      -Croatia Airlines doesn't seem to want to cooperate with Air Serbia

      -If Air Serbia and Etihad are taking all the risks and investment for long haul flights, it shouldn't benefit a competing airline.

      -Air Serbia wants to build a hub in BEG.

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    20. Petar, airport numbers from 1979 compared to 2014 (ironically, 100th anniversary of World Word I) show why "divide and conquer" was used to rewrite history and restore "old glory" of those who didn't end up winners in World Wars. By the time everyone sobers up in the Ex Yu, Austria and Germany already amassed staggering wealth and power and rigged the game for the Eastern Neocolonies.

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    21. The latest being Ukraine.

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  7. OT: Interesting analysis about ASL on Swedish web site "Insider plus" (translated from Swedish with Google translate): https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=sv&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.insiderplus.se%2Fnewsletters%2Farticle%2Fair_serbia_satsar_pa_service_och_ett_nytt_nav%2F

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    1. Thank you, great review!

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  8. At one pw during high season they should not have any problem filling the plane.Lots of people from exYu her, plus some tourists. Also, Croats don't need visas for Canada. I wouldn't be surprised if they announce increases as they go along.

    The only stumbling point that comes to my mind is that most of us here tend to make summer vacation planes in Jan-March time frame. That's when LH, BA, OS etc. run seat sales. I personally would probably pay little more and go with one of the incumbents even if they are little more expensive just as a safety net.

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  9. One other thing I'm wondering is how can you have am airplane that even though is old. still probably cost quite a bit, fly only couple of days a week. What do you do with it in the meantime. Such business model seems to go against the logic a bit, don you agree?

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  10. SM - who says that this company won't put the plane into work on other days in the week... ? Afterall, isn't this plance used from Athens to U.S ? It's likely that our ministry of foreign affairs and croatian lobby is trying to get them to fly this Zagreb-Toronto frequency on their "free days" as Athens - U.S. flights are also (probably) not daily, but rather few times a week...

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    1. Nobody says that but everything I looked so far is kind of "stay tuned". on the other hand they had that plane since early this year and and I don't see them flying anywhere now. So you have to pay to park it, plane payments , you have ot pay the crew. All while the plane is not making you any money. I'm just wondering how do you do all of that an dthe only answer I have is that the investors have deep pockets.

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    2. From what I know they have not launched any flights from Greece to northern America. They have been flying charter flights; at one point they even flew in Djibouti.
      With Greece spiralling out of control once again, they picked a really bad time to start with these flights.

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  11. Guys, just look at the cargo flights at BEG for today and the last few days, they increased by like double:

    http://www.beg.aero/strana/13101/dolasci-kargo?brojLeta=&destinacija=&datum=2014%2F12%2F09&vreme=&timeZone=1&type=IA&flightSearch=true

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    1. Critics say BEG growth is only because of Air Serbia and this amazing cargo growth proves them wrong. Let's hope VINCI's report due in early 2015 will recognize BEG needs new cargo terminal as well as new passenger terminal.

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    2. http://www.beg.aero/strana/11821/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B4-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%9A%D0%B0

      It also looks like scheduled passenger flights of some airports in the region.

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    3. No - those are cargo only flights, no passengers.

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    4. I meant - it almost looks like passenger flights timetable of some airports in the region.

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  12. OT: Aero is up over 100% on BELEX (Belgrade Stock Exchange) YTD. People still think JU will have a negative impact on it?

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  13. OT: Germanwings returning to BEG from 30.7.2015. Weekly flights between Belgrade and Stuttgart, each Monday and Thursday.

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    1. Yeah but it's only until 10th September. #fail

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      Oh shut up please, you are embarrassing yourself. Where are you from? Why is that fail? Like 70% of flights to/from Croatia are seasonal, for example. So why is a fail to have seasonal flights??

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    3. First of all, I am from Belgrade and second of all, it's a fail because the route runs for like a month! Basically only in August.

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    4. Anon at 4:58PM
      70%?? I bet like 80% or more...

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    5. @5:02
      I did not say that you are from Croatia, I made an comparison. What's wrong with you??
      And btw GWI is pretty expensive and it is doing bad in BEG so I honestly do not see the reason why would they return to BEG anyway.

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  14. He he, pa kako to kad ih je BEG oterao? ;)

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    1. Nemoj da lazes molim te! Zla, pateticna i podla Air Serbia je oterala GWI! Kako su smeli da se vrate, sad ce da uniste Air Serbiju na liniji za Stutgart...

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    2. Jest, vracaju se da odrade 9 letova u 40 dana. Pa to je manje od iole ozbiljnog chartera.

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    3. Ali zato long haul charter od jedne frekvencije nedeljno- ukupno oko 16 njih je ozbiljan? ;)
      Bravo!

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    4. @6:51
      Malo si glupo to rekao. SkyGreece ce saobrcati jednom nedeljno, Germanwings dvaput. Nekako je 9 letova u 40 dana malo bolji broj nego 16 u 110 dana, slozices se. A da se vracaju, vracaju se. Sa koliko frekvencija, to uopste nije bilo potrebno da naglasavas. 70% vazdusnog saobracaja u Hrvatskoj su sezonski letovi, vecina aviokompanija ima 2-3 leta nedeljno do DBV, SPU..i to sezonski. Tako da tvoj komentar je nekako besmislen.

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    5. Nisu morali ni za toliko da se vracaju, ali ocito GWI vidi neke razloge za to za razliku od tebe npr.

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    6. Aha... sigurno. Ima da bas prodrmaju trziste sa dva nedeljna leta citavih mesec dana.

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    7. Odnosi se na komentar @6:51

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    8. Sezonski let nije mjesec dana. Bogami ne znam ni jednu jedinu liniju koja će letjeti u Hrvatrskoj manje od tri mjeseca, a večina sezonskih linija leti bar 6 mjeseci (dobar dio i 8 mjeseci).

      I na koncu kakve veze ima to što će SkyGreece letjeti za ZAG sa Germanwinsovih 9 letova? Pa ja ni ne tvrdim da su oni ozbiljna firma i da to smatram nećim bitnim za ZAG. Malo jaći čarter, ni po ćemu bitniji od japanaca i koreanaca.

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  15. Taj 767-31AER je 22,8 godina star ja mislim da od te linije tesko da ce biti nesto posto lepo pise na njihovom sajtu direct flights from North America to Athens.
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    1. pa nije napisano u kamenu, najlaksa stvar je na sajtu promijeniti sadrzaj, i kakve veze ima kolko je avion star. Da je objavljeno da leti za srbiju, da li bi se sjetio ovog komentara o starosti? Vjerojatno bi velicao Vucica.

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    2. Pa taj let da se desi je jako malo verovatan.
      767-31AER jeste toliko star i nema veze dali leti za BEG ili ZAG .
      Samo kad bi svi razmislili kako on da leti ATH-YYZ-ZAG-YYZ-ATH .
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    3. a koliko su stari tvoji 767 kod Austrian?

      a direktno nije nonstop..

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    4. Jedan je 15,4 godina star a vi Gospodine uporedjujete letove VIE-YYZ i ZAG-YYZ sto je nebo i zemlja.
      INN-NS

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    5. INN, kakve ti gluposti pricas, imam osjecaj da namjerno trolas. Odi malo prouci kartu europe, pa da znas jos nesto osim iata i icao kodova

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    6. Ja znam vrlo dobro kartu Europe nego sam mislio da je nebo i zemlja po broju putnika i punjenju aviona 767 za YYZ : Nije nikakvo trolovanje.
      INN-NS

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    7. Hocete li vise odjebati od INNa i uciniti ovaj blog normalnijim???!!!
      Mislite da ste pametniji od njega time sto mu drzite lekcije a iznervira vas svaki njegov komentar- to govori dosta...
      Samo prekinite vise da obracate paznju na njega, blamirate se. Da ste zaista dosli ovde zbog vazduhoplovstva i iole se razumete u pomenuto, ne bi trosili svoje vreme da pricate sa 17godisnjakom koga ni ne zanima sta cete mu reci...O boze koliko su neki ovde frustrirani i dosadni...

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    8. The additional info on the age of the aircraft is stupid considering that JU has ac at 30 years, and DL were still flying DC9's until january of this year. IR just retired their B747SP's, we still se DC8 in the skies, not to mention the IL62's.

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  16. OT:

    EasyJet uvodi 3 nove linije iz Splita za Manchester, Newcastle i Luton!

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    1. Damn... I have a feeling that Split will come super close to 2 million next year! Let's hope the airport copes better with the announced growth!

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    2. Svaka cast za SPU ali cudi me da U2 leti za LTN jeste im to baza ali zar nije bilo bolje da lete za LGW.
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    3. Гетвик је на југу Лондона док је Лутон на северу те је могуће да желе привући друго тржиште.
      Исто тако, због природе путника који ће летети на овој линији више им одговара јефтинији аеродром.

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    4. pa ima dosta letova od Easyjeta SPU-LGW...?!

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    5. LTN - 3x tjedno
      STN - 3x tjedno
      LGW - 16 x tjedno

      o cem vi pricate !!!

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  17. OT: Have the Air Serbia flights to Oman started, have those bureacratic issues been solved?

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    1. Yes they have for almost a month now. Air Serbia aircraft and crew operate flights to Muscat on behalf of Etihad. It was reported here before.

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    2. Yes, but it was said there'll be some delays in obtaining necessary permits. Why hasn't then Etihad stopped servicing Belgrade as planned?

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    3. It has. Flights have been operated by Air Serbia since mid November

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    4. Cool. Thank you.

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    5. To my understanding the crew is all JU with JU aircraft operating the EY flight, with one EY arabic speaking crew member who not only does the arabic PA but also is Etihad PR on the flight. The EY crew member is not in JU uniform.

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  18. If this charter was Toronto to Belgrade I am sure the whole tone of this subject would be different.

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    1. And which is the whole tone of the subject? This is nothing, 4 frequencies per month, so we are talking about 16-17 frequencies if flights realize at all. This would be nothing to BEG as well, it can't give even 5 000 passengers to an airport. I am sure this will be canceled as it was with Swift Air,SkyService... If not, again it won't bring nothing to ZAG. These flights are just seasonal, and charters- once per week! How should that be important to BEG/ZAG?

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    2. It would be exactly the same if they announced BEG instead of ZAG. Anyone who closely watched developments over the last decade to link the region (ZAG, BEG, PRN) with North America understands why this model is not sustainable long term. Look at previous failures to better understand why it would not work. I wish them all the best but their brief announcement does not prove they will do things differently this time around. I would not hand over my cash to buy the ticket from any risky venture like this one.

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  19. Slovenia’s Ljubljana Airport (LJU) welcomed 84,507 passengers in November 2014, up 1.1 percent year-on-year. With some 1.3 million passengers.

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  20. OT: anyone knows what is MS's flight from Belgrade to Bangui via Cairo? it'll be parked on C6, so it's not cargo, so i wonder if anyone has any info

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    1. Da nije zamena mozda za let SM-a
      INN-NS

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    2. Where you see that?

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    3. Evo vam leti A332
      http://www.beg.aero/strana/7641/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B4-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%9A%D0%B0
      INN-NS

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    4. Ah, interesting, thank you INN ;)

      When it arrived, from where, anybody knows?

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    5. MS has no A330's in its fleet. What a strange flight.

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    6. It will be EgyptAir, they have the same code.

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    7. Kako nema kad ima 7 A332 i 4 A333 i jedan porucen glup pokusaj ismevati BEG.
      INN-NS

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    8. That is a beautiful bird, hope it doesn't gets too much dirt in BGF :D

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/EgyptAir_A330-200_SU-GCE_FRA_2013-09-01.png/1024px-EgyptAir_A330-200_SU-GCE_FRA_2013-09-01.png

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    9. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Bangui_City_Centre.jpg/1280px-Bangui_City_Centre.jpg

      The airport:

      http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Bangui_airport_2.jpg

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    10. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bangui_airport_1.jpg

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    11. Is it a commercial flight??!!
      I mean with passengers or some technical stop in BEG or wut?

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    12. It is a charter for Serbian UN peacekeeping forces.

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    13. Did anyone get a picture of the bird parked at BEG????? I'd love to see a passenger wide-body craft parked at the gates at BEG!

      NS|SAN

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  21. The livery reminds me of the old MAT Macedonian Airlines livery... funny how they copied it

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  22. Alexander,
    This has nothing to do with ASL and OU, but rather the two geographical markets helping each other establish an all year round route structure. At this point the nearby competitors arw by far too way ahead and won' t be sitting idle if and when they sense a threat by ASL. They've been in this business longer and trheir destinations have been long established etc. Too arrogant of Beg ro think it can pull the refional hub concept (depends on what the definition of rhe hub is...) by itself. In summer, direct flighrs to norrh america yes, all year round no. 40 minute stop over would be a small hassle but you would have all the planes filled up. What's 40 min mire on 7 or 8 hour flight...?

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    1. Too arrogant of Beg ro think it can pull the refional hub concept

      Aha... and why is it arrogant? They already have a mini hub so all they have to do is build up and voila. Once you have the basics the rest will come easily.

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    2. Landing charges for an a330 at Zagreb are 1331 euros. Landing charges for an ATR are 143 euros. A landing, 40 minutes of waiting, and a takeoff and return to cruise altitude for an A330 is measured in tens of thousands of euros, including costs such as additional crew costs, maintenance, fuel, etc.

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    3. What about BEG?

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    4. Ironically the landing at BEG is cheaper at 942 Euros for an A330 but together with ground handling it costs 2.610 Euros.

      It's half of that for emergency and technical landings.

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    5. http://www.beg.aero/admin_images/meni_doc/cenovnik-vip-i-salon-beograd-english_598958111905ccb.pdf

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    6. Well they HAVE to fly from BEG to North America, but the point is Air Serbia's additional stop in ZAG on it's way to North America would not make economic sense. It is cheaper to bring passengers from ZAG to BEG using ATRs. Things were different back when JAT was flying BEG-ZAG-JFK etc.

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    7. Actually it's about 5000 Euros in Zagreb, i don't know where you've seen those numbers Aleksandar Stojanovic.

      http://www.zagreb-airport.hr/Download.ashx?FileID=1288f524-6b51-41f6-8e83-9db9ea7839e9

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    8. @AnonymousDecember 11, 2014 at 2:58 AM

      Exactly.

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    9. Znaci jedan Poljak npr treba sa ASL da prodje pola Europe da bi stigao do ORD.
      Ta linija BEG-ZAG-ORD je ne isplativa zato sto steti ugledu ASL i karta bi bila dosta skuplja. A jako su retke kompanije koje lete za USA da prave stop over negde.
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  23. If this goes on Croatia Airlines will just be flying Domestic Flights . As pax will be flying direct to ZAG not anymore via via .At least from North America . Just one Quick question does anybody know if the incompetent Ceo Mr.Kucko is still in charge of Croatia Airlines.

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    1. If you bothered to read previous comments you'd have noticed the capacity of this 1pw seasonal connection is way too small to meet the summer demand, so there would be plenty of work for OU and its Star Alliance partners.

      And if you ever bother to browse the internet a bit, you are two clicks away of learning whether the OU CEO is still in charge or not. We live in the information age.

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    2. You correct Star partners nothing Croatia Airlines. Croatia Airlines is something between a international airline and a domestic airline
      So it isnt and will never be a big player in the airline business, it had it's chances but with this Ceo they lost them all .for example there is no serious buyer .

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  24. I would not be so quick to assume that ZAG would not lower their landing fees for these flights. There are also possiblities to get subsidized funds from the Croatian Tourist Board (HTZ) etc.
    If you all think that a market of 13 mil tourists, out of which 11,7 mil are foreigners (at least 400.000 from North America) are to be ignored... fine :)
    They will continue coming via European hubs (London, Paris, Frankfurt, Munich, Vienna, Madrid, Zuricj etc.) or will come directly to Croatia in summer...
    country of very good reputation, good image...

    Check the numbers for January - November (12,9 mil tourists). Btw Zagreb is the most visited ExYu city w/ the shitty current airport terminal.
    http://www.seebiz.eu/posezona-i-dalje-dobra-u-studenome-9-posto-vise-turistickih-dolazaka/ar-100809/

    Best of luck to ASL :)

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