Monday, May 11, 2015

Belgrade Airport anticipates transatlantic boom

Transatlantic flights expected to boost passenger numbers at Belgrade Airport

Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport foresees a strong surge in passenger numbers following the launch of transatlantic flights from the Serbian capital next year. The airport’s Director for Development and Investment, Ana Luković, says the ultimate goal is to make Belgrade a regional hub. "We have seen a real boom since the national flag carrier was transformed. We expect to see another boom once long haul flights start”, Ms. Luković says. Passenger growth slowed in April, with Belgrade Airport estimating its figures will increase 5% in 2015 compared to last year when it added over a million passengers, making it Europe’s second fastest growing capital city airport.

According to Ms. Luković, the airport will spend fifteen million euros of its own funds in expanding Terminal 2 by building eight new gates and a new departures area. On completion in mid-2016, the terminal will be prepared to cater for long haul flights. "We are close to the limit of our capacities at the moment", she says. "That's why we decided to start a short-term investment cycle". Another two million euros will be invested in overhauling Terminal 1 and three million on new de-icing equipment. "Once this investment cycle is completed we will expand capacity to 7 - 7.5 million passengers a year", Ms. Luković concludes.

Serbia and the United States are expected to finalise bureaucratic procedures by the end of the year, which will pave way for the launch of transatlantic flights from Belgrade in 2016, the Serbian Minister for Construction, Transport and Infrastructure, Zorana Mihajlović, said recently.A new Bilateral Air Service Agreement between the two countries will be signed tomorrow. "Then we have to go through certain procedures and I expect for us to have an agreement for flights to the US by the end of the year, in particular to New York. We will discuss other destinations as well with Air Serbia”, Ms. Mihajlović said. Air Serbia has made it no secret that it intends to launch flights to the United States sometime over the next year.

Air Serbia’s predecessor Jat Airways conducted a study in late 2005 based on which it estimated it could carry up to 83.000 passengers to New York and Toronto on an annual basis. Jat Airways anticipated an average load factor of 74% and believed the flights would appeal primarily to diaspora travellers as well as transfer passengers from the former Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, western Romania, southern Hungary and the Middle East. Jat Airways planned to launch transatlantic flights in 2006 but was unable to do so due to Serbia’s category two rating by the United States Federal Aviation Administration. The country managed to secure a category one status last year, which is a prerequisite for launching flights to the States. JAT Yugoslav Airlines carried several hundred thousand passengers on scheduled services to the US and Canada each year during the late 1980s. Its numbers peaked in 1988 when it carried 227.663 travellers, of which 181.620 were between Yugoslavia and the United States and the other 56.043 between Yugoslavia and Canada.

138 comments:

  1. So I guess the new extension will have four airbridges and four bus gates.

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    1. I think that's the plan. I'm most interested to see what they are going to do with T1.

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    2. 4 airbridges would cost more than 15 million euro.

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    3. No, the cost of 4 airbridges are not more then 15 million. It's less then 500.000 a piece.

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    4. Give me source for that price. That's way too low. Someone has price of Dubrovnik's airbridges?

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    5. According to Dubrovnik Airport, its two air bridges (still unused despite being installed months ago) cost 1.1 million euros.

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    6. Meanwhile, according to Belgrade Airport, its six new air bridges purchased in 2013 cost 2.1 million euros.

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    7. @ EX-YU, thank you admin. :) Anonymous May 11, 2015 at 6:33 PM And the math in your book is.....

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    8. Buy 2 get 1 free, when you spend 1.5mil or more - coupons add up!

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    9. Family pack of six airbridges at Costco are the same price as 4 airbridges at a regular airbridge store.

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  2. Prvo skoči pa reci hop...

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  3. Good luck BEG :)

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  4. Here we go again....old stories presented by a new person....when will we see some action instead of all these stories....a month ago it was the CEO and 17 million euro. Before him it was the Minister and 20 million euro....mid-May and one (1) tender has been presented.

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  5. Wishing best of luck to Air Serbia and Aerodrom Beograd on the proposed expansions for 2015 and 2016. Finally, things are moving in the right direction and foundations are being laid out for a regional hub system. Bravo!

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    1. Postovani Anon@ 10:19 AM.
      Potpuno se slazem sa vasim pogledom na daljni razvoj aerodroma Nikole Tesle. Medju tim do haba je jos daleko. Kao mnogo puta o gradnji veceg vazdusnog komercijalnog centra je nemoguce bez stranog investitora. Trenutna ulaganja od 15 ili 20 miliona evra je samo trenutno podizanje vrednosti aerodrome. Prava investicija je sest stotina miliona evra. Taj novac ce se investirati, ako drzava prihvati. Srbija nema tako snaznu grupu kompanija, a pojedinacno jos manje, za takav iznos. O finansijskoj snazi drzave nepotrebno jevgovoriti. Ali Srbiji je sigurno potreban veci hab za buduca vremena. O proslim je poznato. Privatizacija i investitor su neophodni. Sto skorije. ✈Rodney & Son. Sydney.✈✈✈

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  6. 15 mil euro for 8 gates is really cheap, compare that to 3 mil de-icing equipment which will probably be one new specialized truck and few parts of equipment

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    1. They are supposed to build a dedicated area for it, near the exit to RWY 12. I hope it will not be just one truck when it comes to equipment.

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  7. Four bus gates for RA and everything is fine for ABG.

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  8. Will there be any interest from Air Serbia to fly to Amman? JAT used to fly there and in the current situation in the ME, Amman is the main airport for many Syrians/Palestinians/Iraqis and it can be a perfect destination to pick up transit passengers going further to western Europe and hopefully to north America.

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    1. Let's face it, the whole Air Serbia network was shaped for transatlantic and long-haul flights and can't be profitable without those. So yes, i do believe they'll do everything possible for them to happen. Hopefully they keep BUD, numbers should go up once NA flights start. Also the 83.000 is a pretty modest estimate, i would put it a more than double.

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    2. Are there any special procedures in Amman or Beirut ( I think this is a big one also) now due to a large number of refugees (Syrian specifically) wanting to go to Western Europe? Keep politics and what is right and wrong completely away in this answer.

      I know that if a company by any chance transports lets say 20 refugee seeking pax to Germany it will be fined a lot. I dont know the procedure in other countries.

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    3. Z a AMM treba jos koji Airbus a ostlo nije problem .
      INN-NS

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    4. INN-NS.....
      Neka salju tvoj a330 na relaciji amman-new york i nece biti nikakvih problema...5 freedom.

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    5. @YYZ

      BEG seems to have a decent security check. Upon landing in BEG police always await the aircraft to check documents, before entering the secured gate area there is also a check of documents. At check in documents are checked as well.

      JU could step up their evening waves with CAI, AMM, IKA, ESB, GYD, TBS, EVN which could in turn feed the morning wave ex BEG. Having said that, MUC was something mentioned, as well as MAD or BCN.

      Going by the waves, N. American flights would either be in the morning 7am wave or 6pm evening wave. If they want to have regional connectivity they will need to increase some frequencies to SJJ, SKP, SOF, OTP and TIA. I did comment a month or 2 back with what a schedule could look like with a 6pm departure.

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    6. "JU could step up their evening waves with CAI, AMM, IKA, ESB, GYD, TBS, EVN which could in turn feed the morning wave ex BEG."

      Also some regional destinations should become night departures.

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    7. Following the current trend, midnight wave will be SJJ, TGD, TIV, SKP, SOF, OTP etc.

      SJJ is closed during the night so that wont happen.

      7am and 6pm is North and West, 2pm and 11pm is East and South.

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    8. "JU could step up their evening waves with CAI, AMM, IKA, ESB, GYD, TBS, EVN which could in turn feed the morning wave ex BEG."
      I completely agree with that statement! I think that AMM and IKA or CAI would be the best options to start with. Beirut is definitely in the same category as AMM and CAI and it has proven to be a excellent choice since as we have seen it has had a higher LF than LHR in the first fourth months of this year.

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    9. I agree with all of you: JU needs many more regional flights to be viable as a transfer option + BEG should really do something about security: current checks are annoying. Can't they separate incoming and outgoing passengers and do unified security checkpoint? Any chance of being able to transfer without going through passport check?
      JU doesn't have enough high yielding O&D to disregard convenience of business (and premium economy) class connecting passengers who would choose convenience of connecting in a bigger airport (VIE, AMS, LHR, FRA, ZRH) over small price reduction offered by JU...

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    10. There is no passport check when transfering.

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    11. There is a passport check for both transfer and Serbian pax. When you board a flight at every gate ASL ground crew check your documents. I went through this procedure last year with ASL 3 times, don't know if things have changed by now.

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    12. It's still the same. There is regular passport control, than passport check before security screening, and than (not always), when they scan your bording pass, just before boarding the plane.

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    13. This is simply an ID check to see if the name on the boarding pass matches the person trying to board the aircraft, not the actual police-staffed passport control. JU ground staff does this.

      Usually they mark or stamp boarding pass DOCS OK after going through this check prior to entering the gate area, and then only boarding pass is scanned before the actual boarding in order for the entire process to run smoother.

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    14. @SuisseOuest

      No need to pass passport control to transfer in BEG. Once leaving the arrival gate, if you have not received a boarding pass at the check in destination, you move over to the transfer desk to collect a boarding pass and head to the departure gate...just like in all other airports.

      @ YYZ, Coma

      Documents are checked by police at the arrival gate. Not sure what for, Im assuming to ensure all pax disembark with necessary documentation.

      Passport is checked at passport control points in both departures and arrivals, before entering the transit zone and upon leaving the transit zone like in all other airports. Passports and travel documents are also checked at the gate, also done at other airports (ie I had my passport checked before entering the gate area in DOH and DXB enroute to Australia). Boarding pass is scanned before the customer proceeds to the air bridge.

      Final security barrier is the cabin crew inspecting the boarding passes for date of travel, destination of travel as well as flight number to ensure all matches.

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    15. Documents are only sometimes checked at the arrival gate, I guess depending on origin - sometimes by the police (I guess this is to root out people discarding their documents in flight, possible asylum seekers, etc.), and sometimes by health inspectors (i.e. during the ebola outbreak, they were checking to see if pax is inbound from affected countries). However, in majority of cases, there won't be any checks at all.

      Also, I think they done away with cabin crew check at air bridge gates @BEG. At least this is my experience from yesterday.

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    16. ^^^

      I guess your right. I notice it every time i land from AUH. They checked boarding pass and passport. That must be one of their target destinations? Belgrade and Serbia is seeing alot of refugees coming from Syria, Africa and what I assume, Afghanistan.

      I dont think there is a procedure in Air Serbia like in many carriers where the boarding pass must be inspected before entering the ac. They just count the pax before closing doors to match the number provided on the PIL. My opinion, inspecting the boarding pass is better and easier. They just scan the boarding pass before entering the air bridge, tear off the larger part of the boarding pass and return back the smaller slip. This was a few days back. Is this what you meant?

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    17. Exactly right. But they still do it at outstations - in their own words, they had cases when local staff sends wrong people down the air bridge :)

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  9. It is beyond me how this airport had no problem in handling up to 3 DC10s at the same time and Qantas and CAAC B747 at C5 but has an issue now when there might be one A330.

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    1. I believe its not the gate/airbridge issue. Its separating incoming and outgoing passengers that they need to work on.

      Prior to September 11th events, that wasn't a huge issue, but now security and all that bull have transformed most airports around the world.
      Belgrade still mixes incoming and outgoing pax.

      Don't quote me but I think passenger separation is a requirement if you want to fly to US from that airport.

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    2. They are separated on ABG. You have security screening on every C gate like on separate wings on some European airports.

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    3. The wingspan on the DC10 is less than that of the A330. The issue in BEG is the tight spacing of gates means that 2 will be occupied to accomodate the aircraft. Also traffic was smaller then compared to now where its 5 million pax.

      SIN is an example that has the same system as BEG where security is at the gates and departing/arrival/transit is not seperated, yet has flights to the US

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    4. To nije problem za aviomostove na C izlazima.

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    5. A330 has a wingspan of 58.82m according to wiki.

      Gates C1-C10 can take ac with 36m wingspan (B737, A320, MD90)

      Gates C1A, C3A and C5A can take 60,30m wingspan (A330, B741, B742, B743, A342, B767, IL96, B787).

      C7A and C9A can take 65m wingspan (A343, B777, B744, A350).

      http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m517/trlababalan1/aerodrom/Capture_zpsueptdtir.png

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  10. So according to Ana Lukovic the airport won't be ready for long haul flights until MID 2016. Great.

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    1. She's telling stories for small children. In order to have 4 new airbridges, you need a building to hang them on. The design of the extension has not even started yet, then you need a project to be approved by the State, building permissions, you need a budget, you need to build, tenders.....nothing until 2017 earliest.

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    2. They do have a design and it's been released. Also tender for documentation for the expansion has been completed a month ago.

      http://www.beg.aero/lat/javne-nabavke/7671/izrada-tehnicke-dokumentacije-za-dogradnju-fingerskog-hodnika-c-jn-br-32015

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    3. Serbia and US have reached a principle agreement on bilateral back almost 6 months ago according to news published by Ex Yu Aviation back on Nov 28 last year. Zorana mentioned in March that agreement would be signed "in April" and then on March 28 she said "in the few weeks". It is not happening. Serbia is eager to start flights as soon as possible, so which side is delaying this process?

      ASL wanted to start in 2015, then late 2015, then early 2016 and with this additional delay Summer 2016 season is highly questionable. For that reason airport might not have to be ready before MID (or even late?) 2016.

      Reduced BEG growth estimate at 5% is a direct consequence of bilateral delay and consequent delay of transatlantic flights. One of (unintendend?) side effects will be delayed growth of ASL and more revenue for other transatlantic carriers.

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    4. Flights to USA and Canada will be only 4 to 5% passengers,

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    5. ..but transfer passengers would add numbers to regional flights, transatlantic would add more cargo capabilties/revenue and most importantly overall revenue would be much more than 4-5%

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    6. I do not see enough business class travelers across the pond. You do not earn money on flight to BEG if you are selling ticket to usa.

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    7. Inflation of number of airline fare classes will continue to help market segmentation. Economy plus, business minus, economy minus and 50 more shades of this spectrum, plus innovative ways to bundle, upgrade and sell those products will offset traditional business/economy model, esp within larger alliance.

      For example, Etihad FF's may be offered a stopover deal in Belgrade. Passengers who voluntarily enter (into future Air Serbia smartphone app) their preference for more legroom may receive special in-app offers to upgrade to seats with more legroom (row behind doors etc). Toronto family who are regular in economy may receive appealing targeted email offer to bid for upgrade to premium economy seats next time they go back to Serbia for a visit, etc.

      It will be up to Air Serbia to understand their market and fine tune their future longhaul cabin and products to overcome lack of traditional business class demand.

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  11. OT: Google flights shows Etihad 72 BEG - AUH (operated by Air Serbia) WiFi as active today.

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    1. This is not surprising because EY has inflight wifi. I doubt it will be active for some time on JU flights.

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    2. I think the surprise comes from the fact that although its an EY flight its operated by YU-APA aircraft.

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    3. Why is that a surprise? Air Serbia operates EY flights for quite a while. They should stop it in a month, when Etihad will start sending their planes on the route, which would set free one A319.

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    4. Did anyone even check that YU-APA doesn't have sat antenna hump? No wifi without it!

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    5. Only YU-APJ has it

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  12. Jos jednom se potvrdjuje izjava G Malog , i salje se 15-15 pilota na sim za A330.
    INN-NS

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  13. Skp April 2015 +3.9% - 109.741pax

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    1. stvarno šta je sa ovim našim Ex Yu aerodromima. Posle pomalo očekivanog slabog rasta BEG još gore je sa ZAG, i ostao je samo još SKP da pokaže kakav takav ozbiljniji rast, no sa sve wizzom samo 3.9.... da li je kriza toliko pogodila naše ljude da je popunjenost kabine na većini letova zapravo toliko opala?

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    2. ObedinetaMKD
      Da nece mozda W6 da stacionira jedan A321 ceo u SKP
      Hvala unapred :)
      INN-NS

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    3. ObedinetaMKD,
      I am not too familiar with the situation in Macedonia, I just know that there were a number of anti government protests and the attacks which happened 2 days ago.My question do you think this events will have any impact in the long run on the Skopje growth? Hopefully this will calm down in Macedonia, but what I am reading from newspapers in the region, things are not looking good.

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    4. INN-NS, mislim da nece, kako je jedan dobro upateni izvor informirao - rekao je da ce prvi A321 biti stacioniran u novembar u Budimpesta a vise info nema za ostale - mozda i ce ali za sad nema nisto od to :)))

      YYZ, yes its true we have isolated protests against the government, but it is an instruction from Soros and the opposition.
      The situation in Kumanovo decided yesterday morning and so far the authorities assured that it was an isolated incident mainly organized by terrorists from Kosovo.

      I am convinced that it will not directly affect the business and growth of aviation, and plans for further development

      *This is my view of how things look like now!

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      Sarajevo pax was up 11%, and had only 1% increase in flight operations :)

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  14. Reconstruction of that terminal is a real scandal. It has taken too long only for the change of tiles, lights, painting of the walls and adding glass to the platform side! And still nothing amazing has come from it, rather just OK and a brighter look. Its been 10 years!!!! Serbia being Serbia, I dont expect much to happen quickly. Sadly.

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    1. I agree, but politicians and directors have to keep talking in order to please the public and show them how hard working they are (they are not of course). The "reconstructed:" region of the terminal looks OK for now, but the area from A6-10 is catastrophic and I could not find anything to compare to that in Europe.

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    2. Ne moze nista tako brzo i ovde u INN su radili mali produzetak 6 meseci .
      INN-NS

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    3. INN-NS, I dont know about JATBEGMEL, but I was referring to the reconstruction which started 3-5 years ago and ended without renovating A6-10

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    4. YYZ and JATBEGMEN, +1. The worst part is that people doesn't seem to understand that this is a capacity issue.

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    5. ^^^

      Im talking about the time they started renovating the T2 departure hall, check in desks, passport/imigration, arrivals, baggage claim etc. This if I remember right started 2005? Even the renovation of gates A1-A6 took a very long time, progress was slow for the result.

      @ INN-SNS

      ofcourse it takes a whole decade to renovate 10 gates, and a small terminal. In the mean time Doha built a new airport (Hamad Intl), Dubai built 2 additional terminals (3&4), even Pyongyang opened a brand new terminal! And still, Terminal 1 is as good as in the 1970's and 1980's, and gates A7-A10 are a step back in time where it looks like they still havnt finished all works! Gates A7-A10 and that terminal are has buckets out in several places when it rains!!!! Welcome to Belgrade?

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    6. @JATBEGMEL

      You do have an obsession with North Korea, don't you?

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    7. ^^^

      all hail Kim Jong Vucic and the glorious prosperous nation of Serbia :D :)

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    8. +1 hahaha!

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    9. JATBEGMEL
      Ko ste vi da vredjate Premijera Srbije ili bilo kog clana vlada.
      Dovoljno vam govori ime zasto ga ne podnosite .
      INN-NS

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    10. ^ LOL INN-NS, I am really starting to think that you are programmed to repeat the following:
      1) ASL will start flights to USA, Canada, and China VERY SOON
      2) SNS and Vucic are saints
      3) ASL is best airline company ever, no complaining or else

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    11. Ja nisam Bot imam valjda pravo da branim ljude ko ja postujem iz razloga.
      A letovi pocinju u prvom kvartalu 2016 .
      INN-NS

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    12. @ INN-SNS

      This is an aviation blog, not a political one. I have a right as a citizen of Serbia to vote for whoever I like, as well as to criticize the wrong from our imperfect government. If democracy and freedom of speech is difficult to comprehend, move over to North Korea.

      Your comments daily troll this blog with indecent, rude and insensitive remarks which annoys and offends many bloggers.

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    13. JATBEGMEL
      Pa vi ste poceli prvi sa INN-SNS a jeste bili nekad u Narodnoj Republici Koreji kad je svaki dan spominjete i znate njihove zakone .
      Ja trollujem istinom o ASL .
      INN-NS

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    14. INN-NS dont you see JATBEGMEL is joking about North Korea

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    15. @ INN-SNS

      I didnt start with that first, nor did I start the massive revolt against you on this group several days ago. One doesnt need to study much to know a few things about North Korea.

      You dont talk much about the truth in Air Serbia. You either state the obvious or talk on a daily basis about A330, PEK, N America, pilots going for conversion besides other offensive and rude remarks to other bloggers. As many people have mentioned, learn some etiquette and manners. One would think they at least teach that in Austria, but your the example that the system has failed.

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    16. Poceli ste sa natpisom INN-SNS i tako potpalite ljude . Ja nikog ne vredjam prvi i imam kulturu .
      A takodje me ne zanima misljenje pojedinaca na ovom forumu o meni .
      A 330 dolazi u prvom kvartalu.
      A ja imam pravo da pisem po 1000 puta istu stvar dok nije uvreda.
      A zamolio bi Admina da obrise kao i danas ovo gde se Premijer sp0ominje kao Diktator.
      INN-NS

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    17. @ INN-SNS

      "Poceli ste sa natpisom INN-SNS i tako potpalite ljude"

      niti prvi, niti poslednji.

      "Ja nikog ne vredjam prvi i imam kulturu "

      vazi se. a kome varas?

      "A 330 dolazi u prvom kvartalu."

      jopet si krenuo. a koje godine, nisi naveo ovaj put.

      "A ja imam pravo da pisem po 1000 puta istu stvar dok nije uvreda. "

      tacno je, postoji pravo na slobodu govora, samo je zloupotrebljavas.

      "...gde se Premijer sp0ominje kao Diktator."

      niko danas nije spomenuo da je nas dragocenjen premijer diktator :)

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    18. all hail Kim Jong Vucic and the glorious prosperous nation of Serbia :D :)
      Svako ko ima gram mozga moze da protumaci ovo .
      U prvom kvartalu 2016
      A sta cemo sa ovim http://www.exyuaviation.com/p/serbia-and-us-sign-air-agreement.html .
      Tako da pricam istinu.
      INN-NS

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    19. @ INN-SNS

      "Svako ko ima gram mozga moze da protumaci ovo "

      a ti kao imas? blamiras se ovde na dnevnoj bazi.

      "U prvom kvartalu 2016"

      2001: http://www.my.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/481199/

      2003. godine nudjene i prodate su karte za YYZ i JNB. Tada je YU-AMB redovno leteo. Na kraju su obustavili sa otvaranjem gore navedene destinacije i putnici preusmereni preko druge gradove.

      2006: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/2653430/

      itd...

      "Tako da pricam istinu."

      kao sto si pricao za Peking?

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    20. Ja sam zapoceo sa INN-SNS tako da je JATBEGMEL potpuno nevin. Sve ostalo sto ti je rekao stoji, mali smesni partijski botu :)

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  15. This topic is so worn out..

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  16. Yawn....when it happens it will happen. Politicians try to make it look as if they are actually doing something.

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    1. Polar opposite of yawn, US approvals (from FAA Cat I to bilateral to DoT) are by far THE most dramatc part of Air Serbia (and to large extent Belgrade Airport) growth story. Looks calm on the surface and we have no idea what's happening underneath the surface (between two sides) but it's clear to see effects delays have on everything at Air Serbia. For example, fleet planning would have very likely be different if approvals were in place last year. So when fanboys ask "where are two more A319?!?", try to think and connect the dots back to this approval. Transatlantic flights would allow for more regional expansion, it would help turn the tide regarding other carriers vacuuming BEG passengers to their hubs, it would have an overall halo effect on Air Serbia image and it would grow revenue over time.

      Several politicans on the Serbian side, Air Serbia and Etihad CEO are all in favor of launching USA flights as soon as possible as documented many times on this site and other media, but I can't find any statement from the US State Dept being eager to see those services.

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    2. The late arrival of the A319 was a disaster that even continues today. A bit of poor planning IMO. Now they will remove ac one by one whilst they install wifi on all A320 family fleet and that in the heat of the summer season, which could and should of happened before they arrived in 2013/2014. Remember that YU-APD sat months in MUC as an example.

      Transatlantic operations will bring expansion if there is more ac to support it. Both A320 and ATR fleet is in shortage, the ATR more critical. Lets wait and see. Maybe 2016 leads to another big expansion.

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    3. "Transatlantic operations will bring expansion if there is more ac to support it"

      It's the opposite, JATBEGMEL. There's a lot of money left in the purse but JU management is reasonably frugal in how they invest. Once TATL ops are a go, some additional frequencies/routes and planes would be warranted, same for other investments.

      If that gold standard of aviation real estate (LHR slots - location, location, location!) opportunity opens up, I am willing to bet my last dirham JU/EY purse will have sufficient funds for that investment. So it's not about being just frugal, it's about know where and when to invest.

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    4. @ AirCEO

      JU is still reliant on government subsidies. Serbia isnt exactly Switzerland. Money could come from the UAE but at what cost.

      Alot of money could be wasted on the Trans Atlantic opps too. It will take many months before an airline sees profit from long haul, and Belgrade isnt a high yielding destination nor does it now have alot of higher yielding pax, meaning for JU it will be a harder battle to bring the flights to profitability. I have mixed feelings on these flights. I am curious as to the thoughts, ideas and suggestions being brought to the table at JU management regarding these opps.

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  17. YU-ALV (new ATR in the fleet) heading BEG.

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    1. YU-ALV is ASL727 right now

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    2. Poleteo iz Ažaksjoa

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    3. I didn't know it can fly all the way from Ajjacio to Belgrade, i guess empty it can.

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    4. Distance from Ajaccio to Belgrade is 984 kilometers, while ATR 72 - 500 has a range of 1450 kilometers, fully loaded. Which means - empty it would be able to fly beyond that.

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  18. OT Bosnian airports in April
    SJJ 63.064 +11,39% YTD 196.945 +13,21%
    TZL 17.311 +82,31% YTD 56.800 +80,23%
    OMO 6.680 +14,83% YTD 10.066 +27,35%
    BNX 2.090 +7,62% YTD 6.401 +0,29%
    http://flyingbosnian.blogspot.com/

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    1. So basically JU's passenger numbers in BNX grew by almost 8%. That's great given the reduced number of flights.

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    2. All local government flights are included in the total numbers, also BH Airlines flights as well, not only Air Serbia.

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    3. Yes but with JA falling apart i doubt they had many passengers.

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    4. Excellent news for Bosnian airports, way to go :)

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  19. According ti ASL Facebook page, Aviolet received permission ti fly Turkish charters

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    1. Correction, they received permission from Turkish authorities to fly charters to Turkey

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    2. Hmm.. Miša Brkić neće biti srećan.

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    3. Misa Brkic is the Turkish Trojan Horse within Serbia ... he's been on their payroll for the longest time ... Yeah, the fact that the Serbian govt is standing up to uphold the bilateral agreement currently in force b/w both countries, must be eating him alive ....

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    4. That's another victory for Kondic over the Turks ... Misa Brkic sure isn't going to like this

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    5. Sorry for my ignorance but who is Misa Brkic?

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    6. Onaj novinar onih novina sto citaju samo ne obrazovani ljudi i nemaju tiraz Pescanik
      Eto vidite da su ne bitni kad ih ni ne znate =D
      INN-NS

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    7. INN, to je portal a ne novine..

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    8. Nema veze i onako ne maju online tiraz.
      INN-NS

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    9. Nepismenost je takodje karakteristika neobrazovanosti INN. ;)

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  20. YU-ALV :)

    YU-ALV :)

    https://scontent-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/13487_1241484512544157_5327730567698014263_n.jpg?oh=612a8f502da101da47c35b0a99e97b47&oe=55D8E849

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    1. Another one:

      https://scontent-vie.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11000706_10153276448158826_3548579321304295290_n.jpg?oh=88baa93235dc0b229cd2e442a54bd782&oe=5608CEE3

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    2. Has anyone seen the interior of YU-ALV yet? Does it match the rest of the ATRs?

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    3. Interijer je isti nije se nesto naglo promenili osim sto je novi:)
      INN-NS

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  21. The transatlantic flight issue reminds me of the stories told over and over about IKEA, LIDL, Hilton Hotel.....I will believe it when the A330 touches down......

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    1. IKEA se otvara krajem sledeće godine, Lidl 2016. Hilton?! A330 početkom sledeće godine.

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    2. ^ most likely, but what the guy was trying to say is that our politicians have been talking about those things since 2007-8.

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  22. It seems that JU and A3 have entered into a codeshare agreement. I am seeing JU code being placed on Aegean flights between BEG and ATH (JU 8220)

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    1. Hmm, a kada si to video?

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    2. A3 has also placed it's code on JU afternoon flights between BEG and ATH: A3 1102/A3 1103

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  23. for the nth time, transatlantic flights. I do appreciate daily effort by ExYu, but this reminds me of the RTS1 news read: "such and such foreign politician supports Serbia's EU integration..."
    Sometimes, no news is good news.

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    1. Well, ExYu has a one article a day policy, and obviously former Yugoslavia is not such a vibrant market to produce worthy titles every day, so some get recycled over and over...

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    2. I'm sure the admin knows what people want to read most about. Look at the popular news column. This article is already up there and it's been online for less than a day. I found the historic info about JAT's transantl. flights quite interesting.

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  24. As promised a couple days back, I got a shot of YU-APJ at BEG. It had just landed from ARN as JU415.

    https://flic.kr/p/sr5bWH

    Also with me is a couple shots from a few days ago at BEG whilst travelling on JU800 for AUH.

    Departure board:
    https://flic.kr/p/sqXfVE

    YU-APB boarding at C2 for its flight as JU656 to SVO.
    https://flic.kr/p/sqXBV5

    Safety demonstration....aaaand push back for YU-API to AUH.
    https://flic.kr/p/sr4Ztx

    Laku noc, Beograde :)
    https://flic.kr/p/sqXuf5

    Dinner time
    https://flic.kr/p/sHwQ6a

    Junetina za mene ovaj put...Beef for me this time
    https://flic.kr/p/sqXqUY

    Good Morning, Abu Dhabi
    https://flic.kr/p/sqWgPd

    Small comment from my side. Crew were nothing short of fantastic. Professional, bubbly, happy to assist and polite. Check in has improved in Belgrade. Aircraft was clean and well presented. Catering was great. Service was consistent as to other trips I have had with them. Well done Air Serbia!

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    1. Thank you JATBEGMEL!

      For everyone to know, you can list his whole gallery where there are plenty of interesting photos :)

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    2. ^^^

      your welcome :) enjoy :)

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    3. Thanks man! Btw how many pax were there? From looking at the photo of the cabin I would say around 40-45 in Y.

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    4. Just over 30. Its the lowest I have ever seen the loads...

      J was supposed to be 0, but last minute 2 checked in and J class catering delivered to ac during boarding.

      btw AUH does see quite a decent amount of transit traffic. Noticed LJU, WAW, CPH, ARN, SJJ, OTP and FCO is something I see quite often.

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    5. Anyhow with those loads in April/May period I see the route being suspended. I even think the route did better when it started. If I remember correctly, a month ago you said that on the outbound flight there were like 50 pax in Y which is still catastrophic.

      I say BUD, AUH, WAW, and TLV are all on the cutting board.

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  25. Sorry for the OT but I have a question. Does anyone know what was the fate of JAT's DC-10s. Where were they during embargo, what were they used after, when were they retired etc. I've been trying to find some info only but had no luck. Thank you in advance.

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    1. You can find some fleet history here:

      http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/search.php?manufacturer=McDonnell-Douglas&type=DC-10&fleet=6459&fleetStatus=all

      From my understanding, all were leased for different durations except for YU-AMB, which was owned. This plane was delivered in '79 and served until it was sold to a scrapper in '05.

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    2. Thank you Aleksandre. Do you know what was it doing during sanctions? Just parked at BEG aprin somewhare?Also, the leased ones, were they repossessed in 92 or they left the flee5 wven before? Thank you.

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    3. Sometimes flew BEG-TIV. I flew it once, it was hilarious in TIV.

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  26. Hey ExYu - 181+56=237 not 227 ...

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