Monday, August 31, 2015

Air Serbia to decide on long haul future on Sept. 17

Air Serbia to finalise transatlantic operations

Air Serbia is expected to finalise its long haul transatlantic flight plans in just over two weeks time. According to the "Večernje Novosti" daily, the carrier's governing bodies will meet on September 17, when they are to make a decision on services to the United States. The Serbian government has earmarked New York as the airline's first long haul destination. However, it has also conceded that transatlantic flights are unlikely to generate profits in the first two years. "Afterwards these flights will be extremely profitable for our airline", Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić said recently. Services are expected to start in the first half of 2016, although the airline is yet to issue any official comment. There has been strong pressure from the state, as a majority shareholder, for the flights to begin.

Aviation authorities from the United States will perform their final checks on Serbia’s readiness to handle transatlantic flights this September. They will evaluate Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport as the point of origin for future long haul services. Mr Vučić said there are some concerns over the airport's ability to handle these flights, primarily in regards to quick baggage transfer. Air Serbia recently requested a foreign air carrier permit from the United States that, if granted, would enable the airline to provide scheduled and charter foreign air transportation of persons, property and mail on any and all routes authorised pursuant to the new US - Serbia Open Skies Agreement. In its application, the airline says it will first provide services to the United States through a codeshare agreement with Air Berlin via Germany, and could eventually offer its own flights. The United States Department of Transport is yet to make a decision on the permit request.

According to the Serbian government, an Airbus A330-200 will be leased for flights to the United States, at a cost of 500.000 USD per month. Last September, the President and CEO of Etihad Airways and Vice Chairman of Air Serbia, James Hogan, said the jet could be transferred to the Serbian airline from the Etihad Airways group. "Once flights begin, the Airbus A330 will be used. Etihad has the type in its fleet and it can be transferred to Air Serbia", Mr Hogan said. Similarly, Etihad initially sub wet-leased one of its A330s to Air Seychelles in 2012 in order for it to commence flights from the island to Paris. Through the arrangement, the Abu Dhabi-based airline provided its partner with crew and maintenance for the aircraft, while the lessor took the responsibility for supplying and operating the jet. Eventually, the deal was modified to a dry lease with Air Seychelles operating the aircraft with its own crew.


133 comments:

  1. I am seriously getting bored of all this North American flight discussions. Either do it, or don't do it.
    Vucic should also learn that he has no place in openly discussing airline's plans for long-haul.

    If JU management has any sense of reason they will drop these plans and work on actually building a strong European network. I am sorry but 4 flights per week to CPH, ARN, STR... is weak and a far cry from being a serious airline, especially with a split schedule.

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    1. Don't you think long-haul flights would be a boon for their European network, due to an increase in the number of transit passengers?

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    2. Maybe only for their Balkan ones which are doing ok as it is. They need also at least double daily regional flights so as to make NA flights a reality.

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    3. @11:54
      No one is going to fly from North America to central, northern or western Europe through BEG.
      JU needs a strong network in the Balkans, the rest of the ex-Yu, Greece, Turkey, Middle East, Cyprus, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia to feed it's North American flights.
      It has to build that first and then start JFK and whatever else. Not the other way around.
      You don't start building a house from the roof.

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    4. You do... if you live in the Balkans.

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    5. Smesno ljudi lete preko Turkisa i Aeroflota za Ameriku iz Evrope nece neko preko Beograda ako mu odgovara cena. Odakle ste posisali toliko znanje.

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    6. No one is flying from North America to central, northern or western Europe through IST.
      TK flies people from the Balkans, the Caucasus, the Middle East, India/Pakistan and East Africa to North America.
      Not Italians, Austrians, Germans or Swiss. It is a huge backtrack and uneconomical to do so.
      Simple?

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    7. Tell that to the Italians and Germans on Turkish. Simple?

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    8. Serbian state should be absolutely involved, like are you for real? If I own 51% of something I want to make sure that I am involved and make decisions.. Some people here should not make any comments as they seem ridicules .

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    9. Hot Lane,

      1. You are an idealist.
      2. You are naive.
      3. You don't live in Serbia.
      4. You are a bot.

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    10. @5:32
      There are no Italians or Germans flying from Rome,Milan, Munch or Frankfurt to North America via IST.
      Italians and Germans are using TK to fly from Europe to Middle East, Asia , East Africa.
      Simple enough for you?

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    11. When the prices are competitive (and they often are), you bet there are Italians or Germans flying from their countries to North America via IST. You would be surprised how consumers are willing to sacrifice 4-5 hours in order to save 200-300 bucks. Yes, it is that simple.

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    12. An airline that does this LOOSES money.
      It can do this because it has many other passengers paying business class fares and full price economy.
      So no, Germans are not flying with Turkish to New York through Istanbul.
      They have many, many other options.
      Air Serbia of course can offer really cheap fares, cheaper than any other European and American airline to fill it's planes.
      passengers will thank them for it.
      The airline will go bankrupt.
      Simple as this.

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    13. I think the word you are looking for is "lose" ... What is 'loose' however, is your competency in English ....

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    14. What is realy loose is your comprehension of basic airline economics and the market in witch JU operates.
      Oh yes, basic geography too!

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    15. Last anon, you are so bitter and rude and you can't argue without insulting other people on here. You should be ashamed of yourself. People might have to tolerate you at work but not here. See you tomorrow. ;)

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    16. Anon 7:45,

      Do you have any proof for your claims or we are supposed to believe your supreme authority?

      It is not a shame not to know certain things. You want to know some interesting details about passengers who transit via IST? - feel free to ask. If you prefer to remain ignorant and uneducated that's fine too but you should not lecture others then.

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  2. +1, as always decisions in Serbia is not being done with business reasons but for politics.

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  3. so that we don't get too serious or upset, as these news are becoming not so "new" anymore....I suggest that ASL gets one A330 from each of those "partner" airlines above and give it a go! lol

    "pa kud puklo da puklo" :)))

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    1. sorry, I just realize that would leave Seychelles with no 330s....but then they can go an get one from other "partners" :))

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    2. HAHAHAHHAAH great comment! :D
      Seychelles is a no go because their A332 is already taken by EY. :P

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    3. Jeleaousy, jealously...when is OU going long-haul (or it's going to the ground)?

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    4. I don't think anyone is jealous of the Serbian tax payers who will have to pay for another publicity show that politicians and not managers decided.

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    5. @10:04
      We don't need a tutor to take care of Serbian tax-payers. Thanks so much for your precious care!

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    6. Anonymous 10:01 AM, looking at standard in Serbia, who could be jealous?

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    7. @10:08
      You shouldn't get upset when you realize that people are not at all jealous of the way your government treats you.

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    8. I don't know about the "standard in Serbia", but working for a major international company, I am significantly better off than my colleagues from Zagreb and Ljubljana, who have marginally higher salaries and much higher living costs.

      Statistics are very dangerous, my friend.

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    9. http://www.b92.net/mobilni/eng/index.php?nav_id=95275

      Such a drain on taxpayers!

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    10. @AnonymousAugust 31, 2015 at 11:57 AM

      Marginally higher pays in Zagreb and Ljubljana ?

      Avrage pay in Croatia is around EUR750~ NET and 1100Gross, in Serbia average is around EUR400~ Gross. I wouldn't call that marginal costs, and when you refer much higher living costs than I presume you refer to rent and going out, for living costs are almost identical, food in Croatia is only slightly higher than in Serbia.

      Croatian unemployment rate is at 17%, Serbia 33%, I think majority of Serbs have no illusions how their country is doing, clearly you don't.


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    11. @AnonymousAugust 31, 2015 at 2:50 AM

      False information again:
      Average pay in Serbia net 380e gross 520
      http://webrzs.stat.gov.rs/WebSite/repository/documents/00/01/83/35/zp11082015.pdf
      Unemployment in Serbia 17.9%
      http://webrzs.stat.gov.rs/WebSite/repository/documents/00/01/84/19/RS10_232_srb-II_kvartal_2015.pdf

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    12. GDP per capita in Croatia 13,494$
      GDP per capita in Slovenia 24,019$
      GDP per capita in Serbia 6,123$
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29_per_capita

      I don't think there is much debate...

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    13. It still doesn’t mean that
      @AnonymousAugust 31, 2015 at 2:50 AM
      told the truth

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    14. GDP in Ethiopia is one of the lowest in the world. Etiopian is one of the most profitable airline in the world for its size. Stop your nonsense.

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    15. Poštovana gospodo iz HR, znate i sami da u HR baš ne cvetaju ruže kao ni u SRB. I vašu i našu zemlju kao i ceo region napustaju mladi ljudi. Svakom svaku sreću želim, a zluradim ljudima da malo više gledaju svoje okruženje i ne gledaju u tudje dvorište i glume zabrinutost.

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    16. Ethiopia is a country of 95 million, has one of the fastest-growing economies in the world and is Africa’s second most populous country.
      Many millions of Ethiopians are not poor at all and it also serves a diaspora of many millions all over Europe and North America.

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    17. Because of greater standard of living in Croatia this year more Serbs will see sea resorts than Croats. What they did is hard to believe.

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    18. Nice wikipedia facts about Ethiopia, but none of them explains why is airline profitable for years: it's a well run company with a solid plan. Many transfer pax as well. Just shows that GDP-poor Serbia can also have a shot at profitable airline based on a sound plan and good management. High GDP is nice but not the sliver bullet for all airline troubles. Remember Swissair, gold standard airline from one of the highest GDP countries in the world and couple of horrible management errors? Time to stop talking about GDP and Air Serbia in one sentence.

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    19. Anonymous @2:50 PM

      I was talking about my own company, not the whole country. High-profile jobs in Croatia and Slovenia pay only marginally better than the same jobs in Serbia, whereas rent and bills are up to 100% higher than in Belgrade. I didn't say it applies to everyone and everything.

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  4. The government also proposed for JU's business class to be named Beograd na nebu. I think it would be a great move.

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    1. Seriously? Mooahh!

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    2. I think it sounds nice.

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  5. "Afterwards these flights will be extremely profitable for our airline" - kaze kristalna kugla i tarot

    Sta ovaj Vucko sve predvidi

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    1. The funny thing is that when he refers to the airline as our airline, I am certain he means our as in SNS' rather than the Serbian airline. :P

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    2. I think its best we bring back "Milan the tarot" guy and ask him what he predicts. It's the safest bet of all! :))

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    3. Or we could just wait for 17 September and hear about it.

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    4. On 17 September we will hear more political propaganda that will have little to do with the actual economics and potential for profitability of that flight.

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    5. i wish ASL starts next year, but if you read the news, all you hear are comments from politicians - and very few from the airline it self.

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    6. So wait... If they are going to make a huge loss for the first two years, when are they expected to break even? 2020? And how can they be certain that flights will be profitable after two years? Who can say if they will ever be profitable?

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    7. So, according to you, what should Air Serbia do?

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    8. Air Serbia should drop any plans for long-haul flying and should concentrate on its Euro-Mediterranean network. The sad thing is that the president of JU board is Sinisa Mali which means that even the board was stained with the political virus.

      It's the government that should be covering the losses of these long-haul flights because they are the only ones who want them asap.

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    9. Don't forget that Etihad earns/loses money just as much as the government, so worry you not they'll take care for those to happen and to happen well.

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    10. The last comment makes little sense... I don't understand what you are trying to say? That Etihad will cover the losses of the long-haul flying? Because they won't.

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    11. EY owns 49% of JU and therefore 49% of any loss they make. It's quite basic, really.

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    12. Too basic for him i guess.

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    13. @11:59
      EY will make for the lose through JU leasing the plan from them

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  6. The more Vucic or any other politician talks about it the more it looks like a publicity show for the elections.
    And it makes less and less business sense.

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  7. I think it is wrong to assume that the aircraft used will be an A330-200 type. The configuration of the current type in most partner's fleets doesn't exactly fits Air Serbia's needs, except for Etihad and Air Berlin (mod's graphic display wrong data). As for now i wouldn't discard the A330-300 just yet. Concerning the long-haul destinations, i do see PVG eventually as a priority over North American routes yet, that is hardly possible with a single aircraft fleet and if the alliance policy's is to funnel those pax via AUH.

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    1. I'm sure Vucic wouldn't be able to recognize the difference between the A332 and A333. Hogan was more careful in that regard and simply said A330 type.

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  8. ust flew from BEG to AMS this morning, over 95% LF, 3 in biz class. Must have been anout 30-40 pax heading to N. America. I'm wondering how direct flights to JFK, ORD & YYZ will affect loads to AMS & CDG.

    -- Charlie

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    1. Not much. LH has lowest price for USA not AF/KLM. Air Serbia can not compete with price whatever big brains from this blog wrote.

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    2. Good point. I also meant on AS flights to AMS & CDG. What will the LF be on those flights when direct overseas flights commence?

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    3. KL just had a sale where they were selling JFK for as little as €370! Given that JU tends to be expensive for point to point trips, I don't see how they can compete with that. Especially as they plan on having a single widebody, which means that they can't operate more than 2/3 weekly rotations.

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    4. Hardly anyone can compete with that price but that does not mean only KL should fly transatlantic.

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    5. What makes you think KL ain't loosing money with that price? Aren't you worried about Dutch taxpayers?

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    6. KL is most definitely making money because they are ripping JU off on the BEG-AMS-BEG sector. Fares are something like €7 per segment.

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    7. AF/KLM is in big debt. They are not worried about Dutch/France taxpayers. They can always put AF/KLM on sale to MEC.

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    8. It's late August and a week before the school starts. Every NA bound flight is booked through the roof

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    9. Both AF and KL operate in markets which generate a healthy amount of lucrative O&D which will always make them interesting for potential investors. Plus, at this point it has become obvious that both of them are too big/important to fail.

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    10. Yes with staggering debt.

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    11. The bottom line is that they can get out of it, their risk of failing is non-existent.

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    12. Yes same for Swissair, Austrian A., Sabena, Malev,etc.

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    13. Both Swiss and Austrian are still around one way or another, same for Sabena.
      Malev was not too big to fail.

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    14. Austrian did not fail, it was merely sold to LH. Look at all the things the EU allowed just to save AZ, or even SK.

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    15. Stop spreading bullshit all new companies started from scratch of previous. Swiss emerged from Crossair, kept 3 years on artificial lungs till LH bought it. Today Austrian is from Tyrolean. It is not only Balkan problem profit in airline business.

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    16. There is only one word Air Serbia needs to be concerned about: winter. There is enough demand for both O&D and transfer in the summer to make money even with daily service. Winter will be the real challenge. Will they go with reduced schedule or deploy A330 elsewhere, same dilemma as with narrowbodies? Then add Aviolet question after 737 retirement: will they stay in the charter business and what will they do with those planes in the winter? Winter is the key.

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    17. Reduced schedule good LF.

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    18. Not necessarily. Reduced schedule means reduced connectivity and reduced competitiveness.

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    19. Yes they target business people. Ridiculous. Connectivity is not affected if they get decent slot and good partner in USA and Canada. Otherwise they are doomed.

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    20. Reduced schedule for winter is a safe choice but kills utilization, see LOT for example. Good LF as a result is not a given, too many below 50% LF TATL planes in February.

      How about other options to keep both utilization and LF high? For example, Czech airline Travel Service/SmartWings uses planes from Canada's Sunwing for intra Europe summer charters, then takes stickers off and returns those 737 to Sunwing for busy winter season between Canada and the Caribbean. Are there opportunities within Etihad family that would see ASL A330 deployed in a more lucrative way during winter?

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    21. @AnonymousAugust 31, 2015 at 11:30 AM
      You say that LH has the lowest price to the USA, but that's simply not true. I was just checking prices for my annual trip to SoCal and both QR and EY are cheapest by far in J class. TK is slightly more expdnsive, but I'm not too fond of their B773ER layout, yet the 16.5 hours flight from the Gulf is also not appealing. Anyway, LH is almost 50% more expensive so your statement might be true for Economy, but definitely not for Business class. The point being, that's where .oney is made on long-haul flights and AS might attract a significant amount of pax if priced right.

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  9. Beograd na Vodi (poruka je u imenu)August 31, 2015 at 11:33 AM

    Trla baba lan...

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    1. E, ovo je o vazduhu.. promašio si forum mornaru.

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  10. Evo ga negativac,sedi za kompjuterom i sve vesti su mu trla baba lan..e moj prijatelju jadan si mi ti,tesko je verovatno ziveti u tvom umu,tako si tezak i sam sebi,mogu da mislim kako ti je,do podne mrzis sebe a od podne ceo svet..zalim te

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    1. Pa naravno, ko jos veruje politicarima u Srbiji?

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    2. Posle zarez ide razmak.

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    3. N.Y.?! - Tek kada se uspostavi Prishtina 2x dnevno! ...

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  11. Air Serbia results for August : passenger operations +9,5% yoy, passengers 320k, +7% yoy.

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  12. Umjesto da se bavi poslovima premijera, Vučić uporno u medijima plasira nekakve svoje izjave o poslovanju Aero Srbije. Može li taj čovjek da shvati da ta kompanija ima svoju upravu?

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    1. Ja mislim da bi te trebalo više interesirati što radi Milanović.

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  13. Air Serbia je ipak dovela kompaniju na bolju poziciju nego Jat Airways. Naravno postoje i dalje sigurno veliki problemi koje treba resavati! Ali za kratko vreme, unapredili svoju flotu, zaposlili dosta kompententnog osoblja, uveli dosta nove stvare, unapredili internet prezentaciju uveli online chekin i tacniji su u poletanju nego pre par godina! Tako da zelim svakoj ex yu kompaniji takodje takav napredak! Poz

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    1. Не схватам сврху твог коментара. Да ли је ико тврдио да је Јат био бољи? Свако иоле образован зна да не треба поредити Јат и Ер Србију јер су то две потпуно различите авио-компаније.
      Јат је могао да се пореди са Ер Булгаријом и осталим етничким компанијама. Ер Србија је прешла у другу лигу што значи да они себе морају поредити са Лотом, Еџианом, Пегазом...

      Исто као што Београд не треба поредити са Загребом и Дубровником већ са Атином, Бечом и Варшавом, исто тако не треба поредити Ер Србију са Јатом или чак са Кроацијаном.

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    2. Kako si ti zao covek.

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    3. Ostavite vise Jat na miru.

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    4. @nemjee (nisam pisac posta) Ne razumem zašto ne uporedjivati ASL i Jat?! To je zapravo jedino pravo poredjenje po svim parametrima. Sa ostalim poredjenjima kompanija i aerodroma se slazem sa tobom.

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    5. @1:47 zasto bi? Svedoci smo ogromne mržnje prema jednoj aviokompaniji i to uglavnom od strane ex Jatovaca i politikom ostrašćenih ljudi.

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    6. AnonymousAugust 31, 2015 at 4:30 PM

      Зато што су Јат и Ер Србија јако различите фирме. Јат је примарно превозио локалне путнике и по неког трансферног.
      Са друге стране, Ер Србија је базирала сво своје пословање на претварање Београда у право чвориште што значи да је њен бизнис модел знатно захтевнији и компликованији.

      Јат је полако али сигурно умирао. Његово преживљавање се сводило на то да му гастербајтери остану верни те није било потребе да се оптерећују програмом лојалности, интернет чекина и тако даље. Важно је да су били великодушни са пртљагом, да су имали ок ред летења и тако даље.

      Ер Србија је одступила од овог модела и самим тим морамо другачије да је анализирамо. Од ње се очекује много више него од Јата. Из тог разлога она мора да се пореди са компанијама које играју и истој лиги и које су јој директан конкурент.

      Наравно, увек можемо да повучемо паралелу о томе где смо били и где смо данас. Важно је схватити да Јат никада није циљао да постане доминантан ван граница Србије док Ер Србија тежи томе. Једноставно то су била два различита света и као таква не можемо их директно упоређивати.

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    7. Koristi onda pravo ime Jat Airways ne Jat.

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    8. Зашто? Свима је познато да када неко напише Јат да се мисли на Јат Airways исто као што сви знамо да се ЈАТ односи на JAT Yugoslav Airlines.

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    9. AnonymousAugust 31, 2015 at 5:04 PM

      Koja je svrha tvog komentara? Cista malicioznost.

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    10. JAT Jugoslovenski Aerotransport sto nije isti prevod kao YU Airlines. To nikada nije bila pravilno izvedena skracenica.

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    11. I am agree with nemjee. Air Srbija should look to the future, not the past.

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    12. @ anonymous 5,19pm

      http://www.airliners.net/photo/JAT---Yugoslav/McDonnell-Douglas-DC-10-30/1773909/&sid=bd4c2d9946f5735e9ea95fa162dc5bc6

      http://www.airliners.net/photo/JAT---Yugoslav/McDonnell-Douglas-DC-9-32/1649532/&sid=697672cbfe1de12763f82a30f95005bb

      http://www.airliners.net/photo/JAT---Yugoslav/McDonnell-Douglas-DC-10-30/0334410/&sid=bd4c2d9946f5735e9ea95fa162dc5bc6

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    13. Sta ti glumis budalu? Na drugoj strani aviona je uvek pisalo JAT JUGOSLOVENSKI AEROTRANSPORT. Proveri malo.

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  14. Naravno da ce vesti biti pozitivne i jedva cekam da se objave .
    A najvise me zanima ko ce biti cs partneri u Kanadi.
    INN-NS

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    1. Ja bi voleo da to bude Air Kanada, ko bi jos mogao tu da dodje? Westjet...Transat? Tesko... Nema puno izbora

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    2. Ja radim sa WestJet u YYZ I bice WestJet posto vec preuzimamo sve putnike sa CDG/AMS/FCO conekcije AirSerbia. Mogu vam I potvrditi da upravo teku razgovori AirSrbije I WestJet I da ce se kod-share ugovor objaviti vrlo uskoro.

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    3. Da vidimo dali ce biti tako ja znam sve osim CS partnera .
      INN-NS

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    4. AC saradjuju sa EY, jedini razlog da ne saradjuju sa JU su moguci planovi da AC Rouge jednog dana leti za DBV i/ili ZAG. Steta, WS je odlican partner ali sam navijao za AC. To nazalost znaci da ce JU u YYZ dobiti stari terminal T3.

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    5. Not sure where the source of your information is from, but AC is currently working with JU via a special prorate agreement, which by the way, has been extremely successful this summer season. Check with any agent in Canada selling tkts to Belgrade, who will confirm this for you ....

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  15. @11:59
    EY will make for the lose through JU leasing the plan from them.

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    1. Dude, take my advice and stick to any language other English - PLEASE ! You will do all of us a favour ...

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  16. Izuzev ljudi po novinama i blogovima koji delimicno osporavaju aspiraciju, nameru Srbije da uspostavi prekomorski saobracaj, elobirajuci da ''nemoze'' da opstane Air Serbia, do toga da ce kostati poreske obaveznike... I drugih strepnji , straha za neuspeh... Svaki pocetak jeste tezak. Americko i Kanadsko trziste jeste taff. Kao i sami promoteri letova sto izjavljuju, nece biti profita u prvoj godini letenja. Da nece biti lako ,,klati'' se sa kompanijama koje su direktni ili indirektno prevozili putnike sa prostora jugo istocne Evrope. Pogotovo sto je neprestalna vidljiva i nevidljiva bitka za svakog putnika, za svaki gram kargo tereta... To je zakon profita, zakon opstanka i principa ekonomskog poslovanja. Bez obzira koliko god tvrdili da je ovde trziste beznacajno... Princip je princip. Svaki putnik jeste veoma dragocen. Kapacitet i sposobnost Er Srbije jeste neupitno. Ljudi u kompaniji Know How. Uz sve dilove koj ce biti imlementirani u skorijem vremenu, Srpskoj avio kompaniji ce biti potrebno bar godinu dana uhodavanja... Uglavnom parametri, okolnosti su poznati. Avioni i ostalo sto sa time ide je uglavnom vise tehnicke prirode. Trziste, ljudi operativnost su drugaciji, poredeci sa onim od prije 25 i vise godina. Za pocetak unapred dajem za sposobnost Er Srbiji cetiri poena od mogucih pet. Ne ni najmanje ne sumnjam u menadjment i ljude Er Srbije, za startovanje trans Atlanskog saobracaja. Kaptivacie trzista i ostalim povezanim sa tom materijom. Sta ce mi reci ''opozicija'' na blogu, pa Boze moj. Valjda prezivecu, videcemo. Vreme za AIR SERBIA tek dolazi. Za Rodney-a ima vremena do marta. Uzletece i on prema jugo istoku. Ako Bog da. Uz pozdrav. Pored aerodroma ✈MORAVA✈ Rodney KVO✈SYD😊.

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    1. Dobro si rekao, imaju uskustva od starog Jata i to će im pomoči za nove avanture.

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  17. Wouldn't it be about time for a second runway?

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    1. Are you serious? A second runaway? Do you know what is the coast? Do you know what is the capacity of 1 runaway? BEG needs ages before filling the capacity of the current runway...

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  18. hope they decide by 17 sep and quit talking about it.

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  19. Amazing the amount of 'expert' comments on something nobody has an idea about. There has been no official comment from JU other than a word of intent for the future. There has been no official word of a lease of the aircraft happening, how many aircraft, how the flights will be staffed, how many frequencies and to which destinations, nor is there a timetable. Nothing.

    Vucic has said many things just as the previous leaders have, just as the opposition parties too, and we all know what comes from all this.

    Who knows what is installed next. JU grew fast in the first round of expansion with LJU, WAW, BEY, AUH, PRG, BUD, OTP, SOF, with VAR operating seasonal, TIA and ZAG following. There is intension to operate to PRN and talks have been underway to make this happen. JU can surprise us with another round big expansion announcement or just remain with minor changes.

    Lets wait and see what JU has to announce.

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    1. Sound and balanced comment .....

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  20. OT: Qatar is again sending A330 to Belgrade tomorrow. Are they going to get dual airbridges one more time? Would be great to see pics from the port side, posted pics from first visit were starboard only (no airbridges visible). It will be hot but won't be cloudy as the last time, spotters should be able to make better pictures!

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    1. beg.aero has it listed for C1A.

      An A330 can be boarded and deboarded using 1 bridge from L1 or L2 doors. Also they could connect C2 bridge to L1 door and C1 bridge to L2 door.

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  21. Air Serbia fanboys - where oh where art thou today ??

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  22. Everybody keeps focusing on Air Serbia with these USA flights. What about Belgrade airport ? Are they ready ? No discussion has ever taken place on their ability to handle these flights if they ever see the light of day.

    Someone recently made mention of the terrible baggage handling system. They are unable to cope with the current level of traffic at the airport. How on Earth are they going to handle connecting flights and transfer baggage with these services ?

    Air Serbia are in for huge problems if this isn't addressed

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    1. Actually there has been a lot of discussion about it in Belgrade Airport-related articles.

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    2. Baggage sorting is one of many problems BEG has, and as I have many times said, BEG is a limiting factor to JU.

      - Baggage sorting
      - Cleanliness
      - Lack of food outlets
      - Current shops and cafes are not open for all waves
      - no smoking area
      - poor signage (departure board too small ex at the transfer are by A1), mixture of cyrilic and latin alphabets and names of destinations not fitting the screens at gates
      - arrivals hall is overcrowded and poorly managed
      - illegal taxi drivers run to anyone and everyone exiting the customs and into the arrivals hall
      - Entrances and exits from the terminal are of a disgusting third world standard

      Quite a few things above can be solved quickly and with little cost, however is left as is for years. This is not to mention other things which seem would be luxury to have such as:

      - exchange office in the transit zone
      - travellators
      - pharmacy
      - water fountains/coolers at gates

      Having said that, there are 27 parking positions for aircraft on the A, B and C stands however this number is reduced when a widebody uses the stands as we see and will see tomorrow (eg: QR will block C1 and C2 stands - C1A). Widebodies have longer/double turnaround times which may be an issue for JU and other airlines when the time comes, which could be soon.

      BEG lacks a proper a stratergy and a proper investment plan. Everything seems just short term and a quick fix solution. Its great the terminals got fresh paint, new tiles and a public wifi connection, but that isn't really the solution either.

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    3. But how can that be ? They have THE best manager in the Balkans running the airport ..... He was recently afforded this accolade, so how is it possible that a business with the best manager in the entire region, is unable to solve such simple problems ?

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    4. They are aware of the baggage issue. Priorities at the airport are on transit passengers and then on O&D.

      Noticed couple of media reports about "new terminal" when talking about C concourse extension project. It's not a (third) terminal!

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  23. vau, 140 komentara koji se na kraju svedu na: Hoće/Neće

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  24. When the f.... politicians will shut-up and will stop talking about stuff they have no idea about??? This is serious business not circus. Better Vucic to focus on the elections and to stop using ASL for PR purposes.

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