Wednesday, March 8, 2017

Air Serbia Croatia expansion unlikely over row


The resumption of flights between Belgrade and Zadar after more than two decades is unlikely to occur this year due to an ongoing regulatory dispute between Air Serbia and the Croatian Civil Aviation Agency (CCAA). Zadar Airport's General Manager, Irena Ćosić, told the "Zadarski list" daily, "There is a lot of talk of Air Serbia's arrival in Zadar. The Serbian carrier flies to all major airports in Croatia. However, the planned service to Zadar was halted by the airline's CEO Dane Kondić. The reason is an ongoing issue the airline has with the CCAA. Air Serbia is a company from outside the European Union but sells so-called connecting tickets from several cities in Croatia which is against EU regulation. The matter is now in the courts and we were just collateral damage".

In 2014, the CCAA accused Air Serbia of breaching the European Common Aviation Area agreement by operating flights to and from Zagreb to other cities using Belgrade as a transit point. It alleged that under the terms of the European Common Aviation Area Agreement, Serbian companies cannot sell composite tickets from Zagreb to other destinations via Belgrade or vice versa because Serbia is not an EU member. It argued that tickets for various legs of the journey must be sold separately. “Air Serbia can’t, for example, sell a ticket from Zagreb to Moscow, Doha or Brussels via Belgrade as a single ticket. It must be two individual tickets", it said. The accusations came weeks after the airline announced it would launch double daily flights between Belgrade and Zagreb. The CCAA has said Air Serbia is acting as “an unfair competitor” by selling transfer tickets via Belgrade at lower prices, allegedly breaching its agreement with the Croatian aviation regulator. The CCAA has filed “multiple indictment proposals against a foreign airline company for failing to comply with the provisions of the [Croatian] Aviation Act”, the Agency has said. Despite the ongoing dispute, Air Serbia continues to sell tickets to various destinations out of the Croatian capital via Belgrade. The carrier has previously denied any wrongdoing and said it is operating in accordance with European civil aviation regulations. 

Talks between Zadar Airport and Air Serbia were launched in 2015 over potential flights. Despite the negotiations, the service was never launched. Last year, Zadar Airport told EX-YU Aviation News that the route failed to materialise "partly because of the cancellation of financial support on behalf of the Croatian Tourist Board". It added, "This service would have been a great opportunity for Zadar because we know the route would have excellent loads. Zadar Airport will continue to negotiate and persist in having a Zadar - Belgrade connection just like other Croatian airports, such as Pula, Zagreb, Split and Dubrovnik". The last scheduled commercial flight between Zadar and Belgrade was operated by JAT Yugoslav Airlines on August 3, 1991. Brač Airport has also been negotiating with Air Serbia for seasonal service from Belgrade over the past year.

148 comments:

  1. This behavior is beyond pathetic. Really goes to show how malicious Zagreb is towards Serbia.
    At the end of day this should encourage JU to look for growth opportunities elsewhere, in far more lucrative markets.

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    1. lucrative and friendly ones
      like Priština

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    2. From what I heard, this was brought up by Croatia Airlines and concerns 15 EU destinations that they were (at the time) worried about.

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    3. anon 9:09 lol but PRN would be a great addition to ASLs network.

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    4. There are numerous other destinations besides PRN. JU doesn't need to beg airports that don't want them. Croatian tourism has only to gain from JU's increased presence in the country.

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    5. Really can not understand why "Zagreb" (you mean CCAA) was malicious toward Serbia (you did not use here "Belgrade"). They did not forbid Air Serbia to fly. The start legal act. If CCAA is right Air Serbia act against law, and will stop with that practice. If CCAA is not right Air Serbia will sell ticket like before (and today) and will get even financial compensations for all the trouble they had by this legal act. You find this "malicious"? It would be "malicious" if the did not allow them to fly if they don't stop this practice till finish of low procedure. But they did not.

      It is stupid to say they cannot fly to ZAD just because of that. If they can fly to ZAG, SPU, DBV, PUY, why on earth they can not fly to ZAD by same conditions. That is just excuse for Zadar, and also for Air Serbia which will cut lot of frequencies this summer because of bad financial situation, and for sure will not start new adventure.

      On top season they have 31 weekly flights to Croatia. You find that "malicious"?

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    6. Actually PRN's management has on numerous occasions called for flights between PRN and BEG to be resumed and said it would be a good addition.

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    7. Agree with anon 9:18 here. This court case has been dragging on for almost 2 years. I don't think anything will come of it. But I do think it could be a reason they didn't start Zadar or even Brac in 2015 or 2016. I mean if you have a pending case with the regulator I completely understand you are not going to go ahead and expand in the market until that is resolved.

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    8. Unless Croatia is including TK and SU on this lawsuit then it should be considered malicious prosecution.

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    9. Air Serbia is braking EU rules. What CCAA should do it ban Air Serbia from flying in to Croatia and bring this issue @EU commission, if Air Serbia continues to play dumb, ban Air Serbia from flying in to any EU destination.

      BTW Croatia is one of the most important Markets for Air Serbia with 400 000 passengers each year.

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    10. "Air Serbia is braking EU rules. What CCAA should do it ban Air Serbia from flying in to Croatia"

      What your puny hateful mind fails to realise is that Croatia would be much more affected by this move than Serbia.

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    11. @AnonymousMarch 8, 2017 at 4:39 PM

      What your puny tiny ignorant head fails to realize, there's plenty of fish in the water.

      One minor airline banned from Croatian skies, soon others will take its place.

      And Croatia would lose nothing, few less Serbians in Croatia, not biggie, there's more fish in the sea.

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    12. What is JU doing differently than other airlines e.g. TK in Croatia. Dont get it really

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    13. @anon 4:07pm

      How is Air Serbia breaking EU rules? What is Air Serbia doing differently in Croatia than in Germany or any other EU country?

      MM

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  2. How on earth is it a problem sell connecting flights? Will Emirates also be subjected to this? This is so bizarre and makes no sense.

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    1. It's called protectionism. They had no problem with Air Serbia selling these tickets from Dubrovnik or Pula or Split. They only started having a problem when they launched flights to Zagreb.

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    2. Emirates sell connecting tickets for outside EU

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    3. Well JU will also sell flights to AUH, BEY, LCA, TIA, JFK... so what's the problem then?

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    4. It is. But for sure we can not compare protectionism of OU has in ZAG and JU has in BEG!

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    5. AUH, BEY, LCA, TIA, JFK are not problems, but ZAG-BEG-SOF, ZAG-BET-OTP, ZAG-BEG-ATH... are.

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    6. LCA is also EU.

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    7. LX is not EU company. Switzerland is not EU. Yet I traveled between two EU countries via non-EU ZRH.
      No logic there.

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    8. Switzerland is member od EEA. The European Economic Area (EEA) is the area in which the Agreement on the EEA provides for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the European Single Market.

      So, first you have to inform yourself and than try to find "teorija zavere".

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    9. haha, Switzerland is not a member of EEA.
      So please, do what you preach and we'll all be smarter ;)

      Anyway, the point is, like many already stated, that this is not against EU rules at all. Turkish does it, Emirates, Etihad, US airlines (I'm talking about EU not only Croatia, since they said "its against EU rules")... so its just petty.

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    10. Spale, treba samo pocekati pravorijek. Ako je CCAA u krivu, JU ce dobiti odstetu.

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    11. Ma kapiram ja, nije problem da stitis sopstveno trziste, najiskrenije, nemam nikakav problem sa tim. Ali... ili nikom ne dozvoljavas ili dozvolis svima.

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    12. Spale..."One EFTA member, Switzerland, has not joined the EEA, but has a series of bilateral agreements with the EU which allow it also to participate in the internal market".

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    13. Da ali slucaj JU je specifican. To je jedina kompanija koja u Zagrebu prodaje konekcije preko BEG za drugu EU drzavu, kuzis?

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    14. Kuzim, problem je sto su konekcije preko Beograda. Beograda. Sve jasno.

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    15. To prosto nije tačno. Dve ne-EU kompanije prodaju karte preko huba koji je van EU za destinacije u EU. Aeroflot i Turkish Airlines. TK čak ima najbolje ponude iz Zagreba za neke grčke destinacije, dakle nije ona varijanta gde se karta može kupiti, ali je zbog velikog backtrackinga ili besmisleno visoke cene niko ne kupuje...

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    16. Anonymous March 8, 2017 at 1:01 PM ... again, not an EEA member as you/or someone else claimed. End of story.
      You or that guy tried to be cleaver and asked guy above to inform him self... well ?? Were you "informed" ?? :)
      If you said, not EEA member but bla bla bla that would be fine, but don't be a smartass without being sure what you write is correct

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    17. Dearest Spale, I knew Switzerland was not part of the EEA, that is why I quoted "series of bilateral agreements" and that is why this case is not the same as Serbia. Capito?

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    18. EU has competition laws. EU and Serbia have comprehensive trade agreement. Croatia tries to suppress competition through selective targeting of a single state with which it has issues.
      Why do you think EC ignores Croatian complaints for four years?
      They are hoping that Croatian politicians will come to their senses, so that EC does not have to embarrass them in front of their Balkan "rivals".

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    19. Of course it is not same if it is case with Turkey or Russia. You are not in same league with them, as Germany can do lot of thinks in EU Croatia can not.

      EU ignores Croatia? Really? So, why was your PM so angry when we block your negotiation with EU?

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  3. Oh this is gonna be an interesting day *grabs popcorn*...

    So, was TK also penalized by CCAA? How about QR? Will EK be also sued?

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    1. And JU is penalized?

      I can see JU sell those tickets all the time since starting those flights, and even today? So how was JU penalized?

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    2. But they could be if the courts rule in CCAAs favor.

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    3. If court decide like that CCAA was right, Air Serbia was acting against law, will be penalized and will not have possibility to do it in future.

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    4. No, they won't be penalized because they are selling connecting tickets from a not Eu member to a not EU member: Zagreb-Istanbul-non Eu member, Zagreb-Doha-non Eu member, Zagreb-Dubai-non Eu member. Same for JU: Zagreb-Belgrade-non Eu member. But the problem is Zagreb-Belgrade-Eu member (Sofia, OTP, ATH).

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    5. If court decides against CCAA, can ASL sue CCAA and ask for fat compensation?
      If this was a simple case as CCAA claimed, EC would decided it years ago.
      Btw, LH already lost case with similar rationalization against ASL.

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    6. Of course! And that is more than normal. If CCAA loose, JU will get compensation for all the troubles and money the lost because of CCAA act.

      It is not about EC, but member countries. So, they decide.

      LH was not sue JU. That is not true.

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    7. TK sells tickets FRA-IST-ZAG.
      Why is it no problem and FRA-BEG-ZAG is a problem?
      Double standards, huge protectionism.

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    8. Nebojsa, istina, Hrvatska je prva koja se pobunila iz nama dobro znanih razloga. Ali protekcionizam u regiji nije novost, zar ne?

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    9. Nije novost. No, postoji razlika između opčeg protekcionizma i onog koji bira metu protekcije ovisno o njezinim krvnim zrncima.

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    10. Aeroflot sell tickets ZAG-SVO-RIX, so EU-Russia-EU (Riga, Latvia) as one conecting ticket. Turkish does the same for Greece etc. CCAA does not complain, they are just corrupt political puppet.

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    11. Russia and Turkey are not same as Serbia. Of course CCAA can not fight Russia and Turkey, they are too powerful, but can fight Serbia. Russia and Turkey should be Germany target.

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  4. Can someone inform our government that it's Croatia's economy that will benefit the most from these flights?

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    1. It is not just the economy that benefits, but so do consumers, because they have more choice.

      So why are the consumer advocacy groups staying silent on this issue ?

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  5. Are they going to sue Emirates or Qatar for selling transfer tickets while outside of EU?

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    1. Don't think so. But it is Croatia choice who they will sue because of that and who they will not. Maybe with Emirates, Turkish and Qatar Croatia allow that privilege as it has some benefits from it, but doesn't want to allow that to Air Serbia. That is option governments have.

      Same think as Serbia allow some charters to Turkey, Tunisia and Egypt for some companies, but did not allow other charters to Turkey and Egypt for some of those who ask for permission.

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    2. No, because they sell tickets to a non Eu member and then connection to another non Eu member.

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    3. Like LX via ZRH?

      You haven't really thought this through, did you?

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    4. Switzerland is EEA member, and as one they have right to do so. So, those cases are not near to similar. You haven't really thought this through, did you?

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    5. Switzerland is another story, inform yourself.

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    6. Is it so hard to understand that EK/QR sell tickets from EU origin to final dest OUTSIDE the EU and JU WITHIN EU? Take a second to note that and you will realize SLIGHT difference.

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    7. If that is the case, you may wish to explain why CCAA quoted MOSCOW and DOHA as examples to their case? These two cities are SLIGHTLY OUTSIDE the EU. Take a second to note that.

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  6. tresla se gora ...

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  7. Not directly related to this matter but I'm wondering what other regional markets could JU expand to? I mean Croatia is the only country other than Germany where they fly to more than 2 cities.

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    1. What i heard here there is quite a demand from Ukraine? That could be something to expand in?

      they suspended the Kiev flights though .. guess because of a shortage on planes :(

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    2. Romania could work, lots of potential there.

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    3. Of course they did not suspend Kiev because of shortage of planes. Even more this year they will stop IST, will not fly WAW and VAR, and will cut lot of frequencies. So, it is not about capacity. They have too much capacity in this moment.

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    4. Jesus anon 9:34, how do u sleep at night?

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    5. BUD, CAI and IEV are must haves.

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  8. Funny how no other EU country except Croatia has a problem with this....

    You have to ask yourself why ?

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    1. We all know why, but law is law. If it is like that Croatia has right to go according to that law. Why other countries "has no problem with it" is not important, those who have can act according to law.

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    2. True. If countries such as Cyprus, Greece, Bulgaria and Romania don't care then neither should Croatia. This is nothing but a malicious prosecution.

      Also, TK carries a lot of pax from Greece to the EU yet Athens doesn't care.

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    3. Call it whatever you want, Nemjee. Obviously there is a law to which CCAA refers to.

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    4. The question we should be asking ourselves is why is Croatia the only to have an issue with this. Why aren't they complaining about TK selling ZAG-IST-ATH/SKG?

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    5. Nemjee - if countries like Germany, France, The Netherlands, Belgium and even the UK, not have issue with this, then you can see right through what this is really all about...

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    6. Exactly, protectionism. But I hope you see it all over the Balkans, not only in Croatia.

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    7. We are only reading about this because it has to do with Croatia and Air Serbia but who said other countries do not have a problem with this and are not also seeking legal action to stop some of the mentioned airline from doing this?
      The fact that the courts are taking as long as they are (are they EU courts or Croatian ones??) is probably because of the resulted nightmare a negative results for the airlines will cause throughout Europe.

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  9. For those who compare JU case with EK, QR, TK or SU: All the other carriers operate and sell tickets in Croatia based on the bilateral agreements signed between Croatia and the respective country (UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Russia etc.) But there is no bilateral agreement between Croatia and Serbia to design the operational and commercial details. JU operates in Croatia thanks to the ECAA agreement, which Croatia is a full member but Serbia is partial. Serbia has not completed the procedures to become a full member, hence shall not benefit the all aspects of ECAA (and here comes the onward ticket sales issue). But JU acts as if Serbia is a full member and sells two legs in a single ticket, whereas it is only allowed to sell tickets until BEG only. Therefore CCAA brought the case to EC with support of other European carriers such as LH (big daddy).

    Hope this clarifies the issue and ends arguments about foreign carriers operating rights in Croatia.

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    1. Oh, is it so? Then Serbia should allow LH to sell tickets only to FRA and MUC.
      What a twisted logic!

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    2. Germany is in EU, and Serbia is not. But Serbia can try to do so. In that case Serbia will, in a second finish negotiations about EU membership. Sorry, "tup se s rogatim ne može bosti".

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    3. you are joking, right? how come that other EU countries are not complaining? this is just regular SR-HR spat, so screw it

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    4. Why is selling tickets out of ZAG problem and not out of PUY, SPU or DBV?
      In ZAG OU must be protected one way or another and when JU brings passengers to the coast then this law is not important.
      What a hypocrisy!

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    5. I am anon 9:35 and I am so surprised to see people still continue to speculate on this topic. The issue has nothing to do with final destination, whether it is in EU or not. At this level of ECAA membership, JU is allowed to sell tickets in ECAA member countries until BEG only. Apparently OU wasn't interested in JU operations in PUY, SPU or DBV (most probably number of passengers connecting in BEG for a third destination are not significant), but it became important when JU launched ZAG and OU decided to file it to CCAA. The case is supported by LH too. But the consequences of a candidate country carrier acting as if it is a full member have not been defined clearly, therefore the issue has been brought to EC. Overall, the issue has such a low priority that it is still pending and JU continues to sell two leg tickets.

      In ZAD example, both JU and ZAD decided to use this story as a reason for not having the speculated flight.

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    6. It's anon 9:35 again, I need to clarify one thing in my message above. Please replace the word "tickets" in line 4 with "flights" and add "(in one single ticket)" to line 5, following "ECAA member countries". Sorry for the inconvenience.

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    7. It is interesting that number of connecting passengers on 3 airports is less important than number of connecting passengers on only one?
      It looks more like logic "as long as they are bringing us the tourists we shall not react but as soon as they start taking passengers from OU we shall remember we have a law" :-)

      Btw, do you have any link to support information given above?

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    8. Anon 9:35 / 3:20,

      According to what you say, carriers from "full" ECAA countries can sell transfer flights in Serbia but carriers from Serbia cannot sell transfer flights in ECAA countries?

      I am sorry but what kind of BS is that? I am not saying it is not true, in fact no BS can surprise me when it comes to the fortress of protectionism and double standards also known as the European Union.

      But if this BS is true, and if the EC really bans JU from selling transfer flights to ECAA countries, then Serbia should immediately ban all carriers from ECAA from selling transfer flights in Serbia. Any country would react like that - assuming it is a country, not a 3rd grade colony.

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  10. Wait, if JU can't do it, than Turkish, Emirates, Qatar can't do it as well?
    I expected a big jump in transfer passenger from new EK flights, but it appears that passengers can't buy connecting flights, only separate tickets, which is far more expensive.
    Strange country Croatia!

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    1. No, it is not the same. The problem is only when JU sells two legs tickets to another EU member state.

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    2. Oh, Anon. 9.59, a third interpretation of "law" already just after an hour? C'mon! This feels desperate.

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    3. So what you are saying is that when LX is selling tickets from ZAG via ZRH that it is... Oh my god! You nasty Swiss!

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    4. Switzerland is EEA member. You should inform yourself what that means before write those nonsense. That is why Switzerland citizens can travel with ID and in same lines as EU citizens. There you can read "EU, EEA passports". Unlike Serbian citizens.

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    5. Switzerland is something different. Inform yourself.

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    6. Anon 9:59,

      Check again this statement from the text:
      “Air Serbia can’t, for example, sell a ticket from Zagreb to Moscow, Doha or Brussels via Belgrade as a single ticket."

      Last time I checked, Moscow and Doha were not in the EU. Maybe CCAA thinks they are. Either way this clearly indicates this is not about a non-EU hub connecting points inside the EU, but much more about cheap excuses to act aggressively. And about the good old chauvinism of course.

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  11. Sacekati da Srbija udje u Evropsku Unij. Ako Er Srbija krsi propise Unije u svojoj clanici(?). Do tada traziti alternativne destinacije ako postoje. Nije razumljivo da Srpska avio kompanija ne poznaje detalje regulacije!?
    Neko nekog obmanjuje ili "omanjuje". What going on?
    Rodney.
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    1. Ako Air Serbia krši propis desit će se slijedeće:

      1. Biti će osuđena na sudu i platit će odštetu.

      2. Morati prekinuti sa tom praksom dok ne uđe u EU.

      3. Vrlo vjerojatno će se ovaj presedan uporabiti i na ostale zainteresirane članice EU iz kojih leti Air Serbija i prodaje takve karte, a to su prvenstveno Grčka, Rumunjska, Bugarska, Slovenija, Austrija, Njemačka...

      4. Srbija će imati velikih problema oko daljih pregovora sa EU.

      Ako je Air Serbia u pravu

      1. CCAA će platiti odštetu Air Serbiji i sve troškove koji su nastali ovom tužbom CCAA

      2. Air Serbia će nastaviti prodavati karte kao i do sada neovisno o ulasku u EU ili ne.

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    2. Serbia won't be the EU member for at least another 10 years if not a lot more. EU is in no rush to expand, we have our own internal issues to resolve.

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    3. How come Romania has zero issue in JU selling OTP-BEG-ZAG?

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  12. This only shows that OU can't compete with JU in open market. They are trying bureaucratic approach.

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    1. That is true. But that open market is not fair if Republic of Croatia can not subvent Croatia Airlines same way Republic of Serbia subvent Air Serbia. That is why law exist. If one country has no same conditions of open market and liberal economy as EU has, it can not sell on EU market and be unfair competition to EU member companies which has those open market rules (without possibility of subvention from country).

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    1. No, it is not. Law is here to obey. One can not use that law in cases where they have benefits of it (open market, selling tickets...), but in same time act against basic principles of EU (no subventions from country).

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    2. Stick to Serbian, please, English is clearly not one of your strenghts.

      Should anyone suspect any wrongdoing regarding subventions from country (sic), there is a legal remedy for that, file a complaint and let the EC decide on the issue. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it true.

      And even if it were true, laws don't work like "tit for tat". I hope you get that.

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    3. Anon at 10.46am - your argument doesn't hold any water at all. You begin by saying that "law is here to obey". That being the case, why didn;t the CCAA prosecate JU at any point in the previous 3 years when it was NOT flying to ZAG and instead, flying to SPU, DBV and PUL ?

      In other words, it only intervened when it started flying to ZAG, because OU made an issue of it.

      So the CCAA itself, didn't give too much credence to the law. So the "law is not there to obey", it is there for selective use and application - depending on who it will benefit and equally, where it can be applied for punitive purposes

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    4. Any third party carrier cannot provide domestic flights in the EU. So flying CDG-BEG-DBV is a domestic itinerary in the EU, which JU is not part of. The same as if Air France flies BEG-INI- they cannot. The situation with Croatia and Serbia is unique in that respect.

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    5. But TK can fly CDG-IST-DBV?

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  14. Wait! I just traveled between two EU countries with LX via ZRH. Switzerland is not EU, not UN member so...
    Is LX flying from ZAG and why is CCAA allowing this for god's sake!?
    Applied twisted logic fueled by malice and hate hits a hard fact wall sooner or later.

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    1. Switzerland is a member of the EU acts. Even of Schengen- there is no passport control. De facto Switzerland is a member of the EU and its regulations without being officially a member- as is Norway. If they wanted they could become members in a few months.

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    2. Switzerland is member od EEA. The European Economic Area (EEA) is the area in which the Agreement on the EEA provides for the free movement of persons, goods, services and capital within the European Single Market.

      So, first you have to inform yourself and than try to find "teorija zavere".

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    3. Actually, Switzerland is NOT a member of the EEA. Do check your facts. They, of course, had a referendum on that, so despite CH government wanted for the country to become the member of the EEA (and the EU), it never did. This all happened when EFTA (which CH used to be a member of, but it isn't anymore) became part of the EEA before Maastricht Treaty entered into force...

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  15. Jesus guys, I think CCAA did not thought this through. If it is CCAA and not bare politics.

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  16. A shame Air Serbia won't be flying between BEG and ZAD any time soon. I'm predicting OU will overtake JU in pax numbers this year

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    1. If all those cuts of Air Serbia is true, and with 4 new routes (15 new flights) and more frequencies on others routes for Croatia (2 more 100-seater) it is possible.

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    2. OU will have more pax than JU the same time any Croatian airport has more pax than BEG. Which will be pretty much never! lol

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    3. OU announced 4 new routes, JU none
      Also, you forgot Croatia's airports together handeled much more pax than BEG

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    4. Air Serbia has announced Venice.

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    5. JU hasn't announced it schedule for summer yet. Not that it has announced no new routes.

      I said BEG vs any Croatian airport. Not BEG vs sum of Croatian airports.

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    6. What is the numbers difference between all Croatian airports and all Serbian airports?

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  17. The law states that a third party carrier cannot sell tickets between two EU- Member states if it not itself a member of the EU. Just imagine TK or Ukraine selling tickets between Frankfurt and Vienna with a stopover in Kiev. Not possible. They can however sell Frankfurt-Kiev-Istanbul.

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    1. “Air Serbia can’t, for example, sell a ticket from Zagreb to Moscow, Doha or Brussels via Belgrade as a single ticket. It must be two individual tickets", it said

      see..they have problems with tickets from Zagreb to Belgrade onto both EU (Brussels) and non EU counties (Moscow, Doha)

      Which law is that?

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    2. Of course they can! They only cannot sell tickets between EU states (probably majority), that´s all. So the article or whoever stated this ist simply trying to spread hatred.

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    3. Fair enough. All I am saying is that article mentions both EU and non-EU destinations. How the actual court case looks like...no idea. And to be honest I don't think non of us here do :)

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  18. Okay, now let's be honest.

    The real reason why JU did not start ZAD and BWK is that their fleet is operating in summer on their max. limits - and it seems whenever they lease an additional aircraft (if they do) it will be allocated on potentially more economical routes. Hence, ZAD and BWK are deemed either not promising enough or too risky.

    Additionally, if the forecast would be that great for these routes than JU would start them also without support from the Cro tourist board and independent of a court case which does not influence them on starting P2P routes particularly for tourists.

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    1. JU urgently needs additional planes, ATR replacements and some regional jets. No doubt. Just look at all the cuts in SUTT.

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    2. I don't see that happening soon, they have no money for new ac

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  19. Linija BEG-DBV bi trebala ići i zimi, barem 2x tjedno.

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  20. Zazto ste mi obrisali komentar? Nikoga nisam vredjao i dao sam svoje misljenje da treba ici tamo gde mozete poslovati bez ujdurme i praviti pare, to da je hrvatska neprijateljski raspolozena prema srbima to je fakt! Great job Admin police!

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    1. Opusti se, doživjet ćeš infarkt. Plus što baš nikoga nije briga za tvoje mišljenje.

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    2. Nije. Ima i ovdje neprijateljski raspolozenih, ali necu zakljuciti da je cijela drzava.

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    3. Brisanje komentara redovna je pojava na svim sajtovima i blogovima o avijaciji. Dešava se da Adminu jednog sajta bude obrisan komentar na drugom sajtu i obrnuto pa se posle žale na navodnu cenzuru, a sami rade isto na svom sajtu. Da nije tužno bilo bi smešno.

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  21. Bilo koji komentar na ovu vijest mogao bih progutati, no od ove mi se poplave eskperata za prometno pravo zbilja okreče želudac (premda je po svoj prilici u pitanju jedan te isti ekspert koji ređa komentare). U njihovomu je svijetu sve tak lijepo: postoji zakon, zakon svi poštivaju, nema tu uopče nekakve politike, exYU zemlje su diljem svijeta poznate po vladavini prava, to im je glavni trademark po kome ih se prepoznaje. Ponoviti takvu laž 50 puta u istom danu zbilja može samo vrhunski luđak.

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  22. Today's comments are like Déjà vu all over again. I'll take a break until tomorrow. Or unless someone comes up with an interesting OT.

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  23. U prilog diskusiji - Aviatica upravo piše da je smanjen broj letova za Zagreb

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    1. "Umesto 14 puta nedeljno, Air Serbia će ka Zagrebu leteti samo 10 puta"

      U celoj prici ti je jasno ovo "samo 10"

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    2. Znaci pricamo o svemu, osim o tome da JU smanjuje ZAG na 10 tjedno.

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    3. Da se ja pitam za isti ne bi ni letjeli

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  24. JU statistic in February : 131.800 PAX (up 2,4% yoy), Operations down 4,6% yoy, PLF 65,5% (up 1,5%). PLF Zurich >90%, New York <50%.

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    1. Why do you always write "yoy" ? What does it mean?

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    2. year on year

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  25. OT: 06 March BEG - JFK 9 in business class, JFK - BEG 5

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    1. That is not "nice" dude, that is horrible.

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    2. Horrible? Six months ago it was 3 and 1.

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  26. Ako su u pravu hrvatske vazduhoplovne vlasti, zbog čega iste korake ne preduzimaju vazduhoplovne vlasti ostalih zemalja članica EU do čijih odredišta Air Serbia leti i prodaje karte na identičan način kao do ili iz Zagreba uz transfer u Beogradu ?

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  27. Back to mother Russia :D

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  28. I can understand that people have trouble to digest defeat, but if someone told me that the victors would not let it go after 22 years, I would think that they are crazy.

    It reads more as family feud, with extreme enduring emotions, then like relationship between two separate nation states.

    So sad.

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    1. Perhaps that's because they're not really victors, someone else is.

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  29. It would be nice to know a full statistics of ex-yu passengers of 2016.

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    1. You have airports here
      http://www.exyuaviation.com/2017/01/ex-yu-airport-race-2016.html

      Only JU and OU reported their passanger numbers for 2016 so far as I know
      http://www.exyuaviation.com/2017/02/air-serbia-posts-improved-2016-results.html

      http://www.exyuaviation.com/2017/03/croatia-airlines-posts-mixed-2016.html

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  30. Air Cargo Global B747-400F just landed from Yerevan in Belgrade.

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  31. Anyone know why a TradeAir a320 flew from BEG to ZAG? Did JU have some plane trouble?

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