tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post1506988608526374648..comments2024-03-28T21:42:14.831+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: First anniversary of Etihad-Serbia partnershipEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger88125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-68926404569651237362014-08-03T16:38:00.388+02:002014-08-03T16:38:00.388+02:00Уместо расправе о ћирилици, боље би било да покуша...Уместо расправе о ћирилици, боље би било да покушамо да поправимо часопис: економску класу у наслову на 110 страни зову Economic a ne Economy, нема ни помена о програму Etihad Guest за лојалне путнике нити огласа партнера (рецимо хотели где се поени могу скупљати), нема мапе аеродрома Никола Тесла...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56383097888855810822014-08-03T08:54:04.148+02:002014-08-03T08:54:04.148+02:00Али што волим тај тренутак када долазе ти продухов...Али што волим тај тренутак када долазе ти продуховљени и самопрокламовани чувари модернизма да нам приповедају о томе како нисмо у праву што бранимо ћирилицу док ваша посвећеност латиници је у потпуности оправдана. <br /><br />То што се неки на овом блогу хвале да не пишу латиницом је пре свега тужно и то само показује колико су кратковиди и заправо како су жртве лоших политичких одлука из прошлости. Мени је пре свега јако драго да и даље постоје људи којима је стало до ћириличног писма и који се боре за његово очување. <br />Што се тиче Ер Србије, ово је било за очекивати, нажалост. Такав им је кадар тамо и са овом одлуком достигли су врхунац демагогије и дволичности. <br /><br />Порука свим латиничарима и пријатељу из Канаде: само се глуп човек хвали оним чега се паметан стиди.<br /><br />Поздрав из Београда.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-77301226351744202412014-08-03T06:29:35.909+02:002014-08-03T06:29:35.909+02:00@anon at 10:19
review's text exists only beca...@anon at 10:19<br /><br />review's text exists only because it sells ads, so they are important, not the text. <br />Some airlines gave up on printed magazine altogether and found other ways todeliver ads to passengers like IFE. Texts are not important except to have passengers flip pages and see more ads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-57152495184386385702014-08-03T04:44:51.081+02:002014-08-03T04:44:51.081+02:00@Anonymous August 2, 2014 at 4:48 AM
Its bad comp...@Anonymous August 2, 2014 at 4:48 AM<br /><br />Its bad comparing Switzerland and Serbia as Serbia has 1 official language, and 1 official alphabet - Serbian and Cyrillic.<br /><br />As I said, the company invested alot of money and time to rebrand Jat as a Serbian airline with Air Serbia, including this magazine that will advertise Serbia to its foreign pax, but the simplist things they could advetise is the Serbian language and its alphabet. I think we should be proud of the fact that we have a unique alphabet where 1 sounds is represented with 1 letter, which even the latinica doesnt have (eg: Љ = Lj). The whole idea of travel is experiencing something new, something unique, something foreign. I still believe its contradictory to adverise 'Serbian hospititality' yet not the fundemental and most basic thing from Serbia, its langauge. The Dusans Code which they proudly mention as inspiration to the logo was btw written in Cyrillic.JATBEGMELnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51363003314405457792014-08-03T04:22:41.159+02:002014-08-03T04:22:41.159+02:00OMG....is this for real...From marketing stand poi...OMG....is this for real...From marketing stand point, decision to use SERBIAN LATIN alphabet is excellent. Stop with that notion that Serbia is using only Cyrillic alphabet...NOT the case.... I'm Serbian from Bosnia and, like 90% of Serbs from Bosnia, I always used and still using only latin alphabet. Currently I reside in Canada. Do you really think that Serbian diaspora is using Cyrillic ????? Trust me - NO. So now, I would be 100% for Cyrillic alphabet if AS is flying exclusively only from Nis to Kraljevo, and nowhere else. Also, before my departure to Canada, I've spent 7 years in Belgrade. I would say that well over 50% of Belgraders are using Latin alphabet only. Now, if majority of people from Vojvodina, Belgrade, Serbs from Bosnia as well as Serbs from abroad are using Latin alphabet on daily basis, would it be wise to stick to Cyrillic alphabet only...Of course not... On top of it all, as far as I remember, SERBIAN LATIN is one of official letters.SO please quit with nationalistic notions here. <br />Ma daj prekinite vise sa tim kad je cirilica stigla u Srbiju......to gledanje samo u proslost je I dovela Srbiju do ovoga gde je sada. Ja sam Srbin, ponosim se sa tim, a to sto iskljucivo koristim latinicu, verovatno me cini u ocima "narrow-minded individuals" izdajicom, Hrvatom itd..... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-25098001128084962702014-08-02T23:53:38.005+02:002014-08-02T23:53:38.005+02:00Anon 1:10pm
Basic difference between an average j...Anon 1:10pm<br /><br />Basic difference between an average joe from Macedonia and Croatia or muslim part of BiH is that Macedonian one has much more likely to be able to read latinic since I belive they still teach it in school one way or another. On the other hand, cyrilic in Croatia and BiH Federation school system and life in general is non existent. SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992198326118720912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-87108954026822501632014-08-02T22:38:29.999+02:002014-08-02T22:38:29.999+02:00Swiss is a bit of a different case since Lufty is ...Swiss is a bit of a different case since Lufty is a majority stakeholder; the cases of Air Serbia and CSA are a bit different. <br />I don't care if they introduce an Albanian version of the magazine, for me the Serbian version is the one I can't agree with. <br /><br />I think Air Serbia did a very good thing by introducing a multilingual website. I hope that eventually all Balkan languages will be included as well as Arabic. The airline flies to Abu Dhabi and Beirut and they also considered Cairo at one point. It's a massive market and a lot of their cities are considered as high-yielding. <br />I think the airline has done a phenomenal job in just a year. We all remember what a flying disaster Jat Airways was. It will take a long time before all things are back to normal. :)Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-12768645737809663392014-08-02T22:19:39.001+02:002014-08-02T22:19:39.001+02:00@8:47PM
No one is talking about the ads but the r...@8:47PM<br /><br />No one is talking about the ads but the review's text itself! Stop bringing up the damn ads questions as if you can't read what has been written previously!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-69922445532174826532014-08-02T21:25:13.118+02:002014-08-02T21:25:13.118+02:00Nemjee, I enjoy your posts but I have to help you ...Nemjee, I enjoy your posts but I have to help you with this:<br /><br />“Since someone mentioned Swiss, it actually makes sense for them to use English and German since their biggest base is in Zurich and they are owned by Lufthansa.“<br /><br />If you apply same logic about ownership, Air Serbia should also have Arabic text, or CSA should have texts in Korean because of partial ownership, but that’s not how it works.<br /><br />Switzerland has about 2/3 of native German speakers, so from purely commercial reasons they decided to address more market with German language than say, Italian. It’s all about the revenue, the money you can make from more passengers looking at your magazine.<br /><br />CSA is another perfect example. Their inflight magazine is in three languages: Czech, English and guess what – Russian! Looking at their route map it’s clear why they have Cyrillic – they have 6 destinations in Russia, plus number of other former CIS destinations where Russian is also spoken. Few of the articles are not translated to Russian because they don’t address Russian market. I would not be surprised if one day Elevate magazine gets couple of articles translated to German, Greek or whatever market analysis comes up with. Hope this helps!AirCEOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-57971118336820181332014-08-02T20:47:21.239+02:002014-08-02T20:47:21.239+02:00There are ONLY 3 global brands in Elevate magazine...There are ONLY 3 global brands in Elevate magazine that address passengers NOT departing or arriving to/from Serbia/Montenegro: Longines, Rolex and Jeep. That's it. For every other ad, you need to understand Serbian language and/or do business in Serbia or Montenegro.<br /><br />If you can double or triple that number (while increasing ad price per page) by going with Cyrillic, go for it! Let me see how many capable sales folks will respond! There's job waiting for you!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-78071777543601389392014-08-02T16:56:23.016+02:002014-08-02T16:56:23.016+02:00great result indeed, now other Croatian airports n...great result indeed, now other Croatian airports need to publish their data to see the overall result. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-72190233003923753532014-08-02T14:00:25.950+02:002014-08-02T14:00:25.950+02:00AnonymousAugust 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM
You are a hypo...AnonymousAugust 2, 2014 at 1:46 PM<br /><br />You are a hypocrite. You are doing the same as those you condemn. <br />It's every person's right to fight for what he believes in. You have no authority to belittle someone's interest just because he loves his country and his roots. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-45068281036309404912014-08-02T13:51:31.769+02:002014-08-02T13:51:31.769+02:00Yeah but still, the whole point is to prove that k...Yeah but still, the whole point is to prove that keeping your unique alphabet (or anything of that sort) will not harm your business. Remember when on this blog masses of people predicted that no one would fly with Air Serbia because of the logo or the name? <br />Furthermore, there are no good enough reasons to justify why Bosnians would not be able to read Cyrillic when it is the official alphabet of the country. It's also disrespectful towards the Serbs, both in Bosnia and outside of it. <br />On the other hand, Air Serbia has incomparably more passengers from Russia, Bulgaria and Macedonia than there are from countries which speak the same language but do not use the same alphabet. If we were to use pure business logic then sticking with Cyrillic would make more sense. <br /><br />Let's take a look:<br /><br />Moscow:<br />- two daily flights A319/320<br />- code-share/interline with Aeroflot<br /><br />Bulgaria<br />- daily flight to Sofia<br />- seasonal 4 weekly to Varna<br />- interline with Bulgaria Air<br /><br />Macedonia <br />- double daily flights to Skopje, A319/Atr<br /><br />On the other hand we have:<br /><br />-seasonal flights to Croatia where not a single destination is served on a daily basis.<br /><br />- Triple daily flights to Bosnia, two to Sarajevo and one to Banja Luka (where Cyrillic is not a handicap). I included JA in this equation since they feed Air Serbia's Belgrade network and their customers would be 'forced' to read Cyrillic.<br /><br />Since someone mentioned Swiss, it actually makes sense for them to use English and German since their biggest base is in Zurich and they are owned by Lufthansa. <br />I just don't think it's worth it to switch to Latin in order to please a small and relatively low-yielding market. I am sorry but it is a publicly known fact that 90% of the Balkan travelling public is low-yielding VFR traffic. Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-32125855026215920332014-08-02T13:51:09.869+02:002014-08-02T13:51:09.869+02:00For now all we're saying is that the Air Serbi...For now all we're saying is that the Air Serbia review should have simply stayed as it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-15432967684638145462014-08-02T13:46:08.529+02:002014-08-02T13:46:08.529+02:00Loving the Cyrillic, being passionate about it, us...Loving the Cyrillic, being passionate about it, using it whenever possible, creating new typefaces, branding companies with it if that's your cup of tea - sure, that's great. Trying to push out Latin out of the language where it was widely used for more than a century - that's a whole different ball game. Forcing people who prefer "the other" script to use whatever suits YOU best, that's not respect or passion, that's ignorance and xenophobia.<br /><br />If anyone genuinely believes that using Latin script will somehow rob the Serbian nation of its identity - before that happens the battle for the national identity will have been long lost. I am quite positive you won't be able to find a single person in Serbia, who is an ethnic Serb and using Latin script, saying that they're something else or being confused about their national identity.<br /><br />On the other hand, forcing people to either use Cyrillic or "stop being Serbs", well, we've tried that approach before with the orthodox church and that didn't work out all that well, now did it? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-45608568061275831302014-08-02T13:45:15.043+02:002014-08-02T13:45:15.043+02:00Not even talking about the Serbian public and the ...Not even talking about the Serbian public and the diaspora (that is very traditional and roots-nostalgic).<br /><br />So, in order to satisfy less than 5% of our network and customers (not even year-round one and where most of transit pax are from Europe and other countries - not Croatia) we are:<br /><br />- giving up on our identity and heritage<br />- marginalizing Serbian customers, putting them on a second place (without an O&D base no transfer-company can thrive)<br />- marginalizing customers from all the Cyrillic countries where we are having much more flights (double daily to Skopje, daily to Sofia, 3 weekly to Varna), some Russians would also rather read the Cyrillic and we're talking of one of (if not the) top Air Serbia markets.<br /><br />Question is - besides the 'nationalistic' dilemma, is it really worth it?<br /><br />The Croatian folk unless he's really ignorant (and by being that ignorant he's probably not gonna read anything at all), by booking a flight with an airline called Air SERBIA he would assume that yes, some of the material might be in Serbia's own language, right, just like in a German or French company... I didn't see Aeroflot being bankrupt for that. <br /><br />Given the Air Serbia's original "traditionally oriented them" this is a quite sickening contrast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-8652188634361910992014-08-02T13:19:36.791+02:002014-08-02T13:19:36.791+02:00Dragi Anonymous 10:13 PM, Vise od 20 godina sam ra...Dragi Anonymous 10:13 PM, Vise od 20 godina sam radio na remontu motora za Boeing-e B747 i B767. U pocetku sam radio na Alisonovim otorima T56 za Hercules-e kao ina P&W JT3 za B707. Onda su sledili P & W JT9-7F pa zatim RR RB211-D4,/G2, Trent, pa GE CF6-80E2... Zadnjih par godina sam proveo radeci u hangaru H91... Druzim se sa avionima punih 45 godina preletvsi oko 4500 sati dokumentovan, sa svim avionima zapadne proizvodnjne i jedanput na sa TU 154 M. Do sada sam leteo oko sveta 22 puta. Iz Australije u Srbiju zapocinjem za par nedelja 69 let za ovih skromnih 45 godina. Verovatno nisam dostojan da se javljam na ovom Forumu pa nezanimljivim nacinom obracanja mnoge razocaravam u najmanju ruku. Ako je to u pitanju recite mi. Podaricu vam mir. Jedno je izvesno za mene. Da sam ostao u Otadzbini nebih dobio ni kanale da cistim oko Beogradskog aerodroma, sto se mojeg ucesca tice. Sa mirom to i prihvatam. Ali postoji i druga strana medalje. A to je: "covek snuje a Bog odredjuje". Nedaj Boze da sam nekog omalovazio. Jer uvek ljudima mislim, zelim dobro. Ako mi i obraz osamare, ja drugi okrenem... Verujte opstajem uspesno pa se trudim da tako ostane. Vama svako dobro ez obzira sta i gde radite ili ne. Sa Sydney-skog aerodroma, iz Mlazne Baze mojeg native QANTAS AIRWAYS-a srdacni pozdravi Radovan. Rodney Marinkovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111579094217706583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-43562043209862450362014-08-02T13:10:19.160+02:002014-08-02T13:10:19.160+02:00You didn't answer one question: why would an a...You didn't answer one question: why would an average "joe" from Croatia or Ljubljana have the advantage over an average "joe" from Macedonia or Bulgaria where we are having much more flights and year-round destinations?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-91739062731006705432014-08-02T12:17:31.015+02:002014-08-02T12:17:31.015+02:00Btw thank you all for civilized conversation, I...Btw thank you all for civilized conversation, I'm very happy that there are still a lot of people passionate about cyrilic SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992198326118720912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-46590880304661363642014-08-02T12:14:49.220+02:002014-08-02T12:14:49.220+02:00Ok - and how do you translate "Elevate" ...Ok - and how do you translate "Elevate" into Serbian? What's the magazine name, "podici"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-23286954809555587402014-08-02T12:14:24.571+02:002014-08-02T12:14:24.571+02:00I never said that we should obandon cyrilic. If y...I never said that we should obandon cyrilic. If you knew me you'd that my oppi ion is quite contrary. I have no idea if my friend will visit those countries but I just gave you some feedback as an example. <br /><br />Imo, person that might be affected by this is an average joe from Sarajevo, Ljubljana and Croatian coast who doesn't speak English. You might say very limited and that's true but as we look in the future this number canonly increase because in those places they don't teach cyrilic anymore plus focus seems to be on transfer pax and that might increase it. <br /><br />Namjee, I don't think that your comparison with Aegean is valid for simpke reason that outside Greece nobady speak that language. If you write Greek in latinic it would make zero difference to anybody that us not Greek. In our case people outside Serbia speak same language with different name, the only difference is that they are less likely to be able to read it if it's cyrilic. All of this is in support of basic marketing rule to reach as many people as posible with as little amont of money. <br /><br />But in all honesty I think we are making too much out of nothing. SMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992198326118720912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-58253498000089448552014-08-02T12:07:32.788+02:002014-08-02T12:07:32.788+02:00So did i on my Windows phone. SMS messages work pe...So did i on my Windows phone. SMS messages work perfect in Cyrillic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-30173957317441085832014-08-02T12:04:49.292+02:002014-08-02T12:04:49.292+02:00Ohoho, what a flame about Cyrillic.
Such a shame, ...Ohoho, what a flame about Cyrillic.<br />Such a shame, but did it occur to anyone that a possible reason for Latin script is the fact that in Cyrillic airline's name should be written: Eр Сербија; not so appealing, on the other hand, the so-hated "communist" airline was Југословенски аеротранспорт. :)<br /><br />Of course the magazine is in Latin script, they gave the name and brand to nationalists, some other things have to remain logical. (Was it Jovan Ducic who argued for use of only Latin script in Serbia, etc. etc.)<br /><br />On the more important note, did anyone look at it? It doesn't look so good - also, I am no English expert, but it seems to me that there are some unfortunate sentences and word sequences. Might be wrong, but one example is the title: "Air Serbia, Leading Airline in The Region". Is it missing an article?vasingtonskverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516332075636978366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-59014683663265580842014-08-02T11:38:11.622+02:002014-08-02T11:38:11.622+02:00Everything in Serbia should be CYRILLIC and ENGLIS...Everything in Serbia should be CYRILLIC and ENGLISH. "Serbian-latin" is a half-way solutions that destroys and defigurates Serbian indentitiy, all while not allowing foreigners to understand anything at all, as much as they would understand the Czech or Romanian language.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-27226578375772132002014-08-02T11:29:33.312+02:002014-08-02T11:29:33.312+02:00Besides, i am sure that the authentic alphabet cer...Besides, i am sure that the authentic alphabet certainly didn't harm the Greek tourism, being one of the top destination in Europe (especially for the nationalities that would supposedly have a hard-time understanding Cyrillic script).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com