tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post2137133344578497589..comments2024-03-18T21:37:12.400+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Etihad completes Air Serbia takeoverEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-62393621945885419662014-03-01T09:46:18.507+01:002014-03-01T09:46:18.507+01:00Ooops, I totally missed this, thanks for pointing ...Ooops, I totally missed this, thanks for pointing out the links and sorry for my baseless rant. Still, I would prefer to get an email informing me of the baggage policy change over email about sabresonic implementation...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-30519837175691511602014-02-28T16:32:43.135+01:002014-02-28T16:32:43.135+01:00I would not go as far as to say that the managemen...I would not go as far as to say that the management is from Etihad. Key people were appointed by Etihad but the rest are old Jat Airways employees (the good ones before bashing starts).<br />For example, top management at Air Serbia Ground Services is made up of old Jat Airways people but Etihad has its team in Belgrade teaching them all about their standards and what's expected of them. <br />Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56915426436915235432014-02-28T09:56:24.958+01:002014-02-28T09:56:24.958+01:00E da smo normalna i uređena zemlja gde policija i ...E da smo normalna i uređena zemlja gde policija i tuziteljstvo rade svoj poso, i gde mito nije prvi princip, ja bi se prvi složio sa tobom. Ali daleko smo od toga.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-37798096791604171922014-02-28T09:45:06.233+01:002014-02-28T09:45:06.233+01:00They own 49% of the company but the management is ...They own 49% of the company but the management is from Etihad. IE, Etihad is making all the decisions.<br /><br />This is a good thing. When you have a company that was being run into the ground because it was run like some sort of communistic part social services project, part airline, you end up with a culture that's not exactly conducive to running a successful airline in a global environment.Dootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-59552100877582422812014-02-28T01:28:15.690+01:002014-02-28T01:28:15.690+01:00My thoughts exactly... strange numbering. Shouldnt...My thoughts exactly... strange numbering. Shouldnt those flights be numbered something like 594/595 for the afternoon Friday flight and 596/597 for the overnight one on Monday? <br /><br />Excellent timings for a weekeng in Malta, hopefully the prices will be affordable.Eighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12980670700071956031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-19882029332545170052014-02-27T23:45:05.972+01:002014-02-27T23:45:05.972+01:00@Anonymous at 9:17 AM:
"Not just me, but my ...@Anonymous at 9:17 AM:<br /><br />"Not just me, but my son and grandson will pay for that deal."<br /><br />After 2008 US financial crisis, US national debt went from $10 trillion in 2008 to $16 trillion in 2012. That's the increase of $6 trillion in debt, of if you prefer zeroes: $6,000,000,000,000.00.<br /><br />Some US taxpayers feel that not just them, but their kids and their grandkids, will have to pay off that debt. In today's world almost every government has debt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-62452942593964136282014-02-27T23:32:39.783+01:002014-02-27T23:32:39.783+01:00Good news they are returning to MLA ;)
While I tot...Good news they are returning to MLA ;)<br />While I totally agree numeration for Malta is strange, JU6XX are not regional although some flights with those numbers are within a wider region indeed, basically JU1XX are pure regional, JU6XX are Central and Eastern Europe, and JU5XX are Southern Europe and Mediterranean therefore following the usual JU numeration Malta should be numbered as JU590 for example and JU690...Strange numeration as you correctly noticed ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-73454454854554293642014-02-27T23:07:33.818+01:002014-02-27T23:07:33.818+01:00By far the best way to find out the details of the...By far the best way to find out the details of the “secret contract” is to buy the ticket and fly Air Serbia at least once. If that experience doesn’t make you fully aware of what the goals for Air Serbia deal are, you are probably expecting some sort of conspiracy theory contract where Abu Dhabi gets one million virgins for each Airbus they give to Air Serbia. I can’t help you in that case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-33991419548243153822014-02-27T22:50:30.343+01:002014-02-27T22:50:30.343+01:00It was announced on their web site two days ago:
...It was announced on their web site two days ago:<br /><br />http://www.airserbia.com/system/home/newsplus/viewsingle/_params/newsplus_news_id/125300.html<br /><br />and here:<br /><br />http://www.airserbia.com/home/main_menu/travel_info/conditions_of_carrige/passenger_baggage.html<br /><br />I am disappointed you chose to read facebook comments instead of their web site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-24006015424720984132014-02-27T21:13:12.477+01:002014-02-27T21:13:12.477+01:00Thank you for the response!Thank you for the response!kraspeedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14950536705437861221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-82753841640654760922014-02-27T21:11:29.567+01:002014-02-27T21:11:29.567+01:00JU is returning to Malta market with 2 weekly flig...JU is returning to Malta market with 2 weekly flights and with lots of connecting options ex BEG, though I don't understand the numeration - JU690/691!? Like it's regional route..JU500https://www.blogger.com/profile/01855136215721390300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-82444462354878197982014-02-27T20:54:58.358+01:002014-02-27T20:54:58.358+01:00Government has been spending millions of tax payer...Government has been spending millions of tax payers money for ages. For ages. Their moral obligation is to give some details of the contract. Some of you guys do not see the big picture. And this is the government of a country you live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51647636052675305612014-02-27T20:49:13.818+01:002014-02-27T20:49:13.818+01:00When you have nothing else product wise and have t...When you have nothing else product wise and have to create a USP by giving generous baggage allowances that no one else gives, then it saus it all. Old JAT had to create a USP thru a generous baggage allowance, bcoz it had nothing else to compete with against the premium carriers like LH or TK. Having significantly invested in product to match or now better these companies, it doesn't need to dilute it's brand through crazy baggage allowances that no one else gives ...If you don't like it, fly with an LCC or another carrier - that's the beauty of consumer choice ... AirSERBIA now has to make money and ancilliary revenues thru excess baggage are smart, bringing it in line with quality carriers. Bravo to the new mgt team. It shows they are serious abt turning things around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-12321989543022877732014-02-27T20:39:13.798+01:002014-02-27T20:39:13.798+01:00To @DooFebruary
have You ever fly with JAT? Or ge...To @DooFebruary<br /><br />have You ever fly with JAT? Or get any operator by phone? I've travelled at least couple of hundred times and never heard of that. But I've heard something similar on FCO and LIS. In my career only one time JAT lost baggage. To compare with Lufthansa, at least 4-5 times, AL ITALIA every time when I've been transferred on Italy airports, even EK at least twice. The rude and arrogant KLM-Air France attendants in addition. I'm not saying that JAT was excellent, it was below average European carrier, but to say about rudeness of employes it is shameful and disgusting. zoran Jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-71978907185003885952014-02-27T20:37:25.887+01:002014-02-27T20:37:25.887+01:00Anonymous at 9.17am, simply stated, you're a f...Anonymous at 9.17am, simply stated, you're a fucking idiot. You, your son and every other taxpayer in this country has already been paying for JAT and its poor and corrupt mgt over the past 15 years for the losses that they have been wracking up ... Never mind about things going forward, at least now, we will be unshackled from the obligation of having to cover these losses and keep unproductive and useless people employed. Halelujah to this deal - a deal after failed 3 privatization attempts - the last of which no one even bothered to get a copy of the tender document - we finally managed to snag a world class strategic partner. What do you think that the other failed airlines across ex-yu would give to be in Air Serbia's shoes ? People in Italy are waiting in great anticipation that Etihad will invest in their airline and the best you can do, is talk through your arse about stuff you absolutely have no idea about. As for no money from Etihad into the deal, who do you think paid for the aircraft leases, rebranding, training, uniforms, renovation of the St Marks retail shop, cutover to Sabre ? A govt which doesn't have money to even pay for hospitals, roads and schools ?? Get back to milking that cow in barnhouse and hope that the horse next to the cow kicks you in the head and puts you out of your misery ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-25426493930741033562014-02-27T19:45:48.275+01:002014-02-27T19:45:48.275+01:00@DootFebruary 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM
"I phoned ...@DootFebruary 27, 2014 at 9:33 AM<br /><br />"I phoned Air Serbia yesterday and couldn't believe how nice and helpful they were on the phone. What a contrast from a few years ago when I tried that."<br /><br />JAT - Sto hoces? Ajde mars u p*ck* ma*er*nu, ma bopli me ako cete leteti sa nama, ma kavkva prtljaga, ovo nije hotel, ma da sti vi hocete ako vam damo malo sira sa crnom mrljom operi ga konju jedan, ma kavva tajmtable to to govoris ovo je JAT mi radimo po nasem rasporedu, ma moze da leti taj avion sa jednim krilom nekoj me zajebavati, kakav sekuriticheckin, ma ovaj pilot koji vozi nas avion nije piajn jebem ti palac, JAT ima tradiciju koju mora drzati znaci kasnit ce 3 sata. <br /><br /><br />:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-53353335723131216802014-02-27T19:25:50.605+01:002014-02-27T19:25:50.605+01:00Dear Anonymous of 11:23 AM. Thanks for you generou...Dear Anonymous of 11:23 AM. Thanks for you generous note. Kako bih srecan bio da razgovaram, razmenim rec sa malom grupom ljudi koji vole ovo sto i ja. Za pocetak vi ste verovatno svi profesionalci. Sto se mene tice, pored na prvom mestu Lubavi prema Gospodu<br />postovanja prema Ljudima, a posebno prema onima koji lete, opsluzuju avione<br />aerodrome. Iz Srbskog sam roda, ali moj narod je od Sydney-a, Beograda, do Ancorage, Johannesburg-a, Tokyo,<br />Dallas-a, Shangai-a, Toulluse-a, Ria...<br />Svuda je moj narod gde strobe light para nebesa i tockovi ljube piste. Kada bi imao nacina znanja i snage da bar malo pomognem razmenom mojeg svedocenja letova od iznad 3.5mil.km.<br />rada u QANTAS-u i neprestalnim druzenjima sa mnogo iznad 130 aerodromima i priblizno 50 godina izmedju Polarisa i Juznog Krsta. Kako voleti ljude i kompanije, postovati i biti <br />srecan sa sobom, prenositi na druge pa<br />spontano sluziti avijaciji. Na ovome pociva komercijalna avijacija. Ko ovo ne prihvata promasio je posao na aerodromu. Ako me nagrdite zbog ovakvog teksta, necu vam zamerit. Okrenucu i drugi obraz. <br />Rodney Marinkovic, AME. KVO/SYD.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60419327903191459392014-02-27T17:26:41.025+01:002014-02-27T17:26:41.025+01:00Article says "Air Serbia Corporate Travel Ser...Article says "Air Serbia Corporate Travel Services". Does "Corporate" mean they also plan to offer private jet charters or some other corporate services in the future?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-86768831722357050572014-02-27T17:24:17.093+01:002014-02-27T17:24:17.093+01:00There are no indications things are moving in a lo...There are no indications things are moving in a low cost direction. Service changes will and should happen, but not in the low cost direction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-87390910212781182332014-02-27T17:09:54.980+01:002014-02-27T17:09:54.980+01:00Criticism is awesome! It helps improve the service...Criticism is awesome! It helps improve the service. For example, if customer had a nasty check-in experience and complained to airline about it, airline could then use it to make changes to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Criticizing an airline for lack of online and mobile check-in gives them an opportunity to change reservation system and implement online/mobile check-in in the future, so customers will all benefit from criticism.<br /><br />Complaining about some other things, such as investor’s contract or low load factor is not really a criticism, it just another load of FUD as it doesn’t affect customer’s experience. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-47923923523218232702014-02-27T17:07:13.323+01:002014-02-27T17:07:13.323+01:00Izdate dozvole Turcima i Grcima za čarter saobraća...Izdate dozvole Turcima i Grcima za čarter saobraćaj.<br /><br />Zaključak- šut s rogatim ne može<br /><br />http://www.aviokarta.net/vesti/2313-izdate-dozvole-turskim-i-grckim-carter-prevoznicima/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60599146444357497722014-02-27T17:02:42.372+01:002014-02-27T17:02:42.372+01:00An interesting thing I noticed is that Air Serbia ...An interesting thing I noticed is that Air Serbia has some lucrative mail and cargo contracts. <br />I will give you two good examples:<br /><br />1. The reason why the early afternoon flight to Podgorica is operated with the A319 and not an Atr is not because there is passenger demand (ok, not primarily for that reason) but because of cargo demand. You can't imagine the amount of cargo that is loaded into that aircraft. Another interesting thing is that the Austrian diplomatic mail travels between Vienna and Podgorica on Air Serbia via Belgrade and not directly on YM or OS. <br /><br />2. Another interesting contract Air Serbia has is with the Slovenian government. In addition to Ljubljana flights being full (return flight today had one empty seat) the airline also carries roughly 500 kilos of top priority mail heading to London. <br /><br />All of these are generating some nice extra income for the airline.Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-34525391212860166022014-02-27T16:54:24.055+01:002014-02-27T16:54:24.055+01:00Doot, thank you, you got it! That's the essenc...Doot, thank you, you got it! That's the essence of the deal benefit in a couple of easy to understand sentences, awesome!<br /><br />Last year, there were opinions on JAT's liabilities and capital to determine JAT's value in this deal. However JAT's market value was essentially zero as over time, JAT's assets became toxic, so any rational accounting valuation was irrelevant. Airline business is international in nature and JAT's reputation, brand value and reports of corruption and political influences kept foreign investors away. No serious investor would touch JAT and government kept pumping large sums of money to keep it artificially alive. Having a buyer for JAT with a public contract that's "good" for the government would be as ridicoulous as having a "good" public contract with a buyer for subprime mortgage products in US in the fall of 2008! Once you have toxic assets, you have to make some painful cuts, deal with the costs and start anew with a clean slate. That is the essence of what is the (re)birth of Air Serbia. Outcome so far has far better than keeping that economic zombie that JAT was in it's final years alive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-21050240566116368502014-02-27T16:50:11.910+01:002014-02-27T16:50:11.910+01:00If you see the amount of luggage Balkan people bri...If you see the amount of luggage Balkan people bring with them, you would understand. Many regional destinations which are operated with the Atr suffer because because of this. <br />Quite a lot of these regional passengers are connecting from intercontinental flights and their carry-ons do not fit in the overhead compartment. This is forcing Air Serbia to place them in the baggage hold which is small as it is. As a result, many bags are off-loaded which causes problems for both the passengers and the airline. <br />Back in the day when the loads were lighter this could be dealt with. Today the situation is different. Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-90244667098098468932014-02-27T16:42:55.797+01:002014-02-27T16:42:55.797+01:00I cannot skip the new baggage policy that Air Ser...I cannot skip the new baggage policy that Air Serbia introduced. There is something in marketing called unique selling proposition. And thats what JU had. It was amoung the reason why many ppl chose JU over LH or OS or TK. Ppl did not really think about the baggage when travelling to or from BEG. Now things are different. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com