tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post2352724452098719656..comments2024-03-28T21:16:25.486+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: JAT’s 1998 Airbus order cancelledEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-38849001733914312022014-03-13T04:45:53.183+01:002014-03-13T04:45:53.183+01:00War mongering of Tudjman and couple more people wa...War mongering of Tudjman and couple more people was what was next after that nobody can't beat you...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-48574626155577056522014-03-12T13:39:01.349+01:002014-03-12T13:39:01.349+01:00Dude, for the record, I work for one of the major ...Dude, for the record, I work for one of the major aircraft leasing companies in the world. Hence, I know how these things get cut. As for your common sense and your aviation knowledge - seeing aircraft arrive and take off doesn't count ... You should also avoid posting comments when your English is so abysmal .. write it in Serbo-Croat if you cannot articulate it in English because you come across as such a retard. And one other thing to add, since you are such an aviation expert - Airbus had a legally binding agreement with the Govt of Serbia for them to purchase aircraft. The fact that they didn't move forward with the order, could have cost the Serbian taxpayer dearly - somewhere in the vicinity of $600m for breach of contract. And still, they wouldn't have had any new aircraft. I actually don't care one way or the other about EY or JU - but I can tell you this, you should be kissing EY's arse for getting the Govt of Serbia off the hook. Had they not have come in and used their leverage to retrieve not only the PDP's, but to have Airbus agree to withdrawing their legal suit against the Govt, then all Serb taxpayers would be paying for this .... What a major lottery ticket win for the Govt and Serbian taxpayers ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-48718921572341503642014-03-11T21:39:32.250+01:002014-03-11T21:39:32.250+01:00Oh really? And you are the legal consultant of Air...Oh really? And you are the legal consultant of Airbus and Boeing or what? There are different ways of handling aircraft orders! You know. What for did Airbus negotiate about with the former government if this was a non-refundable prepayment???? If the deal with 170 million € taxpayers money ( that's what the bill is one Serbian side) the people have right to know about the agreement and contract signed with Etihad. I just know that Mr. Hogan is washed with all waters and just ask any Air Berlin employee what dirty tricks they use to squeeze out the money out of the company! I am not a hater, not a former JAT employee, just someone with common sense and some knowledge about aviation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-8800244898380033562014-03-11T19:42:44.924+01:002014-03-11T19:42:44.924+01:00Majmun no. 2 - read the above response to anon at ...Majmun no. 2 - read the above response to anon at 2.20pm ... the only thing that you should be "convinced" of, is the shite that you are talking .... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-75837591564150524592014-03-11T17:12:00.860+01:002014-03-11T17:12:00.860+01:00You are such a majmun ... Airbus nor Boeing do NOT...You are such a majmun ... Airbus nor Boeing do NOT refund PDP's.. once paid, that's it .. you either go with the order or you lose your money - simple as that. There is no refund. So your assertion about EY using the airbus money to fund the initial operation of JU, is the sort of talk that comes out of the mental hospital ... I suggest you get back in there before you do harm to yourself ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1016117625419653712014-03-11T16:30:32.424+01:002014-03-11T16:30:32.424+01:00We will see how much money Air Serbia will "b...We will see how much money Air Serbia will "burn" with load factors of 53-54%, aircraft and crews leased. As far as I am concerned I am convinced that the money for the "investment" is taken from the Airbus deal and later the losses will be covered from the airport concession given to ETIHAD. I would stress out, that if the SNS government hands out the airport without tender to the Arabs, this would be a breach of several laws and a major scandal. I am sure that many international companies would be interested in Belgrade Airport, so there should be a fair and transparent tender process! By the way the airport is profitable and fills the budget of the Republic, but we Serbs love to sell a cow to be able to buy milk. Think about it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-70398504803440869672014-03-11T15:03:55.404+01:002014-03-11T15:03:55.404+01:00Jat was always subsidised by the Yugoslav governme...Jat was always subsidised by the Yugoslav government and I'm not sure that it was ever profitable. <br /><br />In saying that, it was probably never meant to be profitable like many state airlines at that time. Q400https://www.blogger.com/profile/01360181035451529855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-67154773314033251122014-03-11T14:32:08.434+01:002014-03-11T14:32:08.434+01:00Even the hedge fund principle is better than pure ...Even the hedge fund principle is better than pure money burning - which was the core principle of Jat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-69410683603057678902014-03-11T14:20:44.083+01:002014-03-11T14:20:44.083+01:00Well we know that ETIHAD's "investment&qu...Well we know that ETIHAD's "investment" so far is like 40 million $ and "support" and "supervision" of Air Serbia. I could bet that the 40 millions are exactly those from the Airbus-deal that our negotiators were not able to get back (with some interest rates of course). So if you ask me, Mr. Hogan has invested exactly ZERO ETIHAD's own money into the Air Serbia project. And now you can call me trol ! That's what they did with Air Berlin who is forced to sell the "chairs under their employees" asses in order to pay back the loan they have received from ETIHAD. ETIHAD works under the hedgefonds principle. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-44787152176617787752014-03-11T12:20:10.594+01:002014-03-11T12:20:10.594+01:00Well, Jat was still offering some possibilities wi...Well, Jat was still offering some possibilities with Deutch Bahn, not dedicated trains, but when buying Jat ticket you could buy a DB train ticket.<br />http://www.airserbia.com/en/home/main_menu/special_offer/avionom_i_vozom.html<br />Don't know if it still exists.<br />I think AF is also doing something along those lines, if I remember correctly there is a TGV from CDG to Brussels.vasingtonskverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17516332075636978366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-44702248555358314572014-03-11T10:40:21.909+01:002014-03-11T10:40:21.909+01:00Mozemo da shvatimo (izuzev ko ne moze ili nece) da...Mozemo da shvatimo (izuzev ko ne moze ili nece) da je AIR SERBIA kupila <br />10 Erbasa nove generacije kroz dill ETIHAD AIRWAYS-a sa proizvodjacem Airbus-a. Posto se ponesto razumem u avio inzenjering, letenje, aerodrome..., lepo bi bilo kada bih neko izracunao po kojoj ceni bi drzava Srbija platila avione da nije Etihada. Dali je razlika veca od 25 mil. evra za 10 Erbasa NEO. Svako zna ko je u svetu komercijalnog vazduhoplovsva da je suvlasnik AIR SERBIA i (mnogih drugih) ETIHAD vlasnik vise od 100 Erbasovih aviona. Taj broj raste. Vas koji ste se uplasili da<br />novac poreskih obaveznika Srbije ne prisvoji, izmanipulisu ili... Arapi. Stose toga tice, mene okupiraju misli da mi vracamo dugove koje dobijamo na vreme, do zadnje cente. Da ljudi u Srbiji<br />se UVEK trude da budu LJUDI. Sto se Arapa tice, u ovom i mnogim drugim kappa dole njima sa svima koji drzi do etike, profita, odnosa, digniteta. Slobodna nam je volja, a ona nam daje<br />mogucnost izbora da budemo ljudi. Uz pozdrav budimo iskreni, trudimo se...<br />Rod. Marinkovic, AME. Kraljevo/Griffith Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81547286859387231312014-03-11T03:16:41.874+01:002014-03-11T03:16:41.874+01:00Belgrade airport should first add some more bus ga...Belgrade airport should first add some more bus gates before Air Serbia even considers adding more Atrs. The current two are definitely not enough. If there is no space under the A gates then maybe they should consider adding some under the C ones?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-46734682685316056392014-03-11T02:14:05.185+01:002014-03-11T02:14:05.185+01:00"Even Tarom has 9 ATRs."
TAROM is twic..."Even Tarom has 9 ATRs." <br /><br />TAROM is twice as big as JU. So it is not "even Tarom", but JU goal can be to come to TAROM level in near future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-73405010230357104142014-03-11T02:02:13.472+01:002014-03-11T02:02:13.472+01:00Purger nije tako što izjavio. On je i na Al Jazeer...Purger nije tako što izjavio. On je i na Al Jazeeri izjavio da će Etihad štititi Jat (još se nije znalo da će se zvati Air Serbia) i da će rješiti porudžbinu A319 unutar svoje velike kupnje. Nakon toga je spominjao i zaštitu pred Lufthansom i da se više neće moći desiti da LH natjera JU da prekine neki let ili konekciju.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-6951081574323838252014-03-11T00:03:39.625+01:002014-03-11T00:03:39.625+01:00Dare to dream! I was at Dubai Airport in early 80&...Dare to dream! I was at Dubai Airport in early 80's when it was primarily a refueling stop for Europe-Asia-Australia flights. They dared to dream, a lot of people said "how dare they!" and look at Dubai and Emirates now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-31757470785675699162014-03-10T23:00:22.053+01:002014-03-10T23:00:22.053+01:00In perfect situation Air Serbia would need at leas...In perfect situation Air Serbia would need at least 10 ATR`s to completely fulfill its business strategy to become a true transit oriented regional leader.<br /><br />It would be deployed on:<br /><br />- Vienna<br />- Sofia<br />- Varna<br />- Skopje<br />- Banja Luka<br />- Sarajevo<br />- Ljubljana<br />- Thessaloniki<br />- Budapest<br />- Bucharest (if not on A319)<br /><br />By applying the same schedule to all regional routes with early morning arrivals to BEG prior to the first departure rush, they will manage to feed the morning rush hour and tremendously improve they LF.<br /><br />I believe JU management is aware of it... Hopefully they manage to lease more ATR`s...<br /><br />As Nemjee said, sending B733 to regional routes is partially responsible for low LF.<br /><br />Hopefully we see improvement in the upcoming monthsAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14116006562772828698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-57200535598701153512014-03-10T22:57:08.732+01:002014-03-10T22:57:08.732+01:00Thanks for the replies- sounds very professional.
...Thanks for the replies- sounds very professional.<br />i know that Lufthansa offers such service 4 many flights 2 and from Frankfurt, probably other cities as well... might b they copied it from JAT.<br />but a nice story anyway, + didnt know that Zagreb used to have intercontinental connections back then... different story nowadays :( Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-22466883386449962162014-03-10T22:41:56.576+01:002014-03-10T22:41:56.576+01:00@Anon 6:30PM
No, this is the 16:30-17:30 bank. Or...@Anon 6:30PM<br /><br />No, this is the 16:30-17:30 bank. Originally the 330F from Misrata was supposed to pick-up the cargo around that time but the A330-300 took it in the morning instead.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56803636542026457382014-03-10T21:59:10.694+01:002014-03-10T21:59:10.694+01:00^Sorry I am losing my patience, but do you really ...^Sorry I am losing my patience, but do you really think I am so stupid that I see no difference between those leading airlines and JU? I only notice that JU is trying to implement a similar business model as those airlines, but on a tiny scale compared to those. Have you not noticed that JU is now trying to be a transit airline, or are you so blind? <br /><br />Stop trying to instruct others to see "reality". I don't need your advice. The reality is that JU is trying to become a transit airline for South East Europe, and if you cannot see it, I don't know what to say to you. Whenever anyone says anything good about JU (yes, there are a few good things), people like you must attack it so others may know that JU is the worst airline ever. Worst than all other airlines, including all other Ex-Yu carriers and even worse than the old JAT. <br /><br />We are fans of JU, and what are you? You have so much time that you "will keep commenting on how some people DARE" compare Air Serbia to Lufthansa, etc. Do you really have so much time? Mate, your life is so sad if you have nothing better to do. aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-10835216403767738272014-03-10T21:33:47.894+01:002014-03-10T21:33:47.894+01:00I will remain fascinated and will keep commenting ...I will remain fascinated and will keep commenting on how some people here DARE comparing Air Serbia with Lufthansa, AIr France, KLM, Delta and United, or Belgrade airport with Frankfurt, London or Singapore.<br />Comm'on Aleksandre, maybie you are really good and positive guy, but some more common sense and a touch of feeling for reality, that's definitely what you lack...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-43330786546222111982014-03-10T20:55:53.041+01:002014-03-10T20:55:53.041+01:00JU was doomed either way. If Etihad didn't sig...JU was doomed either way. If Etihad didn't sign the deal, I seriously doubt JAT would be flying now, unless the government sunk millions of dollars in another futile attempt to keep it. aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-567164345472769942014-03-10T20:51:43.477+01:002014-03-10T20:51:43.477+01:00I think that in the long term, ATRs are really imp...I think that in the long term, ATRs are really important because they allow for greater frequency and more flexibility with destinations. They are also important because they are needed to feed any longhaul flights JU might do in the future. Tarom has a good system with their 9 ATRs. <br /><br />Every good transit airline has good regional feeds.<br />Lufthansa- Lufthansa Regional<br />Delta- Delta Connection<br />Air Canada- Air Canada Express<br />United/Continental- United Express<br />Alitalia- Alitalia Citylinter<br />Air France- HOP!<br />KLM-KLM Cityhopper<br /><br />Air Serbia needs more ATRs to feed the hub if they want to become a serious regional transit airline. Five ATRs aren't enough. They need at least 10+. Even Tarom has 9 ATRs. <br />aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-26091177870235632012014-03-10T20:41:21.425+01:002014-03-10T20:41:21.425+01:00Probably for JAT Tehnika. They get their maintenan...Probably for JAT Tehnika. They get their maintenance done there. aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60712423294859428682014-03-10T20:30:53.434+01:002014-03-10T20:30:53.434+01:00OT:
Does anybody know what is Transaero 737 doin...OT: <br /><br />Does anybody know what is Transaero 737 doing in BEG right now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1199255928881729192014-03-10T20:19:21.102+01:002014-03-10T20:19:21.102+01:00Well, they can make much more money with the A320s...Well, they can make much more money with the A320s, that is on the routes where they can fill them. This will free up some A319s which will be used on routes where Atrs could be deployed (SKP, SKG...). Since we are talking about the summer season here, filling the A319 on regional routes should not be a problem.Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.com