tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post2940478026363302219..comments2024-03-28T21:42:14.831+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Air Serbia considering US and Canada flightsEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-659795340957103452015-03-08T18:45:54.576+01:002015-03-08T18:45:54.576+01:00@AnonymousMarch 8, 2015 at 8:55 AM
I know what he...@AnonymousMarch 8, 2015 at 8:55 AM<br /><br />I know what he is saying, but i have replied that loosing few k in ex-Yu is totally irrelavant considering Airlines (OU's) core passangers are from the EU, not ex-YU, i'e only small portion of overall number are ex-yu travelers, less than 250 000, most are EU nationals, some 1.25 million in 2014, and around 1.4 million are expected this year. <br /><br />You go where the money is, not where you think money might be, WizzAir is already doing that in Skpj, SJJ.... no point competing with LCCs that get massive subsidies, just concentrate on core business, especially now that Recession is on. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-68256356401208809222015-03-08T08:55:57.438+01:002015-03-08T08:55:57.438+01:00Dude... what Purger wanted to say is that JU is sl...Dude... what Purger wanted to say is that JU is slowly pushing OU out of different markets and the most notable one is SKP which is performing catastrophically.<br /><br />As for JU in ZAG, the flights are doing fine. This February the average loadfactor was 59.8% which is fantastic given the poor night traffic. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-67293677317714098642015-03-07T17:03:32.254+01:002015-03-07T17:03:32.254+01:00yeeeeee that's more like ityeeeeee that's more like itAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-88085389140443993722015-03-07T16:10:02.042+01:002015-03-07T16:10:02.042+01:00@PurgerMarch 7, 2015 at 11:18 AM
You're now t...@PurgerMarch 7, 2015 at 11:18 AM<br /><br />You're now talking 16000 pax lost to Belgrade and Skopje, sorry but that is just silly, I'd be worried if OU lost 200 000, but when you start talking figures of 16-20 000 pax per year that is all with in tolerance and market fluctuation, actually 100 000 is with in market fluctuation. <br /><br />OU to remind you in 2013 had what 1.75 million pax, in 2014 1.825 million, with same number of flights/operations. Now this is what I consider a market fluctuation, even if OU transported 2.0 million which is expected to do this year, I'd consider this market fluctuation cause OU already transported same number of passengers in 2012.<br /><br />A Real growth would be 2.25 million+ anything above, for than I can say ok with so many number of flights airline had this number of pax. This would be considered a growth, but as things are any new carrier that comes to Zagreb and or Croatia and if it doesn't take more than 5% of the market isn't really denting the market, only creating more offers, to remind you OU's share of Croatian market is 27%, and mostly foreign passports flew with OU in 2012, 2013 and 2014 and same trend is seen this year, so far, Croatian passport holders representing 15% of the OU's business. <br /><br />When you start to add Croatian market potential and bring it to the western standards say Austria which has very similar air transport infrastructure map and diversity, than you get the idea where Croatian air travel market can be and eventually will be, also when you add number of pax per aircraft example Austrian has and implement on OU, you get the real market potential, right now OU is small fish, with 2 million pax barely has any impact on Croatian market let alone EU market, same goes for all the regional carriers, OU should be carrying 3+ million to be even halfway of what Western Carriers carry per plane, (i am referring to utilization of each aircraft and productivity). <br /><br />So Air Serbia in my mind is a small fish in a big ocean, if they ever get a go ahead for intercontinental flights, this is big if, than sure they might have something to offer to someone who lives in Osijek, but Zagreb, Split and Dubrovnik are really well connected with western Europe for them to really matter if AS has intercontinental flights. KLM, Air France, Austrian, Lufthansa, BA, Swiss, SAS, Iberia all of whom have far better and larger network of destinations and offer better service, and are cheaper too. <br /><br />I think you're panicking too much Purrger, the only way to develop a market conditions in Croatia is to bring in more carriers and create a demand, this demand can be created only if Zagreb and Croatia start to produce something relevant and are competitive enough to attract significant FDI, which Croatia is doing now, Croatia attracts more FDI than entire ex-YU combined, but should be attracting twice as much and largely in to Greenfield, Brownfield and manufacturing sectors. <br /><br />With investments you'll see increase in business travel and thus more pax for Zagreb, OU must change and allow for business class on its planes, all A319s should provide for at least 8 businesses class seats from next year on, as economy recovers more and more business travelers will come to Zagreb and Croatia in general, OU must offer better choice of seats and packages. Average Business travelers will spend twice as much per seat, this is where OU should be looking to make more money, potential they've failed to utilize so far. <br /><br />Anyways, you get the idea where I am coming from. <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-11171012125695514242015-03-07T11:18:51.613+01:002015-03-07T11:18:51.613+01:00I also don't find that these 2 flights per wee...I also don't find that these 2 flights per week in Zagreb is such a big treat. Not also in Split. But when you combine that all it is Air Serbia that stole some passengers from Croatia<br />- few thousands in Zagreb<br />- few thousands in Split<br />- few thousands in Dubrovnik<br />- few thousands in Sarajevo<br />- few thousands in Skopje<br />- few thousands in Banja Luka (most of them flew from ZAG before)<br />- few thousands in Pula<br />- few thousands in Slavonia (with car to BEG instead to ZAG)<br />- few thousands in Boka Kotorska (lot of them flew from DBV before)<br /><br />Let me just remind you about Skopje example. Last year Air Serbia in Skopje attracted 16.000 more passengers. Croatia, Adria and Austrian lost 15.000. Get a point?<br /><br />And then it is not so small deal. What when there will be long-haul. They will stole even more. Less passengers will fly with Croatia via MUC, FRA, VIE, ZRH, BRU, LHR, CDG, AMS…<br />Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-25480879480299911162015-03-07T08:57:43.629+01:002015-03-07T08:57:43.629+01:00Air Serbia has officially introduced the A319 to S...Air Serbia has officially introduced the A319 to Sofia, it's loaded into the system as three times per week. <br /><br />This is just the beginning of some exciting news. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-72999762649614387842015-03-07T06:18:22.992+01:002015-03-07T06:18:22.992+01:00He decoded it himself:
- something is SIMPLY late
...He decoded it himself:<br />- something is SIMPLY late<br />- this 'simply something' MUST BE the reason there are still no A330 or their longhaul flights<br />- new RUMOURS are, it will happen in late 2015<br /><br />So, we have something that simply must be - and it is backed up by new rumours. This is how the Inssbruck Formula works.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-31007536343963363122015-03-07T02:44:07.236+01:002015-03-07T02:44:07.236+01:00few grammar/misplaced typo in my reply to you abov...few grammar/misplaced typo in my reply to you above, as never look what i type, couldn't see what i type till i finished and posted my reply, but you can figure out what i am tying to say. <br /><br />repost :<br /><br /><br />What air Serbia is doing is highly risky strategy at least from past experiences never worked and always ended up with airline going bust, as soon as tap started to run dry. We live in the 21st century, airlines can no longer afford to live off the state subsidies and must change. <br /><br />Croatian Airlines, LOT and other airlines in the EU have and are learning this the hard way, they must change and must adopt to new market conditions, earn money and be commercially viable. <br /><br />Air Serbia on the other hand from the latest financial report received what $90 million in subsidies in 2014 to keep it going, this simply isn't affordable for Serbia which is facing deep economic crisis with no end in sight. <br /><br />As to Zagreb and Air Serbia harming Croatian market, I have no idea what you're talking about Purger, EasyJet has more passengers in one year out of Split alone than Air Serbia had out of entire Croatia since they've launched flights to Croatia. <br /><br />How can that harm Zagreb or OU is beyond me, Air Serbia has no market share in Croatia and despite them dumping prices they have little to offer. Most Croats who travel today travel with major airlines such as Lufthansa and EasyJet, Croatian Airlines barely transported 1.82 million in 2014, out of 6.8 million passengers in Croatia, less than 27% of market share and this %g will only get smaller in 2015, 16, 17.... <br /><br />I am not worried about Air Serbia or fear they might take few more passengers from EasyJet or some other carrier, for most Croatian travelers have many choices, Lufthansa, Air France, Austrian, Swiss, EasyJet, RyanAir, KLM, BA, OU.... <br /><br />Vast majority of travelers out of Zagreb fly to western Europe, only small %g of passengers fly to eastern destinations and Turkish, Qatar and FlyDubai all contribute with far better network of destinations than air Serbia could ever hope to achieve, so I don't know how AS can be a threat to OU when OU isn't even flying to these parts. <br /><br />If you're arguing that Belgrade might take spot from Zagreb as a regional hub, I really don't think you need to worry about that either, regional hub for Croats and Slovens is Frankfurt, London and Paris, so your assumptions hold no water there either. <br /><br />As more carriers come to Zagreb, there'll be ever greater choice of destinations, this can only benefit Croatian travelers with lower prices for all concerned, which ultimately is what we all want. <br /><br /><br />PS, forgot to mention, but out of Zagreb only 350 000 OU travelers were Croatian passport holders, this should be telling you something, the vast majority were from Germany, the UK and Benelux. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-21166759976490422482015-03-07T02:31:08.729+01:002015-03-07T02:31:08.729+01:00Gospodine OU ima ozbiljnu pretnju od OS-JU i ostal...Gospodine OU ima ozbiljnu pretnju od OS-JU i ostalih Star alliance prijatelja i sve nove Aviokompanije uzimaju putnike od CTN i sve ce uzimati vise u narednim godinama.<br />INN-NSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1950355044530144732015-03-07T02:19:09.125+01:002015-03-07T02:19:09.125+01:00@PurgerMarch 7, 2015 at 12:14 AM
Purger, first o...@PurgerMarch 7, 2015 at 12:14 AM<br /><br /><br />Purger, first of you can artificially grow everything, including the demand, question is what happens when bubble bursts?!??<br /><br /><br />What air Serbia is doing is highly ridsy strategy that at least from past experiences never works and always ends up with airline going bust, as soon as tap starts to run dry. We live in a 21st century, state airlines no longer can afford to live off subsidies and must change, Croatian Airlines, LOT and other airlines in the EU have and are learning this the hard way, they must change and must adopt to new market conditions, earn money and be commercially viable, some Air Serbia isn't as evident from latest financial reports, airline received what $90 million in subsidies in 2014 to keep it going, this simply isn't affordable for Serbia which is facing deep economic crisis with no end in sight, uncommunicative economy and low productivity. <br /><br />As to Zagreb and Air Serbia harming Croatian market, I have no idea what you're talking about Purger, EasyJet has more passengers in one year out of Split alone than Air Serbia had out of entire Croatia since they've launched flights to Croatia. <br /><br />How can that harm Zagreb or OU is beyond me, Air Serbia has no market share in Croatia and despite them dumping prices they have little to offer. Most Croats who travel today travel with major airlines such as Lufthansa and EasyJet, Croatian Airlines barely transported 1.82 million in 2014, out of 6.8 million passengers in Croatia, less than 27% of market share and this %g will only get smaller in 2015, 16, 17.... <br /><br />I am not worried about Air Serbia or fear they might take few more passengers from EasyJet or some other carrier, for most Croatian travelers have many choices, Lufthansa, Air France, Austrian, Swiss, EasyJet, RyanAir, KLM, BA, OU.... <br /><br />Vast majority of travelers out of Zagreb fly to western Europe, only small %g of passengers fly to eastern destinations and Turkish, Qatar and FlyDubai all contribute with far better network of destinations than air Serbia could ever hope to achieve, so I don't know how AS can be a threat to OU when OU isn't even flying to these parts. <br /><br />If you're arguing that Belgrade might take spot from Zagreb as a regional hub, I really don't think you need to worry about that either, regional hub for Croats and Slovens is Frankfurt, London and Paris, so your assumptions hold no water there either. <br /><br />As more carriers come to Zagreb, there'll be ever greater choice of destinations, this can only benefit Croatian travelers with lower prices for all concerned, which ultimately is what we all want. <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-20993466723372212212015-03-07T02:14:48.526+01:002015-03-07T02:14:48.526+01:00^ I couldn't decipher your Innsbruck formula. ...^ I couldn't decipher your Innsbruck formula. How did you do it anonymous 8:00?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-90739039012107414772015-03-07T00:14:39.403+01:002015-03-07T00:14:39.403+01:00You mean it is impossible to artificially grow tra...You mean it is impossible to artificially grow traffic like it was with Turkish in just 10 years, or with Air Baltic, Lufthansa in Munich, Etihad, Emirates, Qatar, Hainan, IndiGo…<br /><br />And you want to say that this unreal grow of Air Serbia will not have harm to Zagreb? Even if it is based on dumping, financed by Serbia, doesn't meter. That will kill connections via ZAG and routes which were connected. Like Turkish kill so many companies including Lufthansa. And look just example of MEB3 what they did. The same shit will happened on our little region from Air Serbia, most harm will be on ZAG.<br /><br />In about this nice economic results in Croatia which shows light on end of tunnel. Yes, sure, maybe someone will believe that on this blog but I live here so don't tell me those nonsense please.<br />Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-38840378744700063042015-03-06T23:02:22.679+01:002015-03-06T23:02:22.679+01:00No one responded to my question, so I have to conc...No one responded to my question, so I have to conclude: unfortunately nothing has changed since the last time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-17014019056837081502015-03-06T22:59:36.843+01:002015-03-06T22:59:36.843+01:00Nije doslo do problema nego jednostavno nesto kasn...Nije doslo do problema nego jednostavno nesto kasni i sigurno zbog toga kasne letovi a sad su glasine da treba doci predkraj godine.<br />INN-NSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-37166863127034474232015-03-06T22:53:30.661+01:002015-03-06T22:53:30.661+01:00I see what you are getting at. If there were other...I see what you are getting at. If there were other discrepancies regarding Air Serbia announcements between the two I would find it easier to believe your point. Other than PRN announcement that Mali made last year, I did not notice many significant discrepancies, and PRN delay was most likely political decision outside of both Mali and Kondic's scope.<br /><br />If, on the other hand, Mali promised outrageous things like 20 new planes, or flights to Australia or China or something else that Air Serbia officially never mentioned, I would take it as a hot air and trying to score cheap political points. North America flights are a common theme whether it comes from Hogan, Mali or Kondic. There's no discrepancy there, so it's unlikely they would keep pushing this item if probability for USA/Canada was very low.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-89580548458743598532015-03-06T22:20:59.281+01:002015-03-06T22:20:59.281+01:00I read todays post. Kondic didn't confirm it -...I read todays post. Kondic didn't confirm it - he spoke about it with lot if's, very conditionally, and as a remote possibility. Mali is politician, faithful to his boss, he has absolutely no knowledge about civil aviation, and would say just anything to collect few more political points. Enough for me ! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-27707462259682060472015-03-06T22:14:17.425+01:002015-03-06T22:14:17.425+01:00you make no sense whatsoever.Like please read your...you make no sense whatsoever.Like please read your reasons and post something that would make sense. It is not that hard to start schedule flights to USA and Canada. Belgrade airport has done it with way older and smaller facilities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-44280014192260915262015-03-06T20:00:11.485+01:002015-03-06T20:00:11.485+01:00Ako sam dobro povezao tvoju Innsbruck formulu, A33...Ako sam dobro povezao tvoju Innsbruck formulu, A330 nije počeo ovog meseca da leti za Kinu jer je došlo do problema sa američkom dozvolom? To si rekao? Čini mi se da jesi.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-11285475540229295942015-03-06T19:28:30.533+01:002015-03-06T19:28:30.533+01:00*softly chuckles*
Yet another deluxe outburst tha...*softly chuckles*<br /><br />Yet another deluxe outburst that I can save to my personal archive. aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-84431346801262865962015-03-06T19:27:06.917+01:002015-03-06T19:27:06.917+01:00Of course unemployment fell, all unemployed people...Of course unemployment fell, all unemployed people left... the same scenario that occurred in Romania back in 2008.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-39880714001026618452015-03-06T19:18:25.066+01:002015-03-06T19:18:25.066+01:00@PurgerMarch 6, 2015 at 1:10 PM
Come on Purger, y...@PurgerMarch 6, 2015 at 1:10 PM<br /><br />Come on Purger, you can sometimes talk real nonsense, this is how real world works, if you have a great idea, and you know how to sell it with a great business plan than you're in for a bright future, you can't buy pax with dumping prices and offering all sorts of nonsense that doesn't work in long run, it never does, history is our witness. <br /><br />What Zagreb management is doing is smart and measured approach, attract many EU based carriers create a demand and market, in conjunction with Zagreb Tourism Board, Croatian Chamber of Commerce and Croatian Government things should slowly start to move for the better. <br /><br />Croatia recorded high rate of growth in exports, industrial production, employment is on the rise and unemployment is falling first time since 2009, and GDP grew for the first time since late 2008, not forgetting FDI also showing significant increase in 2014, $1.7 billion, in year of recession these are remarkable result, Croatia is finally building a macroeconomic picture that will ensure if pursued great results in coming years, with export dominated economy and not based solely on Turisam and trinkets, Croatia must have a sold industrial base, with these exports will grow and with that investments and business opportunities, which in fact generate growth for all, including Zagreb airport. <br /><br />This is how you build a stable future based on economic principles and stable macroeconomic base. What others are dong Purger is their business, you can't be critical of things if you barely understand the basics, you got to look at the bigger picture and being critical of Zagreb and OU is really false negative, there are reasons why OU and Zagreb airport are doing stuff they're doing, sure OU could do a lot better but for the first time this airline in its history is making a commercial profits, after all liberties are included airline has made a remarkable turnaround. <br /><br />If you going to talk about airline business plz understand one basic economic principle, supply & demand, once you understand that principle you'll understand why and what and who,. <br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-80211937545467641662015-03-06T19:12:21.721+01:002015-03-06T19:12:21.721+01:00Admin, please delete 7:00 PM comment, it's ins...Admin, please delete 7:00 PM comment, it's insulting and unnecessary!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-10203132013414678522015-03-06T18:48:20.858+01:002015-03-06T18:48:20.858+01:00Ali ovaj cirilicni hrvatski je za LoL i RoflAli ovaj cirilicni hrvatski je za LoL i Rofllalanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-82676638144964762412015-03-06T18:24:52.362+01:002015-03-06T18:24:52.362+01:00@ Anonymous
March 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM
Sve, sve...a...@ Anonymous<br />March 6, 2015 at 1:54 PM<br /><br />Sve, sve...ali kad se krene sa lupetanjima kako BEG ne može da primi širokotrupne avione...<br /><br />Kada su takvi avioni u pitanju, onda se koriste udvojeni gejtovi C1 i C2, C3 i C4 i gejtovi C5 i C6. Trebalo bi da se radi segregacija putnika po redovima tako da se sa neparnih gejtova pune zadnji delovi aviona, a sa parnih prednji. Tada se parkiranje vrši na pozicije C1A, C3A i C5A.<br />http://www.beobuild.rs/forum/viewtopic.php?p=320863#p320863 Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-37007456631141834562015-03-06T18:22:18.965+01:002015-03-06T18:22:18.965+01:00C gates can take them but a widebody needs two air...C gates can take them but a widebody needs two airbridges which reduces the airpor's capacity a lot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com