tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post3453135492197279429..comments2024-03-28T19:35:16.173+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Adria and Ljubljana awaiting new ownersEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-62355895430225124972013-11-18T10:44:15.397+01:002013-11-18T10:44:15.397+01:00lol, LJU-MUC-GVA is the way to golol, LJU-MUC-GVA is the way to goAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-71913915508207794842013-11-18T09:16:56.749+01:002013-11-18T09:16:56.749+01:00Purger, I remember when you wrote in June that Eti...Purger, I remember when you wrote in June that Etihad gave Jat the "Hladan tus" and that they won't purchase Jat and here we are now. So I take all your comments with reserve,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-33508479746851220542013-11-18T09:15:13.203+01:002013-11-18T09:15:13.203+01:00It really makes me wonder if they are actually man...It really makes me wonder if they are actually managing to fill all those flights. Even though Emirates is sending its A380 to Rome it is not that full, the compensate by healthy cargo loads. That could be one of the reasons why Etihad will also expand its feed in Rome and Zurich. <br />Yes, Zurich is very high yielding but with so many airlines fighting for a medium sized market someone ought to lose. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-16657047098534245622013-11-18T08:18:03.872+01:002013-11-18T08:18:03.872+01:00btw EY will start with AUH-ZRH flights as of 01JUN...btw EY will start with AUH-ZRH flights as of 01JUN14 and Darwin will switch its hub to ZRH to feed EY ZRH flights. it will still maintain its LUG and GVA flights tough.<br />As per 01JAN EK will upgrade 1 daily 773 to A388 in ZRH and now this EY leg. <br /><br />JU520 BEGLAXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-25899525362979500112013-11-18T07:56:12.326+01:002013-11-18T07:56:12.326+01:00' LJU-BEG-AUH will still remain the most direc...' LJU-BEG-AUH will still remain the most direct flight, the same applies for the O&D passengers heading from LJU to both GVA and ZRH.' <br /><br />I meant on a direct flight as in the O&D market is not the one Air Serbia is after. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56272504143218626892013-11-18T07:35:36.887+01:002013-11-18T07:35:36.887+01:00My point is that you are blowing this out of propo...My point is that you are blowing this out of proportion. <br /><br />Even if Etihad Regional opens Geneva-Ljubljana it will not hurt Air Serbia simply because it is not a market it is after. Why would anyone fly LJU-BEG-GVA or even LJU-GVA-AUH? LJU-BEG-AUH will still remain the most direct flight, the same applies for the O&D passengers heading from LJU to both GVA and ZRH.<br /> <br />As it was mentioned by Etihad, Darwin will be used to feed its Abu Dhabi flights. Even if Darwin does create a hub in Geneva, it will take much longer for it to mature because not only will it have to compete with easyJet but with Swiss as well. The birth of Etihad Regional is not so much of a threat for Air Serbia, they are playing in a totally different league. <br /><br />I for one do believe that Belgrade-Zagreb will be eventually launched. Air Serbia offers far more options in Belgrade than a flight to Abu Dhabi. If Jat and Etihad had a codeshare agreement and if this happened then we would have a lot of reasons to worry, but not like this. <br /><br />The most important thing is that they are entering deep inside Lufthansa's prime territory, the area of its most lucrative branch. They will most definitely fight them and we all know that when Lufty puts up a fight it gets dirty. <br /><br />Once Air Serbia is fully set up and when all planes are flying, I am sure we are going to see more flights added by Etihad Regional from secondary and tertiary European cities. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-7537887340829435062013-11-18T01:18:36.502+01:002013-11-18T01:18:36.502+01:00And what is your point?????
I just want to mentio...And what is your point?????<br /><br />I just want to mention that Etihad investment in Darwin is not good thing for Air Serbia because that will make less potential passengers for Air Serbia in "Etihad family". Of course Zurich and Geneva are much bigger opportunity for Etihad than Belgrade. If there would be no Darwin concentration would be on Belgrade much more than now when Darwin come into Etihad family.<br /><br />And Zagreb is good example. Zagreb passengers will fly via FCO instead BEG, and without Darwin, Air Serbia would, for sure, in near future open ZAG route. Now, I am not so sure. Let us presume that Darwin will open Ljubljana-Geneva and Ljubljana-Zurich route. What do you thing will that hurt Ljubljana-Belgrade route?<br /><br />Of course Belgrade is in much better situation after Jat becomes Air Serbia (Etihad investment). I already mention that is the best thing can happened for Belgrade and Serbia. Just Emirates investment is better than Etihad investment. Nothing else. But Darwin is not good news for Air Serbia.Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-57480474849948074282013-11-18T00:39:35.514+01:002013-11-18T00:39:35.514+01:00God. You are still wrong and here is why.
Etihad...God. You are still wrong and here is why. <br /><br />Etihad Regional could have launched 99 new routes and it still doesn't matter if only one is to Belgrade. The basic structure of the Belgrade hub is not yet set up, this is primarily because it only started functioning a few weeks ago when the new winter schedule was introduced. On top of everything, Air Serbia has yet to receive all the six A319s in order for the schedule to become fully operational. BEG is still under construction. <br /><br />Second of all, Air Berlin is a well established airline with strong presence in both Berlin and Dusseldorf. Their intercontinental network will be further enhanced in Berlin with additional frequencies to places such as New York or Chicago. It only makes sense for them to add more feeding flights to an already well functioning system than to a one that is still under construction, that is Belgrade. Especially since Air Berlin operates intercontinental flights which are usually more lucrative than regional/European flying.<br /><br />But the most important argument why it is ok that they are adding flights to Germany but not to Belgrade is because Berlin and Dusseldorf has far more O&D demand to fill the flights until connecting traffic picks up. Belgrade would take much longer to develop and it would cost more money. Once Belgrade becomes a true hub, adding flights from places like Wroclaw will be much easier of a task. For the time being Belgrade could not compete with airlines such as LOT, Lufthansa or Austrian Airlines. If you notice how Air Serbia has been expanding, you will notice that it has been either to safer markets where it can rely on at least some O&D while the other markets have been to places with rather weak competition: Ljubljana, Bucharest, Athens...<br /><br />In the end, the fact that Etihad Regional will be adding flights to Belgrade from Geneva only proves that they are indeed having big plans for Air Serbia. After all, maybe they first want to stabilize the future network and operation growth from primary European cities before adding new flights from secondary markets. <br />Anyway, both Air Serbia and Belgrade will have a lot on their plate with Kiev, Sofia, Varna, Monastir, Beirut, Cairo... being added next year. <br /><br />So yes Purger, things are more than rosy for us here in Belgrade and that is why we have more than enough reasons to rejoice after hearing about this news. <br /><br />p.s. as for Zagreb and Tirana, they are being introduced for the same reasons mentioned above. Belgrade-Zagreb is probably not viable at this point in time so why not feed the Rome route, which we can assume is under-performing at this stage. Plus, Zagreb lacks direct air links to Rome while Tirana doesn't see that much competition so as not to warrant an additional carrier from Rome, especially with Alitalia on the verge of bankruptcy. I think Air Serbia will survive just fine without these 18 new flights when it is expanding on its own quite fast. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-7622668193654363262013-11-17T23:48:37.094+01:002013-11-17T23:48:37.094+01:00This is the way to fly Geneva...
Change Swiss and ...This is the way to fly Geneva...<br />Change Swiss and Easyjet as it fits best into your personal needs.Leave with one and back with the other...<br />The customer is king and both airlines will treat you like one!Life is adventurenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-25336068624610439982013-11-17T23:35:24.290+01:002013-11-17T23:35:24.290+01:00Where did you read that I thing they should or the...Where did you read that I thing they should or they will launch BEG-FCO? But Etihad launch ZAG-FCO with Darwin (to connect to flights to Abu Dhabi) instead ZAG-BEG and connection to Air Serbia. So ZAG pax will not go to Air Serbia and BEG, but to FCO and Alitalia flights to Abu Dhabi (in code-share with Etihad).<br /><br />So it is not pinky at all and let me repeat:<br /><br />The only new route to Belgrade is from Geneva. One of 18. So basically Etihad Regional will route passengers to Berlin, Zurich and Geneva (and even to Rome), and that is less potential passengers for Air Serbia. And those are not good news for Air Serbia.<br />Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-4261247429779598232013-11-17T22:35:44.446+01:002013-11-17T22:35:44.446+01:00Why would they launch Rome-Belgrade when Air Serbi...Why would they launch Rome-Belgrade when Air Serbia already flies the route? <br /><br />Plus, Darwin's primary hub will be Geneva so it makes sense for them to launch Belgrade from there. They will also focus on Dusseldorf, a route served by Air Serbia. <br /><br />Also, for Darwin to launch all those flights to Belgrade they would have to operate them as a one stop route, something that is not too cost efficient. It makes far more sense for them to launch these secondary routes to Germany because there is much more demand, O&D demand that is. <br /><br />I do not see what's not pink here. It's perfectly fine. Plus, no wonder they need to provide more help for Air Berlin. Don't you think that Lufthansa will try to attack them even more now when they are still vulnerable?! Air Serbia is in a better position because it is geographically isolated in relation to the big European carriers. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81700475294673882442013-11-17T22:29:38.846+01:002013-11-17T22:29:38.846+01:00That is not true. On ZAG-SPU/DBV-FCO route most pa...That is not true. On ZAG-SPU/DBV-FCO route most passengers are from ZAG to FCO, just few (not more than 25%) from SPU and DBV to FCO. During summer season maybe 35%, but not more than that.<br /><br />I never did understand this logic of flights via SPU and DBV to FCO (by the way it was patent of Jat who had flights BEG-DBV-FCO, BEG-SPU-FCO, ZAG-SPU-FCO). That is stupid because you have more costs (two times airport fees, more kerosene, passengers don’t like it because of at least one more hour on that route to stop in SPU/DBV). For tourist 2 frequencies from SPU and from DBV is enough, so it would be clever to make it<br /><br />1-3-5—ZAG-FCO<br />-2---6- ZAG-SPU-FCO<br />---4—7 ZAG-DBV-FCO<br /><br />OK now they cut winter frequencies from ZAG to SPU and DBV so there is logic to make those flights via SPU/DBV to make more frequencies also on ZAG-SPU and ZAG-DBV leg, but when they have 28 flights to SPU/DBV per week (4 per day) there is no logic to have all flights form ZAG to FCO via SPU/DBV.Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-80230630849281395632013-11-17T22:18:55.317+01:002013-11-17T22:18:55.317+01:00Unbelievable how you can see thing pink when they ...Unbelievable how you can see thing pink when they are not.<br /><br />Darwin will feed all hubs where Etihad flies exempt BEG.<br /><br />Zagreb and Tirana to Rome not to BEG!!!!!<br />Dusseldorf, Poznan and Wroclaw to Berlin, not to BEG.<br />Leipzig, Florence, Turin, Linz, Graz, Verona, Lyon to Zurich not to BEG.<br />Bordeaux, Marseille, Nantes and Verona to Geneva not to BEG.<br /><br />The only new route to Belgrade is from Geneva. One of 18. But you have to know that Etihad already flies to Geneve. So basically Etihad Regional will route passengers to Berlin, Zurich and Geneva, and that is less potential passengers for Air Serbia. And those are not good news for Air Serbia.<br /><br />Etihad will only put bridge for passengers from Belgrade to Geneve and via Geneve to Etihad regional destinations, and of course for passengers from Geneve via Belgrade to Air Serbia destinations. That will, for sure, open some more routes and frequencies via BEG to east and southeast, but in same time, for sure, less to west and north because those passengers will travel via Geneva, Zurich, Berlin and Dusseldorf.<br />Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-27025069717646593452013-11-17T21:59:52.698+01:002013-11-17T21:59:52.698+01:00with every low cost you can buy one way tickets ^^...with every low cost you can buy one way tickets ^^<br /><br />(yes swiss introduced oneway tickets only for flights to/from GVA, trying to win pax from Easyjet )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-80585892143169631362013-11-17T21:53:53.656+01:002013-11-17T21:53:53.656+01:00^ To the Emirate of Belgrade of course!
; )^ To the Emirate of Belgrade of course!<br />; )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-35226657153807699042013-11-17T21:51:38.586+01:002013-11-17T21:51:38.586+01:00Is it true that with Easyjet and Swiss you can buy...Is it true that with Easyjet and Swiss you can buy one-way tickets?<br />If so it would be interesting to book BEG-GVA with Swiss and the flight back with Easyjet.<br />What do you think Suisse Ouest and Gva Cointrin?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-54223174991327720082013-11-17T21:36:44.731+01:002013-11-17T21:36:44.731+01:00Maybe now that they bought a random airline like D...Maybe now that they bought a random airline like Darwin they will consider buying OU? They could make use of the 12 million tourists every year, it would be a natural pick for them. Not to mention that soon there will be a new terminal in Zagreb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-87766835293168465282013-11-17T20:05:21.830+01:002013-11-17T20:05:21.830+01:00lol to whom exactly?lol to whom exactly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81877437760745714012013-11-17T19:30:12.796+01:002013-11-17T19:30:12.796+01:00Inshallah our Muzlim brothers will give us 2-3 air...Inshallah our Muzlim brothers will give us 2-3 airbus 330<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-2911928768240856732013-11-17T19:05:45.692+01:002013-11-17T19:05:45.692+01:00Yes but they said that they were evaluating the po...Yes but they said that they were evaluating the possibility of launching flights to ex-Yugoslavia, that is to Dubrovnik and Ljubljana. They did not say they were going to do it for sure. Anyway, as we are almost in December, I am sure we will know for sure soon enough.Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-44599286068810972702013-11-17T19:03:13.101+01:002013-11-17T19:03:13.101+01:00What exactly don't you get? Darwin/Etihad Regi...What exactly don't you get? Darwin/Etihad Regional will feed Air Serbia's flights in Belgrade. They can offer so many flights from Belgrade to places such as Istanbul, Thessaloniki, Athens, ex-Yugoslavia, Sofia, Varna, Bucharest, Moscow...<br /><br />They will do the same with Air Berlin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-8271985458267072322013-11-17T18:35:49.862+01:002013-11-17T18:35:49.862+01:00Thx. but this summer new summer routes info was fr...Thx. but this summer new summer routes info was from 24.09.2013. Info for LJU and DBU is from 31.10.2013 and from official Aegean website.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-29096185386668644152013-11-17T18:35:30.231+01:002013-11-17T18:35:30.231+01:00I don't get the point out of thisI don't get the point out of this Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-36547748140286400872013-11-17T16:38:15.503+01:002013-11-17T16:38:15.503+01:00Yes, there was fog in Budapest, and Wizzair and Ry...Yes, there was fog in Budapest, and Wizzair and Ryanair diverted their flights to Bratislava. Aeroflot diverted it's flight to Belgrade, whereas many other airlines, including Lufthansa cancelled their flights. SU flight continued it's journey to Budapest the following day (today) at 9:00 amAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-72362649962121853292013-11-17T16:27:18.474+01:002013-11-17T16:27:18.474+01:00Eu laws and policies that are valid in all EU
cou...Eu laws and policies that are valid in all EU<br />countries are not enforced in Slovenia.<br />They are enforcing what they like and they are <br />making excuses for the rest.<br /><br />And it's still working.<br />wow<br /><br />Who is stupid there?<br /><br /><br /><br />The deal might not go down well with the European Commission which, amongst other things, is investigating a conflict of interest relating to Ljubljana Airport’s purchase of a 52.3% stake in the airline’s maintenance division, Adria Airways Tehnika, in 2011.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com