tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post3645597698190191820..comments2024-03-29T02:11:52.308+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Adria to Niš in 2011EX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76062300572983810612010-12-26T23:11:31.056+01:002010-12-26T23:11:31.056+01:00Only way INI could be a good move for Adria is if ...Only way INI could be a good move for Adria is if they connect INI with their Starr Alliance partners and their transatlantic flights. With JP using very low fare prices which is hard to achieve with their CRJ200 they could attack secondary markets with INI.(SKP, SOF,PRN) So in order to achieve profit with this route JP would actually have to have early flight to FRA,LHR,MUC,ZRH or some hub like it,connect pax with overseas flights and offer cheaper alternative to PRN,SKP and SOF. Due to proximity of SOF, INI could be great alternative if JP manages to survive and its partners would assure attack on INI is great way to lower influence of Skyteam on SOF. But at this point INI as standalone market is worthless. PAX number to INI is just not enough. No industry, no developments, no pax. Even if JP gets incredible incenitives on ap they will not achieve anything if they do not have support from their partners. And that means early flights to EU. With that done maybe that route has a chance to make profit and not finish like previous attempts. Remember it takes big number of regional pax to have expenses covered and then feeder traffic will stay as profit. Or maybe we are overthinking? Maybe Starr Alliance is the one that looks at INI as another way of creating distress for JU, and another way of putting pressure on SkyONE in SOF? Sof from US was few years ago market of AZ, AF, KL... now it is market of LH,LO,LX... There is no better way to pressure SkyOne market in SOF than using JP to offer cheaper alternative within 2-3 hours driving. I can bet that if AZ backs up from SOF you will have same scenario you had with SJJ. Moment OU had better connections and lower fares with Starr to Zagreb, AZ backed from SJJ. When LH achieved that, prices on both ZAG and SJJ went skyhigh. I suggest same will happen to SOF and INI is the key to do that. Why would LH offer lower prices on regional and loose money when they could offer lower prices on small number of transatlantic and let JP risk with regional? Smart move by Starr. Skyone will have to lower prices, that will put prices of SOF below profitable margin and then you will see reduction of flights by skyone. When that happens Starr rises prices, backs up from INI and gets biggest market share on all surrounding markets. In matter of one year starr took all of the market share on complete former yugoslavia. Then you will see closure on JU question in few weeks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-78873928922131952862010-12-21T00:53:25.976+01:002010-12-21T00:53:25.976+01:00You need to have plans but ... Sorry this will not...You need to have plans but ... Sorry this will not work!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-79481804563814620192010-10-25T09:46:55.584+02:002010-10-25T09:46:55.584+02:00@ JU500
JAT did have flights from INI. Its flight...@ JU500<br /><br />JAT did have flights from INI. Its flights from INI to VIE were frequently cancelled because they would sell say 4 to 6 seats for the flight! And why have a flight from BEG to INI when its probably quicker to drive to Nis than to fly (by the time you check in, board, taxi, take off, land, deplane, collect luggage....)JATBEGMELnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-89868947359507704332010-10-24T22:59:31.567+02:002010-10-24T22:59:31.567+02:00@Anonymous
All right look at the facts... How man...@Anonymous<br /><br />All right look at the facts... How many passengers did Adria carry? How many destinations does Adria service? You want the facts...look at them before you want to start a debate!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-57092406251246863662010-10-24T14:00:45.855+02:002010-10-24T14:00:45.855+02:00I am glad to hear this about Adria and Nis. But to...I am glad to hear this about Adria and Nis. But to think that Adria has the strongest regional network and such...come on man. Adria is good but not that good.<br /><br />@Anonymus, dude go research a bit, Adria has the strongest regional network related to all other EX-YU airlines. There's a difference between the facts and wishfull thinking...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-26541578244199318972010-10-24T12:37:11.652+02:002010-10-24T12:37:11.652+02:00Breakeven number on the CRJ200 is around 60 PAX if...Breakeven number on the CRJ200 is around 60 PAX if you understand what I mean?<br />How many small airlines do have CRJ200? Only feeders because they make profit on longhaul so few -€ on the shorthaul really does not matter.<br />On the other hand if you have 7 CRJ200, you are doing a lot of -€ which other planes in the fleet cant relly repair.Skynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-54283199967898129162010-10-24T07:29:30.697+02:002010-10-24T07:29:30.697+02:00It makes sense for flights out of LJU to INI utili...It makes sense for flights out of LJU to INI utilising a CJR200 - how many seats do they have to sell in order to breakeven? JP Providing ample connecting flights from LJU through its Star Alliance Network provides a better solution for those who travel to Southern Serbia from other parts of the globe have a direct flight to INI from LJU instead of the 3 hour drive from BEG or SKP.Nick - Sydneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-91976189216283862342010-10-24T02:07:49.019+02:002010-10-24T02:07:49.019+02:00It looks like Adria will go anywhere where they wa...It looks like Adria will go anywhere where they want to pay for their flights, Banja Luka and now Nis...pretty much like LCC airlines!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-62903803426599512602010-10-23T20:26:57.202+02:002010-10-23T20:26:57.202+02:00Perhaps JP could send a CRJ-200 to Milan, instead ...Perhaps JP could send a CRJ-200 to Milan, instead of U2?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-36272960365727274632010-10-23T19:52:17.245+02:002010-10-23T19:52:17.245+02:00Is city of Niš going to subside this airline?Is city of Niš going to subside this airline?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15712857311424823433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-36197348447980714502010-10-23T17:49:29.428+02:002010-10-23T17:49:29.428+02:00I am glad to hear this about Adria and Nis. But to...I am glad to hear this about Adria and Nis. But to think that Adria has the strongest regional network and such...come on man. Adria is good but not that good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-73785836050885398742010-10-23T14:44:20.786+02:002010-10-23T14:44:20.786+02:00Great News, I am really happy for Nis & Adria ...Great News, I am really happy for Nis & Adria too. I wish them the best. Good Luck Adria!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-42925017012000899952010-10-23T13:41:02.078+02:002010-10-23T13:41:02.078+02:00Pored YM, Nis ce dobiti i JP. Extra! :) Bar neko d...Pored YM, Nis ce dobiti i JP. Extra! :) Bar neko da vidi neki minimalan potencijal Nisa i okoline. Samo me zanima kako ce da odrade raspored. Verovatno ce letovi biti u sred dana sa 3-4 nedeljna leta. <br />Mozda ova okolnost natera JAT da sa ATRom konacno napravi letove ka Beogradu u (vise)dnevnoj varijanti i tako uspe da se "bori" sa konkurencijom... Ko zna ;) Samo da se prica o Adriji ne svede na pricu sa letovima ka Banja Luci... ;)JU500https://www.blogger.com/profile/01855136215721390300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-50167740759929354542010-10-23T12:54:19.373+02:002010-10-23T12:54:19.373+02:00Btw, Milano-Ljubljana route is already canceled.Btw, Milano-Ljubljana route is already canceled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-32749000509968357662010-10-23T12:41:43.727+02:002010-10-23T12:41:43.727+02:00Is Ryanair's safety record really good?Is Ryanair's safety record really good?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-10522052610215669362010-10-23T11:42:32.919+02:002010-10-23T11:42:32.919+02:00"passengers who value SAFETY, tradition...&qu..."passengers who value SAFETY, tradition..." Ummm, not quite a valid argument against LCCs methinks. But yah, LJU is in a really good geographical position to carry out transit traffic between ex-Yugoslavia nations and central western Europe.Arturonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60045444958834712042010-10-23T11:37:29.091+02:002010-10-23T11:37:29.091+02:00They also operate to 'Alexander the Great'...They also operate to 'Alexander the Great' Skopje.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-29080781797893533382010-10-23T09:24:39.385+02:002010-10-23T09:24:39.385+02:00Are there any other EX-YU aiports they could try? ...Are there any other EX-YU aiports they could try? OMO, TZL, OHD?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1418383467534908432010-10-23T09:08:28.002+02:002010-10-23T09:08:28.002+02:00Good job Adria, I am happy that other parts of my ...Good job Adria, I am happy that other parts of my country are waking up! <br />Is the city of Nis going to subisdise the flights? I wonder how often they are going to fly...<br /><br />As for the low cost operations to Slovenia, maybe the key is that Adria also relies on the transit passengers as the O&D market is not that big for multiple airlines.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com