tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post3698245148229988780..comments2024-03-29T02:11:52.308+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Air Serbia and Adria start strong in 2014EX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger64125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-69474654786752668582014-02-24T16:25:07.261+01:002014-02-24T16:25:07.261+01:00Double daily in Summer14 Sarajevo-Belgrade, wonder...Double daily in Summer14 Sarajevo-Belgrade, wonderful idea . Catch passenger as much as possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81890498668776141762014-02-22T19:16:15.131+01:002014-02-22T19:16:15.131+01:00OT : Does anybody know why Air Serbia doesn't ...OT : Does anybody know why Air Serbia doesn't start flying to Munich again? Comanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-18173508366237804322014-02-22T18:06:27.886+01:002014-02-22T18:06:27.886+01:00Just because 50 or even 100 others have failed it ...Just because 50 or even 100 others have failed it does not mean every company will fail. That's the beauty of surprises like Facebook or Emirates. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-6541242042807473842014-02-22T14:57:22.460+01:002014-02-22T14:57:22.460+01:00For every successful google story out there, there...For every successful google story out there, there are 50 companies like Google which failed. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-21725963793052568242014-02-22T13:47:04.466+01:002014-02-22T13:47:04.466+01:00With excellent local network in the Baltic from Ri...With excellent local network in the Baltic from Riga airport and with good local network in the Balkan from Ljubljana airport I can see great potential. Maybe even sone cdeshare agreement between AirBaltic and Adria.<br />Just i don't know is Lufthansa would allow this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-31802800297673689462014-02-22T08:17:37.451+01:002014-02-22T08:17:37.451+01:00AnonymousFebruary 21, 2014 at 11:56 PM
Actually, ...AnonymousFebruary 21, 2014 at 11:56 PM<br /><br />Actually, my comment was not a reply to the discussion above, it was actually unrelated. The fact that you managed to find a way and feel attacked (or whatever) actually only goes to show that you did not understand my post.<br />The reason why I said that no one serious will judge an airline's success after only four months of operations is actually because of the low loadfactor. Air Serbia had to change its core business strategy and to move from being an ethnic O&D-based carrier to a real transit airline. Even if you think about it, Air Serbia's fleet/capacity did not grow that much. What really changed was the fleet utilization which was catastrophic with Jat Airways. There were some aircraft which used to sit for hours at BEG waiting for their next flight. A good example is some aircraft that would arrive at around 20.00 (I believe it was Copenhagen) and it would not fly again until tomorrow at 08.00!<br /> <br />Furthermore, another thing we should take into consideration is that Air Serbia's first months of operations took place during the slow season which meant that its challenges were even greater. On top of everything there were those scandals with the catering system and with the baggage sorting mechanism (in all fairness the latter was the fault of Belgrade airport). <br /><br />There is something else that no one spoke about and that's Air Serbia's market share in Belgrade. In November 2013, their market share rose from 39% to 41% while in January it increased from 38% in 2013 to 47% in January 2014. For me these numbers are also very important especially because it will force Belgrade airport management to reconsider their current policy of drooling over foreign carrier while downplaying the importance of JU, as was the case until recently.<br /><br />Air Serbia mostly relies on its six A319 and four Atr-72 while the Boeing fleet is used to fill the holes. Anyway, most of them are parked the whole day at Jat Tehnika. <br />Talking of the Boeing birds, they are all white now and so far the plan is to use only three for the summer charters.Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-12243136565559500422014-02-22T07:31:01.000+01:002014-02-22T07:31:01.000+01:00Anonymous-5:38, your comment is with good reason a...Anonymous-5:38, your comment is with good reason and fact. AIR SERBIA is under way of rapid development. Projected plan will be attainable. Easy to agree about this subject. Rod.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41332182124897037862014-02-22T05:38:34.105+01:002014-02-22T05:38:34.105+01:00"a more gradual ramp up would have given far ..."a more gradual ramp up would have given far better LF and much lower losses, i dont think anyone serious will argue with that logic? "<br /><br />Sounds reasonable. Then again, many experienced industry insiders said that early Emirates growth was not reasonable. When Emirates ordered Airbus A380 many said that was not reasonable. When they increased the A380 order to well over 100 many said that was too fast, they would not be able to fill then and they would suffer from low load factors. But they made it work despite not being initially logical and reasonable. I am not saying in any way that Air Serbia will be like Emirates, but I would argue that explosive growth might end up being a good thing for the company despite not sounding very logical to some at this point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-17415511905158540712014-02-22T05:13:17.018+01:002014-02-22T05:13:17.018+01:00@Anonymous
When you said "From an airline po...@Anonymous <br />When you said "From an airline point of view 54% L/F with the present business model is a disaster." - what airline point of view do you represent? Do you represent official Air Serbia point of view with that sentence? Or official Lufthansa point of view? Or you don' represent any official airline point of view, just your own, personal opinion, but trying to sell it as "airline point of view"?<br /><br />Since you are not official PR but just "concerned" about LF, why don't we talk about years when "concerned" outsiders voiced their issues with Google business model. Google operated for years in the red and "concerned" outsiders claimed Google would never turn profit and would end up bankrupt. If it was up to them, they would have pulled the plug on Google after 4 months. Look at them now!<br /><br />This is how comments about Air Serbia low load factor will be viewed in couple of years time...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-12505745507982395002014-02-22T04:30:28.509+01:002014-02-22T04:30:28.509+01:00If you are a customer, you would prefer low load f...If you are a customer, you would prefer low load factor to 95% load factor. So you are not a customer. If you are management or investor, you would have other venues to discuss your load factor concerns, so you are not one of them. That leaves disgruntled former employee or a competitor. Well, for both of those categories growth of Air Serbia is a pain point and their comments clearly demonstrate that. Going forward feel free to discard comments about Air Serbia's low load factors as irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-17015411162454181622014-02-21T23:56:58.554+01:002014-02-21T23:56:58.554+01:00"No one serious will judge any business' ..."No one serious will judge any business' success after only four months. "<br /><br />If you actually read the comments without bias you'd see that no one is judging the long term success of the airline or its hub strategy, infact the only ones who talked about the unavoidable demise of air serbia (albeit sarcastically ) were the fanboys in their now predictable and boring style, no substance or argument just insults. <br /><br />And the point of a blog that updates daily and one with a comment section is to talk about events AS THEY HAPPEN. <br /><br />Now the people who came here to comment on topic mostly focused on the fact that with the extremely low prices they charge, a LF in the fifties must bring in significant losses and would seem to indicate that they dumped too much capacity too soon, a more gradual ramp up would have given far better LF and much lower losses, i dont think anyone serious will argue with that logic? <br /><br />Why are some people sooo insulted by this and interpret it as an attack??<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-15020946954911698042014-02-21T21:19:11.831+01:002014-02-21T21:19:11.831+01:00@ Anonymous February 21, 2014 at 5:49
You could...@ Anonymous February 21, 2014 at 5:49<br />You could've said all of that without the last paragraph. It's quite obvious that you intended to insult... The problem on this blog is that people take everything personally and then start insulting each other. <br />I always come checking the comments for some new info, but I just can't ignore the argues. This doesn't go just to you, but to everyone else that get involved in fights. When your opinion is different than others, can you just get over or post counter arguments that don't bring up the heat?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-22553010721961760622014-02-21T21:19:04.844+01:002014-02-21T21:19:04.844+01:00Personally I am more than happy. It's really g...Personally I am more than happy. It's really good that Air Serbia is seeing this impressive passenger growth. No one serious will judge any business' success after only four months. Let's see how they do in the summer. <br />Air Serbia's performance only keeps on improving. I am sure it will stay like this. These positive results are also good for Belgrade airport.<br /><br />Regarding Adria, it's good to see them record double digit growth but I do not see what's so spectacular about their loadfactor being that high. After all, they are a regional airline operating a fleet of mostly regional aircraft.Nemjeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09529227010459770718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-42496314173697703992014-02-21T21:17:12.339+01:002014-02-21T21:17:12.339+01:00@ AnonymousFebruary 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM
Wow, good...@ AnonymousFebruary 21, 2014 at 5:57 PM<br /><br />Wow, good thing that I have not read it :). Whatever you wrote, I did not mean that BEG is as "good" (whatever "good can mean for an airport) as FRA and IST are, but that people should get used to having normal service at BEG - fast, efficient, cheap (due to JU). Caffes should work thruout the night as well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-28575398130764299852014-02-21T20:14:19.008+01:002014-02-21T20:14:19.008+01:00Stunning numbers for both carriers. Air Serbia nee...Stunning numbers for both carriers. Air Serbia needs a bit more time to prove its business case of becoming a major regional carrier. The load factor is really bad and you can not make a profit with such low occupancy - but I am sure that will improve over time. Adria on the other hand is doing a great job with its lf - 73% is really good in such a slow month, with the worst performing BG route cut off that should improve even further. i wish all the best to both carriers.Liamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13216603949085643378noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-47541393237072444672014-02-21T19:09:36.496+01:002014-02-21T19:09:36.496+01:00We - the users of this blog are very different peo...We - the users of this blog are very different people... some very educated, some with different believes, various nationalities, amatuers and professionals, many very proud on their national identity - but still people who like this blog. I hardly understand that some are not capable to accept different opinion - at least we all here should respect someone's opinion and argue it with his/her thougts without insulting each other... can we do this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-34030658113771292422014-02-21T18:34:02.937+01:002014-02-21T18:34:02.937+01:00And extremely stupid too And extremely stupid too Dusanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01191114300966961561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-14237020860122220902014-02-21T18:29:35.667+01:002014-02-21T18:29:35.667+01:00Because your response was a racist slur which is n...Because your response was a racist slur which is not tolerated.EX-YU Aviationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-75019378530143603992014-02-21T17:57:17.691+01:002014-02-21T17:57:17.691+01:00@ Ex-Yu aviation
Could you please explain me why ...@ Ex-Yu aviation<br /><br />Could you please explain me why did you erase my answer to the post above, where I'm crirical about comparing BEG to FRA and IST, which is absolutely uncomparable, at teh same time not offending anyone. Explanation please,. as soon as possible !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-27283810104388356212014-02-21T17:49:03.757+01:002014-02-21T17:49:03.757+01:00Hogan knows perfectly well what he is doing. He is...Hogan knows perfectly well what he is doing. He is having very good deal for his company, taking advantage of corrupt politicians, who use this story in their pre-electional campaign.<br /><br />Hogan will have no problems if JU continue making losses, and Etihad will not suffer financially. Everything will be paid, the same as till now, by the citizens of Serbia.<br /><br />And if you have nothing else to tell me after my list of increased expenses, compared to probably reduced, or equal incomes of JU, except that I'm "much more then a hater" , well, coming from you, I'll take it as a compliment.<br /><br />And, yes, you forgot to list Bosniaks who are haters, too. Thanks God all of the people of ex-Yugoslavia are haters and bad people, just Serbs are the best, one and only, always just, always right, cleverest, most competent and so on and so on. Well, bro, sorry to wake you up from your dreams once again, but the only hater and shauvinist here at the moment is you, no matter how much you try to spit on others to cover your real nature. <br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-33468187670657307112014-02-21T16:40:38.658+01:002014-02-21T16:40:38.658+01:00It's not only about low LF in JU. It's abo...It's not only about low LF in JU. It's about increased costs for fuel and catering, it's about increased costs for working force, it's about heavily increased costs for, unlike now, LEASED "new" planes, it's about even costs of maintenance, because leased planes need it, as they are not new, it's about oprational costs and taxes for 60-70 percent more flights, and it's about disastrously LOW ticket prices, almost low-cost, which couldn't cover the costs even if LF were 95%. If you take into account all of these, I doubt about profitability of JU's operations, even after 2 years, "given" by Hogan. Not to mention forthcoming elections in Serbia, and political influence to the project. So, sorry to wake you from your nice dreams, but I guess there are more then plenty of reasons to be at least worried abot the future. I tried to talk economy and the facts, and hope I won't be called hater for my critical thinking. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-38782883632923489372014-02-21T16:19:46.113+01:002014-02-21T16:19:46.113+01:00Anonymous @ 11:02
Some valid points, but try usin...Anonymous @ 11:02<br /><br />Some valid points, but try using spell check before posting. ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81719583268208396642014-02-21T16:06:01.640+01:002014-02-21T16:06:01.640+01:00I think during winter '14, load factors would ...I think during winter '14, load factors would be better then w14 without cutting any lines and frequencies. During the summer, I hope people would discover BEG as a transit airport. People need time to start thinking about BEG as an airport that is equally cheap, fast and efficient for transit as ZRH, VIE, FRA and IST. And I am not speaking just about people from the region, I am speaking about Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Cyprus, Hungary etc. <br /><br />If Kontiki starts bringing tourists from the ex-yu to BEG, and then flies them to their respective destination, and if they do it well, that would be a good promotion for JU.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-58864430417907907732014-02-21T15:33:51.295+01:002014-02-21T15:33:51.295+01:00...and who ever thing diferent is HATER!...and who ever thing diferent is HATER!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41713488418675967662014-02-21T14:15:25.438+01:002014-02-21T14:15:25.438+01:00No, it is not about number of planes, but number o...No, it is not about number of planes, but number of seats in one plan and number of passengers in that plan. Grounded plans are not calculatet just those which are in real flight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com