tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post5062879813095611992..comments2024-03-29T02:11:52.308+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: No interest in Croatia AirlinesEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-64439168620398178822013-11-30T20:53:13.108+01:002013-11-30T20:53:13.108+01:00"You can fool all people some of the time, an..."You can fool all people some of the time, and you can fool some people all of the time, but you cannot fool all people all of the time"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-86704684404215247362013-11-30T10:03:35.265+01:002013-11-30T10:03:35.265+01:00"PurgerNovember 29, 2013 at 2:28 PM
If that ..."PurgerNovember 29, 2013 at 2:28 PM<br /><br />If that happens at any moment I will admit that I was a complete moron!"<br /><br />OK Purger, I'll hold you to this, November 30th 2015 Croatian airlines is in the air, doing ok, no major crisis and making profits, you'll come to this blog, but also on your youtube site and in your magazine quite my posts and tell everyone that you've were wrong about Croatian Airlines and I was right. <br /><br />If you want to call yourself a moron entirely up to you, but I expect you to retract all your comments in this regard and apologize for making assertions and spell doom and gloom on Croatian airline sector. <br /> <br />But you must quote me, word for word in your magazine articles and in your youtube Chanel, for its only fair, and you'll know Its me cause I'll refer you this post and other posts in which I opposed your gloomy predicaments for Croatian Airlines. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76401614646158423042013-11-30T03:12:49.496+01:002013-11-30T03:12:49.496+01:00Not too optimistic that OU will be sold. Her futu...Not too optimistic that OU will be sold. Her future is as a feeder for LH and this is fine as long as keeps them profitable but I would love to see a move towards Dubai and Moscow.<br />Q400https://www.blogger.com/profile/09330385169689869567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-24353072549078312212013-11-29T17:43:21.509+01:002013-11-29T17:43:21.509+01:00Nebi... nešto bi preuzeo Trade Air, ali samo ono š...Nebi... nešto bi preuzeo Trade Air, ali samo ono što je komercijalno (SPU-ZAG 2 puta dnevno, DBV-ZAG 4 puta dnevno), te ono što bi plačala država kroz subvencije. Bez subvencija linije ZAG-ZAD-PUY, ZAG-OSI, OSI-SPU, OSI-DBV, RJK-SPU-DBV i ZAG-BWK nemaju financijske logike.<br /><br />LH bi prije pokrenula letove iz PUY, ZAD, SPU i DBV za MUC, te SPU i DBV za FRA nego bi pokrenula domaći promet.Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1988321816306450822013-11-29T17:34:00.419+01:002013-11-29T17:34:00.419+01:00Purgeru, što misliš da bi se dogodilo s domaćim li...Purgeru, što misliš da bi se dogodilo s domaćim linijama ako se OU ugasi? Bi li ih obavljala Lufthansa ili netko treći?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81125229400201101812013-11-29T17:03:27.088+01:002013-11-29T17:03:27.088+01:00Luftansa have bigger problems in hand .to start of...Luftansa have bigger problems in hand .to start off they are not the bigger and most important airline in Star Alliance that is Turkish Airlines and not talking about the competion from Darwin Airlines in the Balkan .finaly their dominance coming to a endAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-32351789202848210682013-11-29T16:46:38.499+01:002013-11-29T16:46:38.499+01:00what is the % of transfer pax on SKP-ZAG flights ?...what is the % of transfer pax on SKP-ZAG flights ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-40694753269646605952013-11-29T16:40:53.681+01:002013-11-29T16:40:53.681+01:00That scenario was forced in Dolomiti in 2001-2003....That scenario was forced in Dolomiti in 2001-2003. They did not care a second to cancel all flights from Verona to London, Paris, Amsterdam, Madrid, Brussels... In just few months most of those lines were again on by other companies, but Lufthansa did not care. Their only goal is to feed their hubs.Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56628302419318209212013-11-29T16:15:59.577+01:002013-11-29T16:15:59.577+01:00Is there any point to host the second round of app...Is there any point to host the second round of applications if there was no reply for the first round? It just sounds like a waste of money and time. Why not start with the restructuring process right away?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-55370224143105150542013-11-29T16:12:10.894+01:002013-11-29T16:12:10.894+01:00So if I understand correct the big European Cities...So if I understand correct the big European Cities they will not fly on .Where the real business is at the moment. To put Adria in the same basket as Croatia Airlines .Sorry just one thing Adria cancels most of its flights Croatia Airlines doesnt Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-71747874514727306352013-11-29T15:15:42.285+01:002013-11-29T15:15:42.285+01:00If course it is not me! It is that child thinking ...If course it is not me! It is that child thinking he is funny!<br /><br />But I also don't find future of Croatia Airlines very bright! For sure Croatia Airlines will not bankrupt, but most the most likely scenario is that LH will merge Adria and Croatia and will make them feeder for LH hubs. Same scenario was with Dolomiti, but now this company becomes too expensive for LH. And even as Dolomiti is LH company still Adria will fly on some routes from Verona, and flies on routes from PRN and TIA for LH. For sure pilots and other staff are cheaper in Slovenia and Croatia than in Italy, Germany, Austria and Switzerland.<br /><br />Basically real routes for Adria/Croatia are:<br />ZAG-MUC<br />ZAG-VIE<br />ZAG-ZRH<br />ZAG-BRU<br />ZAG-BBI<br />SPU-FRA<br />SPU-MUC<br />SPU-VIE<br />SPU-ZRH<br />DBV-FRA<br />DBV-MUC<br />DBV-ZRH<br />DBV-VIE<br />ZAD-MUC<br />ZAD-VIE<br />PUY-MUC<br />RJK-MUC<br />OSI-MUC<br />SJJ-FRA<br />SJJ-MUC<br />SJJ-VIE<br />SJJ-ZRH<br />SKP-FRA<br />SKP-MUC<br />SKP-VIE<br />SKP-ZRH<br />SKP-BRU<br />PRN-FRA<br />PRN-MUC<br />PRN-VIE<br />PRN-ZRH<br />PRN-BRU<br />TGD-MUC<br />TGD-VIE<br />TIA-FRA<br />TIA-MUC<br />TIA-VIE<br />TIA-ZRH<br />ZAG-SPU, not more than 2 flights per day<br />ZAG-DBV, not more than 2 flights per day<br />...and some flights from destinations like Verona.<br /><br />But for sure they will do the same scenario as in Dolomiti and will terminate flights from ZAG/SPU/DBV/LJU to CDG, AMS, CPH, LHR, BCN, FCO, PRN, SKP, SJJ.<br /><br />Of course today you can not be sure in any scenario, as air business changes every minute, and in 5 year changes are huge (just 15 years ago there was no alliances, 20 year ago no LCC), but that scenario is defiantly most likely one.Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-31763812462756117922013-11-29T14:44:02.588+01:002013-11-29T14:44:02.588+01:00I'm wondering if this is a real Purger. He alw...I'm wondering if this is a real Purger. He always backs his statements.<br /><br />If you are, can you elaborate please. What is so wrong with their finances/model? They seem to be talking about improvement in that field. Do you think this is all engineered accounting to make it more attractive toa potential buyer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-3849973236534380042013-11-29T14:28:53.712+01:002013-11-29T14:28:53.712+01:00If that happens at any moment I will admit that I ...If that happens at any moment I will admit that I was a complete moron!<br /><br />But, keep in mind that OU will never be profitable again and they will chase their operations in the next 18 months unless they merge with Adria AirwaysPurgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-1684308884661500222013-11-29T13:54:05.287+01:002013-11-29T13:54:05.287+01:00I am sorry but I do not agree with you. Maybe they...I am sorry but I do not agree with you. Maybe they will do fine for the time being but in the long-run they will suffer- primarily because Lufthansa is not interested in backing them and keeping them alive the same way they did with Swiss, Austrian Airlines and SN Brussels. Croatia Airlines will end up sandwiched between growing Air Serbia and a dangerous Austrian Airlines which will make their survival more difficult not to mention that their local market will be served by more and more airlines. Since OU doesn't have a concise business strategy their demise will come soon. They need someone bigger to back them, they need the same scenario that Jat Airways got.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-63719397519921943272013-11-29T13:49:59.041+01:002013-11-29T13:49:59.041+01:00lol well it seems Darwin would as they will feed A...lol well it seems Darwin would as they will feed Air Serbia's network in Belgrade, the capital of Serbia. :D But there is no need to get offended, it was all for laughs, lighten up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-8704974387652203072013-11-29T13:43:52.962+01:002013-11-29T13:43:52.962+01:00And what will you do if by 2015 OU ends up like Ma...And what will you do if by 2015 OU ends up like Malev or gets reduced to a small MUC feeder with the fleet of 4 turboprops? Will you come here, apologise to Purger for stalking him because he dared to speak some sense, and admit that you are nothing more than a delusional nationalist who knows nothing about airline business but keeps dreaming about having an expensive toy to show off in the neighborhood? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-3643926506186902842013-11-29T13:20:37.227+01:002013-11-29T13:20:37.227+01:00Ob BTW Purger, if in 2 years time Croatia is doing...Ob BTW Purger, if in 2 years time Croatia is doing fine, making good profits and is sorting out its financial situation, will you come out in Public and tell the world that you know nothing about airline business and talking out of your arse ?<br /><br />Seriously, I'll hold you to this in 2 years time.<br /><br />its November 29th 2013, <br /><br />We see you on November 29th 2015, and i win the bet you can come out. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-40543334720884833942013-11-29T13:16:34.256+01:002013-11-29T13:16:34.256+01:00u're talking crap !!!u're talking crap !!! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-42356617014075505162013-11-29T13:11:36.336+01:002013-11-29T13:11:36.336+01:00just shows how much you know about Croatia or Croa...just shows how much you know about Croatia or Croatian Airlines. <br /><br />For your information, there was never appetite for some other airline to take over OU, also this process lasts around 18 months, we are the very beginning of the process. <br /><br />Also Croatia Airline is now making profits and will do ok as long as it continues to sort its mess out, possibly paying all its debt with in next 3 years. <br /><br />However, there are 2 major Croatian based consortium groups that wish to buy in to OU, one wants to pay back 100 million euro + invest substantial amounts of money in to the airline and other has similar deal but its not an airline but asset management firm, first consortium is travel and tourism based holding, with major interested in hotel, assets and finances. <br /><br />One firm is based in Zagreb, other is based in Italy or Spain, forgot which one now. Both are strong on Croatian market and both are now talking to the Government, but nothing is certain yet, only one came out public with their plans for Croatian airlines which sees OU expanding fleet to 20 aircraft and paying its debts, with some guy from Lufthansa coming and taking over OU's management and running of the airline. <br /><br />In either case, Croatia is fine and will be fine no matter what. <br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-87017251722864541222013-11-29T13:00:47.242+01:002013-11-29T13:00:47.242+01:00Nope, they're not, they're prohibited from...Nope, they're not, they're prohibited from striking by order of courts, and its likely they' won't be allowed to strike again, not on this issue, but if they do, they'll have no legal ground for strike and could be fired on the spot and government won't be liable for any costs. <br /><br />In Croatia strikes are allowed but if they are deemed insufficient in legal stature than strikers can be fired on a sport, despite rather strict labour laws which are some of the toughest in the EU, give workers unprecedented powers and process of firing someone can take a while.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-86625796375837435072013-11-29T12:36:08.439+01:002013-11-29T12:36:08.439+01:00We're as good as dead.We're as good as dead.Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-90197760566050463682013-11-29T12:35:17.953+01:002013-11-29T12:35:17.953+01:00Hi, where are you in Armenia? I just came back fro...Hi, where are you in Armenia? I just came back from there. Write if you need any advices or contacts.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-79563193695083934042013-11-29T12:00:05.687+01:002013-11-29T12:00:05.687+01:00Off topic. I am currently in Armenia and look at t...Off topic. I am currently in Armenia and look at the logo in this hotel!!! doesn't it look very much like Air Serbia....?<br />http://hotelnational.am/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-43107224677911459722013-11-29T11:39:53.083+01:002013-11-29T11:39:53.083+01:00no worries , noone will label that bunch of countr...no worries , noone will label that bunch of countries as serbia . stay coolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-61715168327379820842013-11-29T11:14:47.182+01:002013-11-29T11:14:47.182+01:00lol come on... that's like saying that the cou...lol come on... that's like saying that the country on the left is Slovenia. :D But still, this is hilarious.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com