tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post5690739527294558548..comments2024-03-29T02:11:52.308+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Air Serbia to lease out two jetsEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger155125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-61235028747131349392017-08-02T10:39:27.820+02:002017-08-02T10:39:27.820+02:00To dissappear.To dissappear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-38648034354691937312017-08-02T10:37:51.037+02:002017-08-02T10:37:51.037+02:00Jat je bio nas a ovo sad je sarena laza kakva naci...Jat je bio nas a ovo sad je sarena laza kakva nacionalna kompanija u kojoj arapi odlucuju o svemu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-9043733914352243392017-07-27T12:24:10.540+02:002017-07-27T12:24:10.540+02:00I totally agree with your statement. Too much neg...I totally agree with your statement. Too much negativity towards Air SerbiaDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14462936671903227196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-54000581729461834222017-07-23T09:14:49.489+02:002017-07-23T09:14:49.489+02:00+1000 last anon+1000 last anonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51243562451868109262017-07-23T00:04:42.713+02:002017-07-23T00:04:42.713+02:00Most anti-ASL comments are stupendously dumb and l...Most anti-ASL comments are stupendously dumb and lacking both facts and constructive criticism. Your comment is good example. First of all, facts: most key parameters for an airline show that ASL is not in decline. They have steadily improved annual passenger numbers, LF%, revenue, codeshare destinations and will reportedly continue the trend in 2017. They have some facts on the minus side like the number of destinations, but overall they are clearly not in decline. Recent improvements like added seat capacity will clearly help them. All of those facts have been reported here or similar places in the past. If you are not aware of those positive facts why make a fool of yourself by arriving at a wrong conclusion? Same for you claim that Air Serbia is a “vanity” project. Any hard facts to back that up? Since there are none you deserve some nastiness in the response. “Hundreds of millions” have been sunk into old jat debt first and foremost, and to get airline up and running again. This has been reported literally hundreds of times here and elsewhere. How come you are ignoring those facts? Is it safe to assume because your goal is just to provoke and troll? You also had ZERO positive and constructive ideas for Air Serbia improvement, something independent experts and plain onlookers always have, but trolls never do as their effort is NOT to make Air Serbia stronger and better. That’s why you deserve to be blasted each and every time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-84450851519446599062017-07-22T22:35:14.036+02:002017-07-22T22:35:14.036+02:00What do you personally have against anti-ASL comme...What do you personally have against anti-ASL comments? Anon @1:26 does make some valid points. You cannot deny that ASL is in decline, or at least stagnating. And that hundreds of millions of Serbian taxpayers money was sunk into this vanity project. <br />Anyway I do hope ASL survives current 'reconstruction' period. Kondić has made a few costly mistakes. His time over. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-43377925768920193372017-07-22T22:09:32.379+02:002017-07-22T22:09:32.379+02:00Mislis Jugoslovenski Aerotransport and JAT Airways...Mislis Jugoslovenski Aerotransport and JAT Airways? Drugo ime prakticno sve ostalo isto. U stvari nije isto, menadzment ovog drugog je bio sve gori i gori. Mozes da besnis do sutra, bice samo gore po tebe i tvoj jat airways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-75934828929998081422017-07-22T20:42:03.767+02:002017-07-22T20:42:03.767+02:001. Jat nije postojao 90-ih
2. Jat nikada nije let...1. Jat nije postojao 90-ih<br /><br />2. Jat nikada nije leteo preko okeana<br /><br />3. Jat nikada nije imao Adriatic klasu<br /><br />4. Jat je mogao da naplacuje cekin na aerodromu posto je firma prestala da postoji 2013. godine<br /><br />Mozda prvo nauci razliku izmedju Jata i JATa pa onda pisi ovdeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-486002978716465812017-07-22T18:14:34.215+02:002017-07-22T18:14:34.215+02:00Poredimo stvari u isto vreme. Jat nije naplacivao ...Poredimo stvari u isto vreme. Jat nije naplacivao cekin jer niko 90-ih nije napalcivao cekin niti je postojala onlajn varijanta. <br /><br />Kad je postojala Adriatik biznis klasa ja sam leteo sa AF preko okeana u biznis klasi i bilo je bolje nego u Jatu. Generalno je Jat vise kasnio (Joke About Time) od svih sa kojima sam putovao.<br /><br />Pre par decenija okolnosti pod kojima je poslovao Jat su bile neuporedivo bolje jer je bio potpuno drzavna firma nezavisna od trzisnih uslova, medjunarodno trziste je bilo drugacije regulisano, istocni deo Evrope nije bio konkurencija, nisu postojali LCC, nije EU odredjivala samo kako njima odgovara. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76828529575376594582017-07-22T17:47:43.252+02:002017-07-22T17:47:43.252+02:00@Anonymous July 22, 2017 at 12:25 PM
You fell for...@Anonymous July 22, 2017 at 12:25 PM<br /><br />You fell for No4711 thinking that contract exists? OMG we knew anti-ASL trolls are not capable of reasonable conversation, now we know they have no sense of humor. This is No4711 that smells better:<br /><br />https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/4711_Eau_de_Cologne_%28logo%29.jpgAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-2024611184056798392017-07-22T17:34:12.710+02:002017-07-22T17:34:12.710+02:00Your life must have been hell in the past four yea...Your life must have been hell in the past four years, watching Air Serbia succeed. It will continue as you refuse to face reality. JU is already decent, reliable and profitable airline by global expert opinion and your lone dissenting opinion will not change it, not one iota. You personally think Serbia is overall losing money on JU: soundly defeated by many examples in the past four years, shows your failure to research it and accept reality. Purger is thinly veiled anti-ASL and anti-BEG influencer. If you had any knowledge you would know BEG talks (first sale, then concession) were initiated during Tadic times, and were planned to complete in 2013/2014 with UAE, and are influenced by IMF so your concession explanation is plain wrong, just like the rest of your post. I don't know of any other place on the web that gives so much space to anti-ASL comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-91919448205423624372017-07-22T16:07:23.170+02:002017-07-22T16:07:23.170+02:00Anon 7:07 it is amazing how RUDE AND IMMATURE you ...Anon 7:07 it is amazing how RUDE AND IMMATURE you are in order to judge and openly discuss if one has sufficient funds for this or that. You better spend some time on improving your social skills and learn to be more tolerable of others. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-18215345071278316162017-07-22T13:26:47.948+02:002017-07-22T13:26:47.948+02:00I think that the biggest problem ist that ASL is a...I think that the biggest problem ist that ASL is a political project, not an economic one. As the former government had FIAT Serbia which now turns into absolute nightmare the new one has it's two "babies" ASL and Beograd na vodi. There are similarities, between the two. For both projects visibility and recognition is most important. And both have turned into unimaginable sinkholes of several hundred millions of euros. That the Vucic administration is driven by megalomania, you could witness by two inaugural ceremonies. Purger has very well calculated the direct and indirect cost of ASL for Serbia. I personally think, that on a balance sheet, taking into consideration even indirect benefits, like taxes, employment, extra tourism- Serbia is loosing gigantic portions of money with ASL. Thanks god, due to the change of Etihad strategy the nightmare will come to an end. Why do you think they are looking now for concession of BEG airport? It's not because of expansion- rather the opposite, because they want to make cash before the ASL bubble bursts. Since LH is not going to tolerate a mini-hub in what the consider their back yard, the hub concept of ASL will be history soon. I really hope that ASL will be turned into a decent, reliable and profitable niche-carrier that well serves the main markets out of BEG. With 400 million euros +x, that ASL already burned Serbia could have build much more important and needed projects! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-9602976516903864952017-07-22T12:25:53.088+02:002017-07-22T12:25:53.088+02:00'Until expiry of contract term'
Doesn'...'Until expiry of contract term'<br /><br />Doesn't necessarily mean it's the same date that 4702 expired. <br /><br />This clause wouldn't have been explicitly inserted if 4711 applied to JU. It seems that JU still has the benefit of the old 'sweet deal' . Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-27839199140063988372017-07-22T10:41:20.426+02:002017-07-22T10:41:20.426+02:00Slozicete se da i dalje lete bivsi Jatovi stjuardi...Slozicete se da i dalje lete bivsi Jatovi stjuardi/-dese seniori, koje pominjete. Vise nemaju vremena za shopping u tranzitu, jer ciste kabinu izmedju letova. Mukice, a u 'Violetama 737 su Air Nostalgie. Oldtimere godista 1957-'60 u zasluzenu penziju, a 737 iz '85 u Muzej, pored Jatove Karavele. Zoricanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51898465564954919232017-07-22T08:11:50.774+02:002017-07-22T08:11:50.774+02:00To je mozda bilo 90-ih, vec 2000-ih je situatcija ...To je mozda bilo 90-ih, vec 2000-ih je situatcija bila bolja. Er Srbija je mozda bila za klasu iznad Jata do skoro ali od kada su uveli mere stednje sve se promenilo. Jat je nudio pravu biznis klasu, davali su one trouglaste sendvice mesto ovih miniaturnih sada ili onog suvog i otuznog cetvrtastog sa nekom kao telecom pastetom. Jat nije naplacivao cekin na aerodromu i tako dalje...<br /><br />Dakle ako se uzmu okolnosti pod kojim je poslovao Jat i pod kojim danas Er Srbija posluje onda je nedopustivo da se ovakve stvari desavaju. Inace, ja sam leteo sa Er Srbijom dosta puta i dva ili tri puta ili nije radio wc ili nije bilo vode u njemu. To se u Jatu nije desavalo. Mozda su ipak trebali ostati pri Jat Tehnici radi Erbaseva ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-79166083788412852212017-07-22T07:07:22.563+02:002017-07-22T07:07:22.563+02:00Anon @ 11.32pm... look at the CAPA analysis of Air...Anon @ 11.32pm... look at the CAPA analysis of Air Serbia which shows revenue and a bunch of other things.<br /><br />https://centreforaviation.com/insights/analysis/air-serbia-the-youthful-90-year-old-marks-first-year-of-new-york-service-suspends-abu-dhabi-353046<br /><br />Revenue has hugely grown and based on their earlier Q1 update, revenues continue to grow.<br /><br />As for water not being served on ATR flights - not true at all. Actually go and fly yourself and you will see - no need to spend unnecessary energy on trolling.<br /><br />But, you are probably too cheap to do so and i reckon that a bus fare is a stretch for you anyway. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-854170123072438392017-07-22T06:35:28.990+02:002017-07-22T06:35:28.990+02:00No4702 is outdated, we moved to No4711. Smells bet...No4702 is outdated, we moved to No4711. Smells better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-84706377178487090592017-07-22T00:03:11.350+02:002017-07-22T00:03:11.350+02:00Is JU's 'sweet deal' on airport charge...Is JU's 'sweet deal' on airport charges still in place ? <br />New incentive plan removes the incentive for airlines with 500k+ departing passengers but says 'To Airport Users who concluded contracts on implementation of discounts from the Price List of<br />Airport Services No.4702 dated 13.08.2014, will apply contracted discounts until expiry of the contract term. ' <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41856931521879943612017-07-21T23:32:17.610+02:002017-07-21T23:32:17.610+02:00Anon 6:01 where have you seen the revenue figures?...Anon 6:01 where have you seen the revenue figures? Did you mean profit is up because they stoped serving water on most ATR flights?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-17049857374120507412017-07-21T23:27:05.379+02:002017-07-21T23:27:05.379+02:00Petar - thx for the reference - a good pick up ind...Petar - thx for the reference - a good pick up indeed.<br /><br />Despite the fact that there are many differing opinions expressed on this website, we can all probably agree on this - that CAPA is a professional group of airline analysts, who as professionals, know much more about aviation than us enthusiasts who contribute our comments and engage in debate here on ex-yu.<br /><br />If we can accept that, then the last word on JU, should belong to the analysts at CAPA, who conclude:-<br /><br />"Air Serbia's progress since its relaunch in 2013 remains respectable".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-9353655027062658192017-07-21T22:28:49.254+02:002017-07-21T22:28:49.254+02:00Offer discounts to airlines with 2,5 mil or more p...Offer discounts to airlines with 2,5 mil or more passengers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-73420102469074826672017-07-21T22:03:16.791+02:002017-07-21T22:03:16.791+02:00Naravno da mogu osporiti, Air Serbia ima bolju usl...Naravno da mogu osporiti, Air Serbia ima bolju uslugu. Leteo sam kao putnik na stotinama letova od sedamdesetih. Usluga nije samo hrana i pice, koja je naravno bila obilnija per par decenija kao i kod svih drugih kompanja. Usluga je nazalost bila u proseku bila losa: uglavnom kiseli osmeh ako i toliko, jako mnogo kasnjenja, smrad duvana tokom boardinga, a jednom sam prosle decenije, i to se tacno secam u Amsterdamu, ulazio u avion kad me bukvalno preskoci oznojeni stjuard koji je imao pune ruke kesa punih cigara i alkohola iz duty free-ja. Otrcao je pored mene pravo do kraja aviona da skloni kese, kad je vec poceo boarding. Uzas. Mogu da pricam satima o ovakvim "uslugama". Air Serbia je za klasu ili dve iznad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-2290704983724178862017-07-21T20:26:36.689+02:002017-07-21T20:26:36.689+02:00Coffins? Pretty sure you meant coffers :)Coffins? Pretty sure you meant coffers :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-59960387038665883082017-07-21T20:24:10.338+02:002017-07-21T20:24:10.338+02:00This is hardcore delusional. When 4k finds a buyer...This is hardcore delusional. When 4k finds a buyer for Adria and the airline approaches 3 mil pax per year, then you can speculate about better or worse positions. For the moment, however, it's not even the same league we're discussing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com