tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post6600551213699954201..comments2024-03-28T17:47:28.772+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Serbia’s ghost airport deserted and forgottenEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger93125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-34854833336459574912021-02-24T14:59:18.653+01:002021-02-24T14:59:18.653+01:00Serbia doesn't need more than BEG.Serbia doesn't need more than BEG.DADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07674773760114584233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-25659526337270496222015-02-07T23:07:06.991+01:002015-02-07T23:07:06.991+01:00And why is Central Serbia 'some backwater dump...And why is Central Serbia 'some backwater dump'? This airport would serve surrounding cities and population of 2m. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-15450863200905564912015-02-06T01:05:56.810+01:002015-02-06T01:05:56.810+01:00Chill out,please and learn some manners. No need f...Chill out,please and learn some manners. No need for disrespect. But if that makes your day...<br /> i meant 'Outdid' in how far they managed to piss the passengers by charging them for everything. I'm not an expert, but CASM is how they compare costs. And we talk about Low COST carriers. Nobody mentioned yield. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-20028382940986355002015-02-05T13:26:23.725+01:002015-02-05T13:26:23.725+01:00@Aэrologic
Thanx.
@Aleksandar Stojanovic
So, yo...@Aэrologic<br /><br />Thanx.<br /><br />@Aleksandar Stojanovic<br /><br />So, you made my point - which of those two airports in Atlanta is not used enough? A USAF airbase? A general aviation airport in a city that hosts "Coca Cola"`s HQ? The letter has more than 200.000 operations annually, they claim. And what about Batajnica? And Kovin?<br /><br />Is it so hard to grasp that Serbia is the economy of dead assets: of airports with no planes landing, of rail tracks and stations that have not seen any train for weeks (or years), of unfinished public buildings and infrastructure, of vacant industrial facilities etc.? And no - Serbia is not any sort of prosperous, modern economy. Unlike Poland. And here`s one more example from that country. In Krakow, airport authorities did not want to reduce charges for LCC. Hence, local government threatened to build new airport, on military land. So, the airport reduced charges... and Krakow has seen an impressive growth in numbers of foreign tourists` visits. <br />But we seam not to care about that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-74068783902730648532015-02-05T01:38:12.720+01:002015-02-05T01:38:12.720+01:00@AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 12:32 PM, 4:16PM, 6:...@AnonymousFebruary 4, 2015 at 12:32 PM, 4:16PM, 6:00PM<br /><br />+1<br /><br />Fully support your arguments. Alongside Warsaw, Kiev is another example where two such airports coexist side by side all while catering to totally different markets. It's useless to argue, it looks like we're confronted with people who're afraid to think big and long term, hence all the arguments are useless. Thank you for joining the conversation and throwing in a piece of clarity of mind.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-61099041069126725292015-02-04T22:03:31.123+01:002015-02-04T22:03:31.123+01:00Koliko dugo vlada Srbije moze da odlaze dogradnju ...Koliko dugo vlada Srbije moze da odlaze dogradnju aerodroma MORAVA Kraljevo?. Kada ce to javno objaviti? I ako ova vlada nije odgovorna za gradnju civilnog dela aerodroma, ona je odgovorna za ulozenih 22 miliona evra uzetih preko poreza od svih ljudi zemlje Srbije. Dobijanjem vlasti vlada je preuzela sve obaveze. Ako je "promasena investicija", onda postoje potpisi ljudi koji su delimicno realizovali svoje zamisli, ali nisu zavrsili. Ostaje jedino po onoj narodnoj,"rodilo se, valja ga ljujati". Vlada gospodina Aleksandra Vucica, sa ministarkom za saobracaj, gospodjom Zoranom Mihailovic su duzni poreskim obaveznicima javno izneti detalje pocetka nastavka daljih radova i instalacija na ovom aerodromu. Dovodjenja LCC, Kargo i Carter operatera. Prema meni nemaju nikakav dug izuzev da zavrse Aerodrom Morava Kraljevo. Kao sto je receno 22 miiliona evra nesme u zemlji Srbiji biti promasena investicija ni sada ni u buducnosti. U suprotnom Srbija nece ostati samo bez dece, vec nestati kao HOPLESS country promasenih investicija i promasene buducnosti.<br />Jasam optimista da ce ova vlada zaista zavrsiti u potpunosti pomenuti Kraljevacki aerodrome. Vlada bez akcije, sa sprovodjenjem preuzetog od 2015 godine pa nadalje jeste neodrziva. U iducih 20 meseci ja vidim Moravu zavrsenu sa putnickim letovima. Sta kazu na optimisticke poglede, lideri vlade Srbije. Oglasice. Ne na moj komentar, vec kada to oni zele. Vladi uspeh, MORAVI civilnu avijacju, pa i meni uskoro srecan put za Sydney.<br />Rodney & friends. Home of Qantasville. Kraljevo + Sydney Rodney Marinkovichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16111579094217706583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-16950513367721410912015-02-04T20:10:52.612+01:002015-02-04T20:10:52.612+01:00Yes.
-Dobbins AFB is 20 miles from Atlanta.
-Dek...Yes. <br />-Dobbins AFB is 20 miles from Atlanta. <br />-Dekalb Airport has 4 runways and is 15 minutes from the center<br /><br />The difference is that in America, people understand that it makes no sense to have multiple airports unless the city is very large, which Belgrade certainly isn't. <br /><br />In the future, BEG's T1 could be exclusively for LCCs and charters, just like in CPH. <br /><br />A true competitive driven economy would have all the airlines given access to the same airport, without special benefits such as a single airline getting their own airport. If RyanAir can't compete in BEG, it means that they are not competitive or sustainable, and they have no place in a "modern, competition driven economy".aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-17347040148202055652015-02-04T18:00:18.912+01:002015-02-04T18:00:18.912+01:00Do they have any EXISTING, HEAVILY UNDERUSED airpo...Do they have any EXISTING, HEAVILY UNDERUSED airport in the vicinity of Atlanta/Budapest? 15 km from city center? With two runways, operating ILS, oversize in any sense for its current purpose? Well, in Warsaw they had one, and they converted it for air traffic. Poland is the example of a successful, modern economy in Europe.<br /><br />Your point is at the end of the post - that would be "against interests" of Tesla airport. Who gives a f... about that? What is in common interest (of Serbia and its economy) is the only that matters. And I gave my arguments for that above. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76769078790450572322015-02-04T17:45:56.668+01:002015-02-04T17:45:56.668+01:00Your point was about "modern, competition dri...Your point was about "modern, competition driven economy" and I gave you example from one. You can ignore the fact this is how things are sometimes done even in modern economies and believe in fairytales if you want.<br /><br />Your crusade for Ryan and Wizz interests will be going against interests of Belgrade airport which is currently owned by GoS and against new airport operator in the future. Why don't you try something easier, like LCC airport for Budapest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-45568295349104902122015-02-04T16:16:03.620+01:002015-02-04T16:16:03.620+01:00Really, I don`t care about yours either, and even ...Really, I don`t care about yours either, and even less about Atlanta`s and State of Georgia`s transportation policy. <br />Will not stop, instead - goin` to advocate Batajnica`s development strongly..<br />Cheers!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-49044164248545744782015-02-04T15:56:00.999+01:002015-02-04T15:56:00.999+01:00Modern, competition driven economy in the US offer...Modern, competition driven economy in the US offered Atlanta Hartsfield-<br />Jackson airport to Southwest instead of building second airport for lower cost airlines in the Atlanta proper and Southwest is now flying from ATL side by side with Delta and the others. Same in Budapest. Belgrade and area (including Novi Sad) will need second airport only after Tesla goes beyond 15 million. So STFU about Batajnica already no one cares about your own opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-69136904423790302272015-02-04T12:32:35.309+01:002015-02-04T12:32:35.309+01:00The investment to turn Batajnica into a civilian a...The investment to turn Batajnica into a civilian airport would be everything but significant - especially if we tailored the airport to Ryanair`s standards. Don`t tell me it costs so much to build a parking lot there?! Funny enough, Batajnica airport even has a railroad connection.<br /><br />The fact that we`d have to "double everything" suggest that we`d have more people employed in airline business, and that is the concept that majority in Serbia is unable to grasp: a modern, competition-driven economy, in complete contrast to "take Surchin or leave Serbia" monopolist approach. <br />And that is indeed the public attitude necessary for the anti-logic to prevail: it is better to have one airport serving 5 million pax, than two airports serving 5,5 million pax and employing a larger workforce. For that is precisely what you, anti-Batajnica lobbyists are pledging for. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-80266230561322899952015-02-04T04:27:02.748+01:002015-02-04T04:27:02.748+01:00The investment to turn Batajnica into a civilian a...The investment to turn Batajnica into a civilian airport would actually be pretty significant. There isn't even enough parking space there right now. Everything would need to be bought and built. All of this already exists in BEG. <br /><br />The land value would most likely not change much. Globally, airports tend to decrease land values rather than increase them. <br /><br />Two airports would require double everything. The government has no responsibility to cater to Ryanair, and they are welcome to open flights to any of the several civilian airports. BEG is actually a very good bargain compared to similar airports throughout Europe. <br /><br />The main issue here is that Ryanair doesn't get to have both their cake and eat it too. They shouldn't get access to the biggest market in Serbia, and get it for free. They can either fly to Nis, Morava, Uzice, or Vrsac for nearly no cost, or if they want access to the Belgrade market they must pay the cost to be the boss. <br /><br />aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-86740477171455887992015-02-04T03:55:17.009+01:002015-02-04T03:55:17.009+01:00you can talk about batajnica all you want, it is n...you can talk about batajnica all you want, it is not going to happen. deal with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-6713317161718622462015-02-04T03:51:28.353+01:002015-02-04T03:51:28.353+01:00Outdid them?!?! Joke of the month! How can you out...Outdid them?!?! Joke of the month! How can you outdo them if you don't compete in the same market? Wizz is East-West, it does not even play in West-West market. And Wizz certainly didn't outdo Ryan on profits! Cost you mentioned is CASM is one thing, yield is completely different. Ryan is better positioned to take on legacies with inroads to key airports and business class, something Wizz can only dream of! I am no fan of Michael's antics, but I am a fan of Ryan's results. Ryanair is in a class above Wizz!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-80022856012739679172015-02-04T02:53:28.262+01:002015-02-04T02:53:28.262+01:00What you all don't get is that Batajnica costs...What you all don't get is that Batajnica costs one way or another. By opening Batajnica:<br /><br />- Much higher influx of passengers to Belgrade<br />- Increasing the land value of an otherwise poor zone<br />- New job opportunities<br />- Alternative airport for the Belgrade area with two runways, to be used in the case of temporary closures at BEG (much better than Nis)<br />- Ryanair unlike Wizz Air (which pretty much tried to copy its network and undermine Jat on it) is no competition to Air Serbia. People who fly Ryan won't fly Air Serbia anyway and same for people who fly Air Serbia, they're unlikely to look for Ryan. On the other hand, Wizz Air is a more troublesome option which should better be put in Nis (or Batajnica obviously and fight with Ryan in-there).<br /><br />From the additional money you receive at Belgrade tourist board you can subsidise Air Serbia as much as you want, promote Belgrade as a tourist destination or even invest into BEG's new facilties that'll be needed one way or another. Things have to be looked-on in a very long term. If Serbia can get a chance to develop its second capital city airport then it should not hesitate to do so since it is a strategic investment that can be symbiotic with Air Serbia's model.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-46810625795672321022015-02-04T02:36:02.319+01:002015-02-04T02:36:02.319+01:00I don't think that the government has any need...I don't think that the government has any need to give LCCs a separate Belgrade airport, which would cost money, and is tantamount to giving subsidies to LCCs at the expense of Air Serbia and all other airlines. <br /><br />If Ryanair wants to fly to Belgrade, they can do what every other airline does and fly to an airport that already is open to civilian traffic, if BEG is too expensive for them, they have an option of multiple airports in Serbia that are attempting to attract service, such as Nis, Morava, Uzice, or even Vrsac. <br /><br />If Ryanair can't find an airport in Serbia that suits them, then too bad. It would show that their model is unsustainable. aleksandarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12904977131473241975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-28486592222434797482015-02-04T02:22:50.893+01:002015-02-04T02:22:50.893+01:00I think it'll only exacerbate the current tren...I think it'll only exacerbate the current trends:<br /><br />- ASL becoming more and more expensive to fly from Belgrade<br />- LCC's getting most of O&D passengers<br />- ASL becoming more and more a "transit airline"<br /><br />If you look at the larger picture, that scenario is quite inevitable. Just look at TK or EK. No Turks fly TK when they go abroad (the airline is hated in Turkey for being overexpensive and treating their customers like rubbish, all while wining awards abroad), while EK is always the most expensive to fly on from Dubai, besides few business people and airline staff no one uses it. Let's be real, no airline has so far succeeded to be both and i am as pessimistic concerning Air Serbia. So, in one way, that development seems inevitable. In order to offset the shortcomings of such a model, people should be able to use LCC's that can take them from point to point at a decent fare and most importantly - bring foreign tourists to Serbia. So far Air Serbia was trying to offset that with low-cost like promotions 3 days of the week out of 7, but it's a question for how long they'll keep on doing that in order to fill the not-yet matured transit routes. Ultimately, that costs money as well. So, in view of that i do actually support ultimately separating BJY and BEG.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-14542549033443487262015-02-04T01:44:12.817+01:002015-02-04T01:44:12.817+01:00The conclusion is that it depends on how much the ...The conclusion is that it depends on how much the low cost companies would like to expend in Serbia and also a BIG factor is the government willingness to bring low costs. At the same time I think that BEG airport and ASL would get hurt unimaginably if lets say wizz, ryan and other LC companies decide to move out of BEG. I would predict like 3 million pax only in BEG. I am not trying to argue btw, just my opinion! What do you think in regards to BEG airport and ASL in case Batajnica opens?Cevapi i Luknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41422162200228371032015-02-04T01:30:48.260+01:002015-02-04T01:30:48.260+01:00Now it all depeneds how much would they want to de...Now it all depeneds how much would they want to develop. If they would base an a/c or two that'll serve all those unserved markets and cater for some later growth, then i don't see why BJY should'nt be opened. It anyway costs money to maintain and they've got two runways over-there. Again, it depends on many factors and it's an option to be left on the table as one of the Belgrade-hub expansion options. I for one support the expansion of remote-stands at BEG, especially of the B one located between Tehnika apron and the taxiway. Around 20 jets could be parked around there with an easy runway exit and minimal investments.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-14308493082592780342015-02-04T01:27:29.962+01:002015-02-04T01:27:29.962+01:00People should be aware that this was only small ta...People should be aware that this was only small talk and that there is a chance that none of the airlines mention will come. From what I understood that politicar said that Ryan Air, Germania, Vueling, and what is the 4th company ( never heard of it) might come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-17847918584842074492015-02-04T01:14:42.182+01:002015-02-04T01:14:42.182+01:00^ I disagree to certain extent since BEG has more ...^ I disagree to certain extent since BEG has more than enough gate space to accommodate few Ryanair lines. Opening Batajnica would be waste of taxpayers money for lets say 2-3 wizz flights and 2-3 Ryan flights per day. Now during winter BEG has out of 16 gates like 10 empty ones most of the time plus you have to keep in mind that there are plenty of free parking space without gates. Obviously during summer it gets more busy and I think just by adding 4 more gates and expending overall C area would be more than enough to accommodate ASL expension plus Ryan and few other new carriers such as Germania ( as mentioned in the article) and Vueling. BTW I am talking about short term period ( 3-4 years). As for the long term plan it really would depend on overall ECONOMIC situation in the country.Cevapi i Luknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-16167219511579328202015-02-04T01:13:01.157+01:002015-02-04T01:13:01.157+01:00Ryanair has a very aggressive growth targets and t...Ryanair has a very aggressive growth targets and they are looking everywhere all the time. Some competition would be welcome. Wizz essentially copied Ryanair's model but then outdid them in all kinds of charges that you can think of. Baggage fees is the best example. <br /><br />BTW, I've read somewhere that Wizz air's CASM is comparable to Ryanair's and well below the rest of the pack. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60779595291648014182015-02-04T01:10:59.912+01:002015-02-04T01:10:59.912+01:00"Daj boze da FR dodje u BEG zanima me kako bi..."Daj boze da FR dodje u BEG zanima me kako bi se onda branio W6."<br /><br />There are plenty of routes unserved by W6 that would be of interest to a low-cost carrier:<br /><br />- Tel Aviv<br />- Catania<br />- Tenerife (Canary Islands)<br />- Barcelona<br />- Madrid<br />- Dublin<br />- Charleroi<br />- Secondary UK cities<br /><br />Those are cities absolutely not covered by W6 (or any airline out of Serbia), which have demand and that would fit perfectly into Ryanair's business plan. As surprising as it may seem, this development seems pretty logical to me.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-15999150185702709252015-02-04T01:00:56.633+01:002015-02-04T01:00:56.633+01:00That re-opens the whole question on whether Batajn...That re-opens the whole question on whether Batajnica airport should be opened to civilian air-traffic. In my opininon, it would be a much better investment than Kraljevo. I think it would be much smarter to open BJY to civilian traffic and move all the LCC's there, while freeing Nikola Tesla airport. Then, a refurbished T1 or T2 could serve as the exclusive terminal of Air Serbia&partners. From there-on, Batajnica could be developed as a low-cost hub. The only problem being, unlike in some other airports, the % of traffic of LCC in BEG is not that great, so i wonder how much would that improve the situation in the long run.Aэrologicnoreply@blogger.com