tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post6966557518047523815..comments2024-03-29T12:26:53.738+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: EX-YU awaiting US flightsEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-91152707582462982012-12-15T04:08:06.593+01:002012-12-15T04:08:06.593+01:00Attractive part of content. I simply stumbled upon...Attractive part of content. I simply stumbled upon your web site and in accession capital to say that I <br />acquire actually loved account your blog posts. 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Air Plus was not serious for that matter, just good will. And regarding this ghost airline in Croatia, it is just a ghost, no LH or politicans to blame here...for many other things yes, but not for this rumoured airline. Why dont you start an airline? Not in Croatia, if it is impossible cause of LH, go to US, Australia, Middle East...? Make this profitable venture from somewhere else?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-33670244267419566672012-07-26T22:03:43.668+02:002012-07-26T22:03:43.668+02:00All airlines buy (actually they don't buy any ...All airlines buy (actually they don't buy any more, they lease) planes, at more or less same prices. <br /><br />Maintenance (or as you say plane checks) costs, and lease (buy) costs, are already included in operational costs per hour per type I've listed. <br /><br />Marketing and "sale channels" are pretty much included in my list 1-9 where huge savings and cost cuts are possible. <br /><br />Every single serious businessman knows that profits are not to be expected on very beginning of the operations and losses arwe to be incorporated in starting account. <br /><br />For fuel costs and (not many but some) uncertanties, I agree. <br /><br />Aproximatelly 350.000 passengers yearly between ex-Yu and North America can hardly be called low yield market. <br /><br />And after all, I was not talking about some undefined ghost old-fashioned north american airline, but about very concrete airline registered in croatia which has been trying to start operations for years, but cannot due to corrupt politicians and incompetent so-called managers (politicians puppets) who all play for Lufthansa.pozdrav iz Rijekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14949814618001410140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-21518600283291755392012-07-26T21:53:57.235+02:002012-07-26T21:53:57.235+02:00Aerosvit still maintains a Kiev-New York non-stop ...Aerosvit still maintains a Kiev-New York non-stop and besides that a quite respectable long-haul network. And their fares are dirt-cheap.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-79008545750464987812012-07-26T21:41:59.989+02:002012-07-26T21:41:59.989+02:00You also need to calculate costs re marketing, sal...You also need to calculate costs re marketing, sale channels (GDS cost a lot), you need plane checks, new planes have to be bought out of something, and of course some profit should be made. Fuel cost is also changeable, and ticket value once sold remains the same etc....there are many additional costs and uncertainties related and I dont think running an airline is that simple or if it is that easy to set up money making route in such low yield markets as are all if ex yu....and thats I believe airlines allocate their assets (planes) to/from US elsewhere. Maybe they would have enough passengers, but not enough revenue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-40614374905051633392012-07-26T21:30:39.138+02:002012-07-26T21:30:39.138+02:00I must admit I agree with both of you if you talk ...I must admit I agree with both of you if you talk about "old fashioned" airlines (you mentioned some of them : LH,SQ,DL, AA...). <br /><br />By "oldfashioned" I mean : <br />1. plenty of represantations, offices, GSA's <br />2. more staff than really needed<br />3. strong trade unions which limit work <br /> productivity<br />4. huge unnecessary amounts of money for <br /> advertising, even when holding monopoly<br />5. sponsorships from A to Z and back<br />6. most expensive slots/airports<br />7. sometimes too luxurious catering<br />8. rarely mentioned, but corruptive affairs<br /> too, especcially on markets <br /> which function only that way<br />9. overpayed and overnumbered managers<br /><br />And so on and so on and so on...<br /><br />You both talk premium traffic, too. And yes, companies which function following "oldfashioned" pattern, with the items 1-9 just listed above, and much more, really NEED to have premium passengers for 3000 or more $, and economy for 1000 or more $, for return ticket, let's say very generrally Europe-East coast. In order to pay for all above listed.<br /><br />You both talk numbers, too. Let me now talk numbers, but from the other perspective, "cut cost" perspective, the only possible today. <br /><br />As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, one block-hour for, for example Q400, costs approximatelly 2000 euro, for E195/F100 approximately 4000 euro, for A320/321, is approximatelly 5000-6000 euro, for B763/A330 is approx. 8000 euro (or 10.000 $, let's stay with the last).<br /><br />Now imagine that we have 320 all economy seats in an Airbus A330, and we sell only about 80% (which is practically impossible because long-haul flights are ALWAYS FULL, no matter where from and where to), which means that we have 260 passengers on every flight.<br /><br />If A330 in question is flying, just for example, ZAG-JFK-ZAG (9 block hours heading west, 8 block hours heading east, 17 alltogether), it means that total operational costs for return flight are 170.000 $, or, divided with 260 passengers (80% LF !!!), it makes 650 $ per return ticket. If we add airport taxes, it is still no more than 700-750 $ or roughly speaking 500-600 euro. <br /><br />Therefore, the result does not have to be a failure. The failure are only politicans and so-called airline managers throughout ex-Yu, who don't care about aviation, don't care about their passengers, both in ex-Yu and overseas, and don't care for anything else except their pockets, at the same time not allowing people willing to start operations under the model just described.<br /><br />Otherwise, we could have had, long time ago, at least one decent ex-Yu airline to take us from/to at least USA&Canada for 700 $, instead LH,AF,TK,OS,BA and others for 1000 $ and more.<br /><br />And please don't tell me that what I'm talking about is low-cost concept because it is not. For this aerea, it's the only savy, sane and safe model, which could save us from arrogant prodigal shameless thief foeign airlines and their satellites here ..pozdrav iz Rijekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14949814618001410140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-38951636471179722832012-07-26T18:37:44.991+02:002012-07-26T18:37:44.991+02:00good statement. fully agree with you!good statement. fully agree with you!JU520 BEGLAXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-21292732043065623632012-07-26T11:41:00.801+02:002012-07-26T11:41:00.801+02:00Joke about time, so it is Jat and not JATJoke about time, so it is Jat and not JATAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-46861768727685215472012-07-26T02:10:04.789+02:002012-07-26T02:10:04.789+02:00I've heard that Budapest is the capital of por...I've heard that Budapest is the capital of pornography. Must be a lot of porn star business travelers :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-37153387882859228142012-07-26T01:10:01.849+02:002012-07-26T01:10:01.849+02:00I have to second the comment made above about prem...I have to second the comment made above about premium traffic. Most people here seem fixated on filling a plane. *That* would not be so much of a problem with reasonable destinations in the area like Belgrade or Zagreb. However, the modern economics of air transport are such that a TATL plane full of Q/W/T/L economy passengers (what pretty much all ex-Yugos buy) equals a losing operation. If you take the cost of operating a flight from BEG to NYC and divide it into equal fares across the all-economy cabin, you may get e.g. 1000$ r/t (say, for the sake of argument). But LH will be able to offer e.g. 900$ r/t BEG to FRA to NYC, because at least on the FRA to NYC leg they will have a full business cabin at 5000$ r/t. As a consequence no-one will buy the direct BEG to NYC flight and the whole scheme will collapse. This has been tried before. Trans-atlantic nonstops from Prague and Budapest or e.g. Delta's nonstops to, say, Kiev, have failed for exactly the same reason. It's the mentality/expendable funds issue: there aren't enough people to whom comfort and productivity are worth as much as modern business class commands, while on the other hand, due to competition, you can't charge higher economy class fares to compensate. The result is failure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-26783169399692987572012-07-25T23:35:03.864+02:002012-07-25T23:35:03.864+02:00@ Admin, where did you hear that Azal is in talks ...@ Admin, where did you hear that Azal is in talks with Jat for transatlantic flights?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-43373496143492599462012-07-25T23:34:16.188+02:002012-07-25T23:34:16.188+02:00true, but they do have an extensive regional netwo...true, but they do have an extensive regional network :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-16456747949175622062012-07-25T23:30:10.317+02:002012-07-25T23:30:10.317+02:00Cleveland does not have transatlantic flights, the...Cleveland does not have transatlantic flights, the ONLY successful flights we had over the ocean were to Beograd (via Ljubljana and Zagreb sometimes). Continental tried to London and Paris, and they did not work.<br /><br />And for that time, JAT was the only airline flying transatlantic to Cleveland.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-90845968727252544462012-07-25T23:07:27.415+02:002012-07-25T23:07:27.415+02:00You're not the only one to have traveled aroun...You're not the only one to have traveled around and for me Budapest has never been anything special. According to your definition Tehran is also not a metropolis, right? Budapest is a plastic and depressive tourist city and your suicide statistics talk the best. Where was Budapest and where was Belgrade until the 90's? You were begging at our borders for a pair of jeans and a can of Coke. Now, for me, Belgrade has many shortcomings but is still the city in the region that has the most to offer. And honestly, in E. Europe the only major capitals that are not shit-holes are Moscow and Kiev, Warsaw to some extent. Found no bypass, change your glasses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-26292094312341551312012-07-25T22:15:11.600+02:002012-07-25T22:15:11.600+02:00I, unlike some posers here have actually travelled...I, unlike some posers here have actually travelled extensively on business around Europe (and beyond) and know quite well what a city of 1 million or 1.5, or 2 million people look like. BG does not look like anything comparable to Budapest, Vienna or Buchuresti which are close to 2 million people. As far as its economic importance or influence outside of Serbia it is quite negligible. It is more like Sofia (in terms of airport traffic as well).<br /> I am Hungarian and often come to BG and I do not feel as if I am in some large metropolis. I know you people love your city (and that is OK) but please be realistic. BG lacks a lot of things which are found in most EU capitals, international chains of any sort, be it food, fancy restaurants, high fashion, hotels, stores, etc. The cars on the streets also reflect a poor country. <br />Most of my countrymen are not even familiar with BG because they don't travel there but they are very familiar with Croatia (and Montenegro too). Zagreb is a lot smaller than Budapest (but not as small as you make it out to be) but it does have a lot more international companies and it looks not only more European but also richer and cleaner. Just my 2 cents. <br />I know I will get a lot of comments against me, but who cares. As I said, perception of some people here and a perception of an average European are not the same.<br />Travel around Europe before you make uneducated comments. <br /><br />P.S. Quoting Wikipedia and the latest census results, BG has 1,154,589 inhabitants. I did not see any urban zones outside of the city limits, not even a modern bypass road.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60100105498652087192012-07-25T22:10:34.007+02:002012-07-25T22:10:34.007+02:00Thanks! I hope this gets updated soon to say Cat 1...Thanks! I hope this gets updated soon to say Cat 1: http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa/media/iasaws.xlsBEG2IAHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-20520607268500583162012-07-25T22:06:57.090+02:002012-07-25T22:06:57.090+02:00It was announced by the Serbian Civil Aviation Dir...It was announced by the Serbian Civil Aviation Directorate some time ago (Nebojša Starčević actually).EX-YU Aviationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-79795484825464468262012-07-25T21:59:07.218+02:002012-07-25T21:59:07.218+02:00Sounds good....enjoy your hike :) Talk to you soon...Sounds good....enjoy your hike :) Talk to you soonSamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-90565177291482408332012-07-25T21:55:25.930+02:002012-07-25T21:55:25.930+02:00probably biggest hurdle for BEG to get a transatla...probably biggest hurdle for BEG to get a transatlatic flight right now, is the fact that JU is not in an Alliance.<br /><br />to operate profitable flights u need feeders on both ends or u re really a hot spot like Paris, London, Zurich, Amsterdam etc.JU520 BEGLAXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51108090611023350882012-07-25T21:51:01.119+02:002012-07-25T21:51:01.119+02:00ok Sam I send u one later when i return home...jus...ok Sam I send u one later when i return home...just about to go out to the lake :-)JU520 BEGLAXnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-86707899873252603982012-07-25T21:48:35.886+02:002012-07-25T21:48:35.886+02:00Even today, I don't believe CLE has any transa...Even today, I don't believe CLE has any transatlantic flights. PIT gets seasonal ones from time to time. I think DL did PIT-CDG recently.Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-174404163057258112012-07-25T21:46:39.509+02:002012-07-25T21:46:39.509+02:00Hello there! Yes, I am leaving next week. I am tak...Hello there! Yes, I am leaving next week. I am taking AF. Have never tried them before. Send me an e-mail and I will tell you more details. I changed my computer and lost your e-mail address :(Samnoreply@blogger.com