tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post8040634585708102654..comments2024-03-29T02:11:52.308+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: US flights Air Serbia's primary focus in 2016EX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger85125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-7250831109373054322016-04-01T02:06:14.483+02:002016-04-01T02:06:14.483+02:00@Nemjee
It was not just overseas, it quote was: &...@Nemjee<br /><br />It was not just overseas, it quote was: "Overseas diaspora has purchasing power above cattle class and flies in from destinations Ryan, Wizz and Easy can't offer". <br /><br />Norwegian does not fly direct from USA or Australia to Ex Yu destinations that we are talking about here, and LCC's Ryan, Wizz and Easy do not fly widebodies overseas. Nemjee you are not stupid, you know this was about "open market" poster who keeps talking about 2 hour intra Europe LCC flights as if there is no need for any other connectivity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-39600723553306613832016-03-31T10:27:42.951+02:002016-03-31T10:27:42.951+02:00"Open Skies does not allow them to open a bas..."Open Skies does not allow them to open a base in Belgrade, it only allows them to introduce as many flights as they wish. If they wanted a base then they would have to get an AOC and that's something JU could block by using its political connections."<br /><br />And how exactly is Wizz Air flying from BEG? I don't see them having YU- registration or Serbian AOC...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-49555054701520273232016-03-31T08:00:13.882+02:002016-03-31T08:00:13.882+02:00I think the problem is that you won't have eno...I think the problem is that you won't have enough gates to board these planes which will be parked at the B platform. A4a, A4b and C7 tend to be used to board remote stands on the C side. Nemjeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-65565089974796370412016-03-31T07:58:15.458+02:002016-03-31T07:58:15.458+02:00Norwegian flies across the Atlantic and to BKK. Norwegian flies across the Atlantic and to BKK. Nemjeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-20576564214625440072016-03-31T07:51:18.844+02:002016-03-31T07:51:18.844+02:00"C""C"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-32185562829123903032016-03-31T05:30:53.383+02:002016-03-31T05:30:53.383+02:00Which gates were used at BEG when JAT had the DC-1...Which gates were used at BEG when JAT had the DC-10? Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14462936671903227196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-9909667354867176432016-03-31T03:38:13.998+02:002016-03-31T03:38:13.998+02:00Alitalia starts Mexico City in June. Would be grea...Alitalia starts Mexico City in June. Would be great if Air Serbia could add codeshare to that flight, talks were held in December to enable this!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-60149916995074099582016-03-31T02:57:51.778+02:002016-03-31T02:57:51.778+02:00@That is called an open market
First word of my p...@That is called an open market<br /><br />First word of my post is OVERSEAS! LCC's don't fly to Australia or America. Who's stupid now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-62944222012286163702016-03-31T02:22:46.349+02:002016-03-31T02:22:46.349+02:00Hvala na odgovoru. Zanimljiva zapažanja, zaista!
...Hvala na odgovoru. Zanimljiva zapažanja, zaista!<br /><br />1. Tačno. Destinacije na kojima ja letim nisu na ATR-u, ali kada se prisetim onih letova na ovom avionu, to zaista ne deluje udobno.<br /><br />2. Možda neki 3, 6, 12-month pass može da bude dobra ideja, takođe i način da se kupi lojalnost putnika. Mada cena bi morala da boli (svakako 50-100 EUR), a onda to opet ne pomaže...<br /><br />3. Opet, moji letovi su uglavnom tamo gde se služi full meal, dakle 2+ sata. Šteta za ovo, jer ako ništa drugo, Airbusevi imaju kapaciteta da pripreme lepu, toplu hranu. Neki wrap, topli sendvič, šta god. Nije to tako skupo.<br /><br />5. E sada, zavisi šta želiš. Ako imaš konekciju od sat vremena, nemaš ni vremena za jelo i piće i BEG je sjajan jer je mali. Nikome ko ima 3+ sata ne bih preporučio da sedi na Surčinu, nego taxi ili bus, pa do centra. Sadržaja zaista nema. Ovo nikada nemam prilike da vidim jer em što sam iz Beograda, pa nemam potrebe da jedem i pijem na aerodromu, em imam pristup JU loungeu koji je zaista odličan.<br /><br />6. Hm, hit and miss. Kod mene je baš suprotno iskustvo, imam čak i omiljenu policajku ;) Jednom mi je dala da se poslužim njenim telefonom kada me je izdala baterija. Mada, da, ima tih sa mobilnim koji su natmureni. Ali, srećom, tranzitni putnici njih ne vide.<br /><br />7. Celi međunarodni dolasci su veoma problematični, taksisti i parking koji izgleda kao da je na autobuskoj stanici ne pomažu...<br /><br />Hvala na diskusiji. Baš sam mislio da većinu ovih stvari tranzitni putnici ipak ne vide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-29516758957635832912016-03-31T01:06:03.789+02:002016-03-31T01:06:03.789+02:00Čuj, možda je premium usluga u business klasi, u e...Čuj, možda je premium usluga u business klasi, u ekonomskoj sigurno nije.<br /><br />1. ATR (koji lete iz ZAG, PUY i dobar dio letova iz SPU i DBV) su u vrlo lošem stanju, stari i iznutra izraubani, od 12 letova sa Air Serbijom imao sam 6 sa ATR-om, 4 sa 737-300 koji su u očajnom stanju i tek dva sa A319. I u ekonomskoj kabini A319 nisam bio baš nešto oduševljen. Očekivao sam bitno više.<br /><br />2. Wi-fi je preskup i ne koristiš ga. <br /><br />3. Hrana (oni sendviči) su očajni, pa sam ih dva puta samo probao i bacio, kasnije ih nisam ni jeo, mala bočica vode... Iskreno, ne znam po čemu bi to bila premium usluga.<br /><br />4. Dekica i jastučić su simpatična priča, ali na kratkim letovima više smetaju nego koriste.<br /><br />5. BEG kao transferni aerodrom je vrlo loš. U tranzit zoni jedva možeš popit kavu, ozbiljnog jela nema, duty free je loš. U usporedbi sa VIE, MUC, FRA, ZRH to je nebo i zemlja.<br /><br />5. Uz to policija, sigurnosne službe i aerodromsko osoblje su neprofesionalni, neuslužni, neljubazni, tmurni, svaki drugi se igra na mobitelu. Posebno negativno iskustvo su policajci (za razliku od cestovnih prijelaza srpske granice gdje me svaki puta oduševe). Iako to nije osoblje Air Serbije (kojem svaka čast) to stvara sliku o kompaniji i nikako nije argument koji privlači potencijalne putnike.<br /><br />6. Čistoća na BEG baš i nije najbolja strana, uređenje okoline aerodroma također (posebno parkirališta), gateovi A6-A10 su stvarno ispod svakog nivoa (a ko za peh OTP je svaki puta bio 737-300 iz A6-A10). A kad tome dodaš još taksiste koji te vuku za rukav i iskreno stvaraju mučninu pa nastojiš pobječi što prije iz terminala da te ne gnjave.<br /><br />Iskreno letio sam sa JU samo za BEG (P2P) i preko BEG na istok kada je cijena bila jeftinija od konkurencije. Čak i kada je OS bio 30 EUR skuplji radije sam letio preko VIE (OK, ja osobno volim VIE).Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-71776246806851579372016-03-31T00:55:37.484+02:002016-03-31T00:55:37.484+02:00Opet razumete sta vama odgovara odnosilo se na unu...Opet razumete sta vama odgovara odnosilo se na unutar Evroske letove ASL da imaju dosta putnka prema SPU i DBV , dok te gore 3 napisane kompanije prevoze vecinom domace turiste .<br />I naravni nsiam reko da je u ASL sa njima u rangu ali ima opet dobar deo putnika.<br />INN-NSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-67382833699144375512016-03-31T00:20:28.827+02:002016-03-31T00:20:28.827+02:00Zanimljiv argument, Purger. Ja JU doživljavam drug...Zanimljiv argument, Purger. Ja JU doživljavam drugačije, kao premium iskustvo, makar na intraevropskim letovima, u odnosu na sve pomenute kompanije. Zapravo, platio bih malo više da putujem sa njima, a kamoli ako su 50 EUR jeftiniji. Da li to znači da JU ima image u Hrvatskoj kao "jeftina" kompanija u smislu da sa njima letite samo ako su dirt cheap?<br /><br />Drugo, prilično je lako zaraditi Silver status kod Etihada (koji koristi i JU), za razliku od Miles & More ili skoro bilo koje druge pomenute kompanije. Dva povratna leta do JFK godišnje su manje-više dovoljna, u ekonomskoj klasi. A pogodnosti su bolje nego na Silver nivou kod M&M. Prema tome, razlog više za lojalnost upravo prema JU.<br /><br />Pitanje je konkretno o percepciji hrvatskih putnika o Air Serbia. Oni pokušavaju za izgrade premium brend, a ispada da su u rangu LCCa i da ih biraju samo ako su najjeftiniji, i to baš najjeftiniji. Jesam li u pravu?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-935949555023694162016-03-31T00:15:55.670+02:002016-03-31T00:15:55.670+02:00OK, so some flight will be boarded at B stands. Wh...OK, so some flight will be boarded at B stands. Why would that be an issue at all? It's not like they're far - I've had bus rides of 15-20 minutes at some airports, this one takes 30 seconds max.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-55622653166257520412016-03-31T00:11:36.578+02:002016-03-31T00:11:36.578+02:00All this talk of BEG being a "closed market&q...All this talk of BEG being a "closed market" is just speculation, until a company actually asks for Serbian AOC and gets denied or applies for flights and gets denied. Actually, it seems that DCA is pretty flexible on the rules (see WizzAir), even as lax as they are. <br /><br />I'm afraid the lack of competition is only due to lack of local demand (or disposable income). One, ten or even fifty people per rotation who bought dirt cheap tickets just lose money for the airline. It's the other fifty or hundred who pay fares equal or close to that of legacy carriers. In Serbia, and Serbian diaspora, you can easily find the first fifty, however, we are missing those who are willing and/or able to pay full fares on short notice to fly LCCs. And that's where the profit is, but there's just not enough demand. I'm sure you don't imagine a flight full of 10-euro tickets is enough to cover the expenses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-91279844504539746052016-03-30T23:47:18.458+02:002016-03-30T23:47:18.458+02:00What do you think why I put those companies?
INN ...What do you think why I put those companies?<br /><br />INN ajde sine nemoj se blamirat. CTN iz SPU i DBV ima P2P putnike, a mi ovdje govorimo o JFK putnicima i konkurentnosti tih letova iz SPU i DBV via BEG. Jedino vrlo niska cijena može učiniti ove letove konkurentnima. A iskreno letove koje sam ja tražio za ovo ljeto (oko 15.8.) iz ZAG nisu bili dovoljno konkurentni. Razlike ili nema ili je 50-tak EUR što me sigurno neće motivirati da koristim JU omjesto OS, LH, LO, BA, AF, KL, SN, SK, LX...Purgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-86601305562144171112016-03-30T23:09:54.630+02:002016-03-30T23:09:54.630+02:00thank you for the info.thank you for the info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-32324510570514174812016-03-30T22:44:31.677+02:002016-03-30T22:44:31.677+02:00Actually during that time there is maybe one or tw...Actually during that time there is maybe one or two gates that are free. <br />C7,8,9 and 10 are occupied with the Atrs, C1-6 are usually full with Air Serbia aircraft and then you have:<br /><br />1. Etihad <br />2. Lufthansa, MUC<br />3. Lufthansa, FRA<br />4. Pegasus<br />5. Aeroflot <br />6. flydubai<br />7. Lot on some days<br /><br />So you see, the noon period is quite busy at the airport and there will be an issue with gate space. Especially since the A332 will have to be brought to the gate at leas by 10.55.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-49052083002576693332016-03-30T22:35:06.005+02:002016-03-30T22:35:06.005+02:00As Etihad sees it:
AirSERBIA = HatalaHATALAAs Etihad sees it:<br /><br />AirSERBIA = HatalaHATALAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-56957668493122702222016-03-30T21:21:27.664+02:002016-03-30T21:21:27.664+02:00AB operates the Saturday evening flight:
eff 07MAY...AB operates the Saturday evening flight:<br />eff 07MAY16 Helsinki – Ljubljana AY723/724 Day 6<br /><br />http://airlineroute.net/2016/03/28/ay-ab32b-may16/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-29992687998081643712016-03-30T18:42:12.252+02:002016-03-30T18:42:12.252+02:00"that won't be the case when the flight d..."that won't be the case when the flight departs at 12.55 when in addition to the JU region you have LHx2, W6, YM, FZ and SU."<br />You are funny, there will be no issue even if 2 A330 were to come. At all times in BEG there is always at least 5-6 empty gates and plenty of remote positions. Even in passport control there will be no "guzva" if they open more "saltera". Whenever I go to BEG I always seen only 2-3 desks open and hence why sometimes there is guzva.<br />people are making a fuss about this single A330 as if a space ship is going to land :)<br />That is called an open market (BEG=closed market)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41915449966116222992016-03-30T18:37:12.338+02:002016-03-30T18:37:12.338+02:00"Overseas diaspora has purchasing power above..."Overseas diaspora has purchasing power above cattle class and flies in from destinations Ryan, Wizz and Easy can't offer. "<br />You really are plain stupid. In Western countries low cost airlines are flourishing and expanding each day but I guess you are not aware of that. Its not e about purchasing power, its about wanting to get from one point to another in Europe for CHEAP. I am from abroad and I dont need a sandwich and a drink for a 2 hour flight even though I could pay for even business class with legacy carrier.That is called an open market (BEG=closed market)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-83410146735336877112016-03-30T18:34:42.051+02:002016-03-30T18:34:42.051+02:00OT: anyone knows what's with AB operating flig...OT: anyone knows what's with AB operating flights for AY, HEL to LJU this summer season?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-34848303229018963772016-03-30T18:33:27.143+02:002016-03-30T18:33:27.143+02:00"Serbia has a legacy carrier which you would ..."Serbia has a legacy carrier which you would like to disappear so that foreign lowcosters can easily take over the market. Too bad that this wish of yours hasn't been granted but legacy is still a legitimate concept in aviation"<br />You fanboys never seem to end the argument. First I NEVER said that, are you blind? Why would I want JU to disappear since even the lowcosters need some competition,right?<br />"The problem is, even lowcosters do some homework before they open new routes. This includes purchasing power of the local population, real need for travel, presence of other airlines."<br />Purchasing power is in a shitty position in both of the countries that is for sure. Real need for travel as you say it is in Serbia actually not that small and I know a ton of people who still go to Budapest and Timosiara to catch flights which are not operated by Wizz from BEG. Presence of other airlines in BEG is MINIMAL actually since there are plenty of routes to which BEG is not connected, I will list some just for you: whole Spain market (dont give me shit that it would not work since even SKP with Wizz is doing great),Nurenberg,Weeze, Frankfurt Hahn, Cologne, Lubeck, etc (huge diaspora), plenty routes in Italy, Nordic countries and so on. I am not saying there is a massive capacity, but there is much more than people think. Dont forget that BEG also does not have KLM, BA, and AF and few other legaciesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76868168314119224932016-03-30T18:23:56.272+02:002016-03-30T18:23:56.272+02:00Overseas diaspora has purchasing power above cattl...Overseas diaspora has purchasing power above cattle class and flies in from destinations Ryan, Wizz and Easy can't offer. Counting on LCCs to cover all air transport connectivity needs is a joke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-20979233399080395662016-03-30T18:11:51.823+02:002016-03-30T18:11:51.823+02:00@ AnonymousMarch 30, 2016 at 6:03 PM
So, you are s...@ AnonymousMarch 30, 2016 at 6:03 PM<br />So, you are saying no to FR? You are saying NO to lower prices?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com