Air Serbia considering Superjet, Irkut aircraft order


Air Serbia is considering ordering Russian-made Sukhoi Superjet 100 and Irkut MC-21 aircraft according to the First Deputy Head of the Russian Government Office, Sergei Prikhodko. The Serbian carrier itself has not commented on the matter. According to Mr Prikhodko, the deal would likely include the establishment of an SSJ100 after-sales service centre which would be jointly managed by maintenance company Jat Tehnika and United Aircraft Corporation. Jat Tehnika completed certification to service the type in June in accordance with requirements set out by the European Aviation Safety Agency, which included staff training and acquisition of necessary equipment. "Supplying Russian-made aircraft to Serbia is being discussed in various formats. In particular, Sukhoi is working with the Serbian national carrier Air Serbia to upgrade the airline's fleet by purchasing the Superjet 100 aircraft”, Mr Prikhodko said. He added, “As for the MC-21, this type may be of interest to Air Serbia in the future”.

The Sukhoi Superjet has the capacity to seat between 87 and 108 passengers, depending on cabin layout and seat configuration. The SSJ100 has a single-engine option, the SaM146, manufactured by France's Safran in cooperation with Russia’s United Engines. The Russian manufacturer is already planning a new generation of the regional jet with extended capacity, new wings and new engines, which is expected to appear after 2025. On the other hand, the MC-21, which is in the testing phase and expected to enter commercial service next year, has the capacity to seat between 132 and 211 passengers depending on the cabin layout. The jet has been pitched to airlines as having an operating cost that is 5% to 7% less than Western competitors. Initial aircraft, including those undergoing flight testing, use Pratt and Whitney PW1400G-JM turbofans. However, Irkut would also like to offer Russian-made Aviadvigatel PD-14 turbofan engines.

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Sukhoi first approached and pitched the SSJ100 to the Serbian carrier in late 2015. Vladimir Lavrov, the Chief Designer at the Sukhoi Company, said at the time, "It is safe to say that talks with our Serbian colleagues were very successful. We found a few ideas that we will develop jointly and received a number of interesting proposals from our Serbian counterparts". In 2017, the plane maker reiterated it was negotiating with the Serbian carrier over a potential aircraft order. Air Serbia has been on the lookout to replace its regional fleet of six ATR72 turboprops, most of which were delivered new to the carrier's predecessor in 1990. The airline’s part-owner, Etihad Airways, cancelled an order for ten Airbus A320neo aircraft, which were destined for Air Serbia, at the start of the year. Instead, the Serbian Finance Minister said the national carrier would replace its current Airbus A319 and A320 jets between 2022 and 2025.




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  1. Anonymous09:01

    Well C-series is proving to be a disaster so it's good they are staying away from them.

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    1. Anonymous09:05

      Don't forget about Boeing's MAX and the scandal from a few days ago when documents were leaked showing they knew about MCAS and tried to cover it up. Oh and then there are engine issues with the Dreamliner, LO had to move Daxing launch because their third 787 was grounded once again.

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    2. Anonymous09:18

      C series has engine problems, which are US built P&W. Yes, its a problem, but one that the manufacturer has no control at the moment. Not the first time this happened in aviation.

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    3. Anonymous09:18

      +100000

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    4. Anonymous09:26

      Also Max has engine problems as well as ssj. Problem are western engines!!!

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    5. Anonymous09:27

      So build more engines in the east!!!!

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    6. Anonymous09:35

      Once China find enough metalurskih indjinira everything will be ok.

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    7. Anonymous09:35

      C-series had control over it before it launched the project with fake promises to its customers. Air Tanzania also had issues and so did airBaltic.

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    8. Anonymous14:18

      With all the issues it has, C series (aka A220) is not even remotely close to level of disaster SSJ is having. So, don't troll...

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    9. Anonymous15:12

      Right because Swiss grounding its entire C-series fleet is no big deal or Air Tanzania experiencing engine failures and same as BT...

      At least SSJ is not problematic in that sense. Nor are its engines shutting down. lol

      However on this blog there is a trend to always elevate to heavens anything that comes from the West.

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    10. Anonymous16:48

      Engines are exactly biggest single issue with SSJ. Aeroflot needed to make a stock of spare engines to keep SSJ fleet operating.
      Why don't you educate yourself before you start posting here?

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    11. Anonymous17:06

      https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/05/21/802108-proizvoditel-ne-reshil

      or, english translation:
      https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vedomosti.ru%2Fbusiness%2Farticles%2F2019%2F05%2F21%2F802108-proizvoditel-ne-reshil

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    12. Anonymous18:42

      I am not the one who needs to be educated. Despite some minor issues planes are still flying. Your precious MAX is not and C-series will probably end up grounded as well at some point. 787 is already a mess, look at how many DY or LO planes are constantly grounded.

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    13. Anonymous18:57

      I don't have precious or favorite plane. You need to be educated because you obviously dont have a clue about subject.
      Link that I gave you is from russian portal.

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    14. Anonymous18:57

      I don't understand what you Boeing and C-series apologists are trying to do? Show that those planes are great? What's teh end goal here?

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    15. Anonymous19:31

      Actually, what is not fully understood is why are you trying to spin this news: we should be discussing JU's possible decision to acquire SSJ, not the engine problems MAX and C have.

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  2. Anonymous09:01

    lol

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  3. Anonymous09:02

    No, Air Serbia is NOT going to fly SSJ. This was a marketing move only.

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    1. Anonymous09:03

      " In particular, Sukhoi is working with the Serbian national carrier Air Serbia to upgrade the airline's fleet by purchasing the Superjet 100 aircraft”, Mr Prikhodko said.

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    2. Anonymous09:05

      People also used to say how they would never fly from Nis.

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    3. Anonymous09:05

      And what possible reason do we have to trust Mr Prikhodko?

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    4. Anonymous09:06

      Again, nothing will transpire. There will be no SSJs in Air Serbia. 100%.

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    5. Anonymous09:07

      @Vlad

      I doubt the guy would just randomly make it up.

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    6. Anonymous09:11

      @ Anon 09:05
      They would never fly from INI if they hadn't received a lot of money!

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    7. Anonymous09:13

      Russian wishful thinking

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    8. Anonymous10:24

      One should not forget all next gen high by pass ratio engines have issues including those on 748, 787, A350, A388, A220 in particular but incomparable with design issues of SJ.

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    9. Anonymous10:40

      What design issues on the SSJ are you talking about?

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    10. Anonymous10:41

      There will be no Russian jets at Ait Serbia, period. Deal with it.

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    11. Anonymous10:42

      LOL if you say so I will take your word.

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  4. Anonymous09:03

    I think JU is preparing another round of expansion soon. I noticed BCN is already increased to three weekly from the first week of June. Vueling has also changed their flights and they are directly attacking them. A regional jet could do wonders for JU in such situations.

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  5. Anonymous09:04

    Jesus ... hopefully not. They need smaller regional planes. Flying with a 100 seater to Zagreb or Skoplje would not be profitable.

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    1. Anonymous09:06

      SKP was increased this summer and in October they sent the A319 so I don't see why it couldn't sustain an SSJ type of plane?

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    2. Anonymous09:14

      I highly doubt they would fill A319 on regional routes in winter, they definitely need a smaller plane for 6 months of the year ...

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    3. Anonymous09:27

      Agree

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    4. Anonymous10:09

      They should keep away from Sukhoi. JU needs a RELIABLE and economic aircraft.
      Better look for used E-Jets for regional flying and some used but much younger ATRs for the turboprop replacements.

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    5. Anonymous10:11

      Last anon +1

      E-jet has proven to be a reliable and versatile regional aircraft. Sure, it costs slightly more to operate than CRJ, but the cabin is much more comfortable and it's capable of going to places like LCY, etc.

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    6. agree, E-Jets prove to be one of the few that does not facing serious issues lately. But SSJ has bigger and comfortable cabin - a big plus for longer routes.

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  6. Anonymous09:04

    SSJ's definite advantage is that is a very green aircraft and has low operating costs.

    Not burning any fuel while waiting weeks/months for spare parts is very good for environment and it costs less if the aircraft was actually flying.

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    1. Anonymous09:07

      That's why they want to build a maintenance center in Belgrade so that spare parts can be easily delivered.

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    2. Anonymous09:08

      Yes, because the issue is only storage. It's not like you can nowadays ship anything worldwide in 2-3 days and overnight in Europe.

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    3. Anonymous09:11

      Nice one :)

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    4. Anonymous09:11

      Of course you can but the logistics on the side of SSJ is the problem. There is a reason why Russian airlines have no problems operating the aircraft. A maintenance base in BEG would have all that is needed.

      But maybe you are right, if we are going green then we should definitely consider MAX. After all Boeing's wonder plane is sitting much more on the ground than the SSJ... that is when it's not crashing from the skies.

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    5. Anonymous09:17

      Padanje aviona nije nesto sa cime se treba takmiciti na jednom avio blogu.

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    6. Anonymous09:22

      I u Rusiji je održavanje Sukhoi Superjeta skupo i neisplativo. Yamal je otkazao svoju narudžbu za preostalih 10 SSJ zbog skupog održavanja.

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    7. Anonymous09:29

      Yamal has 39 SSJ. if they were uneconomical they would have been retired.

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    8. Anonymous09:31

      The fact that airlines (IAG) are still ordering MAX even though it's grounded versus no airlines outside of Russia operate SSJ (yes, I know, Interjet, but they are doing their best to get rid of then) which is flying normally tells you everything.

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    9. Anonymous09:38

      It was not an order but a letter of intent that IAG signed with Boeing. Massive difference. Also many airlines have cancelled their MAX orders after the catastrophic results. Several United planes could have crashed but thank God pilots had adequate training to avoid the deathly spiral.

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    10. Anonymous09:38

      Anon 09:29
      Yamal ima ukupno 39 aviona u floti a od toga su 16 SSJ.

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    11. Anonymous10:14

      737 is still the most selling commercial airliner in the history of aviation. And the MAX variant still has more than 4500 unfulfilled orders.

      SSJ on the other hand. Well, let's say for an aircraft that doesn't have any severe issues not allowing it to fly (unlike MAX or B787 with RR engines), having half of the fleet grounded with aircraft being on the market for 10 years and 90% of the aircraft operated only in Russia. Well, it speaks volumes.

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    12. Anonymous10:41

      What speaks of volumes is that Boeing no longer makes high quality planes.

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    13. Anonymous16:52

      I read that Serbian technicians have already been trained in SSJ maintenance earlier this year. Add the opening of a maintenance center at Belgrade Airport and this could be a good move. Great little plane.

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  7. Anonymous09:07

    I might be prejudicial, but I do not know if this is the way to go for JU.

    Availability of spare parts is one issue, another problem is if the plance has issues on airports outside BEG.. I doubt that European maintenance staff will invest in training and equipment for SSJ. Therefore, what happens if the plane breakes down in ATH, SKG, MLA or where ever.

    On the other side, I guess SSJ is desperately looking for a European carrier to acquire SSJ. They might have given JU serious discounts.

    FInally, small jet plance would be ideal for the region and for openning up some interesting new routes, such as in the Caucasus, RIX, KIV, GOT and give VAR, WAW another try.

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    1. Anonymous09:09

      Well this summer JU A319 broke down in Paris and it stayed there for three days waiting for spare parts. So an SSJ would probably be in the same situation, it would wait for spare parts to be sent from Belgrade.

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    2. Anonymous09:59

      You are assuming every single spare part would be available in BEG, which is not the case.

      Airlines only stock parts needed regularly (wheels, tires, light bulbs, cabin items, etc.), not every single part for the aircraft. For all the other small bits and for things like large damage repair, a very good 24/7 AOG support is a must, something that both Boeing and Airbus provide.

      You think Interjet with 20+ aircraft wouldn't rent a large warehouse and stock all the parts if this would solve all of their problems?

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    3. Anonymous10:14

      How do you know that's not the case here? Do you have proof or is it wishful thinking.

      Interjet did not have a regional maintanance facility like JU might have, you are comparing apples to oranges.

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    4. Anonymous10:21

      People, "regional maintenance facility" at every single airport is not required to operate normal reliable aircraft. Does Wizz Air have "regional maintenance facility" in TZL? Does JU have "regional maintenance facility" in INI?

      If you have a decent stock of parts and engineers and decent AOG support from the manufacturers, there is no issue. With Sukhoi however, as every non-Russian airline has been complaining, such support is non-existing.

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    5. No chance for Air Serbia to be back to WAW. After LOT started flying nearly twice daily to BEG with fair starting from 49€ no space for competition. And most of Air Serbia passengers use to be transit passengers from Skopje, Podgorica, Beirut, Larnaca, Ljubljana and Zagreb now LOT flies to all these destination directly and some of them twice daily!

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  8. Anonymous09:07

    So that explains why those 4 Sukhois came to Jat Tehnika this summer

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    1. they came for cabin refit

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    2. Anonymous10:45

      Exactly, meaning Jat Tehnika is now certified to do work on Sukhois.

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    3. Anonymous17:05

      Yes, because cabin refurbishment is just as complex as doing heavy checks, right?

      "Jat Tehnika Base Maintenance offers comprehensive maintenance, repair and overhaul services on Boeing 737 Classic/Next Generation, ATR 42/72 and Airbus A320 family."

      From their website...

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    4. Anonymous17:07

      They have not updated their site since 2016. Also the Russian guy said they are certified to do checks on Sukhois.

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  9. Anonymous09:13

    Jokers, same plot as with Adria, exact copy-paste...

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    1. Anonymous09:23

      +100

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    2. Anonymous09:32

      Except that JU has government for regular life support and doesn't need Sukhoi to invest in the airline.

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  10. Anonymous09:14

    Somehow I can see ATR 72-200s and later 500s being replaced with more 500s or 600s. B733s being replaced with used A319s as it is case now. And current A319/320s still have enough life. So I guess ATR replacement is more burning issue than SSJ CS MRJ fantasies. In a decade maybe.

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    1. Anonymous09:16

      JU never found an adequate replacement for their DC-9s. SSJ is exactly that or any other regional jet for that matter. They need those more than A319s.

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    2. Anonymous09:25

      Why must ATR72 be replaced with jets? It would be much better and cheaper current 72/200 fleet to be replaced with 72/500 or 600 and to keep flying it in the region.

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    3. Anonymous09:29

      Because hipsters can not fly with props.

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    4. Anonymous15:13

      They will love the Atrs once they realize they are parked on remote stands so they can take great selfies.

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  11. Anonymous09:16

    There is no chance SSJ100 to enter JU fleet despite good olitical relations between Serbia and Russia.

    The point is that this plane would be 4th different aircraft type in JU fleet and it would cost o a lot of money and efforts to maintain. Also this plane has been rejected by many airlines and the problem with spare parts is tremendous.

    Good luck Russians trying to seel it to Mongolia, maybe.

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    1. Anonymous09:39

      Many are starting to reject MAX, does it mean Boeing has failed?

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    2. Anonymous09:46

      Surely they faild with MAX, but Boeing has many other airplane types in their production.

      How many does Sukhoi have?

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    3. Anonymous11:05

      5 or 6 depends how you count versions.

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    4. Anonymous15:22

      And those are...

      Any wide body?

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    5. Anonymous15:26

      Oh yeah many different planes are made by Boeing, like the Dreamliner that has lithium batteries that are set on fire... that is when engines are not shutting down. Then they have the 779 whose door just exploded and whose engines are not performing well then there is the MAX debacle...

      Boeing is doing so well that they are thinking of bringing back 767 to life. LOL!

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    6. Anonymous15:41

      Talking of Boeing, did you know that fire detectors and fire extinguishers in the cargo hold were sold as an extra for the Dreamliners? Some countries like Japan required it by law so Japanese airlines had to get it but some other didn't. How about that, imagine selling that as an extra? They are becoming worse than freaking Ryanair.

      Long are gone the days when Boeing made good, reliable aircraft.

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    7. Anonymous17:17

      Fire detection is mandatory for most of the cargo areas, but fire extinguishing is optional as you say - cargo aircraft don't have fire extinguishing in the main deck cargo area (where pax would normally sit). But every single airliner needs fire detection and extinguishing for the belly cargo compartments and the extinguishers even need to be able to suppress the fire for longer in case of ETOPS aircraft, such as B787.

      I don't know where you are reading such BS.

      Yes, lithium ion batteries perhaps weren't the best idea, but there again, it was the first airliner this size using this kind of batteries. Sometimes thing don't work as expected, but this is how we learn in aviation sometimes - by trying something majority of the people think it's a good idea and perhaps only years later it turns out that it wasn't. So new rule is made and the existing problem fixed to ensure safety.

      Couple of years ago on the A320, it was required to reset 2 computers after each engine start, to prevent potential loss of control in-flight. Did anybody make a big fuss about it? No. Airbus created a temporary procedure for pilots and fixed the problem in couple of months with a software upgrade. This is how aviation works.

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    8. Anonymous18:45

      They need them but Boeing was charging them as an extra for airlines, not as a default part of the aircraft.

      You certainly seem obsessed with jusifying and defending Boeing. I guess your inferiority complexes run deep my friend. East bad. West good.

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    9. Anonymous21:48

      I couldn't care less where the aircraft is made.

      All I know is, Boeing can't sell an aircraft without cargo fire detection/extinguishing. Nor can any other manufacturer.

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  12. Some of you guys are so hypocrites! When this type of aircraft was destined to Adria many said that this Russian made is totally a disaster. Now many of you are like....... Hmm... let's concider it about this a little bit more.

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    1. Anonymous09:30

      The most people here agree it is bad for JU

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    2. Anonymous09:38

      Do most really agree? I am not too sure.

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  13. Anonymous09:38

    Interesting. Somehow I doubt Air Serbia would go for SSJs in the end. The easiest thing to do to replace their existing ATRs is to just get new ATRs.

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  14. Anonymous09:38

    The SSJ could be a decent replacement for the A319 which is too big for many routes JU serves.

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  15. Anonymous09:39

    Does anybody know the listing price of a superjet? I can imagine thar it's much lower than a A319

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    1. Anonymous10:02

      35 mil USD

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    2. Anonymous15:43

      Real question is not about list price, but price what you can obtain. Beside price, time is critical also. You can buy jet with price of ATR and can have it immediately.

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    3. Anonymous17:22

      Initial purchase price (or rather lease per month) is only one of the things to be considered. Sometimes operating costs are more important.

      You can get a very cheap lease on the A340 or B747 (pax). Why do you think this is the case?

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  16. Anonymous09:40

    Since manufacturers are struggling with new models, it's time for Utva to start making passenger aircraft!

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    1. Future embodies limitless possibilities :)

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  17. Anonymous09:42

    the statistics on this blog for this month will be shuffled around again, cant wait to see from where the troll brigade is from ...

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    1. Anonymous09:46

      But why do you think that anyone who disagrees with you is a troll?

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  18. Anonymous09:57

    Nothing would surprise from JU anymore.

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    1. Anonymous10:01

      Why so? They are not bad airlline at all

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  19. Anonymous10:08

    I would not go for Sukhoi.

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    1. Anonymous10:12

      Agree. The SSJ's problem is that all of its spare parts support is horrible. Just like all other Russian made civilian aircraft they just do not provide adequate parts in a timely manner. There is no reason for JU to get involved with an aircraft that all of its non-Russian customers are trying to get rid off.

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  20. Anonymous10:09

    What is an after sales service center?

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    1. Anonymous10:16

      After sales service is all the things you do for the care of your customers after they buy your product. So a service center in Belgrade would basically mean a dedicated maintenance center for Sukhoi planes.

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  21. Anonymous10:13

    Seems like the same deal they offered to Adria.

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    1. Anonymous10:15

      How many SSJ100s did Adria order? Can't remember.

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    2. Anonymous10:18

      15

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    3. Anonymous10:19

      But they were supposed to be a mix. Some would be knew some second hand.

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    4. such deal is not applicable to Air Serbia because Etihad as nonk-EU entity already owns 49%

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  22. Anonymous10:16

    Maybe this is why they cancelled the sale of Jat Tehnika?

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    1. Anonymous10:21

      They didn't

      https://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2019&mm=10&dd=16&nav_id=1604610

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  23. Anonymous10:26

    Really interesting that the MC21 is using US-made Pratt & Whitney engines. Quite surprised by this.

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    1. Anonymous10:36

      They plan to substitute them with Russian engines.

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  24. Anonymous10:37

    What's the range of the MC21?

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    1. Anonymous10:37

      I mean can it fly long haul?

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    2. No, but it is more than enough to fly around Europe and to Middle East. The plane is not bad, but the support is a big question mark.

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    3. Currently 6400KM/3500NMi but they are planning long range versions which should allow it 7900KM/4200NMi.

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    4. As FYI, BEG-JFK is 7254KM and you must remember that you always have to have reserves in case you have to circle or divert, have headwinds, etc.

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  25. Anonymous10:44

    Experts on here claimed JU should not be flying to KRR or HEL yet here we are.

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  26. Anonymous10:47

    Pretpostavljam da ce ljudi koji su u AS zaduzeni za flotu sesti,staviti sve na papir,sabrati,oduzeti i doneti pravu odluku. A da bi dobro dosli avioni sa oko 100 mesta,dosli bi. Recimo 3 A319 idu za Aviolet a 3 SSJ ubaciti za redovne linije. Bili bi idealni za regionalne letove pogotovu sto bi u jednom talasu mogli da okrenu dve rute.

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  27. And why so much hate ppl? Mr Prikhodko got into talks that may result in offer for SSJ procurement or lease. Why should Air Serbia bail out from such talks? It would be bad business decision not to hear what someone has to offer.

    Most of the problems are related to SSJ engines and failure of French part to deliver hot section according to promised specs and overhaul intervals.

    Non-existance of spare engines was also problem. For that reason SSJ reduced nuber of delivered aircrafts last year to make sure there will be enough spare engines on the market.

    They invested heavily into support and maintenance. There must be some improvements over last two years or so.

    I'm not preteding to be some aviation expert at all. It just happend that I am watching SSJ news very carefully because I really like the plane, but, like most of the new airplanes SSJ has teething problems too.

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    1. Anonymous23:47

      SSJ is not a new plane, it is on the market from 2011.
      For 8 years, none of the problems was resolved, engine is still produced as faulty, their spare part stock is also suffering from damaged part. All foreign operators stopped to fly this plane, domestic are "convinced" to buy some (including Aeroflot) with pressure & additional subsidies that comes from government. Aeroflot has separate stock of spare engines which is not big enough to enable them flying whole fleet. Even leasing companies (Russian) are suing producer because of malfunctioning planes.
      New version, based on so called "russification" of the plane (ie. replacing some of the foreign parts including engine with Russian parts) is not coming on time, there was suggestion for resize of plane but it was refused, etc.
      And of course, airlines are not getting any compensation for grounded planes (unlike with other producers).
      So, after wasting 8 years on this project, SSJ100 is a big NO-NO to any remotely serious airline company. Only way that our Russian friends could sell it is some shady business model, like they tried with Adria.

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  28. Anonymous11:09

    ok, lot of pros and cons. purely technically speaking, this is a good plane, good range, both CityJet and Interjet were/are satisfied with plane's performance. the main problem with this plane is difficult maintenance, spare parts availability and the lack of service facilities. now, if this changes, ie Jat Tehnika becomes certified service facility for SSJ, and they supply them with enough spare parts, then this plane could have potential again. but, knowing Russians, ain't gonna happen

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    1. Anonymous12:12

      Well, knowing russians, TU 134 proved to be a very reliable workhorse with Aviogenex, exploited on 24/7 basis during summers.

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    2. Anonymous13:32

      I wasn't referring to that part regarding planes, SSJ did well, until maintenance issue rose. and that's where it failed. I was referring to parts supply and customer support. which is virtually nonexistent

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  29. Most of the sukhoi fleet worldwide is grounded as the aircraft is not reliable. If you want trouble and maybe bankruptcy, bring it on board...

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    1. Anonymous15:15

      Do you have a source to back your claim that most of the fleet is grounded? The last time I checked those in Russia are regularly flying especially with Aeroflot.

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  30. Anonymous12:14

    Сухой did not manage to persuade JP but I am confident they will manage with JU.
    The SuperJet will be the best and most efficient aircraft. Cheaper and reliable with a higher safety record with no more crashes.
    A collaboration with Ямал is needed to have more stake in the Russian market....

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    1. Anonymous12:20

      You are quite misinformed. Not only did they persuade Adria but Adria ordered 15 planes and sent pilots for training. Adria also created a new MRO business Super Adria MRO for the Sukhois. The deal fell through when Adria decided it would not pay any money to Sukhoi and instead offered them a 49% stake in Adria instead.

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    2. Anonymous15:01

      SuperJet is flying disaster.

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    3. Anonymous15:16

      The Adria deal fell through because they wanted Sukhoi to buy 50% of the airline. The deal falling through had nothing to do with the high quality of the aircraft itself.

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    4. Anonymous17:29

      "The SuperJet will be the best and most efficient aircraft."

      Yep, keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

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  31. Нисам сигурсн да ће Ер Србија куповати Руске путничке авионе. Првенствено не Сухој 100. За МЅ 21 можда ако
    су са Прат & Витни, или Џи Еи моторима.
    Лично немам наклоности за Руске путничке авионе и за аутомобиле. Једноставно сам више опредељен да са Русима
    одем у цркву на молитву. А за путничке авионе бар за сада
    немогу се поредити... Додуше има доста до краја 21 века.
    Тржиште ће одлучивати ако буде слободно.
    На крају добре жеље за Ер Србију.
    Rodney Marinkovic. King Park 2148 NSW Sydney.
    ✈🌐✈🌍😇💒☺✈🌎🌏✈🔆✈🔅✈✨✈

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    1. Anonymous15:31

      Ali tržište nije slobodno, to možeš vidjeti kad Amerika uvodi dodatne carine EU zato što su subvencionisale Airbus. Istobtako Srbija je dobila Migove, T72, transportere, političku i diplomatsku pomoć u UN, i sad je vrijeme da kupi nešto. Što se samog aviona tiče, on nije 100% ruski tako da te nije strah da sjedneš u njega (pogotovo ako si prije toga bio sa rusima u crkvi). Istina je da svi novi avioni imaju problema, a ovi što ih ima SSJ100 nisu nerješivi, u stvari to je već skoro riješeno. Dakle SSJ vjerovatno nije idealan avion, ali bi mogao biti idealno rješenje uz pravilno korišćenje.

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    2. Anonymous17:08

      Ništa nije "skoro rešeno", problemi su i dalje tu. Trenutni SSJ100 je realno mrtav projekt, da li će uspeti da naprave v2.0 ostaje da se vidi.

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    3. Anonymous20:52

      Da, tako je, svi su na zemlji, ni jedan ne leti...

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  32. Anonymous15:30

    JU didn't operate Soviet jets when commies were in power in Yugoslavia and certainly won't operate Russian jets in the future. Decision is not based on technical or financial merit, it is simply a strategic one. West can and will provide all the commercial aircraft Air Serbia needs. Time to move on to other topics.

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    1. Anonymous15:43

      I don't get the point of your last sentence. So just because you think this topic is finished we are all supposed to move on and never speak of it again? Ok, sure.

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    2. Anonymous16:23

      You are free to waste your time discussing SSJ capabilities, maintenance process or anything else but you won't change the outcome.

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    3. Anonymous16:25

      This is an aviation forum, we are here to discuss topics, all topics. Don't know why you are so triggered by it. If we were to follow your logic we wouldn't be discussing anything at all.

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    4. Anonymous18:11

      Have fun discussing a dead deal

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    5. Anonymous18:46

      Seems like you don't mind commenting either, what's up with that?

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    6. Serbia is closer to Russia now than they were "when commies were in power". What happened 30+ years ago doesn't dictate the future. I agree the decision is a strategic one and because of Serbia's position it is possible (but no a given) that Air Serbia will fly Russian planes. I agree it won't necessarily be a technical nor merit based decision in the end.

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    7. Anonymous02:37

      Adria is more likely to rise from the ashes and operate SSJ than Air Serbia is.

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  33. Anonymous17:09

    This will be the end for Air Serbia .

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  34. Anonymous18:30

    Captcha takes me too long to comment !!!
    :(

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  35. Anonymous20:04

    The EU is planning new sanctions against Russian companies like Sukhoi and could also prohibit flying with the Superjet into EU-Airports.
    What will Air Serbia do in this case ?
    They will have to ground their whole fleet immediately !

    This is a political issue and has nothing to do with the quality of the Superjet .

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    1. Anonymous20:33

      So you think in that case I won't be allowed to drive my lovely Lada anywhere in Europe?

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    2. Anonymous21:50

      The only reason why SSJ could be prohibited in Europe is safety. There is no evidence of any safety issues with SSJ.

      In case of embargo, however, the already poor supply of spare parts could get even worse. Look at Iran's issue couple of years ago with obtaining spare parts for their aircraft.

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  36. Anonymous20:51

    Hahahahaha, what a genius move, hahaha

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    1. Anonymous22:24

      Of course it is. What JU can do is borrow the Mexican ruski jets and upgrade all them ATRs to Сухой Супер Джет. Sukhoi is working excellent for SU, Yamal...

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  37. Anonymous11:26

    I am no expert, but I don't think this is going to happen.

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  38. Anonymous12:50

    Air Serbia saw articles about Fly Bosnia and said: this competition in stupidity cannot go without us.

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    1. Anonymous17:39

      Not funny. Air Serbia did not say anything about SSJ, it was some Russian official. If you cared enough to read the news before attempting to make a joke about Air Serbia, here's what article says: "Air Serbia is considering ordering Russian-made Sukhoi Superjet 100 and Irkut MC-21 aircraft according to the First Deputy Head of the Russian Government Office, Sergei Prikhodko. The Serbian carrier itself has not commented on the matter".

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  39. Anonymous15:23

    Ako vidite šta su rusi dovezli (Pacir i S-400) onda vam je jasno da će SSJ100 biti baziran na Surčinu... Politika, moć i ekonomija idu jedno s drugim pod ruku

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  40. Anonymous20:23

    The Russians are active these days: according to Russian media, Norwegian are buying no less than 40 superjets. According to Norwegian that's not gonna happen...

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    1. Anonymous20:24

      https://finansavisen.no/nyheter/luftfart/2019/10/25/7466470/norwegian-avviser-oppslag-hos-russiske-rbc-om-levering-av-40-sukhoi-superjet-100-fly in Norwegian.

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