tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post3506050565764943385..comments2024-03-28T21:42:14.831+01:00Comments on EX-YU Aviation News: Seven offers for Jat’s fleet renewalEX-YU Aviationhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13952283005857074627noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-34110977397838975762013-02-28T21:48:46.205+01:002013-02-28T21:48:46.205+01:00Better question where did you find a 50 or 60 mill...Better question where did you find a 50 or 60 million EUR figure from???? Dont know what the world airlines are complaining about these downturns when we have such inteligent know it alls on this forumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76771901846398013252013-02-28T01:44:24.064+01:002013-02-28T01:44:24.064+01:00Another question is, where can the 737-200 fly? I...Another question is, where can the 737-200 fly? It might have some restriction due to noise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-5954552600269729412013-02-27T21:18:08.966+01:002013-02-27T21:18:08.966+01:00It is not that much. Jat Boeings are from 1985/86,...It is not that much. Jat Boeings are from 1985/86, and Aviogenex 737-200 is from 1987! So 1-2 years is definitly not "much"<br /><br />sve su to stara grobljanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-40101992382943999742013-02-27T21:16:57.634+01:002013-02-27T21:16:57.634+01:00It is not that much. Jat Boeings are from 1985/86,...It is not that much. Jat Boeings are from 1985/86, and Aviogenex 737-200 is from 1987! So 1-2 years is definitly not "much"sve su to stara grobljanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-31273507646257977742013-02-27T20:44:57.726+01:002013-02-27T20:44:57.726+01:00If you read this blog regularly, you could have fo...If you read this blog regularly, you could have found out that Jat's B733 are much older than that B732.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41033722003278885092013-02-27T19:27:41.560+01:002013-02-27T19:27:41.560+01:00You should be praud of that, hahahaha....You should be praud of that, hahahaha....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-38673216823164687682013-02-27T18:03:08.510+01:002013-02-27T18:03:08.510+01:00Too bad, so sad. Nevermind.
SAS Scandinavian CPH-P...Too bad, so sad. Nevermind.<br />SAS Scandinavian CPH-PRN for me again then.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-9732299676247578992013-02-27T17:59:53.632+01:002013-02-27T17:59:53.632+01:00Oh ok i dident know that...but these was old plane...Oh ok i dident know that...but these was old planes. Adria sold one of their Airbus to an asian airline? I think that it hasent been any problem for Jat to buy these planes. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-8370685632178613672013-02-27T17:50:44.030+01:002013-02-27T17:50:44.030+01:00OT: Air Sweden's CPH-SKP launch has been cance...OT: Air Sweden's CPH-SKP launch has been cancelled.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-21684955030046545702013-02-27T17:33:59.899+01:002013-02-27T17:33:59.899+01:00Does anybody know what routes the 737-200 will be ...Does anybody know what routes the 737-200 will be used on? I would love to fly on it.<br /><br />I'm sure they will get bookings simply because of the aircraft type. Just give a heads-up to everyone at Airliners.net ; They have to be the only scheduled carrier in Europe flying the 737-200.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-43213225679600916412013-02-27T17:14:14.056+01:002013-02-27T17:14:14.056+01:00Are you sure Jat can buy some Boeing because of co...Are you sure Jat can buy some Boeing because of contract with Airbus? Usually Airbus put obligation first to close contract for their planes and till than you don't have right to buy planes from other manufacturer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-69945738543852216772013-02-27T17:09:09.700+01:002013-02-27T17:09:09.700+01:00You are absolutely right.
1. Yes wet lease would ...You are absolutely right.<br /><br />1. Yes wet lease would be just for some 6 month, it is stupid to make it longer. Than they will not spent just 30 million EUR, but 50 or 60! But 6 months wet lease is very expensive. Think about how much does it cost to pay for crew for 6 mounts and than sent them home - it can be done, but that cost a lot of money.<br /><br />2. For sure they will not sight leasing contract for more than 2 years (wet or dry or combination) because they plan to buy new Airbuses. If so, why on Earth will you sign contract for more than 2 years and than you will have 16 Airbuses in same time if you really buy those new 8 (when you sign contract none of leasers will take planes back). As they plan to buy them (for sure that will not happen at least in that short deadline) you have 2 options<br />- eider they will lease planes for 2 years because they will optimistically hope that they will buy planes in 2 years and than leasing is very expensive<br />- eider they don't plan to buy those Airbuses in 2 years, they sign leasing for longer period; and than they make idiots of nation and will pay extra penalties to Airbus<br /><br />Where did you get information that there are Airbuses waiting around unused especially for summer season? Sure, there are some. If you have enough money you can always rent a plane. In several hours if you want (Titan for example). But this costs much more than when you plan your leasing several months or years in advance. None of leasing company has planes waiting if someone will come to take them in last second. Planes are too expensive for that kind of luxury. Who is so stupid to spend several billion EUR to have planes on ground? Also airport fees for planes to sleep costs money. Even those planes from Kingfisher, Malev etc. does not wait long.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-4982044151033961352013-02-27T17:09:06.213+01:002013-02-27T17:09:06.213+01:00What a mess.
The second daily flight to Paris prob...What a mess.<br />The second daily flight to Paris probably with an antique 737-200 ?<br />Jat is the worst run airline of our times.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-2174739627266653882013-02-27T16:12:16.397+01:002013-02-27T16:12:16.397+01:00I agree 100%, Sterlings Boeing 737-400s had their ...I agree 100%, Sterlings Boeing 737-400s had their service at Jat Technika and they was in werry good technical stand, Jat kneew about them and they cud get them chpeap insteed of other companyes buying them. This had solved their problem to 2015 maybe their finances had been better and could buy new jets. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-32653885283205175572013-02-27T15:37:52.483+01:002013-02-27T15:37:52.483+01:00Wait a second, if they're leasing these a/c fo...Wait a second, if they're leasing these a/c for two years, then it will be a wet lease for the time it takes to train Jat's crews, right? My lay opinion is that this will not be overly expensive as there currently are Airbuses waiting around unused...<br />BTW, if they don't plan to buy Airbuses then there is no need to lease them now! And even if new Airbuses start arriving in 2015 (which is optimistic given high demand for A320ceo family), leased a/c can be utilized for longer time. So it makes sense to lease Airbuses now for 5 years, train crews in the next few months and then slowly phase out the 733s...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-69949539404544024762013-02-27T15:36:12.272+01:002013-02-27T15:36:12.272+01:00It looks like Jat not know what it does, only the ...It looks like Jat not know what it does, only the solution for Jat would have been to lease older aircraft that could adapt to their needs. With a poor economy that has Jat could it have been better to look for 737-400 might well used with still able to fly a few years, Sabena Technichs had two Airbus A319 aircraft that was held in custody at Copenhagen airport from Ukraine International after the airline failed to pay airport taxes for 6 months. Both aircraft were held at a price of 33 million euros. There Jat had a problem unless its fleet. Both planes were taken back by Ukraine International Airlines but this took time.<br /><br />If the employees of the Jatadministration was interested in aviation and followed on what was happening in Europe could them have seen Sterling and Cimber merged together in 2010, After that, it was acquired by the Ukrainian businessman Ihor Kolomoyskyi who also owns Ukraine International Airlines and run airline bankruptcy soon. Cimber Sterling had a fleet of 19 aircraft 3 ATR-500 which was quite new, 2 of which were sold for 7 million euros each. Almost brand new plane had not been an opportunity for Jat? Sterling had more Boeing 737-400, which was sold to the Italian airline.<br /><br />The first Jat should do are kick the administration out of the managment and get the right people to run an airline, I know that the ministry of transport has also to blame for this as it is administrated and managed on a wrong way. Wish Jat best luck from CopenhagenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-51374253127795128052013-02-27T13:49:54.795+01:002013-02-27T13:49:54.795+01:00Hey Doot :)Hey Doot :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-41002107063226540702013-02-27T12:55:29.204+01:002013-02-27T12:55:29.204+01:00In any case, congrats JAT!
Best regards from Croat...In any case, congrats JAT!<br />Best regards from Croatia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-81602680559035790962013-02-27T12:11:37.090+01:002013-02-27T12:11:37.090+01:00well, then they need to close the company and star...well, then they need to close the company and start a new one with a reasonable amount of employees, outcry bedamned.Dootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-29826617614542344222013-02-27T11:33:28.838+01:002013-02-27T11:33:28.838+01:00It’s impossible. With the current laws you can bar...It’s impossible. With the current laws you can barely lay off people in state owned companies because if you do they sew you, you have to pay them compensation are return them to work. This massively happened after the fall of Milosevic between 2000-2005 so they changed the law making it impossible for you to loose your job in a state owned companies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-3989023503694923962013-02-27T10:46:39.372+01:002013-02-27T10:46:39.372+01:00300euros is a pretty measly incentive.
That said,...300euros is a pretty measly incentive.<br /><br />That said, why any incentive. Just lay them off. say, "sorry, there's no more work for you. We have to fire you to save the company. I'm sure you understand. Thanks!"Dootnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-8421526483558402222013-02-27T10:26:53.256+01:002013-02-27T10:26:53.256+01:00So, Airbuses in May! Goood, so in June we can have...So, Airbuses in May! Goood, so in June we can have Aviogenex LCC with 737-300 and 737-200. Hahahahahahahaha!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-170732202861315932013-02-27T10:23:57.975+01:002013-02-27T10:23:57.975+01:00Of course it will be wet lease. There is NO WAY th...Of course it will be wet lease. There is NO WAY they will train crew in 2 months (till May).<br /><br />So:<br />1. Wet lease of Airbuses and extra cost of crew up to 20 million EUR (in same time Jat crew will sit at home doing nothing)<br /><br />2. Lease in last minute is very expensive. And that lease is short-lease (for just 2 years, because they plan to buy new Airbuses in 2015) so it is even more expensive. For sure that lease can not be profitable! <br /><br />3. They will pay Aviogenex to fly for them in meantime! As time-table is very optimistic with many extra frequencies they have to take some other airliners for step in till June. 737-200 can not be enough.<br /><br />4. Still part of fleet (737-300, ATR 72-200) is very old so they will loose money here.<br /><br />5. In fleet of just 13 planes you will have A319, A320, 737-300, ATR 72-500 and ATR 72-200. 3 different crews. More money to spend.<br /><br />So, Jat will spend some 30 million EUR EXTRA, on top of money they loose every day... Congratulation! Very clever...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-48692730071995320032013-02-27T10:14:12.293+01:002013-02-27T10:14:12.293+01:00“We will form a team of experts who will decide wh...“We will form a team of experts who will decide which kind of aircraft Jat needs for delivery in 2015. <br /><br />team of experts who will that be but anyway good news for jatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5263744212273266286.post-76281424022357158532013-02-27T10:12:37.805+01:002013-02-27T10:12:37.805+01:00I think a good thing to do is for JAT to pay its e...I think a good thing to do is for JAT to pay its employees on time and pay them their flying hours!<br /><br />As for the leasing of ac, its sad how their is a surplus of employees in JAT but most likely those Airbus a/c will be wet leased as I doubt JAT, who ofcourse always thinks a step ahead, sent crew for the conversion training.<br /><br />A big congradulations to the government for making the airline the mess it is!JATBEGMELnoreply@blogger.com