Dutch low cost carrier Transavia will launch flights from Amsterdam to both Belgrade and Ljubljana next year. The KLM subsidiary plans to operate three weekly services each to the Serbian and Slovenian capital cities, providing competition to both Air Serbia and Adria Airways. Flights to Belgrade and Ljubljana are set to launch on April 4 and operate each Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday with a 183-seat Boeing 737-800 aircraft. Tickets are already on sale through the airline’s website. The addition of both Belgrade and Ljubljana to its network are part of Transavia’s larger expansion plans from Amsterdam next summer season, which will see the carrier add a total of six routes.
Transavia will compete directly against Air Serbia on its flights between Amsterdam and Belgrade. The Serbian carrier maintained eleven weekly services on the route this summer with its Airbus A319 jets. It boasts codeshare agreements with KLM, Etihad Airways and Air Baltic on the route. In July, Air Serbia’s CEO, Dane Kondić, said the airline would see significant low cost competition in the coming period, noting that it “weighs heavily on our thoughts in terms of our future plans”. On the other hand, Wizz Air maintains services from Belgrade to Eindhoven, which is some 125 kilometres from Amsterdam. It operates the route twice per week.
The Dutch low cost carrier will compete against Adria on its service from Amsterdam to Ljubljana. The Slovenian carrier has been running four weekly flights on the route this summer and plans to boost frequencies during the coming winter. Adria also has a codeshare agreement in plave with KLM on its flights between the Slovenian capital and Amsterdam. News of Transavia’s arrival to Ljubljana comes just weeks after easyJet announced plans to launch its second route to the city. Ljubljana Airport is looking for foreign carriers to boost their operations following a decline in passenger numbers over the past few months as a result of Adria Airways’ network reductions.
Further flight information for the Amsterdam – Belgrade service can be found here, while additional details for the Amsterdam – Ljubljana route can be viewed here.
Wow... didn't see this one coming. This could be KL's response to JU's New York flights.
ReplyDeleteAMS-BEG flights start on 04.03.2016
-2-4--7
AMS-BEG 11.50-14.15
BEG-AMS 15.10-17.40
Return flights start from €78.
Let's see how both JU and W6 respond to this.
AMS-LJU starts on the same day, same frequencies and days and a return flight starts at €68.
DeleteAMS-LJU departs quite early, at around 06.00 am.
Odlična vremena!! Taman će leteli u doba kada je aerodrom apsolutno prazan.. mislim da su tada samo OS i LX tamo.
DeleteThey announced a lot of destinations today including SOF. Don't think that it's any response to anybody. Pure business.
DeleteFantastic news for BEG and LJU.
ReplyDeleteAnd with it bad news for Air Serbia and Adria.
DeleteGood news for them as they will have to compete now!
DeleteDoubt they will see it that way :D
DeleteIt's not only them, there is also Wizz Air to EIN which will be affected by this.
DeleteI wonder if Paris might be next.
Would be good to know if they also considered ZAG. Unless they plan, for the time being, to serve it via LJU.
Actually you are right. They are going after Wizz's core base of customers anyway.
DeleteAir Serbia was not very successful in competition with LCC till now (there were some good examples, but mostly not). Amsterdam is already harmed by opening JFK, and now this blow would for sure harm AMS route. We could see reduction in AMS route up to 7 per week. Air Serbia should not go to bigger reduction than everyday frequencies even with high competition.
DeletePurger, Air Serbia already reduced AMS this winter season from 10 to 7. That is even before Transavia announced its BEG flights.
DeleteNemjee I am talking about summer.
DeleteAnd I don't think they considered ZAG as owner of Transavia is KLM which flies to ZAG every day from AMS. Even more route is very successful. The change flights after one year of flying from E190 to 737-700, but usually fly route with 737-900.
I see, I thought you were referring to the upcoming winter season.
DeleteTransavia might impact Wizz Eindhoven connection even more. Why would anyone from central Holland bother to pay extra train costs and lose time when he can fly directly from AMS?
DeleteWell, central Holland will be fair game for either Wizz Air or Transavia.
DeleteDon't forget that EIN is much cheaper to operate out of meaning W6 can offer lower fares while still making money on the route.
Also, Wizz Air will not give up that easily and their S17 timetable to EIN shows it.
1-3-5-7
BEG-EIN 11.45-14.10
EIN-BEG 14.40-16.50
So not only will they offer a greater number of frequencies but they will also have a rather convenient schedule for O&D passengers. Their EIN-BEG fares, even before Transavia announced flights, were quite low, €50 one way.
What worries me is what will become of Air Serbia on this route. They risk losing most O&D passengers. They are definitely experiencing an increased amount of competition on key routes such as AMS, ZRH and STR. Will be interesting to see how they respond to all this.
Miles, affordable fares and a decent amount of frequencies should be the best way to fight for the Dutch market.
How lower can Wizz go? Two way is 100 euros, while Transavia offers the better service for 70 euros. Transport/parking costs from major Dutch urban centers to and from EIN are not insignificant, at least 20-40 euros extra for return train trip. Plus the passengers are losing several hours to get to and from EIN.
DeleteThe real question is how low can Transavia go? From what I remember their costs are higher than W6's meaning that it will be more difficult for them to match their prices.
DeleteAlso, I think you confused the fares. Transavia's one way fare is €78 which means a return flight comes out to be around €160 while Wizz Air from EIN is around €100. This is not a negligible price difference especially for passengers departing from Serbia.
That said, I think Transavia knows that they can't match Wizz Air hence why they will concentrate on higher-yielding passengers, those who have been mostly flying on JU so far, as well as those who used W6 to EIN but whose final destination was AMS and northern NL.
Also, from what I've seen, you can get Flying Blue miles on Transavia. This will be interesting for a large number of passengers.
Return flights from Ljubljana to Amsterdam starting at 58€!
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You are wrong Nemjee. The return flight price for Transavia starts with 78 euros in April, then from 100 euros for May and later. Go to their site and check for yourself.
DeleteThere are still return tickets for 78 euros in June and July BEG-AMS. In August the cheapest tickets already sold out! Amazing!
DeleteThat is bad news for Air Serbia.
DeleteThey need to lower fares.
When I looked this morning those were the fares. Maybe they changed something in the meantime, who knows...
DeleteDo you agree then that it might indeed hurt Wizz much more seriously than you initially suggested?
DeleteWizz Air has lower cost base than both Transavia ans Air Serbia.
DeleteThey can have lower cost as much as they want, but Transavia beats their price, while providing much better connection. My prediction is that Wizz will move EIN flights from BEG to INI very soon after Transavia arrives, if not before. There is nothing for them there any more.
DeleteMy prediction is that W6's lower costs will allow them to keep their prices low.
DeleteTransavia is after JU's monopoly to AMS.
And it will capture a lot of the transfer market to North America currently flying with JU and KLM code-share.
I also wouldn't be surprised if Transavia announces soon flights to Paris from BEG and other cities in the region that Air France doesn't serve.
W6 brought the low cost concept to many Ex-Yu markets and I am very grateful for that. They had a good ride in Ex-Yu, with almost no low cost competition in some markets.
DeleteEverything comes to an end sooner or latter. With the arrival of Ryan and now Transavia, they face a real competition, at least in Serbia and Montenegro. The past predominance is not coming back ever. Good for customers.
A little observation.
God how JU and OU superfans can be annoying. Luckily, nobody takes them seriously.
But what really makes me speechless is the W6 cult. What makes otherwise reasonable and sometimes extremely critical people loose every pretense of objectivity, when it comes to W6 is beyond me.
Anon 10:25 PM
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Orly flights by Transavia would be wonderful! Even if it is only seasonal.
Does transavia fly anywhere else in ex-Yu other than seasonal flights to Croatia?
ReplyDeleteNot to my knowledge.
DeleteOnce upon a time they were interested in flying to Sarajevo. Unfortunately nothing came of it.
DeleteOhrid.
DeleteKonacno nesto konkretno!
ReplyDeleteWow I'm so happy. Take that AirSerbia monopoly!! 😃
ReplyDeleteWhat monopoly? Wizz is flying to Holland for years.
DeleteNot to Amsterdam they don't.
DeleteThis is going to bring JU fares to AMS down.
Even loyal JU flyers are going to be benefited without having to step foot on a Transavia plane!
True that. ASL was milking that route for quite some time. I hope that Paris is next.
DeleteAnon @10:15 I dont see you protest Wizz monopoly on EIN-BEG line.
DeleteThat is because Wizz is a force of good and you are not supposed to ever question that. Why, I don't know, ask Wizz PR ;)
DeleteThat can not be Anon 7:56.
DeleteIt is a well known fact that ANY airline that dares compete at eny level with JU is just pure evil!
Well anon. 10.05, true, few JU fans can be hypersensitive. There are also few staunch JU opponents. Both very annoying.
DeleteBut W6 is another league. Don't you dare say anything remotely sceptical about Wizz. You can count on a pileup and to hear the most imaginative ways of defense. Don't go there ever, please.
Ryan, on the other hand is fair game. It may be the biggest European carrier, but they lack such a devoted PR department ;)
Last anon, nonsense
Delete@anon 6.29
DeleteIt really feels like an aggressive PR department. Your comment unfortunately does not help.
Time will tell. We will see what will happen with Dutch market next summer.
Unexpected but great addition for both airports :)
ReplyDeleteLooks like it will be a good year for BEG in 2017 and affordable flying with Wizz also to open new routes.
ReplyDeleteWizz Air will also increase some destinations. :)
DeleteWhat is their policy on luggage? Do they charge extra?
ReplyDeleteYes, both regular and hand luggage.
DeleteThanks. So classic LCC
DeleteThey dont charge extra for hand luggage, you can take a bag up to 10 kg with you.
DeleteThis is a good NEWS for passanger, consumer or just people from Serbia and Slovenia :)
ReplyDeleteFor croats as well my friend, lju is an alternative airport for us. )
DeleteThis is first new low cost airline to start flights to BEG and LJU in quite some time.
ReplyDeleteOT but very important for region concerning huge presence of Lufthansa in it:
ReplyDeleteLUFTHANSA POTPISALA JOIN VENTURE SA AIR CHINOM
Nakon 3 godine intenzivnog pregovaranja (MoU je potpisan 2014), pa čak i lobiranja najvišeg političkog vrha Njemačke u Kini prošle godine, Lufthansa je končano potpisala Join Venture sa Air Chinom. Dio JV je i Austrian te Swiss. JV kreće sa realizacijom sa ljetnim redom letenja 2017. godine.
JV znači najbližu moguću suradnju, bitno jaču od code-share (sinkronizacija reda letenja, prioritet konekcija preko partnera, prodaju na lokalnom tržištu, održavanje zrakoplova u bazama partnera, zajedničke marketinške akcije...), a isto će odmah rezultirati povečenjem broja code-share linija oba prijevoznika. Od poznatijih JV je onaj Qantasa i Emiratesa, Air France-KLM-Delta-Alitalia, Biritsh-Iberia-American, British-JAL, British-Amercian-Latam...
Lufthansa uz ovaj JV ima još i JV sa
- Unitedom i Air Canadom za Sjevernu Ameriku
- ANA-om
- Singaporeom
What will become of JU's highly lucrative code-share with AC via VIE? :/
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Purger, sta mislis, zasto Transavia nije dosla u Zagreb? Jel to ima nesto vise ili su takse u pitanju?
DeleteMa ne. KLM je vlasnik Transavie a lete za Zagreb svaki dan + još 7 letova Croatie u code-share, što znači 14 tjednih letova za AMS.
DeleteUz to linija je vrlo isplativa i nakon manje od godine dana leta povečali su avion sa E190 na 737-700, iako najčešće lete sa 737-800, a često kada i sa 737-900.
Tu će se razvijati KLM a ne njihov LCC brand. Tek ako KLM pokrije svoje bazične frekvencije prema AMS može dodati Transaviu kao dodatak radi privlačenja novih kategorija putnika. No, to bi značilo povečanje od 100% na trenutnu situaciju, što se sigurno neće desiti tako skoro.
Ukoliko vlasnik ZL Zagreb odluči privuči LCC u ZAG otvaranjem novog terminala Transavia je uz easyJet i Eurowings najizvjesnija. Posljednji kao brend Lufthanse, najprisutnijeg prijevoznika u Hrvatskoj, svakako ima ogroman interes, a prva dva imaju baze u ORY, CDG i AMS kojih je vlasnik ADPI, suvlasnik ZAG. Stoga je vrlo lako "uvjeriti" (čitajte ucjenjivati slotovima) da baziraju avio u ZAG bilo kojeg od ovih dva prijevoznika. No i u tom slučaju ZAG bi prije dobio letove za druge destinacije, ali nikako ne i za AMS i CDG, bar ne u idućih par godina, obzirom na ekpanziju KLM-a i AF u ZAG.
Pa čemu kada im KLM let svakodnevno uz Croatiu?
DeleteKako OU posluje na AMS-u od kako je usao KL?
DeleteOdlično. U code-share su. Kao i sa AF nas CDG. I to kvalitetnijem code-share nego sa LH. LH uvijek prvo puni svoje mašine, a tek potom OU, AF i KL tretiraju OU let kao da je njihov. Kad god kupim kartu sa KL i AF bar 50% letova odradim sa OU iako je karta KL/AF.
DeleteVrlo često letim za CDG i AMS, više puta godišnje i avioni su stalno puni. Croatia vrlo četo leti sa A320 umjesto A319, KLM sa 737-800 ili čak 900 umjesto 737-700, a AF najleće sa A319 ili A320 umjesto planiranog A318.
JU je isto u code-share sa KL i prema poslednjim izjavama, KL je jako zadovoljan. Avioni su gotovo uvek puni.
DeleteOvo su jako dobre vesti za Beograd. Transavia je pre svega odgovor na lcc konkurenciju. Ne šalje Lufthansa Eurowings u Beč ili u budućnosti u Zagreb da bi otimao putnike Austrianu i Croatii, već da bi uzela deo LCC tržišta. Tako je i sa Transaviom u Ljubljani i Beogradu. Nadam se da će otvoriti i linije za Pariz uskoro.
Deletehm, didn't see this one coming. great news
ReplyDeleteWOW excellent news! :) has anyone flown with them? what are they like?
ReplyDeleteI flew with them on Lyon - Porto, they are quite good, planes are almost new and you forget that you are in a low cost carrier : service is ok and space also
DeleteI flew in the past few years always with old planes from AMS and RTM. I had feeling that they were previously in KLM fleet. I didn't mind. It is a decent company.
DeleteThis will give more headaches to Wizz than Air Serbia in my opinion since JU relies also on a lot of transfers on this route.
ReplyDeleteAdria might have more trouble on the other hand.
Don't forget that Wizz's flight from EIN also gets a lot of passengers from Belgium.
DeleteGood point Anon. 10.38.
DeleteSo if Transavia is a KLM subsidiary, and they code share on AS flights to AMS from BEG, then KLM just created competition for themselves.
ReplyDeleteWhen JU launched flights to JFK I wrote on here that it could spell the end of a JU-KL partnership. Given that JU walked away from it by launching its own transatlantic flights, KL had no more reason to 'protect' them by not launching its own flights. Personally, I always thought KL would come with its own metal but it seems that they decided against it.
DeleteThat said, there is no reason why they couldn't launch their own flights in the future so as to feed their extensive network to the Americas. Their Embraer is perfect for AMS-BEG.
Finally, I am sure KL noticed a drop of connecting passengers coming from JU's flights.
I fly YYZ-BEG 2-3 per year, always happy with the service, but from what I heard here ASL has a really bad code share agreement with KLM. So if this is enough to push ASL out of that deal then so be it.
Delete-- Charlie
Yes, that is true. It's the one Jat signed back in 2009 when Lufthansa started blackmailing them.
DeleteThe question here is where are they losing/making more money, on the code-share or on their direct flights to JFK?
Why is there such a concern for competition for JFK here? Transfer pax from BEG via AMS fly to hundreds of destinations besides JFK.
Delete-- Charlie
Out of BEG, JFK is the biggest single market in north America. AMS used to be one of the most popular destination for transfer passengers. KL had the most to lose when JU launched their own JFK flights. I am sure that's one of the reasons why AMS was reduced from 10 to 7 this winter.
DeleteIn the end 1x daily is good enough for AS to AMS. Now there will be some LCC competition which is good.
Delete-- Charlie
It is not just about passengers on BEG-JFK route but also connected passengers from BEG via JFK to 3rd destinations in USA and Canada. Why should one connect from BEG to 3rd destinations via AMS if they can do that via JFK? Especially that price on JFK-BEG leg is so low what makes connections affordable.
DeleteBecause JU has an interline agreement in JFK which is much weaker than KL's code-share agreement with DL, not to mention that for KLM it's much easier to offer flexibility to its passengers given that it serves so many different airports in the US- latest addition being Salt Lake City.
DeleteIt's the same why JU's direct flights to New York are not a big problem for Lufthansa and its ATI partners. Sure, they lost a share of passengers to New York but the rest of the US and Canada is secure.
Now, if JU was to sign a code-share agreement with JetBlue or American Airlines then the situation would have been much different.
KLM has nothing to do with Transavia, it is only a daughter airline of KLM. Transavia make up there own routes and KLM has nothing to say about that. Im working for Transavia in the OCC ;)
DeleteI can hardly believe a parent company would allow its daughter company to jeopardize its lucrative business deals, in this case the feed it gets from JU's AMS flights. ;)
DeleteNemjee where did you get the number of O&D for JFK out of BEG? YYZ has more O&D than JFK.
DeleteJFK is number one because it has a lot of Serbian tourists visiting the city unlike YYZ. If we look at expat population then JFK ranks lower than both YYZ and ORD.
DeleteNot ZAG as always?
ReplyDeleteZAG has KLM flights (every day with 737) who is owner of Transavia. For sure they don't want to put Transavia before they reach maximum number of frequencies to support their waves in AMS.
DeleteZAG is the only airport in the region that have KLM. Why they would add Transavia to the route? They don't need to ruin their business.
DeleteAnd besides this Zagreb airport concerning the passenger traffic is not capable of sustaining more than one airline to that route, let's say like ATH which can sustain three airlines on ATH-AMS route
DeleteČesto putujem AS do AMS i ti letovi su krcati. Kako kada, ali dosta veliki transfer putnika za YYZ YUL YVR. Pošto sledeće sezone se očekuje veći broj putnika na ovoj liniji a AS zbog širenja mreže destinacija ne može da poveća broj letova za AMS, KLM se odlučio na super opciju. Na ovaj način cijene karata prema Kanadi i Americi ostaće na rekordno niskom nivou.Koliko sam čuo AS objavljuje 3 nove destinacija za ljetnu sezonu 2017.
DeleteWhat I find interesting is that it is already possible to combine Air Serbia onward with Transavia return flight. Isn't it strange? Do they have code-sharing and if they do, what is actually going on here?
DeleteLetovi Teansavia se ne mogu prodavati kao feeder letovi za KL niti AF tako da KLM i nema bas neke koristi od Tranavie za vlastiti network.
DeleteNaravno da se mogu prodavati zajedno, u okviru interline agreementa.
DeleteGreat news!!! Love this kind of news! Good news for the passengers :)
ReplyDeleteAre you sure it's the -800 series? Number of seats seems a bit low. I wonder if it's going to end the same way as it did for Swiss in LJU. If the outcome is different, it's not looking good for Adria.
ReplyDeleteMaybe it's the -700 series?
DeleteNo they wrote the wrong seat configuration in the article but they have corrected it since. It's the -800 series.
DeleteI thought they would announce Eindhoven - Zadar, anyone knows if this is it or is there still more to come? The Croatian coast is not very well connected to Dutch airports, I was expecting ryanair or transavia to connect Eindhoven to Zadar or Split.
ReplyDeleteTransavia already flyes to Split on daily basis
DeleteI think Skopje would also be a good choice because of Ohrid,which is very popular among dutch and belgian tourists..
ReplyDeleteYou can thank Peter John Bosse for that. Whom by the way was chased away from Macedonia :(
Deleteplease tell us more about who is this person and what he has done ...
DeleteYou can google it. He was the president of the dutch commercial chamber in Macedonia. He was the one promoting Macedonia in Holland as a tourist destination. Last year he was jailed for corruption. He won the case against him and left Macedonia for good.
Deleteok thanks for info.
DeleteLooks like that LJU (Fraport) had slowly started to flank out Adria. Dispersion I thhink is their strategy.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think that this is true. And adria have now a big problem because they icrease their network to AMS.
DeleteWhat do they mean with: "just weeks after easyJet announced plans to launch its second route to the city"? Do they mean the Gatwick route or a completely new city?
ReplyDeleteThey mean Gatwick.
DeleteI hope this comes as a lesson to Air Serbia to reduce their astronomic prices on the AMS-BEG route.
ReplyDeleteWhat astronomic prices? If you buy on time, the ticket costs around 170-180 euros, including baggage. It is cheaper than KL and OU flights from ZAG. ASL is not a lcc.
DeleteIt's not cheaper than OU flight from ZAG, I fly very often on the OU flight and I always pay 120 - 150 EUR, never payed more in the last 3 years. Its also always cheaper than KL especially when you calculate the fact that the KL price doesnt include luggage
DeleteOk. I stand corrected. 120 for a return flight with luggage included is a really great price. If you have luggage, it is better than lcc. But still not an "astronomical" difference.
DeleteThat "if you buy on time" is true only sometimes, and only for travelling in months like November or February.
ReplyDeleteIn peak seasons prices can easily fall in the range of 350-400 euros. Trust me, I often fly this route.
I don't need to trust you because I know you are wrong. I fly monthly BEG-AMS, both on and off season and I never paid more than 230 euros, usually much less.
DeleteAnyone can go and check prices online both on ASL website and other online sellers.
The price can peak with every other company, including lccs if you wait for the last minute to buy. If you find such prices, it means that the plane is almost full.
Both on and off season, always for under 230 euros? Well, you must be extremely lucky.
DeleteCan you find me a ticket for next August for under 300 euros?
Ne znam ko tu kome moze da veruje ili ne, ali ja sam leteo poslovno u Julu za AMS i let me je kostao 45290RSD a recimo mesec i po sam ga kupio ranije.. Sve ti to zavisi od toga koliko si flex.
DeleteThat is ASL sale strategy Anon. 14.00. The prices will come down, like they always do. But I guess you already knew that, didn't you?
DeleteMene je kostao povratni let u avgustu Air Serbiom BEG-AMS 190 evra.
DeleteAko sledeceg leta ASL bude pokusala da udvostruci cene, putnici uvek imaju opciju da putuju Swissom, Lufthansom, LOTom ili Austrianom za dvestotinak evra, sa sve prtljagom.
Kraj price.
Congratulations ASL, with 350/400 euros per passenger and full flights! And for years! ASL must have earned millions just on AMS flights. Unbelievable! And I thought Serbia is not a rich country.
DeleteImagine the yields ASL had. JFK flights pale to insignificance compared to AMS, at least according to leteci holandjanin and anon. 2.00
DeleteGuys, seriously. Search their prices a bit. ASL is definitely expensive on BEG-AMS.
DeleteProbably the most profitable route in the world at present, according to data provided by leteci holandjanin. Only JU mistake was not sending whole fleet to AMS each ane every day. So strange that both legacies and lccs ignored such a gold mine for years! Either that or all is a big misleading spin?
DeleteDo you really think that's a funny or smart comment?
DeleteSPU ... pitanje za urednika
ReplyDeleteZašto ste promjenili jutarnji članak vezano za SPU ? Mislim da je važnija vijest da je SPU dosegao dva milijuna putnika i priprema novi terminal od vijesti da je HV otvorio nove linije 3x za LJU i BEG i stvorio konkurenciju JP i AS. Shvačam da je potencijal te vijesti za komentiranjem veći , al ako ste jutros donijeli odluku za objavom teksta vezano za SPU nevidim razloga da HV prodiranje u linije AS i JP ima prioritet. Po komentarima na ovaj članak shvaćam vašu odluku al ta vijest je mogla sačekati i sutra. Ja sam svakodnevni korisnik i poštujem vaš trud al suzdržavam se od komentiranja koji je na jako niskom nivou koje i vi posredno ovakvom politikom podržavate. Važnije je ubaciti vijest koja je potencijal za "glođanje" od pozitivnih vijesti jednog rekorda u nemogučim radnim uvjetima tokom ljetnih mjeseci.
Zahvaljujem i pozdrav SPU :-)
Zato sto je ovo Breaking News i ostali ce prenosti odmah dakle ex-YU mora ostati konkurentan. Isto tako, ceo dan bi se diskutovalo o ovome te bi izgubilo svaki smisao da se prenosi sutra kada je vest vec postala bajata.
Delete@anon 12:36pm:
DeleteI defintately agree with your observation regarding level of comments on this blog.
Lep pozdrav iz LJU.
Ne shvatam o cemu pricas, danasnja diskusija je sasvim civilizovana a sto je jos interesantnije je to da se vise spominje Hrvatska i Zagreb nego Slovenija i Ljubljana. Dakle ako iko treba da se buni to su onda Slovenci.
DeleteSlzem se sa anon 12.56. Ex-YU nije znao da ce danas biti najavljeni letovi te je objavio vest o SPU. Da je sutra objavio ne bi imalo vise smisla.
SPU ... @anon 12:56 PM :
DeleteSamo bih vas pitao do koga bi to ovaj portal trebao da bude konkurentan ? Publika koja posjećuje ovaj prostor je vjerna iz raznoraznih razloga.Ja zbog informiranja šta se dešava na prostoru ex-yu, netko zbog kvalitetnih debata a netko zbog iživljavanja tipa "moj je veći".To što urednik dozvoljava OT debatu je i veliki uređivački problem po mom mišljenju , al to je njihova odluka kao i zamjena članka . Samo bih nadodao da se na takav način negradi profesionalnost što primjećujem da je želja osnivača ove stranice.
@SPU debatama "moj je veći/tvoj je manji" zaista nije mesto ovde, posebno zato što diskutanti često dolaze više zbog prepucavanja nego što ih interesuje tema.
DeletePo meni bi bilo dobro da danas portal objavi obe vesti, a sutra neka naprave pauzu :D
I guess that DL will codeshare on these Transavia flights. DL already codeshares on many http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/269062/delta-enlarges-european-codeshare-routes-in-w16/
ReplyDeleteThat would be bad for JU flights to JFK.
DeleteReturn flights from Ljubljana to Amsterdam starting at 58€! Adria 120-130€.
ReplyDeletehttp://bit.ly/2d022O9
Jako je dobro sto ce jos jedna Aviokompanija doci u BEG a pogotovu sto je HV u pitanju.
ReplyDeleteNece to biti nikakva konkurencija zato sto ASL ne leti za celu USA i CDN zato ce i dalje ostati saradnja sa AF/KL koja je odlicna .
Bice pre da je ovo saradnja KL i ASL da se poboljsa povezanost.
I naravno ovo je vise na racun W6 nego ASL.
INN-NS
Go BEG! Bad news for JU though...
ReplyDeleteNice and unexpected development. Good to see LJU managment finally waking up.
ReplyDeleteVoleo bih da čujem od onih koji su tvrdili da će svi pobeći sa BEG zbog cena usluga i monopola JU, sta se to u medjuvremenu dogodilo pa Wizz dovlači dodatni avion i Transavia krece sa letovima?
ReplyDeleteŠto si zlopamtilo?
DeleteToliko je postova napisano na tu temu a sada ih samo trziste demantuje. Hajde analiticari, mora da postoji neki razlog majku mu...
Deleteuuuu što je tržište ...
Delete@7:07 kako bi vi to nazvali?
DeleteHuh? What happened to the great Split article as main topic from this morning?
ReplyDeleteI thought JP an KL already codeshare on LJU-AMS.
ReplyDeleteYes they do
DeleteOvo uopšte neće biti udarac za ASL. Srpska kompanija zanemarljivo malo prevozi P2P putnika na liniji BEG-AMS vv. To se u potpunosti odnosi na jutarnje polaske iz Beograda koji su svakodnevni, na tim letovima je leti svega oko 15% putnika BEG-AMS, sve ostalo su transferni preko BEG za AMS, a najveći deo nastavlja dalje preko AMS. Sve je to deo strategije Etihada koji ima unosne ugovore sa KLM i AF gde je sa Parizom ista situacija. Iz Beograda za Pariz jako veliki broj ljudi putuje avionima članica Lufthansa Group, a naravno tu je i Wizz.
ReplyDeleteAli ugovor AS sa KLM-om postoji pre ulazak Etihad u Jat/AS konstelaciju.
DeleteI tih 15% putnika (po mojoj proceni vise) ipak jeste udarac. Udarac donekle ublazava to sto za razliku od Air Serbie, Transavia ima tri leta nedeljno.
DeleteTransfer putnici ne idu samo KLMom dalje, vec dolaze preko Beograda sa Balkana i Bliskog istoka u AMS.
Glavni potencijalni gubitnik je Wizz. Sa trenutnim cenama, u opanosti su da izgube citavo holandsko trziste osim Ajndhovena i okoline. Za putnike je ovo dobitak posto je Transavia bolja kompanija od Wizz a AMS daleko bolji aerodrom od EIN.
Shipol je ogroman aerodrom na kome se jedva snadjes i tesko ga je preci. Veci ne znaci bolji.
DeleteAjdhovenski je manji i prakticniji i vecina inzenjera iz Srbije radi tamo, a ne u Amsterdamu. Tako da niko odatle nece voziti do Amsterdama zbog leta za BEG.
Schiphol jeste ogroman aerodrom, ali ekstremno dobro organizovan. Tako dobro organizovan da se izucava kao primer dobrog dizajna i sto se tice pristupacnosti i sto se tice znakova za putnike, povezanosti terminala. Nema shuttle prevoza kao na drugim velikim hubovima zato sto su to Holandjani dizajnirali za medalju. Sa podzemne zeleznicke stanice ili sa bocnih parkinga ulazis direktno u glavni hol odakle imas neposredan pristup na sve terminale koji se pruzaju zrakasto. Sve to je dodatno medjusobno povezano.
DeletePrvi put cujem da se tamo neko jedva snalazi. Znam ljude koji rec stranog jezika ne govore i koji su se tamo bez problema snasli, a gubili se na drugim aerodromima.
Kao sto sa i rekao, EIN ostaje bolji izbor za Ajndhoven i okolinu (ljude koji rade u Philipsu i ostaloj slicnoj industriji). Medjutim, sto se tice glavnih holandskih urbanih centara: Amsterdam, Roterdam, Hag i Utrecht, gde najveci deo populacije, ukljucujuci i ljude iz Srbije, zivi, nothing beats AMS. Na te putnike WZZ slobodno moze da zaboravi od aprila.
Transavia will also fly to SOF and TIA.
ReplyDeleteI think they launched those 6 new destinations because of the eventual U2 expansion. For LJU, they will face JP´s daily flight while BEG it´s going to compete vs 11 weekly JU and 3-4 W6 to EIN. - 15 weekly.
ReplyDeleteIn SOF it will compete with FB 7x, W6 5x and FR 3x to EIN - 15 weekly.
In TIA they already fly to ORY and will now add AMS. Simply cool!
I see some interesting thoughts here, but I think the most important one is missing. Of course these routes mean extra competition for JU and JP. But JU and JP are not who KL is looking at. Remember that there are three major airline groups in Europe: AF-KL, IAG and Lufthansa Group. All of them are in a different airline alliance: SkyTeam, OneWorld and Star Alliance. And that's what the competition is really about. These three airline groups dominate the European market. So KL has to compete with IAG and Lufthansa Group. HV is used by KL to operate routes that are not lucrative for KL itself, while they do want these routes in their network. The routes to the Balkan are used as feeder routes for trans-atlantic and other long-haul flights. Lufthansa Group had pretty much a monopoly on these feeder routes in the Balkan via LH and OS and with JP and OU also being part of Star Alliance. KL wants to break up this monopoly and that's why they are opening these routes.
ReplyDeleteYou really need to see the bigger picture. The aviation industry in Europe is really about those three airline groups + their alliances and they don't really care about any other airline. So this is not done to compete against JU and JP, but to compete against Lufthansa Group/Star Alliance. JU and JP are just victims without being a target.