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Air Serbia ends Marathon Airlines cooperation

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Air Serbia is ending its cooperation with Greek carrier Marathon Airlines, from which it has been wet-leasing Embraer aircraft, following the serious aircraft incident which took place on Sunday, February 18. The agreement will be terminated tomorrow. "No Air Serbia flight will be operated by the said Greek company’s aircraft. Flights that should have been operated by Marathon Airlines will now be operated by other aircraft in the fleet to maintain traffic continuity", Air Serbia said. Marathon Airlines is a carrier based in Greece, operating fully in compliance with European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) standards, and is a member of the International Air Transport Association (IATA). Air Serbia has been cooperating with Marathon Airlines since June 2023 based on the short-term wet-lease business model.

Commenting on the incident which took place, the Serbian carrier noted, "In reference to flight JU324 between Belgrade and Dusseldorf, operating on Sunday evening, February 18, 2024, when the Embraer E195 of partner Greek airline, Marathon Airlines, was damaged, Air Serbia immediately contacted the competent government authorities - the Civil Aviation Directorate (DCV) of the Republic of Serbia and the Center for Investigation of Accidents in Transport (CINS)". It added, "Passenger and crew safety is of the utmost priority for Air Serbia and the Serbian national airline is fully cooperating with the aforementioned authorities. Greek aviation authorities will conduct their own investigation"

The airline apologised to passengers affected by the incident. "Air Serbia would like to apologise again to all passengers of flight JU324 of February 18 2024 for any inconvenience they experienced. Even though the flight was operated by partner airline Marathon Airlines, the fact that the plane safely landed and that no passengers or crew members were injured, as a responsible company, Air Serbia would like to point out that it is fully aware of the passengers’ feelings during the flight and deeply regrets the discomfort they faced. By regulations, all passengers onboard flight JU324 of February 18 2024 are entitled to standard compensation and to any other compensation for costs incurred due to the flight being delayed by one day". It added, "Air Serbia has not and will not make any announcements regarding the details of flight JU324 from February 18 while the investigation is in progress. However, the Serbian national airline would like to emphasise once again that it understands the inconvenience the passengers experienced on that occasion. Accordingly, Air Serbia has decided to take all the measures within its control mentioned above immediately. It will consider taking further steps in the coming period so that the recent event does not affect the trust of its passengers earned by the Serbian airline over several decades".

February 20, 2024
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  1. Anonymous14:39

    Ouch

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    1. Anonymous16:18

      Džaba ste krečili

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    2. Anonymous20:37

      Overreacting and unnecessary.

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    3. Anonymous21:01

      ^ nope. Great decision, confirms that JU cares about passenger safety

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    4. Anonymous21:28

      Yeah, and what are they gonna do now?

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    5. Anonymous21:28

      You can fire one pilot, one crew, but why the entire company?

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    6. Anonymous22:21

      Because company need to set to captain appropriate pilot who can, not a friend of friends. Bravo air serbia

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    7. Anonymous23:29

      I think this will create more problems than solutions.

      Where will they find 5/6 aircraft before start of the summer season?

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    8. Anonymous23:33

      Thing is, that we don't know, this might have been only a last in a string of incidents they had with Marathon.

      So the straw broke the camel's back...

      Indeed what happened, is quite incredible.

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  2. Jjh14:40

    Excellent fast response from Air Serbia

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      Fast?! Only after s*it storm started on social media...

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    2. Anonymous15:16

      There was no shit storm, the echo chamber here is irrelevant to other people.

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    3. Anonymous16:14

      Echo chamber? It made international news across the world.

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    4. Anonymous17:28

      Personally I find it insulting they mention inconvenience multiple times. I am glad everyone is safe, but this was extremely serious and could have easily been fatal. Apologising for an inconvenient delay and mentioning they get a standard compensation would piss me off if I was on that flight. I am not saying they need to get some huge amount but at the very least it should be acknowledged the danger they were in.

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    5. Anonymous17:37

      Yes, the statement is not good. Is it supposed to be a good thing that Air Serbia will pay compensation that it is legally required to pay?? Does that need a whole press release?

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    6. Anonymous23:05

      What do you inspect from a company of JUs caliber? Drzavna posla

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    7. Anonymous01:42

      Expect, not inspect 😀. Whole statement, if you read it at all, is not just about compensation. Far more important was severing ties with Marathon. But someone had nothing smarter to say than Drzavna posla 🤡

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  3. Anonymous14:41

    A bit of an overreaction I think.

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    1. Anonymous14:45

      They're trying to blame it all on them... Obviously

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    2. Anonymous14:52

      Next the police will parade the arrested captain..

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    3. Anonymous15:11

      As they should, I am surprised he is not arrested already

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    4. Anonymous15:15

      Not the least, Marathon evidently has pilot skills (and training) issues, ignoring the ATC warnings... they are a risk to work with. Got what they deserved...

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    5. Anonymous15:59

      What's with arresting calls these days? One can get arrested only after trial. One can be detained before trial, but only if there is a chance of repeating the crime or influencing the witnesses and it's obvious this crew can't do it. That's the basic thing of law, for an extraordinarily long time.

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    6. Anonymous16:15

      The pilot landed the aircraft safely despite severe damage. What should he be arrested for? He should be celebrated for recovering from the initial error.

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    7. Anonymous16:20

      That's a long stretch but there is not one single reason for the detention. There's one (stretched) option with detention because of "public disturbance" but that's just completely unnecessary.

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    8. Anonymous16:32

      Anon 16:15 They did their job. They had the plane in full control, it's not like they did some sort of heroism to return it back to the airport. No flap landing is something elementary that every pilot is well trained for.

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    9. notLufthansa16:45

      Anon @16:15 your logic is the same as if somebody first shoots another person and then starts cpr, and should be commended for that.

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    10. Anonymous01:44

      Was he captain and first officer at the same time?

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  4. Anonymous14:43

    How much will it cost Air Serbia to cancel the contract with Marathon?

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    1. Anonymous14:44

      Considering what Marathon Airlines pilot did, I would say Air Serbia will get money instead.

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    2. Anonymous14:46

      The pilots will definitely be getting sacked by the looks of it.

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    3. Anonymous15:27

      I mean they costed Marathon the only regular costumer they have. Ofc they'll be sacked

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    4. Anonymous15:32

      I think Marathon operate scheduled flight from ATH to Libya and some summer charters to Greek destinations too.

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    5. Anonymous16:31

      The pilot diserves everything, he risked 111 lifes when he made the decision to take off from that point of the runway not keeping in mind what could happen. Not only that, maybe something else could have happend for example engine failiure or something else which would have ended in a crash cause there wouldnt be enough runway for them so stop and abord the take off. Very unprofessional and not serious from his side.

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    6. Anonymous17:04

      Anon 14:44 And then spend twice as much to find replacement capacity.

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    7. Anonymous21:04

      "they costed Marathon the only regular costumer they have." - how about 10 mil euro plane repair? (or even a write-off?)

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    8. Anonymous21:38

      Anon 15:32 no charters to Greece this summer, the put all eggs in one basket, and that is / was Air Serbia.

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  5. Anonymous14:47

    You got to have balls to cancel cooperation with Marathon month(s) before the summer season is about to start.

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    1. Anonymous15:03

      Route cancellations coming...

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    2. Anonymous15:08

      Also year round routes will convert to seasonal?

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    3. Anonymous15:09

      ^stop making up rubbish.

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    4. Anonymous15:10

      ACMI capacity will be difficult to find. And if they do, these providers will be as unknown to us and passengers, as Marathon was before the contract with JU.

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    5. Anonymous15:11

      You don't think they used the whole day yesterday to find back up aircraft before they announced this decision?

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    6. Anonymous15:19

      Sure, professionals would have done exactly that...

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    7. Anonymous15:20

      Anon 15:11 …because it’s a peace of cake to find free aircraft and high standard crew within a day.

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    8. Anonymous17:34

      The Pratt engine situation plus Boeing 737 production issues make leases expensive this year.
      Hope they find sufficient capacity soon.

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    9. Anonymous18:02

      Well, inevitable is to come, network and overall operations shrinking for AirSerbia, consequently for BEG as well, foreign carriers will profit and the Earth continues turning around. No doom and gloom predictions, but AirSerbia cannot have any expansion now for many reasons, main one being lack of aircrafts.
      Haters of AirSerbia (and I dare to say Serbia) are going to celebrate next year or two, us others will hope for the wheelmof fortune to turn, but most important is to safe the company for the future.

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    10. Anonymous18:06

      ^ you are so way off. As you will see in coming days.

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    11. Anonymous18:23

      People on here live for drama . Babas in ex yu do not complain as much as guys on here on every single post. Good job JU, get ride of them as safety is your priority and nobody normal cares how much you guys can increase or decrease in 2024.

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    12. Anonymous18:56

      Nothing to do with "balls". It's passengers safety.

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    13. Anonymous22:49

      Could german airways be a fast solution? They operate embraers too.

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  6. Anonymous14:47

    Jesus, a third of their all flight were on E-jets, they have no alternatives, major cuts are coming, unless some other company fills in the gaps.

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      Jets are gonna be transfered to another company

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    2. Anonymous17:35

      @15:56
      Source for that?

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    3. Anonymous18:05

      This can happen only as dry lease or even acquisition of Marathon's planes, but I am not sure they will be able to substitute the crew.
      Another wet lease is definitely no go anymore.

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    4. Anonymous18:11

      And how about Air Pink takes over those planes and starts operating them on behalf of AirSerbia? Wild guess, but is it impossible?

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  7. Anonymous14:48

    So sad, Embraer is such a great aircraft for JU. I understand they need to do this for PR, but we’ll now be stuck with wet leased Boeings and Airbus trying to fit them on routes they don’t fit in. I guess a wide-ranging summer schedule overhaul will follow in the next few weeks.

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    1. Anonymous16:05

      "We" again. It's amazing how many people identify themselves with a company and worry someone else's problems. I wasn't aware of it till now. So weird.

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    2. Anonymous16:06

      Did it cross your mind that he meant "we" as in passengers?

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    3. Anonymous16:15

      No, the passengers are not stuck with Airbuses, they're good and reliable planes in JU fleet. The company is stuck with them "trying to fit them on routes they don't fit in". The passengers for sure don't worry if the plane type "fits the route" or not.

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    4. Anonymous16:17

      How on earth is a passenger stuck with wet leased Boeings and Airbusses where they do not fit? The "we" is clearly linked to JU.

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  8. Anonymous14:48

    Better move than any PR bul...it.

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  9. notLufthansa14:49

    I will comment it with famous lines from TNT Group: bolje ispasti glup, nego iz jurečeg voza.

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      Ili aviona.

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  10. Anonymous14:52

    Finally a proper statement from Air Serbia, showing empathy and moving in the right direction to preserve confidence in the airline. Customers are now assured they won't be flying Marathon planes and pilots when they book Air Serbia flights.

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    1. Anonymous15:14

      Yes, instead they will continue to fly with Klasjet and GetJet or whoever JU now will find with available capacity for Summer...

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    2. Anonymous15:35

      At least they do not have so great pilots.

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    3. Anonymous15:47

      I was happy flying with KlasJet from LCA to BEG, on my way to LJU.

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    4. Anonymous16:53

      Klasjet and other Air Serbia wet lease providers are aware of their responsibilities. If anything, this case will highlight the importance of safety.

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    5. Anonymous16:58

      Hopefully not DanAir again. They didn’t fix seat pockets over weeks. Don’t want to know about the more important parts of maintenance.

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    6. Anonymous17:46

      This is where Air Pink steps in.

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    7. Anonymous18:09

      Well, why not. They are Serbian company after all. Good idea and I think correct guess to be.

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    8. Anonymous18:29

      Anon 18:09 you do realize that Air Pink is a biz jet provider, right?

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  11. Anonymous15:00

    AirSerbia did what was necessary, but will that hurt them? On a short run most probably, on a long run, it just means dry lease of Ejets will come sooner than expected

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    1. Anonymous15:07

      A sa čime će leteti? 3ATR su bila u najavi do kraja marta, izgledan je jedan. Dva A330 do kraja maja. A treba uvesti i nove linije. Taman su ofarbali ove Embraere.

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    2. Anonymous15:13

      All 3 ATRs will be coming, it is already known which MSN they are.

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    3. Anonymous15:15

      330 MSN are not known, right? Or did I miss sth?

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    4. Anonymous15:27

      I think they will dry lease these Ejets now and employ new crew

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    5. Anonymous15:36

      Couldn't they do it on the first place?

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    6. Anonymous15:37

      Anon @15:15
      Yes, A330s MSN are not yet known.

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    7. Anonymous15:56

      Thanks, @15:37

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    8. Anonymous17:42

      Yes, that was a plan after some time. Now that time will come sooner

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    9. Anonymous19:02

      Nisam napisao da druga dva ATR neće stići, ali neće do kraja marta kako je najavljeno. Nadam se da će što pre prevazići situaciju i to sa dry lease opcijom.

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  12. Anonymous15:00

    This was the only right decision.

    Hopefully this is also a big lesson to JU that they should be less dependent on wet lease agreements.

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  13. Anonymous15:00

    Oh that's a bad bad decision... How are they gonna replace 4 Embraers (+1 planned to join the fleet)?? What's next? Summer arrives route reductions? Sad also bc JU's livery looked good on them plus they are suitable aircraft.

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    1. Anonymous15:08

      Bad Bad guy strikes again, with focus on the wrong things as usual. What really matters is not how livery looks on Ejets but the confidence in Air Serbia is maintained by kicking out Marathon.

      We are in February. Enough time to reorganize and find some replacements before Jul/Aug peak season. No doubt Embraer, ACMI providers and leasing companies will jump into action to fill the gap.

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    2. Anonymous15:18

      I presume that a new operator will be jumping in as well. Marathon has zero use for these aircraft and will be glad to pass them on as soon as possible.

      On the other hand, which serious E-Jet ACMI providers are there in Europe: German Regional Airlines, Helvetic...?

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    3. Anonymous15:34

      Bulgaria Air have 4 E190 available for ACMI.

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    4. Anonymous15:34

      Air Serbia putting the blame to Marathon now they have to deal with cancellations with all these new routes they introduced. Sure safety comes first but having a stable network is important too.

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    5. Anonymous16:37

      We dont know if there will be cancelations or not.

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    6. Anonymous16:42

      There are none for tomorrow. All flights are operating normally. My flight to FRA has been changed to A319.

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    7. Anonymous18:53

      "safety comes first but having a stable network is important too." - No, sorry, this is wrong and you have no idea what you are talking about. Passengers lives are above anything.

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  14. Anonymous15:01

    What is the background on these Marathon birds? Are they leasing them all directly from lessors? Obviously, DAT has a piece of the business with OY-GDA and -GDC. Does anyone know any background? Any connection to Nordic Aviation Capital (NAC)?

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  15. Anonymous15:06

    Makes sense. I think they made the right decision, considering the circumstances.

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      Right decision getting rid of 4 (5) planes just before summer season?

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    2. Anonymous15:50

      Indeed, it was the right decision to end the partnership with an unreliable party. Quality and reliability are paramount in business relationships, ensuring long-term success over short-term gains.

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  16. Anonymous15:08

    Wow... maybe exaggerated reaction but better to put blaim on Marathon then to have its reputation stained...

    Hopefully they get these planes into YU register and offer job contracts to existing Marathon pilots. They started training its own cabin crew for the E jets, this incident maybe forces them to speed up the transition to the dry lease model.

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      I personally wouldnt offer anything to the pilots of this airline, as its their fold for the incident.

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  17. Anonymous15:09

    What pilots are these trying to take off with a full E195 on 1200-1300m runway?

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    1. Anonymous15:51

      My thoughts exactly. If you listen to the ATC recording, they even calculated it and then re-confirmed to the ATC that they wish to proceed. Madness.

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    2. Anonymous16:09

      Madness is the correct word for this. I wonder if they actually did this same thing earlier, but successfully? I'm trying to find any rationale for this.

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    3. Anonymous17:18

      I don't think they recalculated anything. They would have not overran the runway in that case

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    4. Anonymous18:51

      Check out the article on this same website - "Marathon hiring Belgrade-based Embraer pilots". I suspect these are one of the contractors they have hired.

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    5. maxi449220:20

      As my coworker likes to say about his fuel being on reserve

      Može on to, znam ja njega.

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    6. Anonymous20:35

      At first moment captain said something like...yes we are aware that we are on D5 with 2276...1276 meters available - that should alarm everyone, guy mistakenly taught that he has more than actually was in front of him...

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    7. Anonymous23:24

      ATC must stop the plane in that situation of mad pilot decisions.

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    8. Anonymous23:55

      20:35 The controller said that, not the pilot

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      ATC was not party cadre during Tito times so it sure isn't now. Stop lying

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  18. Anonymous15:11

    So is there any possibility of AirSerbia taking over the jets? (OY-GDA OY-GDB) How hard would it be to re-train the pilots for the at least peak summer season?

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      The pilots working for Marathon are mostly contractors. If JU offers a decent program, I am sure, that they will be attracting suitable pilots.

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  19. Anonymous15:16

    https://twitter.com/Pedjijatar/status/1759916656657084821

    This is tragic

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  20. Anonymous15:17

    Today I heard two people going to Vienna to catch their flight instead of flying with Air Serbia this weekend although they have purchased the tickets. I am sure they aren't the only one, hence this decision. It's good JU shifted the focus from controlling the narative to controlling the damage.

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      The airline wont collapse because of these two people anyway. Every airline has some people which are dissapointed or scared, its normal.

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      But going to Vienna to fly further just to avoid AirSerbia?! Really you believe in that?! Why haven't they bought Austrian Airlines ticket instead?! Or Lufthansa? Or any other company flying from Belgrade?! This is a crap and a lie and if not, then THE STUPIDITY I would be ashamed of.

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    3. Anonymous12:38

      Do you know how many accidents and incidents have Lufthansa,air France ,air Serbia,and all the major airlines.
      A pilot error is a pilot error..

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  21. Anonymous15:18

    Are the pilots Greeks nationality or serbians ? Obviosly its their mistake , and Air serbia of course dont want to loose their reputation in the aviation world because of pilots mistakes.

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      Have you read any single article here about it? The linked article in the text even tells you their nationality. It is Marathon Airlines crew. Pilot Italian, copilot Polish.

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      Why is nationality relevant for you? Could have been a pilot from Uruguay, Papua Neuguinea, Serbia, Montenegro, or wherever. At the end of the day, he is the Pilot in Command and he fu**d up...

      Btw. afaik, PIC was Italian.

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    3. Anonymous18:49

      Nationality doesn't matter, better question is, when were they hired and has Marathon vetted their pilots properly during the recent hiring bout? How much experience did the JU86 pilots have with E1 prior to the accident?

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    4. maxi449220:26

      I'm also curious about copilot, did he agree with the captain, did he disagree and or did he just stay silent?

      First is mismanagement and bad training by the company.

      The second would put the blame on capitan shoulders.

      The third is bad crew resources management, that should also affect the company policies but giving them leeway because it probably is a relatively new crew.

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  22. Anonymous15:19

    stupid ... overreaction ... shooting their own leg, just because of few haters on social networks

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      It fits the narrative...

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      Nope. Good decision and it shows that they are really committed to safety.

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  23. Anonymous15:41

    Many people here say this is an overreaction but the truth is we can't really know. Yes, cutting out whole Ejet family seems crazy but there are also other things to consider. The fact that a trained licensed flight crew decided to take off with TORA at about 60% of what was necessary smells heavily like major organizational issues within Marathon which JU may not have been aware of until this point. The early investigation and statements from the flight crew could have indicated that Marathon is an airline which was run in an unsafe fashion and if that was the case (which I can't say for sure) this was the only logical move.

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      I absolutely agree with you and we are not sure what happened and will need to wait for the experts to analyse. Aviation incidents are not nice but find there was some misunderstanding with the ATC which did a great job. Pilots are not Serbs, they do not know the airport. Marathon is not Olympic or Aegean with a lot of experience. We will need to wait for the experts to speak.Netflix did a documetary on MH 370, but latest footage clearly shows it was suicidal. Being a pilot is not an easy job. Being an ATC controller as well. Wait and e will see. This incident is very important to the industry. I will never ever forget those leaks and airline cracks.

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  24. Anonymous15:58

    The international safety bodies are going to be crawling over all of this very soon. This is a disaster in its totality. Will be a great episode on Air Crash Investigation in the coming years. Heads all round should and will roll. ATC, Marathon and it's entire (lack of) safety first culture, Air Serbia for not doing effective due diligence in advance and the airport itself (having that a/c parked at a gate rather than remote stand - wow).

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      You know ahead of investigation that "heads will roll all around"? And blaming ATC? Are you okay?

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      ATC were clearly part of the cascade of errors here. A layer of built in redundancy failed. It's clear if you listen to the recording.

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    3. Dejan19:17

      Which genius decided to park a plane leaking fuel on a gate next to other aircraft and passengers?

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      How do you know if plane was leaking before it arrived at the gate? How do you know if pilots and airport operator were aware of the leak before it arrived at the gate?

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      Anonymous18:40 "ATC were clearly part of the cascade of errors"

      What specific ATC error have you identified here?

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      I love all these Air Crash Investigations experts.

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    7. Anonymous20:44

      Specific atc error was that they allowed airplane to start take off roll from d5 - if there was any doubt from atc that safety was compromised they should cancel take off clearance and either direct it to d6 as original clearance was issued of return it to gate until it is cleared if captain was drunk, there was fight in cockpit, hijacked plane or just stupid mistake or something else is in question.

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      You either didn't listen/understand the recording and/or don't understand the procedure. Either way, unfit to comment.

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      Anon 20:44 Did you check if they were squawking 7500? What makes you think there was hijacking? Geez some people are unaware of their own ignorance.

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    10. Anonymous22:38

      Decision for takeoff and perf calculation lies with the crew not atc. He has no idea which aircraft with which weight how many meeters need for takeoff. Embr maybe empty will easily takeoff and from 1000m. Depends of factors weight weather cond pressure etc

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    11. Anonymous01:47

      Not ATCs job to tell the pilot whether they have enough runway. ATC told them the length of the runway, pilot is supposed to know whether it's enough.

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  25. Anonymous16:14

    Does this Italian captain have a past training "history" with another Italian E-Jet operator?

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      We will not know that before the investigation ends.

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      That's what we are all waiting to hear - but let's wait for the investigation.

      I wonder if he was one of the people hired that were mentioned in these news: https://www.exyuaviation.com/2023/06/marathon-hiring-belgrade-based-embraer.html

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      The PIC was Italian, and he was the instructor doing a check on a FO (Polish).
      The pilots hired from BEG were former Montenegro pilots.

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  26. ilijabgc16:25

    It’s sad for JU’s Embraer. All of them were perfect and resisted to the problems when JU had a fleet problem.
    I hope they will have their own ones.

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  27. Anonymous16:38

    Bolje sprečiti, nego lečiti…

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      Neko je napisao da bi mogli da idu na dry lease, ne znam da li je to moguće, onda treba naći posadu, onda ostaje livery 😉

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  28. Anonymous17:48

    AirBulgaria is apparently replacing Marathon, last summer they've leased their E-jets to TAP

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      Ho-ho, no way!

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    2. Anonymous20:30

      Bulgaria Air is also in bad position in terms of managment and safety onboard. The airline is corrupted. Check the video of Josh Cahill on yt and it will be enough for you to understand what kind of airline they really are.

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      20:30 disagree with you. Josh queeny Cahill did it for views and during the pandemic. FB is not the best airline but now concentrating on their fleet. They have been attacked by the big boys, but still found ways to survive via transters, ACMI, charters, etc. It is not a great airline, but nor is it bad. They chose a good Embraer fleet, they operated for TAP, they have codeshares with many airlines and also focus on domestic routes. Josh made the video during the pandemic, , but think the airline is getting better. They now have 3 A220s, SOF also is a victim of many emergency cases like sick travellers or Indian criminals. Those things will not be heard on LiveATC. And also 20:30, why mention FB and not talk about your Greek boyfriends or Romanian leftovers. If FB is corrupted, at least it will not allow such a shameful "incident" to happen in a capital pretending to be a hub. Watch your words, momko and be respectful. The Balkan is not the most prosperous in the region including Serbia.

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  29. Anonymous18:05

    Mostar is in deep trouble if ATR really can't fly there... no way JU is sending A319

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      Why can't ATRs fly there?

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      They can. But someone made up in the comments that it can't.

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      Of course ATR's can fly into Mostar.

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      Actually, JAT flew to Mostar using ATRs just before the break-up of Yugoslavia.

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    5. Anonymous18:52

      And OU is currently flying there with Dash 8 so the whole narrative about turboprops not being able to fly in and out of OMO is pure fiction

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    6. Anonymous20:35

      I think Mostar is the last thing of the list right now. I dont know how you live with this mindset here. The airline’s top priority right now was to end the contract with this airline which turned out to be unprofesional just one month before the start of the summer season, the start of the exact same season where they planned to increase and stablise operations on the routes. Secondly, they dont want bad reputation and spreading news that they swallowed the accident like nothing happend, thats why they did this which was the only right thing to do. Thirdly, they have many more important routes in their network where the E-jets were perfect, routes like FRA, MXP, ATH, HAM, CGN, DUS and so on. OMO is the last route that should be mentioned in these moments. On the other hand, they already had a new record in the past 10 YEARS, 776 passengers in January, so keep calm 😂

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  30. Anonymous18:34

    Air Serbia should place an order for some A220's and operate them themselves.

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      Easier said than done, but yeah let's hope JU has their own regional fleet one day (personally I prefer Embraers but both of them would require separate maintenance, pilot training, etc, it's really not that easy to do)

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      If they're going to buy new I think E2 family is better than a220 for Air Serbia's needs.

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  31. Anonymous18:34

    NOT an over-reaction and thank you Air Serbia! I have a ticket for April 1st that was supposed to be operated by Marathon and I am very relieved to hear these news. I hope Air Serbia has their own Embraers soon!

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      Your comment just confirmed that this decision was the only right thing to do!

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      Yes it did! Lives of my family (and myself and 100 of other people on that plane) are the most important thing in any airline operations.

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  32. Anonymous18:45

    In a situation like this, do both pilots loose there license? Are they ever able to fly again? Im not asking what should happen im genuinely curious to what actually happens?

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      Suspension while investigation is under way. After that further actions are decided upon by relevant authority's.

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  33. Anonymous19:13

    Flights that should have been operated by Marathon Airlines will now be operated by other aircraft in the fleet to maintain traffic continuity" - Not True!
    My flight on 11th of March to Vienna, which was to be operated by marathon airlines. has been cancelled. Just got the email from AS. They moved us to the early morning flight (without asking us if it is something we want).

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      I can't believe that their every statement is a big lie

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      You just lied about their every statement being a lie.

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      11th march is almost a month from now - until then they will either secure more aircraft or re-do their schedule - which in your case they did. If you don't want to take the flight you can call or email them and they'll change the flight or refund you by EU standards. It's common practice and we both know it - you just want to find negatives in the story. What they are doing is focusing on safety (and yes PR) compared to the profits (i guarantee you that those E jets were bringing a steady income) and they should be applauded for that - even though their first response was horrendous to say the least

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      @19:13 Do you want them to wet lease another jet for you in the same moment? Now immediately? If they didnt send you any email then now you would have commented that you have booked flight with JU operated by Marathon and that they are so unprofesional and unpunctional cause you still dont have any info about the flight. You cant find the end for some people here.

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    5. Anonymous21:12

      Taking into account this whole mess, it's actually okay that they rebooked you to the earlier flight. Call customer service and ask if they can put you on another flight? I'm sure they will do so. Personally my (future Marathon) flight was changed to A319.

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      On 11 March there are 2 VIE flights, so you can call them to go on the evening one if it is better for you.

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      Do you understand it got cancelled?

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    8. Anonymous21:34

      The third flight got cancelled. The morning and evening flight are scheduled and on sale.

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    9. Anonymous23:15

      @20:33 @20:40 what I would like for them to do is not lie that "Flights that should have been operated by Marathon Airlines will now be operated by other aircraft". Which clearly is not true. Don't say things which are not true. Simple as that.
      Big fan of Air Serbia btw. I travel a lot on business and always look firat for Air Serbia options. Also was a bih fan of adding E-jets yo their fleet as I lreffer them over noisier and slower ATRs.
      Just "do not lie" please. Simole rule.

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  34. Anonymous20:44

    Stupid decision in my opinion, Marathon isn’t guilty for that, the ATC Tower is, fire that ATC guy and the two Marathon pilots, not ending the contract. Anyway, good bye to those beautiful Embraer, you’ll be missed, the livery too ! Hope Bulgaria Air’s one will replace Greek ones.

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      They'll get the Embraers some other way, another lease or eventually their own, also question is what happens to the current wet lease ones, maybe become dry lease (just speculating)

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      fire that ATC guy ??? Better yet, fire your a** from making unsubstantiated comments.

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    3. Anonymous04:54

      ATCs were doing a great job and have absolute ZERO fault in this accident. Solely "pilot" error (I'm having trouble calling those two pilots).

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  35. Anonymous21:08

    Everyone that says "JU overreacted" - employees of Marathon?

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  36. Dee21:27

    Nek propadne sve..

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  37. Anonymous21:31

    Brzina kojom je AS reagovala i raskinula ugovor govori da ovo nije prvi incident sa posadom Marathon-a. Daljna saradnja postaje suvise rizicna i po reputaciju AS i po reputaciju aerodroma BEG. Ovo je iznudjen ali ocekivan korak.
    Sto se aerodroma BEG tice, video kako gorivo curi iz krila a prikuplja se u kolicima za prtljag je - katastrofa.

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  38. Anonymous21:34

    Wonder if the whole safety culture (or lack of it) at Marathon is something similar to Helios (Cyprus based airline that went bankrupt in 2005 or so after that crash in ATH killing everyone on board. Marathon may not survive this.

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  39. Anonymous22:31

    Takeoff recording from someone onboard that flight:

    https://twitter.com/Pedjijatar/status/1760044316268138587

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  40. Anonymous23:06

    2 of them were already re-positioned to Athens, one more is departing tomorrow morning. End of a short era, that's for sure

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      Don't cry becuse it's over, smile because it happened (except from the accident)

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  41. BWI7600:50

    Jetblue is retiring several Embraer jets imminently. I hope they figure something out with them

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      Please, honey. Since when are Embraers bad aircraft? Ask many airlines why they are excellent, economical and reliable. Why do LOT for example still use them until today?

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      @02:37
      Dude meant JU eill get jests from JetBlue. Not that JetBlue thonks there's a problem with an aircraft..

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      Will*
      Thinks*

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  42. Anonymous02:34

    I support JU's decision, this incident is probably considered criminal and do not care where the pilots are from. Marathon is just a wannabe airline wth not much experience. This is not bad, but JU will need to react fast, talk and consult with experts, Jiri ad Vinci are not vocal, which is normal. BUT, ATC were doing their job however like the Tenerife disaster and based on the audio and not knowing the airport, thre could have been a problem. We also and will repeat it 100 times, not know the profile of the pilots yet and this strange decision to dump fuel over populated Belgade neighbourhoods.
    One fact for sure is that this is a series of events. Pilot fatigue, not knowing the airport, new runway, maybe very bad luck with this plane. We don't know, could be intentional, God knows.
    Still think this incident is very strange and leaves us all with 1 million questions. Will also very early wait and see what Mentour Pilot will say and react, Mario Bakalov is an A380 working for mama Lufti and will be very interesting what he will say as well.
    For sure, this accident happened for many reasons and yes if it is pilot error, can be considered a crime. And the cabin crew and the passengers maybe going to DUS and continue work, others to study, others just visiting BEG, etc, etc.
    But yes, it is a real miracle everyone survived. Pretty sure, the poor pilots are now under super pressure. What is now challenging is the reputation of the young airline. JU had nice and good ambitions but incidents like this one are never good.

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      "Poor pilots"? Are you kidding? They are kind of pilots who were never supposed to be pilots at the first place. They made an inexcusable mistake.

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      This guy has written the same bs for the third time

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  43. Anonymous05:20

    RIP Air Serbia Embraers

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      They were wet leased , never belong to Air Serbia .

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  44. Anonymous15:15

    They are looking for better deal with other companies. More money is always better and this is opportunity for that.

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