Who does thought they go there for something positive ? Comeone be for real

They have a lot more competition on these two markets compared to before.

I bet Bajic thought he could score a victory by going there and asking for discounts, thinking he can play like Ryanair. Only to be told that he is irrelevant.

Or maybe he just went to have a free holiday under the excuse of a business meeting.

Either way, he is a failure as a leader.

I don't think Bajic is a failure, he's doing exactly what OU owners want him to do.

OU would need painful restructuring like the one JU got under Kondic's leadership back in 2013. Without it Air Serbia would have never made it. Dane surgically removed all the old Jatovci who became dinosaurs and who couldn't understand what modern aviation was all about.

Croatian government isn't ready for that move. Too many friends, lovers, family members... working there. OU is not commercially run and Bajic is following government instructions.

I think they went there for ćevapi.....

People are jealous on Jasmin magic and talent. They went on introduction of kahva on OU flights and closing flights to SSJ. Both talks were very successful.

Bcs this airline is complete mess.

True they reduced them this summer two as well as last winter and they also discontinued Split-Skopje.

And this is to SKP airport which has quite a growth this season. Not to mention seasonal workforce migration on this route, vicinity of Kosovo which has 0 flights to Croatia, etc.

Growth of the airport doesnt mean growth of this route. Seasonal workers only fly once or twice during a season. This doesnt equal huge ongoing demand. Skopje is a relativrly small city and many people who go to Croatia do so by car.

In regional terms Skopje is definitely not a small city. And which road route from Skopje to Split you would recommend (we will put aside EES)?

How does a city with almost 1 million people can be small ??? SKP this year has a great growth and that is mostly run by Wizz air new routes , plus Freebird charters which this year have alot of European cities addings, there is two daily flights with 150+ tourists in each plane , thats roughly 300+ people every single day. Plus here are summer charters that are full

The fact that there are no flights from Kosovo and Metohija to HR shows how weak demand is. Various airlines tried this market and nothing worked in the end

From Kosovo alone maybe but wouldn't that be good argument to up the SKP operations? I mean, when there's no direct flight and not much options to connect and there is some demand which is not enough for a direct flight but there is some, the last thing to do is to cut the best and closest option for travel... I think they just don't care about it. I'm certain Kosovo people use that Wizz LJU flights to reach Croatia too, especially Istria.

Because, Jasmin asked here, his fans what to do. So, we advice him and he did. He cut couple of routes, also cut 900 instead of 1000 flights after our suggestions here. Thank you Jasmin for the trust.

@10:10
Almost 1 million? Thats a generous view of the city. Just come down from any patriotic obsession man. Its sad

Skopje is bigger than Zagreb by the way and its the longest city in Ex-Yu if i am not mistaken.

Tbh 4 times weekly to Skopje sounds about right during the shoulder season unless OU return to a proper hub system.
Zagreb to Sarajevo is never gonna be a profitable route for an airline without connections and both cities are far better connected to the world than the post-war period.

You can tell that for almost any intra exYu route, yet the number of them keep growing, with even LCC joining the club.

@9.30 you are right but OU's goal was never to be a p2p airline

OU's goal is to maintain status quo with minimal disruptions.

Losing market share and tons of money is not status quo so they failed in reaching that goal too.

OU's goal is to maintain feeding LHG with maximal losses

Who's gonna turn down a freebie

Croatia records has a business agreement with OU.

^ I understand but was their presence needed in a meeting in Sarajevo?

Because Croatian music dominates the Bosnian music scene. They are also an important corporate client.

There's a jubilee in September, maybe that will involve some music performance in plane or at the airport/special song with Croatia Records artists...

LOL!

Mr Babogredac was part of the team, together with Misetic, Zabo and Jasmin. He made party as dj on the end of successful negotiations. Fantastic team of leaders and managers. Babogredac also give free advice about kahva, music and flight operations.

Najjaci tim bez sumnje!! Pazite ovo.. Bbabogredac je stavio sediste jedne svoje firme na Babinoj Gredi!! Kralj

Babogredac doo Babina Greda, hahaha He will make OU killing mashine

OU is killing OU there. Morning flights from SKP no longer connect onto anything, evening flights to SKP leave before MUC, BRU, LHR etc arrive.

Lufthansa flights as well Austrian are currently lot cheaper then Croatian it is not normal , as well LOT is way cheaper than them :D

Apart from Adriatic airports, OU doesn't offer anything of interest to connect to, especially out of season. This is P2P and it has its limits... For Skopje I bet many use Wizz service to LJU.

Small portion still using ZAG as option to transfer through CDG,AMS,LHR,MUC those are most airports in demand from SKP

Turkish can cover majority of that demand with one stop.

Air Serbia can cover that demand with 1 stop too, but with shorter flying times.

Turkish can yes but their tickets inside Europe sometimes are lot more expensive than OU and JU
What Turkish really does out of SKP is flights to USA/Canada/Middle east/Asia

Australia this days as well too*

@9.07 nailed it.

@ both 10:39 yes, I was referring to UK & long haul, for Europe there are LH, Austrian and Air Serbia (especially for region) with good prices and connections. I think AMS or CDG will enter the chat soon, too.

09.07
OU is killing OU everywhere. I mean, not exactly everywhere. I thought all their network worldwide, all 20 airports they proudly serve

May they are almost daily , and all summer are 5x weekly
OU prices are just crazy after the crisis , flight to ZAG in June is 200+ eur it is crazy, Austrian and Lufthansa are cheaper than them

I think Wizz will hit the ceiling with 6x per week in summer (maybe daily in jul, aug and sep) and 4x in winter, which is still incredibly good. This year when they went 4 weekly with A321 their LF was like 75% in January, so I don’t see them increasing the winter more.

Also now they were flying daily for a month and their prices were relatively low, so I can’t imagine the yields were really good. But still, if they manage to get to 6x per week the countries will be very well connected.

Six weekly on A321 is more than enough. Wizz Air will most likely focus on yields now that they see where the limit is.

They went daily bcs of the Basel runway being renovated. I think 5x weekly is the limit with such a large aircraft. I truly think that they would be better off doing 3x weekly to Tirana and 2x weekly to Bucharest instead.

Most of the summer W6 will serve it with 5x no surprising to add one more , but even with 5x it is pretty much great

q9.41 lmao the high density expert again

most stupid comment @9.41 SKP turned out to be the most busy p2p route out of Ljubljana airport and you want to change it for Tirana and Bucharest. HAHAHA !!! Why so much hate....

SKP fanboys need to take a chill pill and read what he wrote before posting nonsense. He didn't say to cancel the route but rather to use those extra frequencies to other destinations. What he wrote makes absolute sense especially if SKP-LJU is reaching its full potential.

then read again "I truly think that they would be better off doing 3x weekly to Tirana and 2x weekly to Bucharest INSTEAD."

he can fly to his homeland from TRS with both Ryanair and Wizzair

Instead of adding 5 more frequencies to this route. That's at least how I understand it...

@11:35 broken record

As the OP of 9.41... I meant it as "5x is the limit, instead of increasing it to 7x weekly, they should try some new routes too"

JU doing amazing in SKP , strategically calculated and sending ATR on each flight and each of them is always full!!!

not that difficult to fill an ATR

Time to consider a 06.30 departure from BEG to SKP

Not difficult to fill up ATR yes , but when you will fill up A220 on regional route be real ???

Nobody forced OU to take A220 and to retire Q400.
JU strategy was much, much smarter.

That's because JU fleet managers were smarter than the OU ones. They took their time testing different aircraft and realized there was nothing better than the ATR.

OU should have never retired their Atr. Ideally they should have a mix of ATRs and old A319s. The A220s is too expensive for them, just look at the mess with BT.

It was not OU fleet managers that came up with this fleet strategy. It was esteemed BCG, and top management and owners adopted the strategy.

BCG was highly corruptive deal in order Mafia which surrendered croatian market to LHG to be "covered" and not responsible for OU remaining humiliated feeder while they continue getting lease percentage to their pockets. Gravedigger of croatian aviation Ivan Mišetić is behind everything

JU doing very well and smart with ATRs fleet in regional routes.
OU should learn from them

ATR makes so much sense for OU especially for regional flights.

Jasmin the Lion is our genius and full support for his logic and brave moves toward stabilization.

ZAG-SJJ must be something like 30 mins... Maybe A330 would fit better.

Hahahha true dat
No sense from this airline at all
Thats why they never had any profit in their history :D

Maybe thr countries should man up and fix the railway! But that really would be too much to hope for

I think they will at some point. We saw how popular the train is in Serbia once they fixed it to the north of the country.

I don't think anyone doubts in popularity of trains. It's about cost of infrastructure and operations though. But for two centuries it proves to be of a worth.

Of course but not during the war.

JAT flew around 12 weekly, all with B737s and DC9s (mostly DC9s). There was also some local airline in Sarajevo that flew to ZAG I believe.

Daily two flights, morning and evening, same as to Belgrade.

Back in those days driving to Sarajevo was like a safari trip. The road was ghastly.

Maybe it can't be planned but it is a fact that these flights have been removed and can't be bough on OU website anymore.

*bought

It is interesting to me that OU is so heavily reducing flights for wwinter to SJJ and SKP although the situation might get improved until end of October.

Or they want to use the situation in Middle East for cutting less profitable routes only as an excuse no matter if it gets improved or not?

That's because these two routes didn't perform that well on the Q400. It's crazy to expect them to do well on A220.

4x weekly flights to SKP in winter period is perfectly enough!
And yes their biggest mistake yet is using A220 to regional 1 hour routes

Please call JU straight away and tell them that their frequency of 10 winter flights BEG-SKP is totally wrong!

Dont compare JU and BEG out of SKP. Options to travel out of BEG and with JU is way batter than OU and ZAG. Plus JU usint Atr on each SKP flight which is easy to fill up, when you will fill A220 on regional 1 hour route???

Having wide network out of BEG and flying on ATR has not fallen from the sky to JU, but the consequence of smart decisions.
Nobody forbade OU to take the same path, but they obviously thought they were much cleverer by taking "shine and brighty".
Therefore comparison is more than welcome not only because of flying frequency, but also because of development strategy.

It is all about smart decision and strategy that JU having but not OU.... easy to see who leads smarter and who have positive results in this game

JU is also consistent. SKP was rescheduled in 2013 and has not changed since. Connections are optimal and people have gotten used to flying with Air Serbia.

OU on the other hand has a bizarre schedule to SKP and very often connections are not possible.

@12.10 JU schedule to SKP is everything but optimal (have fun arriving at 2.10am!) its rather the not existing hub startegy of OU that is bizzare

It arrives at 2.10 because it allows it to pick up passengers from their entire evening wave from Europe to Begrade, and allows it to carry passengers back from Skopje to catch the morning wave of departures in Belgrade. Exactly the same schedule exists for Thessaloniki, Tirana, Sofia, Athens, Istanbul..

Well they haven't cut those night flights over the past 13 years so they are obviously popular. Think about it like this.

You are a Macedonian fellow in Paris. With JU you can leave Paris at 20.30 and have a whole day there. In case you don't like it and you want your beauty sleep, then no worries, take the 10.00 flight out of CDG and you'll be in SKP at around 14.00.

JU scheduling network has thought this one through.

Or simply don't use JU and use LH Group.

Not only that but JU fleet managers introduced the E75 and E90 before relying on E95s, A320s...

They saw that the E75 was too small so the E90 became the ideal plane to bridge the gap between the small and slow ATR and much larger planes.

OU made a huge jump overnight.

I gave recommendation to cut SSJ, And kahva was one of reasons for visit.

They are different ones

Yeah. I guess is 2 of them. One from the 3rd floor in Buzin, the other one from Središnjica

Hhahahahahahah

Why? It would kill their LJU flights. Also I am sure ZAG isn't as cheap for them as LJU is.

why would it kill it, its not like 30% of their LJU pax are ZAG bound. Low cost p2p potential between HR and MK is not even touched yet. btw first time i hear LJU is cheap

They don't like short routes, it would have to be mega attractive...

quite the opposite, they like short routes so they can utilize their aircrafts even more ... there are shorter low cost routes from both ZAG and SKP

12.11
I thought LJU was more expensive than ZAG

wow that wordplay at the end

I think he will be active until last days of OU or kahva existence. Jasmin will survive longer. Jasmin is pure gold of Europe aviation and he has lot of fans here.

True dat.

Yes, just that Home button on top should be more transparent. It distracts from the content.

Yes

Ma nije Beg cicija. Ionako plaća stoka sitnog zuba

Such routes will be operated by ATR 72.