Swiss to suspend Geneva - Belgrade flights

Swiss to terminate Geneva - Belgrade route at the end of summer

Swiss International Air Lines has confirmed it will suspend flights between Geneva and Belgrade, with the last service scheduled to operate on Saturday, October 24. The two weekly flights were launched in December 2013, but faced significant competition later on with both Etihad Regional and easyJet introducing the service in 2014. Etihad Regional was the first to give up on the route in October that same year. easyJet will continue to maintain flights between the two cities. Swiss has discontinued sales for the route but will maintain its presence in Belgrade with a total of nine weekly flights from Zurich currently scheduled to operate during the 2015/16 winter season.

The decision to suspend flights to Belgrade comes at a time when the carrier is significantly expanding its presence in the former Yugoslavia. Swiss is the latest in a string of foreign airlines which have announced service suspensions to the Serbian capital, with most of them facing direct competition from other carriers. On Friday, easyJet suspended its flights from Milan, following on from its Rome suspension at the start of the 2014/15 winter season. It competed directly against Alitalia and Air Serbia on both routes. Commenting on the suspension on Friday, easyJet said, “As we have a limited number of aircraft, we have to make decisions about the airports to which we fly”. In an earlier statement to EX-YU Aviation News, the airline said it has no plans to resume these services in the near future. Other carriers, such as Etihad Regional and TAP Portugal, discontinued their flights to the Serbian capital following brief stints, as a result of poor interest. Germanwings terminated services from Stuttgart to Belgrade in October, in face of increased competition from Air Serbia on the route. The airline had previously discontinued flights from Cologne to the Serbian capital in 2012. Germanwings will resume services between Stuttgart and Belgrade on July 30, albeit on a seasonal basis for just over a month - until September 10.

AirlineOriginLaunch dateSuspension dateCompetition
Adria AirwaysLjubljanaMAR 2 2010FEB 16 2014Air Serbia
easyJetMilan
Rome
APR 19 2013
MAR 31 2014
MAR 27 2015
OCT 25 2014
Air Serbia
Alitalia
Etihad RegionalGenevaMAY 1 2014OCT 23 2014Swiss / easyJet
GermanwingsStuttgartMAY 24 2007OCT 25 2014Air Serbia
TAP PortugalLisbonJUL 2 2014JAN 14 2015-
Wizz AirCharleroiMAR 29 2011MAY 6 2014-

On the other hand, Belgrade Airport has also seen the launch of a handful of new routes over the past year by Air Serbia, as well as the introduction of seasonal flights from Barcelona, operated by Vueling Airlines, and the start of scheduled, year-long, services from Hurghada by Air Cairo. Recently, Air Berlin applied for a permit to launch six weekly flights from Dusseldorf starting this May. However, in a statement to EX-YU Aviation News, the airline says it still considering whether to introduce the flights. “The decision for opening the new route is not final but we are in discussions about possible flights between Belgrade and Dusseldorf. We are currently reviewing all economic factors. As soon as we come to a conclusion, we will of course inform the public timely”, Air Berlin says. The airline currently codeshares on a total of fifteen routes operated by Air Serbia and is awaiting government approval for a further two.

Comments

  1. Anonymous09:04

    Route was too congested with competition. Let' hope easy stay on with these flights.

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    1. Anonymous09:30

      Etihad Regional was a joke, at the beginning they had really cheap fares, but then tickets were like 300 - 400 €...
      Swiss really ate them, I wonder how long will they survive.

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  2. Anonymous09:06

    :(

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  3. Anonymous09:14

    It has been confirmed - Croatia Airlines will be sold by the end of the year

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    1. Anonymous09:28

      To who? ^^

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    2. Anonymous10:01

      To ni oni sami neznaju

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    3. Anonymous10:10

      Ne fantaziraj.

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    4. Anonymous10:26

      No. Croatia Airlines MIGHT be sold. Not WILL be sold. You need a buyer first to sell something. Something OU doesn't have currently. There's plenty of little airlines around the world with superiority complexes, looking for buyers. But it's the big players that pull the strings. And with a CEO that is vehemently putting the spanner in the works, you might need more than a half-baked government attempt at a sale.

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    5. Anonymous11:32

      01 April verovatno

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    6. Anonymous14:27

      Inn-ns molim te nemoj pisati neznaju spojeno.

      AnonymousApril 1, 2015 at 11:32 AM
      Bravo! Pogodili ste

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    7. Anonymous16:00

      Ja se ovde uvek potpisem posto se ne bojim kao neki da budem anonymous.
      INN-NS

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    8. Anonymous19:42

      Sve je to okej, samo nemoj pisati ne i znati spojeno...

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  4. Anonymous09:27

    I'm really sad that easyJet left ... FCO and MXP were great for connecting to their other flights and very cheap usually.

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  5. Anonymous09:37

    It was obvious that only one would be left stanading on this route. It was just a matter of who.

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  6. Purger09:44

    Swiss od listopada ukida liniju Geneva-Beograd. EasyJet je sa ljetnim redom letenja ukinuo i Rim i Milano. I B&H Airlines je prekinuo letjeti iz Sarajeva za Beograd. Od ovog reda letenja FlyDubi leti sa samo 3 tjedna lete (letjeli su 4, pa čak i 5 letova tjedno). Ovime se brojka kompanija koje su ukinule i smanjile frekvencije popeo na 11:

    - Wizzair (50% frekvencija),
    - easyJet (70% i ostao je na samo jednoj liniji),
    - Germanwings (100%),
    - Swiss (100% Geneva),
    - Turkish (30%),
    - Etidad Regional (100%),
    - Lufthansa (10%),
    - flyDubai (25%)
    - TAP Portugal (100%)
    - Adria (100%),
    - B&H Airlines (100%)

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    1. Anonymous09:52

      100%? Pa ajde da su imali 10 linija - pa je okej da se pišu procenti, ali kada imaju samo jednu liniju ka Beogradu, glupo je pisati ovako u procentima.

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    2. Anonymous09:58

      Samo sam te ceko

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    3. Anonymous10:15

      Iskreno gore je kad kompanija ode u naskroz koja je imala i jedan let sedmično nego kad ona koja ima 15 linija to smanji na 10 ili svaku liniju za let dva. Ovo kada kompanija ode znači manje konkurencije.

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    4. Anonymous10:20

      Slažem se. Germanwings, TAP, Adria, Air Bosna, Darwin, Swiss sa Geneve su otišli potpuno i to je loše za Beograd. EasyJet je ostao još samo simbolično, a Wizzair je prepolovio svoje letove. I kod drugih je vidljiv trend smanjivanja broja letova. Mislim da je to ogromna poruka aerodromu. A to su kompanije koje plaćaju Aerodromu Beograd velik novac za razliku od Air Serbie koja ne plaća gotovo ništa.

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    5. Anonymous10:29

      I sta sad gospodine Purger gde su silne Aviokompanije sto ste najavljivali za ZAG ????.
      INN-NS

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    6. Anonymous10:31

      INN-NS samo prosle godine je za Zagreb pocelo da leti 5-6 kompanija,

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    7. Anonymous10:35

      Znam ali gde je onih 10 sto je najavio .
      INN-NS

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    8. Anonymous10:38

      A vidi ovo 2015:
      Zagreb - Budapest
      April 02 - Air Croatia

      Zagreb - Prague
      April 02 - Air Croatia

      Zagreb - Milan
      April 03 - Air Croatia

      Zagreb - Rome
      April 03 - Air Croatia

      Zurich - Zagreb
      April 15 - Swiss Int. Air Lines

      Toronto - Zagreb
      June 22 - SkyGreece Airlines

      Brussels - Zagreb
      September 20 - Brussles Airlines

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    9. Purger11:20

      Sinko, ja nisam ništa najavljivao. Niti jedan jedini puta. No, u posljednjih godinu dana u Zagreb su krenuli letjeti:

      1. LOT
      2. KLM za Amsterdam
      3. Germanwings za Hamburg
      4. ECA za Rovinj
      5. Trade Air za Rijeku
      6. Air Serbia za Beograd
      7. FlyDubai za Dubai

      8.Air Croatia za Budimpeštu (od travnja)
      9. Air Croatia za Prag (od travnja)
      10. Air Croatia za Milano (od travnja)
      11. Air Croatia za Rim (od travnja)
      12. Swiss za Zurich (od travnja)
      13. SkyGreece za Atenu (od lipnja)
      14. SkyGreece za Toronto (od lipnja)
      15. Brussels za Brisela (od rujna)

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    10. Anonymous11:28

      Te kompanije nisu spominjane osim SN.
      Pricano je o DY-SK-AY-CSA.
      A sto se tice Air Croatie znaci ija cu sad da pisem moj plan letenja iz BEG za Serbian Airways.
      INN-NS

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    11. Purger11:52

      Sinko naporan si. Još jednom ja ni u jednom momentu nisma spominjao da se najavljuje DY (koji već leti za ZAG), ni SK (koji ima odličan code-share na svakodnevnim letovima CTN-a), ni za AY ni za OK. Uberi me, sinko, JA NISAM NAJAVLJIVAO OVE KOMPANIJE!!!!

      Air Croatijin avion je već dva dana stacioniran u ZAG i sutra kreću letovi. Hoće li potrajati? Iskreno ne znam. Šanse su 50:50. Mislim da je ovaj model potpuno promašen, BUD nema perspektive to je sigurno, PRG ima šanse ako će cijelu godinu letjeti najmanje 5 letova tjedno, FCO ako će cijelu godinu letjeti bar svakodnevno, a MPX samo ako će imati dva leta dnevno radnim danom i po jedna vikendom. Sve ostalo nema šanse. No, ako će trajati i par mjeseci to će donijeti putnike Zagrebu.

      U svakom slučaju i bez njih broj kompanija koje su došle je više nego zavidan, poglavito što su mešu njima i neki od glavnih igrača kao što je KLM, Swiss, Brussels, LOT, flyDubai.

      Na listu treba dodati još i ECA najavu za Novalju.

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    12. Anonymous12:48

      Ne znam dali ste vi ali znam da je neki gospodin iz Zagreba pisao.
      Air Croatia je samo gubljenje para pogotovu zbog ATR42 .
      Mogu reci blago ZAG sto leti KL i LJU sto tamo leti AY koje se nadam da ce doci u BEG.
      INN-NS

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    13. Anonymous12:55

      Neke od ovih jesu poruka, kao npr Wizzov odlazak, a neki od njih su samo realnost.

      Turkish - rezultat pregovora, Turci su se izivljavali na toj liniji, nisu dali da se leti za Ataturk.

      Adria - Er Srbija ih rasturila
      B&H - Er Srbija ih nije toliko rasturila, koliko su oni propali sami od sebe.
      Lufty - Mislim da je tu Er Srbijin damping ucinio svoje, ne verujem da bi Vucic poltron na bilo kakav neprofesionalan nacin da utice na njih.
      Etihad regional - nazalost, srpska realnost, nema toliko mnogo potraznje za Zenevom. Sreca pa imamo jos Easy, valjda ce bar povecati frekvencije.

      Easy - mozda je ono sa Milanom i/ili Rimom bila poruka .

      FlyDubai i TAP - jedna velika grehota, pogotovo TAP. Fale nam takve egzoticne destinacije.

      Sve u svemu, nije dobro.

      Nadam se da je ova godina zapravo godina stabilizacije Er Srbije (vidimo po tome sto nema novih linija).

      I onda, sledece godine, kada se JU stabilizuje, kada krene da ostvaruje PRAVI profit i kada bude imao dosta frekvencija sa glavnih aerodroma u regionu i sire, da ce onda opet godina biti poput 2010-2012 kada smo mogli da letimo i do Madrida, i do Kijeva i Rige cini mi se. Tada nece morati da odbija inostrane carter kompanije kao sada, da bi ostvario profit i utilizovao svoje avione.

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    14. Anonymous13:11

      Pa ASL je ostvarila pravi profit a kad budu najavili letove za USA vama vecini na ovom Blogu ce biti toliko krivo.
      INN-NS

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    15. Wizz Air seems to be doing more than fine in Larnaca. This morning's LCA-BEG had 136 passengers which is fantastic.

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    16. Anonymous13:59

      Nemjee
      Koji je najveci Avion sto leti za LCA
      INN-NS

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    17. Нисам сигуран али мислим да је Трансаеро Б744. Што се тиче Ларнаке они имају широкотрупних авиона колико хоћеш.
      Мада, једини који редовно лете током целе године су Емирати и Бритиш.

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    18. Anonymous16:49

      FUNNY HOW YOU INCLUDE AIR CROATIA, I WILL INCLUDE INN-NS CARGO SPED AND AIRLINES THEN :)

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    19. Vaske16:56

      Croatians should be happy they got 6-8 lines last year ( plus new airport soon!), but dont forget that BEG also got 10 lines in one year when JAT was in sh*t state. So no need for comparison ( even if somebody is better or not). I cant believe that respected member such as purger even stared this discussion!!!

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    20. Anonymous17:13

      Kompanija se zove Serbian Airways a ne INN-NS Airways. I da saopstim Blogerima poruceno je 6 77F .
      INN-NS

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  7. Anonymous10:15

    This 1st April joke, and you all got hooked :)

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    1. Anonymous10:24

      No, it's not. In winter 2015 you can not buy nonstop BEG-GVA with Swiss, but just via ZRH.

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    2. Anonymous10:32

      lol I wish it was but it's no joke

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  8. SuisseOuest10:45

    It was good while it lasted - I especially loved the one time I flew business class on that route... Winter schedule (Thu/Sun evenings) was really great.
    I hope EasyJet ups the frequency and flies a bit more convenient schedule (6am from GVA is not convenient) or that AirSerbia adds this route...
    Cheers from Lac Leman

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  9. Anonymous11:10

    Finnair announce one time rotation to LJU with brand new A350 in SEP/2015 and several more EU countries. In Finnair A350 European Tour.

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  10. Anonymous11:20

    Zgrazavam se sve ucestalije cinjenice da ne mozemo da popunimo bar 100 sedista na 2,3 nedeljne linije do lis, gva ili str. Da ne pricam o wizzovoj neisplativoj liniji za sandefjord koja je kostala i 30€ RT. Wizz je ukinuo samo one linije koje mu nisu odgovarale i to crl i trf. Crl zbog svakodnevnog prisustva asl-a kao i da kazni putnike zbog svadje sa beg-om iako je bila jedna od najisplativijih linija sa beg-a, a trf zato sto je kao i pre 3 god do fco, leteo gotovo prazan. Cesto se pitam kako je moguce da ne mozemo da napunimo 2, 3 nedeljna leta do nekog veceg evropskog grada. Verovatno je odgovor da smo teska beda i sirotinja. Ne znam sta bi drugo moglo biti. Manite me prica o asl-u. da su oni u pitanju, odavno bi lh, lx i os potestovali pred raznoraznim evropskim komisijama.. Nadam se da ce swiss ipak u neko vreme odluciti da letovi gva-beg postanu bar sezonski

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    1. Anonymous12:43

      Za Torp sam cuo da je oko 100 km daleko od Osla, nisam nikad leteo do tamo. Mada ni to nije potpuno "opravdanje", slazem se.

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    2. Anonymous12:43

      Sumnjam da bi WZZ "kažnjavao" putnike. Oni lete tamo gde imaju dobru popunjenost, a samim tim i profit. Činjenica je da je BRU specifična ruta na kojoj mnogi lete iz poslovnih razloga, a tu se Wizz nije mogao uklopiti sa CRL, koji je dosta udaljen od grada.
      Ono što mi nije jasno je kako da niko osim LH ne ide za Minhen. Znam da je JAT leteo ranije. LH ubija sa cenama uglavnom i trebalo bi im uvesti direktniju konkurenciju nego što je WZZ koji leti na FMM.

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    3. Vaske16:59

      +1 11:20, best and of course most realistic comment I read in a long time on this blog!

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    4. Vaske17:09

      Also it is sad when I have a number of middle class friends who are currently enrolled in University of Novi Sad and Belgrade and are close to finishing their degrees, but yet they have never traveled on an airplane. The reason of course is financial reasons since not only would they have to pay for Wizz tickets, but also for motel/hostel, food, transport within that country,etc. My point is that ASL does impact the competition of course, but economic situation within the country is horrible and therefore when it comes to Serbian ( not transfer pax market) we reached a max this year. I do not need any trolls or anonymous to come here now and say economic situation in the country is good!!

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    5. Anonymous17:53

      You are completely wrong about what is middle class. They are just poor students.

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    6. Vaske18:16

      ^ lol man, I look at their parents situation as well since a lot of our students depend on parents and trust me I know the difference between classes. I don't even include the Serbian lower class here since they can only dream of flying.

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    7. Anonymous15:51

      veliki deo srednje klase kod nas nazalost je to samo po obrazovanju a ekonomoski jedva sastavljaju kraj sa krajem. ne bih se iznenadio da su im roditelji putovakli avionom osamdesetih..

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  11. Anonymous12:35

    Nije mi jasno zasto je easy ukinuo MXP a zadrzao GVA... Po informacijama na ovom blogu,MXP je bio uvek pun,ja sam jednom leteo samo i gotovo da nije bilo praznog mesta... Da su se povukli sa GVA,mozda bi swiss onda ostao na toj liniji

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    1. Anonymous12:45

      To ni meni nije baš jasno. Leteo sam na toj ruti nekoliko puta i uvek je bila popunjenost 90 %, ako ne i više. Za FCO mogu da kažem da je bilo baš prazno, 37 putnika na letu u Septembru.

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  12. Anonymous12:53

    Cudi me da ukidaju liniju kad svi koji su leteli kazu da je odlicno popunjeno da nije zbog skupih taksi u Svajcarskoj.
    INN-NS

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  13. Aэrologic14:07

    Brief trip-report. Last night ATH-CAI, A320 on Aegean. LF less than 50%, not disastrous but not far from it. Service bland, erratic and disinterested, food inedible and in minuscule quantities. The only worse food i ever got on a plane was with Air India to HKG. A true disappointment.

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    1. Anonymous15:14

      Fly TK next time.

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    2. Aэrologic21:47

      Thanks for the advice, i flew them actually. TK1843 IST-ATH, ticket bought with Aegean. 738 downgraded from 77W. Catering top-notch, the best i ever got on a short-haul flight and comparable only with Qatar. FA's proactive and kind, a stark contrast with Aegean that followed. Transfer in Athens is seamless, i'd call it one of the best airports in Europe.

      On another note, for the whole day i could say that i saw 5 tourists in Cairo, which together with A3's loads may indicate why for Air Serbia it isn't the best destination to launch at the moment.

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    3. Vaske23:12

      To be honest I thought that A3 was doing much better on that route, but I agree that if A3 is struggling than ASL would do even worse. I am also really curious to how will A3 expansion play out since they are starting a number of routes soon or some have already started I believe. Some of the weirdest destinations they will start soon are Riyadh, Tehran and Yerevan.

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    4. Aэrologic01:15

      Those 'strange routes' are the same i've been proposing for Air Serbia. First is the capital of world's largest oil exporter, second of one of the top 20 world's economies with relatively poor air links to Europe (none to SE Europe) and third an underserved market until recently restricted to foreign carriers. So no, those routes make perfect sense but it is more the Aegean's service i would worry about at this point.

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    5. Vaske04:14

      Saudi Arabia has decent links with Europe, definitely not poor. I believe that I read somewhere that A3 has moved the start of RUH by 2 months so I guess the sales are not going too well. I think that Tehran would be a good option for ASL since they have poor connections with Europe and greater diaspora than Saudi Arabia. For Yerevan I cannot speak since I have no idea about air travel in that region.

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    6. Yerevan makes the most sense as it can rely on considerable O&D market.
      There is a massive Armenian community in Greece, especially in Athens. Most of them live in the neighbourhood called Nea Philadelphia.

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    7. Aэrologic12:23

      In the order you mentionned and as far as i'm concerned - Saudi Arabia is the world's top oil exporter while Iran is the one with - again relatively - poor links to Europe. With only 2 weekly flights, it was hard for Aegean to expect miracles in RUH. The competition is high. Anyway, they are trying to think out of the box and i think that's a step in the right direction.

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    8. Anonymous16:00

      I throw in a trip report of mine from this week. Vienna- Sarajevo via Belgrade on Monday return on Wednsday. Vienna -Belgrade leg on 737-300, half full at best. ATR 72-600 to Sarajevo, some 55+ pax. On the way back to BGD full ATR and max 50 pax on the 737 to Vienna. The service was excellent as always on Air Serbia, pursers pretty and smiling. The new welcome music is much better.

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    9. Anonymous16:06

      ps. very long connection in Belgrade both ways, but the difference in price between this and Austrian direct flight is huge i.e. EUR 250 vs Eur 800, so much so that my company protocol doesnt allow me to take direct flight in this case. Pretty sure the Austrian price is robbery (and its always that expensive if you book 1-2 weeks before) while air serbia is currently Dumping the price.

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  14. UNOFFICIAL statistics for March 2015 ADRIA AIRWAYS

    4% more sceduled flights and 19% less charter flights
    15% more scheduled pax (72775) and 20% more charter pax

    56 pax per scheduled flight (up 10%) and 66 pax per charter flight up 48%

    Over all in first 3 months of 2015 Adria transfered 9% more pax on the same number of flights operated.

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    1. Anonymous15:22

      Thanks for the info. It would be good to know what is going on with yields. We all know last year Adria carried 10% more passengers but the revenue per passenger was 10% lower.

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  15. Anonymous14:32

    Linija GVA-BEG je imala 90% popunjenost, a karte su bile vise nego popularne sa cenama. Definitivno to nije razlog ukidanja linije. Mislim da odgovor treba traziti u Srbiji i poslovanju AS.
    AB takodje treba da revidira koje kompanije mu placaju takse, a kome se to oprasta.

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    1. Anonymous14:35

      LX route GVA-BEG had not experiencing so good LF, much better LF was on it's route ZRH-BEG.

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    2. Pera Kojot15:10

      What a stupid comment... if LF is good prices go up and vice versus. In case of GVA Air Serbia has nothing to do with it as it does not fly there, so they could not dump prices, they could not be part of war, etc.

      Seriously people think before you post your comments.

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    3. Purger15:53

      Several times I try to explain how Air Serbia has impact on routes where they are not direct competition and don't fly on them. Today:

      1. 400 km with highway or speed railway is not big problem for regular passengers. So, if passenger will have much cheaper price on BEG-ZRH route (ZRH-GVA is just 278 km) or BEG-MXP route (MXP-GVA is just 318 km) they will fly to there and then use railway or car to GVA. In Western Europe every airport in circle of 400 km is competition so to BEG-GVA route Air Serbia ZRH and MPX routes are competition.

      2. Leisure passengers, and those are huge amount of passengers today, will use routes that are cheap. So, if some Serbian yuppie decide to go somewhere he will try to see prices and if he can choose between expensive short break in Geneva or, because of extra cheep ticket with Air Serbia, very cheap short-break in Prague, Warsaw, Paris or Istanbul. What will he choose?

      3. Belly cargo in Air Serbia route to ZRH is for sure competition to belly cargo in Swiss route to GVA.

      4. All Swiss potential passengers between ZRH and GVA (and that is all Switzerland and part of Italy, France, Austria and Germany) will use cheap dumping Air Serbia ZRH flight instead of expensive Swiss GVA flight that have to pay full price in BEG unlike Air Serbia.

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    4. Anonymous16:05

      Ma za sve je kriva ASL i kriva je sto je TP otisao iz BEG. LX je 6 puta jaca od ASL sto se nije bolje pripremila.
      INN-NS

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    5. Anonymous16:15

      And again you are talking nonsense, 278 km means paying rent-a-car, paying gasoline and other taxes and probably one night more in hotel. It costs more company and you waste your time. ' hope Easy will stay.

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    6. Purger16:27

      Today rent'a'car is cheap if you know how to book them cheep. But rent'a'car is most expensive option. Much cheaper option is bus, train or if you have „someone“ to pick you on airport. And most of passengers have relatives, they are on business trip and have possibility car of your business partner pick you up, or they are residents of Switzerland and have their own car.

      I told you several times that just one in 10 of my flights are from ZAG, and others are from VIE, VCE, TRS, BTS, BUD, ZAD, SPU, RJK, PUY, BEG, GRZ, SZG, TSF… where I go with my car. So, why you thing it is not same for passengers from Switzerland?

      So you are talking nonsense or you don't have experience of travelling from Western Europe.?

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    7. Anonymous17:07

      You should try Basel then. But then you must blame Wizz Air. I am not that cheapo.

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    8. Anonymous17:27

      izvini purger, nije ni zeneva konacna destinacija mnogih putnika, vec lion, grenobl, pa cesto i bazel i slicno. to znaci da sigurno necu leteti do milana, pa onda placati voz do centralea ili bus, a potom neki voz do zeneve, pa onda lokalni prevoz do nekog sela u fra ili sui gde zive srbi ili svajcarski ili francuski turisti, poslovnjaci i ostali koji bi da posete beograd. studentarija putuje vizom iz bazela ili izijem iz zeneve, lete cesto i poslovni putnici, jer nemaju taj problem, ali sve je to mizerija od ukupnog broja. nijedna kompanija ne sece liniju koja je profitabilna. nijedna, posebno ne ona koja postoji godinu dana i puni 90% kapaciteta. dakle, mala je traznja za beg-om, iz tog dela evrope. gastosi ne l;ete cesto, jer moraju da rade, srbi nemaju para, i tako swiss ne moze da posluje kako je zamislio. nema mnogo poslovnih na liniji zeneva beograd. niti mi imamo neku saradnju sa tim delom svajcarske i francuske niti oni imaju nekakve firme i slicno u srbiji. izi je uveo liniju jer ima odlicnu konekciju sa ostatkom evrope iz beg-a. iz gva leti za par desetina evra do mnogih gradova u evropi. i onda nasa studentarija i oni bez male dece lete do lisabona, barselone, pariza, nice. beograd-pariz preko zeneve povratna je cesto oko 100e, a na asl-u je minimum 250e i to kad je promocija itd itd.. prosle sezone smo imali svaki drugi dan za rim 5 dnevnih letova. svi su bili pukli u jednom trenutku, a izi brze bolje pobegao. lh drzi ekstremno jaku cenu na liniji za muc, jer je mnogo nemaca koji lete, viseg srednjeg gastoskog staleza, kao i od putnika koji lete za druge kontinente, pa je onda cena do cikaga i sl povoljnija, ali sam minhen je uglavnom oko 300 evra. itd itd. ali ni tu viz nikako da uvede dodatne letove. izgleda da je dva nedeljno do fmm sasvim dovoljno vizu, s obzirom da su se mnoge povecavale kao npr got, mmx i slicne.. obrni okreni, slabo mi putujemo. nema se para. ko zna kolko je od ova 4.5 miliona prosle godine bilo transferista. ako ih je bilo 1.5 i 1mil poslovnih, ispada da iz srbije godisnje leti 2mil putnika. beeeedaaaa, hteli vi to da priznate sebi ili ne.. i norwegian se poslednje 3,4 god sve nesto muci: te arn, te cph, pa onda osl 1 nedeljno pa dva, pa nikako da mrdne dalje. NEMA TRAZNJE. a to puni letovi okacite macki o rep. zna se gde su puni letovi: svo, fra (uglavnom), zrh, cdg(uglavnom), i jos par gradova koje mozemo nabrojati na prste jedne ruke. Da se razumemo, veoma mi je zao, ali je tako. Nema tu mesta ljutnji ili dodatnoj filozofiji..

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    9. Anonymous17:46

      Purger ne sme ni da priviri u Norvesku koliko je tamo skupo.

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    10. Purger18:43

      Purger je bio u Norveškoj do sada 6 puta i to u Oslu, Kristiansandu, Bergenu, Magdalene fiordu na Spitzbergenu (80. paralela),Tromsu, North Capu, Longyearbyenu na Svalbardu, Alesundu, Geirangerfjordu. Purger je dva puta protputova svijet, bio na svim kontinentima i manje je u Zagrebu nego u inozemstvu. Na intervjuu za Radio Sljeme novinarka Sanja Šarunić me najavila da sam "na proputovanju kroz Zagreb" :-)

      Što se tiće nedostatka putnika, to nije bio predmet rasprave nego utjecaj Air Serbie na kompanije koje su otkazale, a kad se radi o linijama gdje ne leti Air Serbia. I naravno sve to ima utjecaja

      1. Slab broj putnika. To je još više arguement da će JU lakše "ubiti" liniju.

      2. Na to dodati dumping Air Serbie iz obližnjih gradova (a 300 km je danas ništa), pa ne samo da bi putnici iz ostalih gradova prije koristili JU iz ZRH nego LX iz GVA, ali zbog dumpinga čak i putnici iz GVA koriste JU linije iz ZRH.

      3. Jasno da ne završavaju svi putnici u GVA, ali realno i preko ZRH ima konekcija kao i preko GVA. Pa ako je povoljnije preko ZRH.

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    11. Anonymous19:51

      Iz kog razloga je obrisan moj komentar a komentari koji isnevaju mene i presednika i premijera ostaju to nije uredu.
      Ne mora niko da trpi svaki dan kako je ASL kriva za sve LX je 6 puta jaci pa sto se nije bolje poneo . Znaci ako AA ukine liniju u Americi kriva je ASL i zato.
      INN-NS

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    12. Anonymous19:52

      Iz kog razloga je obrisan moj komentar a komentari koji ismevaju mene i presednika i premijera ostaju to nije uredu.
      Ne mora niko da trpi svaki dan kako je ASL kriva za sve LX je 6 puta jaci pa sto se nije bolje poneo . Znaci ako AA ukine liniju u Americi kriva je ASL i zato.
      INN-NS

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    13. None of yours or anybody elses comments were deleted today.

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    14. Anonymous20:10

      Mozda je onda doslo do greske nisam stisnuo Publish.
      Izvinite jos jednom.
      INN-NS

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    15. Anonymous20:15

      Swiss carriers more passengers between BEG and ZRH and JU tends not to be that cheap on there.

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    16. Ne razumijem zašto se ljudi ovdje toliko ljute kada se koristi reč dumping vezana sa ASL cjenama. Za mene je dumping namjerna prodaja sa gubitkom. E sad dali ASL to radi niko od nas nežna jer ne znamo kakva je njihova struktura troškova. Ako poredimo sa Swiss i kažemo da su barem jeftiniji za tu aerodromsku taksu onda mi totalno ima smisla da tu uštedu prepuste putnicima i na taj probaju da počiste konkurenciju gdje god mogu, sve dok traje ovaj aranžman u kojem vlada Srbije koristi aerodrom da bi isplatila svoje prinadleznosti po pitanju ugovora sa Etihadom.

      Sa druge strane plate mogu biti značajan dio ukupnog troška i svi znamo da ASL u tom slučaju ima prednost u odnosu na bilo koju kompaniju

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  16. Anonymous16:42

    A bit of cheering up ;) :

    https://www.facebook.com/AvioKarte.PlayTravel/photos/a.201683963181612.67301.173490592667616/1073306096019390/?type=1&__mref=message_bubble

    I personally think that the livery would look pretty good!

    Cheers

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  17. Anonymous17:38

    @Purger
    Strasno me nervira kad krene neko da krivi jednu aviokompaniju jer je druga odustala od linije na kojoj obe lete.
    Kao prvo- u ovom slucaju ASL nije cak ni letela za Zenevu. Dakle moze svako da izmislja teorije kako je ASL kriva. Ja kao putnik, a verujem i mnogi drugi, bi pre platio 20-30 eura vise, nego se cimao na aerodromu da uzmem auro ili prelazim na voz samo zarad 20tak eura.
    Kao drugo- i da je ASL letela za GVA, sta je problem? Ako jedna kompanija odustane, ne znaci da je druga kriva. Po vasoj logici Air Serbia treba da popusta drugima ili sta? Kad 2 ili vise aviokompanije ratuju za jednu liniju, neka mora na kraju da pobedi. Evo trkaju se troje ljudi, i ovaj sto je pobedio je kriv jer ovo dvoje nisu mogli da pobede. Da je ASL recimo odustala od Ciriha, a Swiss ostao, onda ne bi krivili Swiss jer je pobedio ASL, zar ne? Ako sutra Lufthansa odustane od linije FRA-ZAG-FRA jer je CTN recimo imala vise uspeha, nije CTN kriva sto je pobedila bitku, nego su putnici jednostavno izabrali jedno umesto drugog.

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    1. Purger18:50

      Naravno da ne mislim da netko treba propustiti liniju. I naravno i ja bi za 20-30, pa i za 100 EUR više letio bez korištenja auta, busa, vlaka. No, bojim se da mi ovdje ne govorimo o razlici od samo 100 EUR.

      Ono što je ovdje činjenica je da Air Serbia svoj dumping temelji na subvencijama Srbije i na neplačanju troškova Aerodromu Beograd, što ostale kompanije nemaju kao privilegiju. I samim time nemaju isti položaj. Kao takve postaje nekonkurentne i prestaju letjeti jer nemogu biti profitabilne. To je činjenica. Jel to dobro ili ne za putnike i za Srbiju to tek treba vidjeti. Mogo bi sad napisati 20 stranica dobrih stvari, i 20 loših. No, to za sada nije predmet rasprave, nego samo konstatiranje činjenice da je tako.

      Ovo sa trkanjem nema nikakve veze sa ovom situacijom. Da je jedan trkač na dopingu i zato pobijedio e onda bi to bila dobra usporedba. Ili da jedan trči u tenisicama, a ostala dva bosi.

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    2. Anonymous21:10

      Ником није сметало када је Визер добијао сличне повластице и када су нарушавали конкурентност аеродрома.
      Онда смо сви били ок са тиме али сада као сви имају проблем.

      Притом, субвенције истичу 2016. године тако да је то сасвим ок.

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    3. Anonymous21:14

      I just checked some fares and Air Serbia charges €194 for a return flight from Belgrade to Zurich this May. I wouldn't call this price dumping, especially since the flight is only 01.20.

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    4. Anonymous22:22

      @9:10
      @9:14
      +1

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    5. Pera Kojot22:31

      JU is not dumping Switzerland for ages and it is more expensive then LX regularly.

      Purger, you have to be informed about this easy to check info. It discredits yourself when you make claims that are without ground (easy to check).

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    6. Anonymous22:44

      Purger,

      Klijenti koje savjetuješ, da li znaju da se tvoja stručnost sastoji od tvrdnje da kada jedan prijevoznik ne plača aerodromu, drugi prestaje biti profitabilan? Ako ne znaju za ovaj biser stručnosti, ja ti preporučam da se potrudiš da nikada ne saznaju. Ukoliko budu saznali posao bi ti mogao krenuti nadolje.

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    7. Purger00:01

      Ovaj posljedni komentar stvarno ne želim komentirati jer on je puno pre smješan da bi mogao biti predmet rasprave. On može biti samo predmet ismijavanja uz roštilj ili priče uz karte. Molim ljude koji ne mogu suspregnuti ovakve ispade da pronađu neki drugi blog možda onaj neki komičarski ili za malu djecu.

      Što se tiće cijena JU, ja ne pamtim kada sam JU kartu kupio po redovnoj cijeni. Uvijek su neke akcije petkom, subotom, nedjeljom, pa uz Valentinovo, pa one vikend akcije prodaje... konačno agencije stalno šalju neke akcije za Air Serbiju.

      Ja u 4. mjesecu nalazim redovnu cijenu od 160 EUR (LX 210), u 5. mjesecu 170 EUR (LX 220), a u top sezonu u 7. mjesecu 190 EUR (LX 240 EUR). Ako vi te cijene ne smatrate dumpingom onda stvarno svaka čast. Ja bi bio presretan da iz ZAG mogu letjeti za te cijene. Presretan. I može li LX uz takve cijene i plačanje svih dađbina aerodromu Beograd biti konkurentan. Naravno da ne može!!!

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    8. Anonymous00:39

      Ne verovatno koliko volis da izbegavas istinu, da nekazem nesto gore:
      APRIL:15.04-28.04, ASL- 162eur, LX- 178,58eur
      MAJ: 15.05-28.05, ASL- 162eur, LX- 160,58eur
      JUL: 07.07-17.07, ASL- 204eur, LX - 211.58eur

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    9. Anonymous01:13

      Ja ne znam sto mi moramo da trpimo ovo ispiranje mozga oko dumpingu .
      Kad AA ukine liniju u Americi ASL je kriva zbog dumpinga. Po vasem misljenju ASL ce moci da napuni A380 za USA zbog dumpinga hvala bogu.
      INN-NS

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    10. Anonymous01:44

      Purger is right but to certain extent.There is hardcore dumping from a number of routes other than BEG such as TLV and Warsaw, but at the same time some routes such as Beirut or even Istanbul lately are getting more expansive. So there is dumping, but much much less than before.

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    11. Anonymous06:21

      Purger,

      Ja bih te ipak zamolio da komentiraš kako točno linije drugih prijevoznika na BEG postaju neprofitabilne kada ASL ne plača aerodromu. Dakle, ti i ja pravimo čokoladu, svatko ima svoje kupce. U nekom trenutku ja dobijem mogučnost da ne plačam kakao svojem dobavljaču. Kako če to tebe učiniti neprofitabilnim?

      To nam pojasni, pa da vidimo kakav si konsultant.

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    12. Anonymous08:01

      Nisam Purger, ali teoretski ako jedna kompanija ima niži trošak (na primjer ne plaćanje usluga zračne luke) može raditi sa nulom ili zaradom sa nižim cijenama od konkurencije koja uz iste nivoe cijena gubi daleko veće novce - a ako digne cijene gubi putnike? Ako se ne varam, to bi bila nelojalna konkurencija - naravno ako je to slučaj sa JU, samo kažem teoretski.

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    13. Purger09:18

      Kompanija X ne plača aerodromske takse i time uštedi W novaca. Za toliko skine cijenu od pozitivne nule tj. cijena karte je 0-W

      Kompanija Y može zadržati svoje profitabilen cijene i raditi bar sa pozitivnom nulom = 0. Samim time ona neće biti konkurentna, tj. putnik će se odlučiti za kompaniju X koja je jeftinija za W (0-W).

      Kompanija Y može zadržati svoje cijene no tada će joj avion biti prazan i letjet će ispod minimalnog LF za profitabilnost leta tj. pozitivna nula sa tako nismim LF bi značila još veću cijenu karte po svakom putniku i još veću demotiviranost putnika da lete sa Y, tj. da motiviranost da se odluče za X.

      Da bi zadržala putnike kompanija Y mora spustiti cijenu na privilegiranu cijenu kompanije X (0-W) što znači da ima na svakom putniku gubitak od W.

      U oba slučaja kompanija je neprofitabilna na toj ruti i ima jedno od tri rješenja:
      - da pokuša na naki način smanjiti troškove leta (ovo nije moguće uzevši u obzir nisku cijenu rada u Srbiji, subvencije RS prema X, nisku cijenu goriva koju je RS isposlovala za X, a koju Y ne može imati u BEG, niz drugih privilegija koje X ima u BEG, zaštitu RS prema kompaniji X kao kod primjera Qatara kojim nije odobrena peta sloboda na legu SOF-BEG u nadi da će time smanjiti troškove)

      - pokušati dobiti privilegije W koje ima X na BEG i time izjednačiti cijene karata, no to je jasno da nije moguće

      - ukinuti neprofitabilan let

      Takve stvari se uče na prvoj godini faksa dok si još prištav i vrlo balav.

      I cijena karte Swissa za period koji Pedja navodi 15.4.-28.4. je 250 EUR, a ne 179 EUR. To je bar lako provjeriti odlaskom na stranicu Swissa.

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    14. Anonymous11:05

      Evo jos malo Swiss-ovih cena od 250eur!
      02.04 - 09.04 BEG-ZRH - 160,58eur
      04.04 - 12.04 BEG-ZRH - 160,58eur
      08.04 - 16.04 BEG-ZRH - 186,58eur
      20.04 - 29.04 BEG-ZRH - 160,58eur

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    15. Purger13:11

      Pedja malipulira podacima i stavio je iskljčivo par kombinacija koje su teoretski najpovoljnije.

      Air Serbia 160 EUR

      Swiss bilizu Air Serbiji (162, 178 i sl. EUR) u jako malom broju kombinacija
      Swiss u 4-5 kombinacija od 30 mogućih ima cijenu preko 300 EUR
      Swiss u 90% kombinacija ima cijenu preko 200 EUR
      Swiss ima prosječnu cijenu povratne karte od 220 EUR

      Ljudi će u gotovo svim slučajevima koristiti Air Serbiu radi povoljnijih cijena.

      BEG-ZRH
      12.4. ujotro 158 EUR
      popodne 199 EUR

      13.4. ujutro 199
      popodne 104

      14.4.
      ujutro 104
      popodne 81

      15.4. ujutro 104
      popodne 92

      16.4. 74 EUR

      17.4. 74 EUR

      18.4. 158 EUR

      ZRH-BEG
      22.4. ujutro 88 EUR
      popodne 88 EUR

      23.4. 106

      24.4. 118

      25.4. 106

      26.4. ujutro 95
      popodne 106

      27.4. 88

      28.4. 88

      Dakle teoretski možeš nabasati na kombinaciju datuma gdje češ putovati za 162 EUR. No, ako nemaš sreće onda češ platiti 317 EUR.

      Prosječno u tih 7 dana cijena je 220,73 EUR, što je 60 EUR više nego prosječna cijena Air Serbie na isto liniji. BEG-GVA ima još više cijene.

      Ne manipuliraj podacima i ne stavljaj samo izdvojene slučajeve koji su vrlo rijetki!!!!

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    16. Anonymous15:28

      Sve datume sam birao nasumice. Onaj ko manipulise si ti. Svi mogu proveriti, nismo im potrebni ni ti ni ja.

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    17. Anonymous15:37

      Naravno, ni ASL karte, kao ni SWISS -ove nisu zakucane, nego se krecu u dijapazonu od 160 do 403 eur. u zavisnosti od datuma leta, ali to naš analitičar ne primećuje.

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    18. Anonymous16:23

      Purger, svaka ti čast kako imaš vremena i živaca da i dalje objašnjavaš. Smatram da ovdašnja publika nije u stanju da prihvati realno stanje stvari u avio biznisu, koliko god pojednostavio stvari. Jedino što ćeš uspeti je dospeti do ad hominem napada. Medijska poddrška domaćem projektu je previše jaka, a ekspertiza pretanka da bi nešto bilo drugačije.

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    19. Anonymous17:09

      Jel si počeo opet sam sebi da pišeš postove podrške? ;)

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  18. Anonymous21:10

    It's worth mentioning that last night it was the first night flight to Tirana and with it the route was upgraded to daily flights.

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    1. Anonymous21:15

      It's also nice to see night flights to Athens return! Nights were awfully quiet in BEG this past winter.

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  19. Anonymous07:35

    Jel ovaj ti purger sto je ppre par godina napravio nerealno losu reportazu o aerodrome Beograd na nekom HR forumu? Meni je to bio jako los potez da ljudi iz HR se prestrase. Sve palo u vodu.

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