Etihad Airways is reviewing its strategy of investing in European airlines and is seeking an exit in a shake-up that could lead to the departure of group CEO James Hogan, company and industry sources told the Reuters news agency. Etihad saw a strategy to take equity stakes in carriers like Air Serbia, Air Berlin and Alitalia as a way to expand its European network but losses have mounted with Air Berlin and Alitalia failing to turn a profit. On the other hand, Air Serbia, in which Etihad holds a 49% stake, has posted two successive years of profit (2014 and 2015). Etihad announced on Sunday it was cutting jobs, with local rival Emirates following a day later in reviewing its workforce as overcapacity and a stronger dollar squeeze earnings.
Mr Hogan's expected departure could come within the next three months according to the German daily "Handelsblatt", which cited several sources as saying Etihad wanted to start unwinding its European investments in January. "It is our long-standing policy never to comment on rumour or speculation", Etihad said in a statement. Last week, the UAE carrier finalised a deal for Air Berlin, in which it owns a 29% stake, to lease 38 crewed planes to Lufthansa. It is also buying Air Berlin's Niki unit and placing it into a new leisure airline joint venture with tour operator TUI. The measures will halve Air Berlin's fleet, leaving it with just 75 planes focused on long haul flying from Berlin and Dusseldorf. Alitalia is considering job cuts and grounding planes, and Italian media have previously suggested that Lufthansa could become an investor in the struggling carrier, something that both have denied.
Etihad ownership stakes in other carriers (click to enlarge) |
Etihad and the Serbian government signed a five-year investment and management agreement in 2013 for Air Serbia. In an interview to the "N1" network this July, Mr Hogan indicated that Etihad's involvement in the Serbian carrier would continue past the initial five-year deal. "Air Serbia today is an integral part of our group. We entered this partnership for the long-term, we are not here for the short-term. But what is important is that we grow the business in a measured way. We want this business to be successful in the long-term, we want this business to continue its network coverage, we want to improve the depth of the network", Mr Hogan said at the time. Air Serbia handled over 2.55 million passengers so far this year, it's best since rebranding from Jat Airways three years ago. Furthermore, it recently announced plans for a step-change in business in 2017. Last week, at the Southeast Europe Aviation Summit, Mr Hogan said, "We are totally committed to the future of Air Serbia. While on the one hand there are some challenges, on the other there are huge opportunities". According to the head of the Etihad Aviation Group, the company is currently in talks to open a call centre in Serbia to service its European partners. Etihad is also reviewing MRO (Maintenance, Repair & Overhaul) opportunities in Serbia as well.
I don't think this will have an impact on their investment in Air Serbia because A) it is the only one that has had any sort of success since it was taken over B) it was political and not a financial investment
ReplyDeleteTi si pravi politiÄar :) a ne AS
Delete? You think they invested in Jat because they saw huge potential? I doubt it. They invested there because they were ordered to invest there and that's the reason I don't think they will be de-investing from it any time soon.
DeleteThey were succesful of receiving big subsidies from Serbia something that they couldn't get from Iraly and Germany for their airlines.
DeleteAko ti smatraÅ” da je nekoliko miliona dolara za emirate velika stvar onda nema Å”ta da ovde priÄamo. JAT je napravio veÄe gubitke nego Å”ta je država uložila u AS. Te pare koje je i dala za formiranje AS su ostale u Srbiji i omoguÄile su zapoÅ”ljavanje velikog broja mladih ljudi. Da politiÄari su to koji treba da pregovaraju o osnivanju nacionalne aviokompanije i svakako oni treba da naÄu te pare da bi se uopÅ”te pokrenuo tako jedan veliki projekat. Tebi izgleda sve smeta Å”ta je pozitivno i kreÄe se u dobrom smeru.
DeleteNekoliko milijuna nije problem, no oni su potroŔili puno puta po nekoliko milijuna i stavili firmu u egzistencijalne probleme. Sad je svakih par milijuna bitno. Kad se ima nije, kad se nema i te kako je.
DeleteKonaÄno ako je glavni gazda odluÄio da se miÄe iz Europskih akvizicija onda Äe to napraviti brzo, efikasno i sa cijelog tržiÅ”ta. ASL Äe tu biti kolateralna žrtva.
^ Ljudi koji misle da se milionski poslovi vode kao lokalna piljara... Niko se ne povlaÄi iz profitabilnog posla bez preke potrebe. I taj glavni gazda ima nekog mozga, nije se probudio jutros i reÅ”io da napusti Äitavo tržiÅ”te.
DeleteAll good things have to come to an end. Fairy tale seems to be over soon.
ReplyDeleteThank god SERBIA is not in the EU yet,concering the aviation part.
ReplyDeleteYes, better to stay isolated from everybody, make your own rules and think you are the best.
DeleteReally worked well with Yugoslavia...
I also think that being in EU is the major disadvantage for medium and small national legacy carriers.
DeleteThe rules favor big companies. If LH, AF, KL run into a major trouble, the rules will change, because their governments will intervene. We saw what happened with Swiss Air and Austrian and how Swiss gov (which plays by EU rules) and Austrian governments readily intervened, took over losses and invested hundreds of millions to sweet the deal for LH.
EU is based on the economic theory from the 1980s and the 1990s, that private is always better than state-owned. This may be true in many cases, but as we can see with Turkish, it is not an universal truth.
TK is most probably the worst example in recent history to state your opinion.
DeleteTK had to dismiss employees just because they didn't conform to the regime's political perpsectives and the entire company is currently facing severe financial troubles. So it would have been essentially better for them if they weren't dependend on the government's political interests.
I may also say that it is the worst dismissal of an argument you don't agree with in history. If we are already talking about history, according to your logic we should dismiss Egyptian, Greek or Roman civilizations because of bad decisions taken at the end that destroyed them?
DeleteWhen there is stability, open and friendly foreign policy, rule of law and a government that puts economic interests first, a state-owned company can prosper quite fine. These are conditions that exist in most EU states.
Similar conditions existed in Turkey until few years ago and Turkish prospered.
Turkish is a proof that state-owned company is not necessarily worse than private owned.
EU fails to recognize it for purely ideological reasons, to the detriment of EU medium and small national carriers.
If you think that the fact that governments can just put millions of EUR into state-owned airlines, is a positive for aviation, then I think you are mistaken.
DeleteThe goal should be that national carriers are self-sustaining (not neccesarily with huge profits), rather than just to be there for the pride of some politicans/citizens/countries, whatever the cost.
They cannot be self-sustaining if 4-5 Great Whites are ready to eat each and every one of them. Government support is the only response to that.
DeleteI just think that state ownership can be successful.
DeleteI think that the current EU basic assumption that private ownership is ALWAYS better is just not true.
States should be allowed to own and invest under the same conditions as private entities.
Under the current rules, if you are not big enough and your government is not rich and influential enough in Brussels, your national carrier will meet sooner or later the destiny of Malev.
please re-instate my comment. I wrote one word in capitals. It is not spam.
DeleteDone
Delete@Anonymous at 3:02 PM
Delete"States should be allowed to own and invest under the same conditions as private entities."
Država služi da zakonski reguliÅ”e tržiÅ”te i da omoguÄi svim uÄesnicima fer i ravnopravne uslove za tržiÅ”nu utakmicu.
Nije u redu da država svojim propisima reguliÅ”e tržiÅ”te i da se pojavljuje kao igraÄ u tržiÅ”noj utakmici. U tom sluÄaju nisu svi uÄesnici ravnopravni. Zamisli u fudbalu da je sudija koji sudi utakmicu istovremeno vlasnik domaÄeg tima. :)
Nije to loÅ”a priÄa za velike lige, kakva je SAD. U ligama kakva je EU, gde su pravila pisana da zaÅ”tite velike nacionalne kompanije, pravila su takva da država može da drži fudbalski klub i da se takmiÄi, ali ne sme nikako da kupuje igraÄe.
DeleteA sudija nije država, veÄ EU, koja propisuje i kontroliÅ”e pravila.
To sve naravno važi kada si mala ili srednja država i/ili siromaŔan.
DeleteMeÄutim...
Ako se ikada doÄe u situaciju da LH ili AF doÄu u Å”kripac, neÄe promptno iÄi u bankrot kao u SAD, veÄ Äe pravno-ekonomska gimanstika naÄi naÄin da ih poÅ”to-poto održi na tržiÅ”tu. Videli smo to veÄ sa Austrianom, Brussel, Swissair. PreuzmeÅ” dugove, napuniÅ” kompaniju keÅ”om poreskih obveznika, pa je onda pokloniÅ” Lufthanzi. Slobodno tržiÅ”te, nema Å”ta!
Ima i sluÄajeva kada je država sudija, npr. NemaÄka, koja može da priuÅ”ti da ignoriÅ”e Brisel.
DeleteDa li to Ŕto nije formalni vlasnik neŔto pomaže?
Pa ne baÅ”.
Vlasnici LH su velikim delom paradržavni fondovi. Kada država Äini sve da podrži Lufthansu kroz razvoj hubova i druge infrastrukture, a drzi na ledu BER vec deceniju, Å”ta je onda to?
Kasno shvatiÅ” da to Å”to si AB doveo do ivice provalije, neÄe LH mnogo pomoÄi poÅ”to si samo stvori rupu u koju promptno uleÄu Ryan i Easy. OsnivaÅ” navrat-nanos Eurowings da tu rupu nekako zaÄepiÅ”, ali shvataÅ” da to ne pomaže mnogo.
E onda dajeÅ” veÅ”taÄko disanje AB, preuzimaÅ” njihovu flotu... V
Veliko je pitanje da li Äe ti to pomoÄi.
Nažalost tako izgleda EU tržiŔna utakmica.
DeleteNe razumem ovaj deo oko BER? Pa to je uzasan blam i rupa u budzetu sto se ne otvara. Niko nije lud da ga ne otvara zarad neke trzisne taktike.
DeleteBas mi je zao sto se pisu zakve besmislice.
Vise o tom fejlu na ovom linku
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-07-23/how-berlin-s-futuristic-airport-became-a-6-billion-embarrassment
True that the EU competition rules are based on a liberal theory, but it does not favour private over state ownership, as a matter of fact EU law is neutral as to ownership model. State aid rules require that if there is a state intervention, it must at terms that would have been acceptable for a rational investor, creditor etc. - so called market economy operator principle. To this end, EU has developed guidelines for State aid which is acceptable to airlines and airports. So no, it is not absolute prohibition of State aid. But yes, the principe one time last time does apply so you cannot spend taxpayers money to subsidise failing businesses to the detriment of other competitors in the market.
DeleteAs I said months ago, Alitalia will be their biggest mistake. But let's say they leave JU which I highly doubt. The airline is in a much better position to get sold again now then it was 3 years ago during Jat era.
ReplyDeleteIs it?
Delete1. Operation and lot of departments are in Abu Dhabi. It is not easy to start with those in Belgrade again.
2. 10 A320neo has to be paid. Huge amount of money. Who will pay for this?
3. A330 cost huge amount of money and JFK route burns millions. They can not just cancel that deal (there are contracts, obligations, provisions...)
4. There are two credits that were taken as part of Etihad Group to be paid also.
5. If Etihad pull out, Serbia must pay 60 million loan (out of 100 million, 40 was investment and 60 loan). Even if Etihad decide that with no reason, and stop contract before deadline Serbia must pay this immediately.
You make it look like you made and/or signed that contract? Give me a break, please.
Deleteinteresting. someone with the knowledge of the situation and with proper analysis is dismissed since he knows too much. very high level communication we got going on here (btw i am not the author of the post that was dissed)
DeleteEveryone can read contract. It is huge read, but if you have time, you can see it by yourself. If you did not you should not discuss about it.
DeleteThere is also question of leased 11 planes (conditions, amount). In case of Etihad pull out this stays, contracts for leasing are fixed. So, are you sure Air Serbia will be capable to run company with 21 planes, pay leasing for 11 planes (A330 including), pay 2 credits, pay back 60 million Etihad loan?
If EY leaves JU, Serbian government can get Hogan to run Air Serbia :P
Delete@10:53 AM
Deletehahaa, good one
You say JU was dim witted enough to relocate departments to AUH??
DeleteIt wasn't JU's decision to make.
DeleteoÄigledno Äovek govori o sredstvima koje je etihad uzimao sa tržiÅ”ta novca i od kojih je deo zavrÅ”io u er srbiji,a ne o ulaganjima predviÄenim transakcionim ugovorom
Delete"two credits that were taken as part of Etihad Group to be paid also"
http://www.reuters.com/article/etihad-bonds-idUSL5N11M1IQ20150916
tako je...
DeleteOvaj momak Å”ta daje kao neke konkretne cifre je stvarno smeÅ”an. Po njemu izgleda da AS je veliki gubitnik i da sve to pokriva Etihad . Nemam reÄi za ove izmisljotine
DeleteHot Lane
DeleteIf you cant handle the truth refrain from commenting and embarrassing yourself.
Ne ne pokriva to Etihad, upravo suprotno. Pokriva Srbija, graÄani Srbije. A Etihad muze.
DeleteNo good reason for Etihad to divest from Air Serbia.
ReplyDeleteŃ Š°Ń Š°Ń Š°
DeleteAir Serbia is one of the best bets they msde.
DeleteThe best
DeleteHuge subsidies from the taxpayers. What's not to like?
DeleteNot really, most of taxpayers money went to cover old Jat debt. You are new here or just playing dumb?
DeleteLOL at 3:00PM
DeleteThe Serbian government has been putting money into Air Serbia until this year.
It also assumed responsibility for all the debts of JAT.
LOL @3:23 Most of the money they have been putting into Air Serbia since 2013 was for JAT debts.
DeleteOld debts + workers to leave 300 million (and then they bring several times more workers, so it was not about making business more efficient with less workers but to clean from those who are "not on route").
DeleteBut after that they invest 157 million.
So Etihad 40 million investment + 60 million loan
Serbia 157 million investment and subventions.
It is not true that any money after 2013 was debts. Just subventions and investments. Not a cent in debts.
Really, after more than three years you still try to spin those same lies and numbers, and of all places on this site where it has been repeatedly proven, year after year, to haters like you that those numbers were not true? You are beyond repair, you don't need the truth, just to be left alone and ignored.
DeleteYou are joking right?
DeleteDebts were put on Serbia in August 2013 and in end of 2013 (they find some more). 300 million.
But after that Serbia invest and subvent 157 million. In every decision they insist that those are not old debts but investment. Just they did not explain why they invest 57 million more. And why Etihad did not invest all 100 million, but 60 million out of that was credit to be paid back after Etihad pull out.
While I don't think they will leave JU this is important news, because it probably means they will be investing much less in any of their subsidiaries. So no money will be given for lease of new planes, service improvements etc.
ReplyDeleteSure, Air Serbia is their top priority. Not Alitalia, not Air Berlin, not Jet, not Darwin, but Air Serbia.
DeleteLuckily you are real.
Just a reminder, things like this have happened before: http://www.economist.com/node/705265
ReplyDeleteSound very familiar.
DeleteI don't get it to be honest. They are planning to deinvest yet they are creating another airline with TUI in Europe. Where is the logic?
ReplyDeleteEtihad divesting in either Alitalia or Air Berlin would bring both bad and good news to ASL.
ReplyDeleteBetween AUH and FCO, MXP, DUS, and TXL there are about 2 a330s each day. Some of that traffic would be redirected through BEG.
But ASL cooperates closely with both Alitalia and Air Berlin through codeshares, maintenance, training, etc. This might stop.
Only time will tell if this will be good or bad for ASL.
On that topic, notice that Air Serbia recently started inhouse pilot training for the A330 and A320 which were previously done with Alitalia and Air Berlin. Could be a good indicator...
Deletehttp://www.exyuaviation.com/2016/12/air-serbia-boosts-in-house-training.html
Given the uncertain situation at both AB and AZ, JU should be looking at rebuilding its strong ties with AF and KL. Transavia launching BEG flights is definitely not a good sign for JU.
DeleteAnyway, the ongoing crisis in EY shows that you can't buy success with petrodollars.
On the other hand you can damn well buy success with European bureaucrats who will tailor the legislation to fit your interests.
DeleteAnon 13.30
DeleteUnfortunately it's not only European Union bureaucrats that can be bought. ;)
Alitalia problems are due to its 51% non-Etihad stockholders. Etihad has inherited, not created bad situation.
DeleteIt is a bureaucratic creation, particularly 49/51% rule introduced to insulate LH, BA, KL and AF from non-European competition.
When Etihad attempts to invest, the majority owners refuse to follow, and EU bureaucrats declare that Etihad is not allowed to increase its ownership above 49%. Then they blame Etihad for not turning the company around! Go figure out!
If I were Etihad, I would just leave Alitalia and all the mess to Italian government.
Italy is a major EU economy, equal to UK, but it is a second rate political power. It allows to be pushed around by others.
You forget that if there was no 51/49 rule, EY could just put couple of aircraft in Serbia, Italy and Germany and compete with all the companies instead of buying 49% stake in them, much easier.
DeleteIn Alitalia they had 49% formal ownership just as in Air Serbia, but they have 100% control of management and governing the company. They absolutely control Alitalia as they control Air Serbia.
Deleteand yeas it is their fault, they don't have a clue how to make those bankrupt companies to profitability.
DeleteLot of talks but no results.
What a total nonsense. They can not have 100% of control of management because EU commission would intervene immediately and kick Etihad out of Alitalia.
DeleteThe 51% rule exists to keep the company under dominant EU control.
Serbia is not a part of EU, but it still had to prove that actual decisions for ASL were taken in Belgrade, with the dominant role of the Serbian government.
Your reasoning is colored by the very unfortunate Balkan philosophy "da susedu crkne krava". You wish to blame Etihad for the failure, because you wish same to happen to Air Serbia.
I would like nothing better then to see Air Serbia, Croatia Airlines, Adria Airways and Montenegro to succeed and to beat the non-ex-yu competition. To me it proves that people from this part of Europe are not less worthy or less smart or less successful than Germans, French or Turks.
Is that Belgrade Airport in the first image?
ReplyDeleteYes
DeleteThanks
Deletesuch a bad timing.
ReplyDeletefirst year that airserbia started paying taxes to BEG combined with losses from JFK route will amount to tens of millions euro losses. it will look awful in that review of investments etihad is mentioning when hogan is out.
then there are also matters of upcoming 2018 neo deliveries to be paid god knows from where and also 3 decades old boeings and atrs need some replacement and that will add to the cost of renting newer aircrafts.
also, the management contract is running out in 2018.
definitely not a good news and a grim prognosis for airserbia
Sto je babi milo, to joj se i snilo.
Delete:D
Utter catastrophe! You forgot to mention tbat it's gonna be the ear where even sky might fall on JU's head. Dread, despair and decline everywhere!
DeleteHa ha ha. Trolling, you gotta love it.
Negativno poslovanje Er Berlina i Alitalie povlaci sumnju u opstanak Etihad grupe. Ocigledno je da obe pomenute kompanije imaju veci broj zaposljenih i aviona u floti. Zbog ekonomske moci Lufthanse, Er Berlin i pored velikog ulozenog novca nije u stanju da opravda ulozeno. Alitalia je u slicnoj poziciji. Ali zbog nizih cena usluga od velikih operatera, kao i veceg broja zaposljenih...
ReplyDeleteSto se nase Er Srbije tice, ukoliko nastavi strogo ekonomsko upravljanje i proda jos 25% na berzi, nastavice uspesno opstajati na ovim trzistima gde dominira Lufthansa.
Za Gospodina Hogana smatram da ima dobre reference da dodje na celo druge najstarije komercijalne avio kompanije na svetu. Australijskog QANTAS AIRWAYS - a. Za samo tri godine, svetski priznata a u Australiji kao ikona postovana avio kompanija, slavi sto godina od svojeg formiranja na prostorima Kvinslenda.
Sa privatizacijom, ekonomicnoscu i efikasnoscu cvrsta je vera u uspeh baze komercijalne avijacije Srbije. Er Srbije, Aerodroma Nikole Tesle i Aerodroma Srbije na prvom mestu!.
Srecna dolazeca Nova 2017 Godina, i proslava Bozica ljudima koji ga slave po novom kalendaru.
Pa i meni mirni letovi izmedju Beograda i Sidneju, koji se penju na sedamdeset sesti put.
Rodney izmedju Kralkeva i Sidneja. +
Uvaženi gospodine MarinkoviÄ, jel Äete biti tako ljubazni da mi objasnite sledeÄe:
Delete"Zbog ekonomske moci Lufthanse, Er Berlin i pored velikog ulozenog novca nije u stanju da opravda ulozeno. Alitalia je u slicnoj poziciji"
Air Berlin ima Lufthansa kao moÄan konkurent na istom tržiÅ”tu. A koje je to isto za Alitaliju?
Postovani Anon 5:16 PM.
DeleteGlavni konkurent za Alitaliu jest njihova tradicionalna inkompetencija.
Preveliki broj zaposljenih u odnosu na broj sedista, Konkurencija nisko budzetnih avio kompanija. Rekonsilidacija Italjanskog avio prevoznika nije bila delotvornija zbog velikog otpora predstavnika zaposljenih u pregovorima sa Etihadom. I pored investicije od vise stotina miliona evra, nisu bili dovoljno delotvorni.
Meni je ocigledno da u vecem delu juzne Evrope odnos prema ekonomskom uspehu uglavno je okacen o "levi lakat"...
Oprostite na nacin ojajsnjenja...
Svako vam dobro.
Rodney & Son.
Kraljevo +.
A to Etihad nije znao kada je uŔao u Alitaliju? Tada nije bilo velike konkurencije LCC, prije Etihada nije se Ŕtrajkalo u Alitaliji?
DeleteEtihad je vrlo jednostavno uŔao u neŔto za Ŕto nije bio dovoljno sposoban. Prevelik zalogaj. MajuŔna kompanijica sa 120 aviona mislila je da može kontrolirati kompanije koje su imale preko 600 aviona.
Vi ste upuceni u okolnosti za razliku od mene. Ljudi kojima odgovornosti nisu na prvom mestu, jeste bankrot. Prodaja onome ko ima novca. Kada i to ne uspi, treci lek je novac od poreza drzave kompanije... Ipak devet avio kompanija nije kupilo Etihad. Ni ceo ni parcijalno
DeleteAli Etihad njih jeste... To jeste razlika. Sa druge strane velicina ne garantuje opstanak. Ne uvek. I dinosaurusi su bili krupni... Ponekada se gubi novac na ponekoj investiciji. Mnogo cesce neodgovorni ljudi propadaju, pa da i novac poreza uz politicare priskoci...
U svakom slucaju, krila Srbije imaju buducnost, u Boga i ljude se nadam.
Vama Anon 8:54 PM, ponovo iskreni pozdrav.
R. Marinkovic
Kraljevo - Sydney.
The departure of Mr. Hogan is a confirmed matter within Etihad. The Advisory Board will push for a new CEO as soon as January and EY will begin to divest from all its European bussines adventures (even for a loss!) and focus on a strategic partership with Lufthansa. Greetings from AUH!
ReplyDeleteIs it known who will replace Hogan?
DeleteI am not sure that EU Commission will allow EY/LH partnership. It stinks too much of monopoly.
DeleteAlso I think LH went to much in suppressing AB competition.
Subsequent delays in opening BER were an indirect political support to LH. It may sound good, but it is not healthy for German market at all.
But Hogan was removed from the leadership to a ceremonial position few months ago? These are not fresh news, let alone anything shocking.
DeleteBaumgartner took over Etihad CEO role from Hogan back in May.
DeleteYupp. But then Hogan was made to be Capo di tutti capi and Baumgartner was left to operationaly manage EY, while Hogan was in charge of the entire group, with all ceos reporting to him
DeleteBut that is a ceremonial role. It is a kind of honorable demotion.
DeleteAnd they just signed a CS with Montenegro Airlines according to Ex-Yu
ReplyDeletehttp://www.exyuaviation.com/2016/12/etihad-montenegro-airlines-ink-codeshare.html
BEG-IST today about 90% LF.
ReplyDeleteOn YU-ALP, to be fair.
DeleteYes, it was on YU-ALP which had a minor incident on landing in IST, i had no time to go into details.
DeleteInteresting times ahead. I hope Etihad finds a solution that does not affect Air Serbia.
ReplyDeleteRich daddy ran out of money, what do you think the spoiled child is gonna do?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, first thing would be cancelling JFK and returning the loss-generating chunk back immediately, even with a huge compensation. Secondly, network (and fleet) has to be consolidated, i expect this to happen after the summer season. Both operations and fleet could shrink anywhere between 10-30%, followed by job cuts. These can make the company survive 2-3 more years, until 2020 maybe, before it goes bankrupt (and this is not the worst case scenario considering JU does not have administrative units, support units as well as access to finance).
If the government can manage the process JU can turn to the new Adria, if not it'll share the same end as B&H.
I guess we have a reply to how many unsubstantiated guesses one can put in a paragraph.
Delete@12.01 it would be like all your Christmases come at once but unfortunately for you it won't go that way.
DeleteBeiging, Chicago and Canada flights are just about the corner!
DeleteBeignets? No, they don't plan to start MSY. PEK will be on Air China or similar, and ORD/YYZ are not far behind. Sorry to rain on your Christmas (25th) parade.
DeleteOT Two last JU501 JFK-BEG have come to Belgrade 100% full.
ReplyDeletewell its Christmas time and holiday season started in the USA. Time to travel. When if not now would the planes be full. We are talking about capacity of 254 seats- a larger 321 ;)
Deletetheres no larger and will never be larger 321 ;)))
Delete& AŃrologicDecember 21, 2016 at 11:52 AM
ReplyDeleteBEG-IST today about 90% LF.
LF on today's JU552 BEG-IST is 80%, but ATR is operating instead of A319. Air Serbia cancelled 10 flights JU552/3 in October, 7 flights in November and 4 in December due to low bookings. Moreover, during last three months more than 20 JU552/3 were performed with ATR instead of 319. Despite all implemented measures LF is constantly below 50% on flights to IST.
Have you read the news recently?
DeleteAny info on TK's loads?
DeleteIf the loads were that bad i'd send the Atr myself, better to have 55 pax on the ATR than on the A319/A320.
DeleteAnon@12:36PM - The flight was supposed to be completely full last night with only one place vacant, at the gate it was 55/66, i hastily translated it into 'around 90%'.
@AŃrologicDecember 21, 2016 at 9:12 PM
Delete55/66 is 83%; so it is not around 90%. By the way, there was 50 passengers on board.
"The flight was supposed to be completely full last night with only one place vacant" - sorry, but not true at all according to Air Serbia. Please don't fabricate things.
Will you please shut up? If 83 isn't close to 90% on such a small scale then you'll need to check your basic maths. There were also non-rev pax + technician. Anyway, i don't know what's the point you're trying to make here, the flight had a good load relative to the equipment, there's nothing more to it.
DeleteBut there was 50 not 55 pax, so it is 76%, far away from 90%, isn't it?
DeleteOcigledno je da nazalost ima dosta zluradih komentatora kojima je ova vest donela osmeh na lice nadajuci se da je to pocetak kraja srpskog avio prevoznika.
ReplyDeleteKao sto je neko danas vec pomenuo ulazak Etihada u JU je bila politicka odluka i da ironija bude veca ispalo da se ta takva odluka pokazala opravdanijom od drugih "ekonomskih" odluka kao na primer da se kupi 49% u AZ.
Centrala Etihada je pominjala "evropske investicije" gde se po svojoj velicini ali i po nakupljenom dugu naravno izdvajaju AB i AZ dok se o investicijama u Aziji (Jet Airways i Air Seychelles) uglavnom cuti jer njihov problem nije toliko veliki.
U ovom slucaju je Air Serbia "na tapetu" samo iz razloga jer je locirana u Evropi a ne zbog njenih losih poslovnih rezultata. Da AZ i AB ostvaruju rezultate kao JU ovakva tema se nikad ne bi ni pominjala.
Dakle, JU nema razloga da bude napustena od EY pogotovo sto JU moze posluziti kao primer u Evropi da EY investicija itekako moze uspeti ukoliko se njihova pravila striktno postuju.
could LH be hot candidate to buy JU for little money ??
ReplyDeleteStrategically OU and JP make more sense feeder-wise because they will have the rights to fly FRA/MUC - BEG/SKP/SJJ/PGD/PRN and so on and on
OT: EW (Eurowings) to start Zadar/Pula/Split and Dubrovnik flight from Munich (MUC) from March 2017.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately Split is not a MUC destination, only via DTM
DeletePUY/ZAD 3pw
DBV 2pw
all flights ops by Air Berlin!
DeleteThose are truly bad news for Air Serbia.
ReplyDeleteAlitalia about to go bust! (unfortunately only in german)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.austrianaviation.net/detail/montezemolo-alitalia-in-akuter-konkursgefahr/
Clanak kaze da problem nije do Etihada, koji bi rado ulozio, vec do preostalih vlasnika 51% koji ne zele da prate eventualno Etihadovo ulaganje. Etihadu su vezane ruke prakticno, posto ne sme da predje 49% vlasnistva.
DeleteJeste, vezane ruke. To Ŕto kontroliŔe kompaniju 100% nema veze. Važno je Ŕto piŔe na hartiji. Ma de...
DeleteObeÄavali Äudesa, ostvarili niÅ”ta.
Ne kontroliŔu kompaniju 100%, to je apsolutna izmiŔljotina. Da to tako može, niko živi ne bi kupovao viŔe od 49% bilo koje kompanije. Tako neŔto može da kaže neko ko je zlonameran ili nema veze sa propisima i praksom EU.
DeleteI to sam Älanak priznaje, mada ni malo nije naklonjen Etihadu.
Drugo, taman da ima 100% kontrole, a nema, na koju foru može da za dve godine pretvori gigantsku kompaniju koja decenijama stvara gubitke u totalni uspeh?
Koliko smo Äekali da Austrian "proradi" nakon Å”to je uz stotine miliona miraza bez duga poklonjen Lufthanzi? A Swiss?
Pa kako to za nekoga imamo gomilu strpljenja i beskrajno razumevanje i izgovora, a za drugoga kompletno druge arŔine?
I niko nije obeÄavao nikakva Äudesa, to je joÅ” jedna namerna i nepoÅ”tena izmiÅ”ljotina.
Pa Å”to je onda Etihad stalno ponavljao da Äe da okrene te kompanije i uÄini ih profitabilnim? To su Hoganove izjave, ne moje. A bogami nadavo se on izjava u medijima o super buduÄnosti Air Berlina, o tome kako Äe Alitalija da bude 2016. profitabilna...
DeleteA ovo sa 100% kontrole Å”to ne može da bude? A jel? Hrvatska je u EU i tamo se vodi spor veÄ godinama radi MOL-a koji kontroliÅ”e INU, a kupio je samo 25% udela.
Ne treba daleko da se gleda. Air Serbia je najbolji primer. Ne smeju u Beogradu ni oglas da objave da im to ne odobri ured iz Abu Dabija. ViÅ”e ni osnovne stvari ne odluÄuju u Beogradu nego se kompanija vodi iz Abu Dabija. Operacije, marketing, red letenja... sve iz Abu Dabija. 5 glavnih menaÄera je iz Etihada, na plati Etihada, nisu uposlenici Air Serbije. Pa ako ne uspeju u Air Serbiji i ovde Äe da kažu da nisu imali nego 49 odsto?
Pa ti ih prijavi EU komisiji sa tim podacima. Ako su tacni, nadljali su.
DeleteMada je Evropska komisija vec uradila istragu i utvrdila da to sto pricas nije tacno.
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ReplyDeleteThis news is a BOMSHELL. German media (Spiegel online) reports today that ALL of Etihad european involvment is at stake and that Hogan is likely to leave very soon. It is very unlikely that ASL will be exempted from a global trategy change at Etihad. Now I understand WHY the serbian government looks badly for a concession of BEG airport! Without ASL the airport is almost worthless taking into account the mass of work that needs to be done/invested. I now also understand why Aviolet was etsablished. A former JAT captain told me, that if Etihad divests, the name ASL is gone and so are all aircraft EXCEPT the Aviolet B737-300...... So 2017 a small new national carrier called Aviolet with a couple of B737-300?
ReplyDeleteObavezno.Kakva 17 ko ce cekat 10 dana sutra odmah se raspadaju.
Deletehttp://www.fvw.de/
DeleteAlitalia bancruptcy is almost immediate if they cannot scrumble 180 million Euros befored NY!
With all respect it seems they are nothing but guessing as nobody at this moment has relaiable information what will happen.
DeleteI have read article in Spiegel online and they are only repeating the news that was published from many other sources. They do also mention Air Serbia (as it is a member of Etihad group), but they do not provide any single argument. They simply follow the logic "it is European air carrier belonging to Etihad group" so the conclusion comes by itself.
I am not saying it is not the scenario it might happen, but regarding to Air Serbia they are nothing but guessing.
Former JAT captain, former JAT CEO as "advisors"... we have seen how wrong some of the "has-beens" statements and interviews were.
DeleteIn an unlikely event Etihad does pull out, keep in mind that majority owner of Air Serbia had contingency plans in place for a while in case Etihad doesn't extend the contract. They have been talking about it (Mali for T6 etc), and it looks in line with management succession planning at any global enterprise. Majority owner is commited to keep the lights on at JU one way or another.
@AirCEO
Delete"Majority owner is commited to keep the lights on at JU one way or another"
Translation from English into Balkan:
We will use the peoples mney to contonue funding our prestige political project.
As it is written a few posts above:
"If Etihad pulls out, Serbia must pay 60 million loan (out of 100 million, 40 was investment and 60 loan). Even if Etihad decides for whatever reason and stops contract before deadline Serbia must pay this immediately".
@Nebojsa: Your expectation is not different than thinking "Dinar will not be affected by FED's rate hike decision, because Serbia's name is not mentioned".
Delete@Anonymous 3:38
DeleteComparision is not the appropriate one.
Quote from "Spiegel online"
"Ćhnlich schlecht liefen die Beteiligungen an Air Serbia und Alitalia."
End of quote
This is the only place where JU was mentioned in negative meaning, but even that sentence is not truthful as EY investment in Air Serbia is not bad at all and surely cannot be compared to AZ.
Don't forget it is German newspaper and that they are actually celebrating EY losing AB.
In next couple of days / weeks we shall surely have more details.
Etihad is a minority stakeholder in AB, with less than a third stocks.
DeleteI fail to gasp why they are blamed for everything.
Etihad does everything it can to help. The problem is with other stakeholders and with the German state, which would like to keep AB alive and Etihad from gaining more influence.
@Keep it real
Delete"If Etihad pulls out, Serbia must pay 60 million loan"
It's unlikely, but if they pull out there are two options: loan payout to EY gets you rebuilt and well run airline, thousands of direct and indirect jobs, healthy revenue (JU is top10 exporter in Serbia), complete freedom to make new deals and alliances, access to increased profits from BEG etc. Option 2: shutdown JU and lose all of the above plus lose all of money invested since 2013 to clear old Jat debt.
Choice is clear. Bottom line is JU will continue to fly.
Svi cemo mi pod Nemacku cizmu opet. Bar sto se tice avijacije.
ReplyDeleteKroz 10 godina, gledacemo Evropu sa 2-3 velika prevoznika, a kada uvru ostali igraci srednje velicine, videcemo kako ce proci Wizz, Ryan i ostali
A kod Nemaca uvek lepo. Strakjuju dve nedelje, naprave tonu gubitaka, kukaju kako ih ubise low cost carriers, ali na kraju se naprave knjige da prikazuju uspeh i enormne profite.
DeleteE da je Ryanairu toliki politicki uticaj u Berlinu i Briselu, gde bi tek oni bili sa "uspesima".
Well, I do not need to guess to know that it's hard times for ASL coming. Etihad is supposed to pull the plug by year end. The new managament is set up for early January. It is clear that the serbian government will not be able to pump such sums into ASL to keep it afloat as per Etihad former strategy. For instance it was just announced that Niki will be stopping flight VIE-AUH. Further I do not think that LH or any other major carrier is interested to take over ASL, taking into account that "dirty deals" in the background that make it look better as they are. Suddenly, I think that OU with a brand new terminal could be much more interesting for LH group as regional hub. JP, YM and ASL face a very grim future. If the the serbian government is lucky, they will find a local "biznismen" to run Aviolet with couple of 737-300 for a while.
ReplyDeleteYep bright future ahead for an airline selling Heathrow slots to pay to repair a couple of engines
DeleteBrussels Airlines was completely run down when overtaken by LH. Now Brussels Airlines is properly managed and expanding. Important is that LH Group sees potential. I think hat OU with new ZAG terminal and geo(political) position has now good chances!
DeleteAt this stage everything is guessing and especially your claims about "plug pulling".
DeleteLet's not forget it all started with news from Handelsblatt and that they are of course concentrated the mostly on European market due to Lufthansa major presence here.
It is interesting EY investment to Jet Airways has not been mentioned anywhere despite that company had continious losses in 2013, 2014 and 2015 (years when EY was present in Jet Airways) and turned out to be profitable first time in this year after 8 years of money burning.
It would be logical EY to withdraw from companies which made huge debts no matter where they are located, but as mentioned above Europe is the most important for Germans as it is LH playground so therefore we have these not very precise news.
iznenadjeni, nemojte molim vas !
ReplyDeleteIf Etihad ends its partnership with Air Serbia, you would think that the knowledge and experience gained would continue to benefit the airline. But if politics gets in the way and major changes are made with management than anything could happen.
ReplyDeleteI also think Long haul will continue with the support of the current Serbian government.
Definitely an interesting year ahead for Air Serbia.
Just to make it clear. LH is now partnering Etihad. They even intend to integrate most or even all A330 from Air Berlin. They got the "green light" from german government in order to save AB from going bust in the election year 2017. Ring a bell? LH-EY wide partnership is sealed. This is a change of paradigm. You bet the first thing ASL is gonna drop is JFK! Everybody please understand: politics are driving economics and not the other way round. Merkel has enough problems, she doesn't want thousand of employees and some 500000 passengers of AB stranded in an election year. That's why LH is allowed to "save" AB. ASL is going to be collateral damage. I think OU will be sooner or later intergrated into Eurowings, maybe the remains of JP. YM and ASL heaven knows?! But for sure LH is not giving up on the Balkans.
ReplyDeleteIf it was up to EY, BEG-JFK would have never happened. It was a political decision.
DeleteI fail to follow your argument how this all would negatively affect Air Serbia.
DeleteAir Serbia is not in EU. It is a different story altogether.
I think the time has come for the airlines in the UAE - meaning the Government, to realize that multiple operators in each Emirate is not realistic and to consolidate them into a single, solid flag carrier as is the case in most countries, perhaps with dual hubs at AUH and DXB.
ReplyDeleteBy uniting Etihad and Emirates and probably swallowing up flydubai, Air Arabia could remain the LCC of the state - it is the only one profitable (flydubai is not) and it can cover those low yielding markets beyond the reach of the legacy Etihad-Emirates product which could be streamlined, more focused, less grandiose and more robust to face the economic challenges that are and will be.
The dream of shooting the A380 to every village of the globe was doomed from the start IMHO, and replicating Qualiflyer was a disaster in waiting.
2017 will be a very painful year for Middle East aviation, we will probably see some spectacular failures and disappearance of a number of carriers while consolidation will prevail elsewhere.
JU and Serbian Govt should be worried that they will likely lose a strategic partner at a very delicate time of the airline's existence and not due to its own fault. I hope that contingency plans are well rehearsed... as for YM, this news could not have come at a worse possible time.
+100 for the Middle Eastern part, the bubble will very soon explode especially with EK. How on Earth will they be able to continuously fill triple 777´s and 380´s?!
DeleteI praise AF/KL for acting very smartly, a very good example of how they adapted their model and created Transavia, same with LH - its divisions were a good idea and well, EW is still struggling but not in a tragic situation.
Middle Eastern carriers´ days will soon be gone and the planes just abandoned in the desert.
AF makes losses. Even with this cheap oil prices. Nothing to praise there.
DeleteI told you before and kept repeating it so many times, having a boutique European airline is very expensive - those days are gone especially with the fierce competition and LCC.
ReplyDeleteEY model had no base, they tried to make Tegel and Fiumicino hubs and Nikola Tesla a regional one. Feed them with Switzerland (EY regional) selling Niki. What a mess! In the most likely scenario, JU will still remain part of EY but no further expansion. I am also glad that incompetent Hogan has gone!
ZnaÅ” kako se kaže: I Äorava koka zrno ubode. Tako i proroci propasti. Kad tad se desi neÅ”to negativno i oni odmah skoÄe: je l sam vam rekao!
DeleteSamo pitanje da li je to Å”to je ubola ovog puta zrno ili joÅ” jedan traÄ od koga neÄe biti na kraju niÅ”ta.
Oh, molim te. Ja sam samo bio realan.
ReplyDeleteFirst, EY will remain partner of JU if Serbian government offer lucrative incentives to UAE, and that's likely to happen.
ReplyDeleteSecond, it was newer published that Hogan started his career as station manager in JAT Australia. Therefore he was very emotionally involved with and truly looked after growth of JU under EY's umbrella. His largest mistake was KondiÄ who's only attribute at the time was his Serbian origin and Australian passport. Over three and a half years KondiÄ managed to create a schizophrenic atmosphere in the company and to derogate suppliers and other companies JU is working with. Hopefully, KondiÄ will step down with Hogan.
Third, whoever suvceeds Hogan will try to keep JU as small but important gate to the European territory. I don't expect surrender of Balkans to LH just like that.
Fourth, the consolidation of UAE market by merger of EY with ek is not likely bearing in mind political circumstances in the country. It would be possible only if Abu Dhabi would get the main role, which is unlikely.
Fifth, it's obvious that ju is facing tough period. As soon as they get rid OK KondiÄ, chances are higher for the better outcome.
'Fourth, the consolidation of UAE market by merger of EY with ek is not likely bearing in mind political circumstances in the country.'
DeleteDubai is again entering a recession. I don't think it will be asked much. Abu Dhabi bailed it our the last time - and guess what, it become the owner of the holding company that own Emirates and dnata!
With both airlines not fairing well, I think ego and politics will take a back seat... heck even the tallest building in Dubai is called Burj Khalifa...
@Anon at 8:19 Other than hate for Kondic you don't bring much to the table. It's not all rosy elsewhere, how come you don't know it? Not enough experience?
DeleteAnon @ 8:57
DeleteMust be you are fan of KondiÄ, or you are from his communication department. But it is known all over JU what were his major contributions to the company. He was very good in creating animosity towards JU. It's well known in Serbian government as well.
Poruke Å”to ovde piÅ”u neke komÅ”ije kako mrze JU, ili ljudi Å”to navijaju za Wizz, to po tebi sve liÄno piÅ”e KondiÄ da bi stvorio animozitet prema JU? Hvala za informaciju nisam znao.
DeleteGood ridden to bad rubbish, Hogan,Kondic, and the rest.Ljubica
ReplyDeleteYou must have been one of those ex-JAT people that were told to find something new in life to do 3 years ago ... still haven't found anything yet ?
DeleteWhy they ask those 600 people to leave, and spent millions of our money for that, and then they give jobs to 1.400 new workers. So it was not to try to make company more efficient, to cut costs, but it was to remove "nepodobne" and put "podobne" instead. On huge cost of tax payers.
DeleteWhat are you talking about ? It was 300, not 600. In any event, those 300 who were told to leave, were for many years a burden on the taxpayer, collecting a pay cheque and doing nothing. Etihad did the taxpayer a huge favour by getting rid of those people. They weren't "nepodobne", rather, they were "neradnici". Just get on with your life. I'm amazed that after 3 years, you are still unable to do so...
DeleteAhahahahaha,good job ASL PR.:-)
DeleteNebi se trebao EY povuci iz ASL sa kojom je imao dosta uspeha i svakako im je to najbolja evrospka kompanija.
ReplyDeleteA takodje ASL ima jos dosta potencijala i ne mora da znaci da je istina sto pisu novine .
INN-NS
..."The airline is now planning to roll back its European investments, which include a 29 per cent stake in Air Berlin bought in 2011, a 49 per cent stake in Air Serbia acquired in 2013 and a 49 per cent stake in Alitalia"... http://gulfbusiness.com/abu-dhabis-etihad-dismiss-group-ceo-james-hogan/
DeleteThey are simply stating which investments have been made in Europe, the article doesn't state that all three stakes will be abandoned.
DeleteAlthough I do understand why you wish for it to happen so hard.
OT: It has begun! Lufthansa strikes back :)
ReplyDeletehttp://www.aviatica.rs/lufthansa-group-integrise-ceo-brussels-airlines-u-eurowings/
This piece of news is several days old.
DeleteHorrible news for Brussels though.
This doesn't necessarily have to mean that Hogan's successor will withdraw from ASL as well. Air Serbia has been quite a successful enterprise. Nor does this have to spell disaster for ASL whatever happens. We'll see. At any rate, the next couple of years shall be very interesting. And now OU has to consolidate its strategy and immediately jump at a potential opportunity. The same goes for ZAG as the regional hub, which was/is/has been the AĆ©roports de Paris plan all along. May the best competitor win!
ReplyDeleteOU has no resources to jump at anything.
DeleteIf they get the strategy right, they can take out a loan.
DeleteI think some are getting ahead of themselves. It doesn't mean they are giving up on their business plan, it just means that they will evaluate it once again and see if it made sense.
ReplyDeleteJust because they are going to try and sell some of their business ventures doesn't mean they will find a buyer for them. Who in his right mind would buy AZ?
AB is a different story because LH is a scavenger and is taking over bits and pieces it likes. Airlines like Air Seychelles, Jet and Air Serbia are safe in my opinion. It doesn't mean they are perfect but in comparison to AB or AZ they are light years ahead.
This could also be a trick they are playing on AZ and AB investors who are making their life hard.
Anyway, interesting times ahead, that's for sure. I hope that now when EY and LH have signed a code-share agreement JU will do the same with OS.
Austrian Airlines needs a 10.00 departure to BEG to offer convenient connections from North America. Air Serbia's flight departs at 09.25 so it's a perfect fit.
If JU signs a codeshare with OS, the prices on BEG-VIE will skyrocket even further. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
DeleteWell, the only time when fares between BEG and VIE were low was when Niki was flying to Belgrade. The moment they suspended flights fares doubled.
DeleteThe only way we might see some competition on this route is if Wizz Air launches BEG-BTS.
Good move EY. Investing in all those loss making airlines was not a smart strategy especially given the financial strength of EK and QR. At least QR invests in commercially and financially strong airlines rather than loss making airlines
ReplyDeleteThere is still not a "move". Only hopes "da komsiji crkne krava"
ReplyDelete+1000
DeleteZa sve one koji navijaju za njemacku i lufthansu samo znajte da ce oni sve nas da cizmom zgaze. Ljepa nasa polako postaje ljepa njohova. Josip
ReplyDeletekids, this is capitalism. If main business is at stake, owners of the capital will not hesitate to kill all other investments, which are not MAKING profit, not only money. Oil is at historical low, Gulf airlines have huge debt due to new planes shopping frenzy and now they stand at the abyss. Be sure, if killing AS is going to ease the pressure, they are going to kill it. It is unfortunate, but this happens when state sells national airline. Just have a look at IT industry, when companies are in trouble, they axe work force by thousands...
ReplyDeleteAnd it's happened - Hogan is out. 2017 is going to be interesting. I'm guessing EY will concentrate all their efforts and finances on their own carrier and try to shield from the behemoths of EK and QR.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's happened - as supposed nobody mentioned Air Serbia. It remains by EY.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.aerotelegraph.com/wird-etihad-grossaktionaer-von-lufthansa
Thanks for the link!
DeleteKadrovi Etihada odlaze iz Air Srbije i to je jasan znak da se Etihad povlaci .
ReplyDeleteAny link?
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