Air Serbia’s CEO, Jiri Marek, has said the carrier is considering the introduction of one or two destinations in the United States. It has already been widely reported, and confirmed, that the airline’s next destination in the US will be Miami, which is expected to launch sometime next year, however, it marks the first time a fourth point in the country has been mentioned. According to the CEO, in a statement to “Aviation Week”, the two destinations being assessed have a strong Serbian diaspora. Based on indirect traffic flow out of Belgrade, the busiest unserved routes in the United States are Los Angeles, Miami, Washington DC, Boston, and San Francisco.
Air Serbia currently serves New York and Chicago in the US. “Demand on the Chicago route launched in May 2023 has been softer during the winter months, but improvements can be made so it remains a year-round destination”, Mr Marek said. The Serbian carrier handled over 40.000 passengers on its Chicago service during its first year of operations. On the other hand, the airline handled a record number of travellers on its New York route in 2023, welcoming 87.723 travellers onboard, an improvement of 18.2% on the previous year, despite the launch of the Chicago service. Air Serbia has said it will be one of the first airlines to move into the new Terminal One at JFK Airport in 2026.
Air Serbia inked a codeshare partnership with jetBlue last year, with New York JFK and Boston being its two largest bases. Air Serbia plans to take delivery of two Airbus A330-200 aircraft this year, doubling the size of its long-haul fleet. Despite interest in further growing its US operations, the airline has said expansion in China remains a priority, with services to Shanghai and Guangzhou to be launched this year. “China is a nice counterbalance to the North Atlantic. It’s such a big market and there obviously a big opportunity to grow, perhaps not in the number of destinations, but in densifying the frequencies”, Mr Marek said.
Which one could they be talking about?
ReplyDeleteMaybe Atlanta.
DeleteWhy Atlanta?
DeleteDelta hates ASL.
DeleteAnd Delta tried to block their flights to the US because they said that EY was really flying the route
DeleteI think they tried to block the EY/JU codeshare, not the flights.
DeleteDelta did not try to block Air Serbia flights to US. In fact, no one had any objections to Air Serbia's permit request. In 2014 Delta did oppose JU/EY codeshare to the US and it had nothing to do with JU. It was aimed against Etihad as at the time US big 3 were in a public war with Gulf big 3. Now they are all partners.
DeleteWho are partners? The US carriers still don't trust the ME3.
DeleteOf course they trust ME3. There are no more attempts to block ME3 in the US, no more unions crying about them. United now has a strong partnership with Emirates. They have a huge codeshare agreement and United has launched flights to Dubai and they are exclusively allowed to use the Emirates Terminal 3 which is normally reserved only for Emirates. American Airlines now has a strong partnership with Qatar Airways. Both have a big codeshare agreement and American Airlines now flies to Doha. ME3 airlines are adding new routes to the US without issue.
DeleteLAX or Washington - I hope they get A339 or A350 soon!
ReplyDeleteA338 would be a great option for Air Serbia in the future. Newer generation aircraft and would open up new routes. And it's an aircraft type that crew is already familiar with
DeleteIsn't Washington too close to New York?
DeleteA339 or the A338 are the best for AirSERBIA.
DeleteTwo A339 will be on the market soon as Air Belgium is getting rid of them
DeleteLAX is my bet and the smartest move. It can be served with the A330-200. A338 is not very popular. Only 7 built with 3 customers (Kuwait Airways, Uganda Airlines and Air Greenland). A330-900 is a lot more versatile and could more passengers and freight.
DeleteCan a fully loaded A332 make it from BEG to LAX?
DeleteAccording to manufacturer specs, yes. Range is 13,450 km and BEG-LAX is 10341 km. Qantas flies them from Brisbane to LAX which is 11525km with minimal payload impact.
DeleteThanks. Then I agree, it ia most likwly LAX.
DeleteHow long would BEG-LAX flight last?
DeleteI have some stats from the time ASL flew them during COVID. It was a repatriation flight for US citizens in Serbia. Will find and post.
DeleteSorry I can't find stats but there is a link to the article https://simpleflying.com/air-serbia-a330-belgrade-los-angeles-lax-rescue-flight/
DeleteRange of 332 with max passengers and reserves at 230t MTOW 11,850km (6400nm)
Delete330-200 can make. Problem will be strong winter headwinds that can make it struggle with full passenger and cargo payload. Sweet spot for 330-200 is about 4500Nm
DeleteI just was watching some Condor A330-900 reviews to the US and the aircraft inside looks fantastic inside and it is a lot cheaper and quicker to acquire than an A350
DeleteJU definitely won't be getting new widebody's any time soon. Probably might get some 321 or 190-195 first.
DeleteJU could very well get the A359 by Expo 2027.
DeleteSomeone above mentioned the Air Belgium A330-900s. Given that JU is getting the new A330-200s, could they not consider these as well or is it way too early for them. I know there is cockpit commonality but I am not sure how similar the new Trent engine is to the old one. But then again Jat Tehnika does not look after these anyway so it will be someone like LH Technics or Turkish.
DeleteTrue, along with the fact that the Expo is soon and they are already looking at expansion opportunities so they might as well snag them up.
DeleteIt's JU we are talking about here, wet lease will cover the capacity spike for the most parts.
DeleteI would love for them to get some new metal but only if they can use it later on.
Nice!
ReplyDeleteI just don't know with what planes they would fly to it. 4 A330s is not enough for 4 US cities and 3 China cities.
ReplyDeleteMaybe they plan on getting 5th A330.
DeleteThey need to get A330-900s.
DeleteOr A350s...
DeletePerhaps with more destinations in China, they won't leave the A330-200s on the ground in China to rest the crew like they do now.
Delete4 planes are more than enough, even in summer period.
Delete1. JFK 6pw
2. ORD 3pw, LAX 2 pw
3. TSN 2 pw, PVG 3 pw
4. CAN 2 pw, JFK 3 pw
PVG is capped at 2
DeleteThen there’s a room even for YYZ. With new US routes, probably demand for JFK will be smaller. Maybe 2 pw in winter and up to 5-6 pw in the summer
DeleteLaunch of ORD does not seem to bave dented the performance of JFK.
DeleteWhich goes to show they don't get too many domestic US transfers on their flights.
DeleteYou're right about JFK not being dented. In fact it seems JFK has grown and ORD isn't as big as the public was expecting.
DeleteMaybe San Francisco will be launched instead of LAX. Since the president for last few year was talking about Serbian push and plans into San Francisco. So could be another political plan and decision just like Miami.
I agree MIA seems strange when politicians are making the announcements for JU.
DeleteI hope politicians make more announcements, since whatever they promised it was implemented 100%.
DeleteThey had been promising USA flights since 2002 and we only got them in 2016.
DeleteLA would make most sense but it is too far away
ReplyDeleteWhy is it far away? The A330-200 has the range to fly there as it has an centre extra tank over the A330-300.
DeleteHahahah, one more expert. Blululu... I flew from Berlin to LAX little more than 10 hours. One hour more that to Miami. Bc flight route is from up north.
DeleteLAX is most likely their next destination after MIA
DeleteCanada seems forever forgotten
ReplyDeleteIt does seem a bit odd
DeleteYYZ seems obvious for summer seasonal and maybe if they had a smaller aircraft like the A321XLR, they could fly there in winter as well.
DeleteA lot of the diaspora in Canada get assimilated in one generation and end up flying to Mexico/Cuba for their holidays instead of Ex Yu. For those that want to come it is not easy as the cost of living in Canada has skyrocketed. For those wanting to go to Canada from most of the Ex Yu the visa application process is a hassle, plus it is not as attractive destination as it used to be over the last few years. I moved my family to Belgrade years ago and my teenage kids do not want to visit Canada for even 2 weeks.
DeleteAnd they don't get assimilated in the US? It is even worse in the US.
DeleteYou are so wrong. Serbs that came in 90's and after are so different from earlier generations of immigrants. We travel to Serbia all the time and our kids that are grown go all the time.There will be enough demand for Toronto year around.
DeleteHowever, I understand that US is more attractive for travelers from Balkans plus there are better business relationships.
I think the problem with YYZ seems to be the landing fees and slots as well as the air services agreement. Perhaps if they had an open skies agreement like the US, then maybe the situation would be different? I know Canada is also very protectionist and the ME3 airlines also had issues growing there. I think QR pulled out of YYZ.
DeleteCanadian airports are in bad shape, when you land at T3 in Toronto you would think that you are in the 3rd world country. JU would have to fly from T3 and I am sure they are not impressed with that. Huge amount of people from Ex JU are moving back to Serbia and we are expecting to see thousands more in the next little while. Canada is in a bad shape and JU is smart to put that service on hold.
DeleteCan they not codeshare with someone to YYZ? Either AC or perhaps KLM or AF?
DeleteThey codeshare with Turkish Airlines and ITA Airways to Toronto.
DeleteSo backtracking in both cases. That does not make sense. AMS makes the most sense.
DeleteHow is flying via Rome backtracking? Open an atlas.
DeleteIt ain't direct. The direct flight from BEG-YYZ goes via Hungary, Austria, Czechia, Germany, Netherlands etc. Not via Italy, France. To make you happy, side-tracking. Is that OK. Both codeshares are way too long to be used.
DeleteIt Toronto would be important for Serbia, government should subsidize JU flights for first 2-3 years. Same is for Australia, Sydney or Melbourne
DeleteWhy subsidise when other airlines are serving it alright. Most European carriers serve YYZ and most Asian and Middle East airlines serve SYD and MEL. There is no market failure. JU has simply not chosen to enter the market
DeleteWhy? Because the airlines flying there are richer than JU and can afford it?
DeleteBoston most likely
ReplyDeleteThat would be reasonable considering diaspora, jetblue hub and proximity to Canada.
DeleteBOS is not that well connected to Canada. Most flights to Canada leave from LGA in New York.
DeleteBoston is too close to New York. Just get your butt over to JFK if you need to go to BEG
DeleteHighly doubt we will get more than Miami.
ReplyDeleteLet's wait and see
DeleteWho travels to Miami in summer? It is so humid and the humidity causes hurricanes off the Atlantic. Most travellers fly there in winter to escape the cold.
DeleteFlights to Miami from Europe are currently packed.
DeleteClearly you have not been in Miami over summer when the hurricanes hit.
DeleteI have been three times actually. All of them in June. But that is unrelated to the fact that flights from Europe to Miami are currently full.
DeleteYou were lucky then going in June. It is a complete disaster as you really can't leave and you are holed up in a hotel waiting for it to pass.
DeleteOk, never had an issue. And it does not seem Europeans care either considering existing demand.
DeleteMiami in June is very wet. Currently raining every day.
DeleteYes, raining every single day and flooding!
DeleteAre they actually going to Miami or to the rest of Florida like Orlanda, Tampa etc
DeleteSorry meant to say Orlando
DeleteMiami (MIA). It was confirmed by the CEO of Miami International Airport and published here. They said they expect sales will begin by the end of the year.
DeleteI mean are the customers flying to MIA to stay in the city of Miami or are they travelling onwards to the more temperate parts of Florida
DeleteWho knows. You can’t generalize customers like that as it is much more complex
DeleteMore excited by this than China expansion :D
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteThe US has always been more interesting to us Balkans than the East.
DeleteYeah but we need those China flights’
DeleteDoes JU have some capacity constraints to New York? For example for January 2024 they report 15 flights BEG-JFK, but only 2250 seats, which is 150 seats per flight. For JFK-BEG they report 15 flights and 2950 seats, which is approx. 196 seats per flight. And this continues month on month...
ReplyDeleteAs to pax they had 2175 pax in January 2024 on BEG-JFK (145 per flight) and 2844 on JFK-BEG (approx. 189 per flight). Is this because of these capacity constraints?
Perhaps the seats blocked as they have been allocated for a client.
Delete2250 and 2950 is the number of seats on these flights reported by JU to the US transport administration and it covers all seats offered on these flights, irrespective of the sales channel.
DeleteWhat are the capacity constraints then? Does it have to do with the aircraft or the terminal access at JFK?
Or cargo
DeleteImprobable that the capacity constraints were to do with cargo.
Delete1. Since 2023 cargo prices on US-Europe has been total trash, so it would make no sense to reduce pax capacity to have more cargo.
2. In January 2024 JU had 562,960 lbs cargo on BEG-JFK (very good) and 96,406 lbs on JFK-BEG (very bad). This amount of cargo does not justify pax capacity reductions. Similar capacity constraints are also on ORD-BEG-ORD with very little cargo.
Does it have to do with the aircraft then? Does anybody know?
I am JU cabin crew. I know there were some people faking it in the past but I have no reason to. The last LH flights I crewed was BEG-JFK-BEG on Sunday, June 9th. It was almost completely full and there were no caps. The last BEG-ORD-BEG I operated was on Saturday, June 1st. That flight was completely full and again there were no caps. The JFK flight was on TESLA ARB and the ORD flight was on PUPIN ARC. ARC has a few more seats but you get the point.
DeleteMy experience from month ago (was travelling via JFK together with president on board, UN session): some 50-60% LF. Back to BEG I flew via ORD - full ARC, 100% LF. But the difference between ARB and ARC is enormous. ARC is trash, frankly.
DeleteYes. We hate working on ARC because it is deteriorating. Sure there is a crew rest but the experience for everyone is horrible. ORD has more demand than JFK especially with less flights. So cool that you flew with the president though!
Delete"ORD has more demand than JFK"
DeleteThe passenger numbers on each route and the statement of the CEO do not agree with you.
@Anon 16:36 Then why are so many JFK flights empty and so many ORD flights full?
DeleteThey are only empty in your head. You have official data from US Department of transport showing passenger numbers and load factor. So I will trust them more than your fantasies.
DeleteSo nobody knows the answer why the data from the US Bureau of Transportation Statistics show such a low number of seats offered by JU per flight?
DeleteI am sorry, but I don't treat anectodal experience like somebody flying on a full or empty plane as an anwer here.
anon 9:58, 10.46, 12:36
I don’t know where Anon 9:58 found the stats because I doubt the Bureau just posts that.
DeleteI am betting on LAX and DFW alongside MIA. LAX has a huge diaspora and can be reached with a full load from BEG on an A332. It would be nice if they got A359 or A338/A339 but that is just unrealistic at this point. DFW because there is also a very big Serbian diaspora and I know of many Serbs visiting family in Texas. It is a very underrated route as I never see anyone mentioning it here.
ReplyDeleteMaybe we should consider Romanin, Bulgarian, Albanian, Russian, Croatian and some other diaspora
DeleteLAX would be great for above-mentioned and Caucasus diaspora (Armenia, Iran...) if they launch it.
DeleteLAX is a must if they want to be the airline of the region. Imagine by Expo 2027 having flights between BEG and JFK, ORD, MIA, LAX, another US like DFW/BOS, TSN, PEK(Hainan), CAN, PVG, HND/NRT, ICN, DEL, DXB, etc. That is what will probably end up happening.
DeleteOh and YYZ and maybe some leisures
DeleteThey are unlikely to get HND, most likely NRT as a new entrant.
DeleteAnd they should also look to PKX.
DeletePKX when Hainan flies to PEK? What’s the point? Just stirring the pot at BEG when there already is a service
DeleteToronto be like, am I joke to JU?
ReplyDelete😂 true
DeleteCould they not do some sort of codeshare with Westjet which seems to be expanding to Europe. I think they are flying 737 Maxes across the Atlantic from the Canadian Eastern provinces, as well as 787s out of YYC. They are sort of like the JetBlue of Canada.
DeleteWestJet is actual sh. They are low cost and definitely not an airline JU wants to associate with. If anything start something with Air Canada or Air Transat (I know Air Transat is low cost). If Air Canada and Air Serbia each started 2pw flights between YYZ-BEG in the summer and 1pw each in the winter it could work, but Air Canada does not seem to be interested in BEG like they used to be.
DeleteI agree, AC is more likely to go to ZAG because of OU than BEG. And Air Transat, don't they mainly fly out of YUL?
DeleteEven YYZ ZAG is doing bad this year. They started sale in January with an avrg price 2100 cad and they dropped down now to 1200. All flights have tons od seats open. Canadians have no money to travel.
DeleteThat's right. The Canadian economy is not doing as well as the US and the Loonie is not as strong.
DeleteThey are only focusing on US and China but I think BEG-JNB would be a very busy route.
ReplyDeleteLagos, for sure!
DeleteAfrica, including SA is struggling. Just have a look at the state of South African Airways.
DeleteEthiopian Airlines starts Warshaw.
DeleteEthiopian is hub and scope global connector airline. Think of it as the Emirates of Africa.
DeleteI know that Ethiopian is big, I wrote that if there is a chance to consider Belgrade by them. I do not consider Africa as a joke like Lagos guy.
DeleteJust saying the South African economy is not doing well to launch flights there.
DeleteI think BEG is too far for their narrowbodies and too small for their widebodies (the same issue which EK has been facing for many years). Plus you cannot compare WAW to BEG, the Polish economy is much more advanced.
DeleteAfter JU finishes expanding in North America (along with South American leisures) and Asia they should prioritize Africa. Lagos, Johannesburg, Cape Town, Nairobi, and Addis Ababa would fit into their network very well.
DeleteIs there a limit to how many flights Air Serbia can have to the US?
ReplyDeleteNo. Serbia and US have open sky agreement. Any airline from either country can fly between the two as much as they like to wherever they like.
DeleteGreat. Thank you
DeleteNext thing they announce Belgrade-Honolulu 😂
ReplyDeletePittsburgh, Detroit, Cleveland?
DeleteHonolulu to Belgrade would be such a niche service! Imagine an Air Serbia A350-1000ULR with Djokovic’s face on it flying to Hawaii and Australia.
DeleteNY started bad, so I think we should wait for the second year of Chicago. Miami could be tricky during the summer but it could be stable in 2-3 years. The other that makes sense to me is LAX. So, the fifth wide body should be obtained. I would like to see New Delhi.
ReplyDeleteNext will be Seoul and/or Tokyo and they said in 2-3 years.
DeleteThey should start DXB with spare capacity before EK starts
DeleteDXB is expensive and EK is the beast there. If JU did start flights they would shut them down really quickly by starting their own services.
DeleteDXB isn't gonna work that well without a code share to feed it. But it could work on 2-4 weakly for start.
DeleteFor the US they might consider DFW, lots of Serbs and other ex-yu minorities in that area.
What about CLT, lots of Serbs have settled in North Carolina as well and that is an AA hub to rival DL's ATL hub.
DeleteWhat about AUH then? The new terminal in AUH is fantastic. Or has all goodwill with EY been burnt?
DeleteHuge hole for JU at Middle East and Arabian peninsula. And many flights from that region to Belgrade and Balkans. Not all of them are premium, not all of them are for high profile pax, many of them are used by "regular" JU passengers... I just don't know why they sleep on this, maybe they need better codeshares? It's weird they talk about South Korea and nothing on this, much closer, region...
DeleteSerbs actually go there for holidays and shopping unlike Korea or Japan
DeleteI think they just don’t want to start anything with the ME3
DeleteBut they aren't because EY has pulled out of BEG, EK has not started yet and no one other than QR flies to Doha and QR is a codeshare partner.
DeleteEK will start BEG very soon. They are most definitely looking into it once the smaller aircraft arrive
DeleteCould that mean that by 2026 we have 5 routes to the US?
ReplyDeleteWhich 5?
DeleteJFK, ORD, MIA, and the two new ones they are looking at. Read the article.
DeleteWhat is your pick then of the extra 2?
DeleteI would say definitely LAX and maybe DFW due to the large diaspora. BOS and IAD are too close to JFK, CLE and DTW are too close to ORD, CLT and ATL just don’t have demand for now, so those two seem the most logical. Someone here said instead of LAX they might do SFO for political reasons but I hope not.
Delete@14.17 It is quite clear in the article that one of the two is Miami. So it is not Miami plus another two.
DeleteNo it is not. “It has already been widely reported, and confirmed, that the airline’s next destination in the US will be Miami, which is expected to launch sometime next year…the two destinations being assessed have a strong Serbian diaspora.” If it was MIA plus one more then the article would not say the two have a strong diaspora but rather the one. Besides it would not be called “Air Serbia assessing “one or two” new US destinations” It would be called “Air Serbia assessing one new US destination“
DeleteNot as many Serbs in Bay areas as in SoCal. So I hope no SFO.
DeletePlus it isn't an AA hub but a UA hub. LAX makes sense as an AA hub.
DeleteAnd Miami does not have large Serbian diaspora.
DeleteOne of the two destinations is Miami. In the cited interview, Mr Marek does not make mention of Miami, hence it can be concluded he is refiring to Miami as one of the two destinations.
DeleteThanks EX-YU, so the second destination is therefore likely LAX based on comments posted above.
DeleteNoo. It would be so good if it was MIA plus another two.
DeleteIt makes sense though. I think they need to be careful with expansion. You don't want to get burnt.
DeleteMarek used to mention Miami but not in this interview. He also used to mention Toronto, comparing it to other potential North American destinations, but he didn't mention Toronto in a long time even though Toronto area has more diaspora than unserved US cities.
DeleteAir Serbia CEO also does not use the term North America any more in the sense of future destinations, just the US. Journalists and conference panelists are not even asking him about Toronto. If there is an obstacle to launching Toronto, Marek is not using public opportunities to talk about it.
He literally said when they launched Chicago that Toronto is highly seasonal and they do not need any more seasonality as they are struggling with that. He also said Toronto is highly directional meaning there is a lot of pax on YYZ-BEG at the beginning of the summer and a lot of pax on BEG-YYZ towards the end of the summer as Canadians are returning home, so the return flights would be empty. Let’s not forget that the economic situation in Canada is so bad (even worse than the US) and Canadians do not have money to travel. Now to get logistical Canada and Serbia do not have an Open Skies Agreement and a Canadian airline and a Serbian airline each have a limit of 2 weekly flights which just can’t work. YYZ is so expensive and the landing fees are out of this world. T3, which is most definitely the terminal JU would use as a European airline is equivalent to that of a third world country and is not attractive whatsoever. It would be nice, sure, but it is best to stay away from Toronto and Canada atleast for a few years.
DeleteMaybe Hamilton would be cheaper solution
DeleteThe only problem Hamilton will solve is landing fees and slots. I am not sure about the interior so I can not comment on that but Hamilton would not fix the seasonality, directionality, economy, or the fact that JU can only fly 2pw. The problem is not just YYZ it is Canada as a whole.
DeleteBesides, YYZ would be better for connections and transit.
DeleteWhy are people even considering Hamilton. The airport has 5 routes people, so why would JU fly there?
DeleteExactly, the only airlines there are WestJet and Play. It is really not even considerable.
DeleteIceland's Play is the only transatlantic airline using Hamilton instead of Toronto Pearson and it's not a good advice for Air Serbia to do the same.
DeleteAnon 16:25 Your post is filled with disinfo. What Marek said all those things two years ago but he also said that ORD and YYZ were top choices and ORD won, meaning YYZ was #2 choice. NOW he is considering TWO more destinations in the US so the legitimate question for him is why is YYZ not #2 any more, actually not even #3 and #4??? Marek has to come clean and he needs to explain that.
Canadians do not have money to travel? Are you okay? GTAA Q1 2024 International traffic is up about 12% over last year and peak travel days are near record-high numbers.
"a limit of 2 weekly flights which just can’t work" Really? How does one or max two weekly works great for Air Serbia China flights sine 2022? Not expected to initially see more than two weekly to CAN and PVG. Obviously NOT a problem to start 2pw YYZ and THEN ask for increase. Demand proves JU could fill even bigger A339 (like Condor) to YYZ during summer season.
"YYZ is so expensive and the landing fees are out of this world". If so, why are Euro airlines opening new routes to Toronto? Swiss just did, and Virgin Atlantic announced return. So no, not prohibitive enough.
"T3 ... is equivalent to that of a third world country and is not attractive whatsoever"
What? Have you been to T3 recently??? It has many renovated facilities and services BEG can only dream of. BA, AF, KL and others use only T3 and there's no evidence their premium passengers are running away to competition using T1.
"it is best to stay away from Toronto and Canada atleast for a few years." Only if you are making a bet Air Canada will launch Belgrade once enough A321XLRs join their fleet.
Long ago there used to be Belgrade - Cleveland with JAT. Could that be an option?
ReplyDeleteThat could work at one moment, maybe just not yet. JAT could feed those flights, AirSerbia still isn't there. Plus there is way more competition.
DeleteI think CLE was routed BEG-LJU-CLE because of the large Slovene population.
DeleteAnd what about PIT? Lots of Serbs in Western Pennsylvania and Eastern Ohio.
DeleteI do think at one point they will serve CLE and DTW.
DeleteHave Serbs moved away from Michigan to the sunbelt since the auto industry decline?
DeleteIn Cle there is definitely a large Serbian,Croatian,Slovenian and Bosnian population and with Cleveland only having flights to Dublin with Aer Lingus, seems like a win win situation for both Clevelanders who can use BEG as a way to get to Europe and air Serbia who can take advantage of that. I dont the the Dublin flights in Cle help anyone from exYu
DeleteCLE was dehubbed. CO used to serve many European destinations with 757-200ERs and this was quite popular up until 2008.
DeleteJU should look into CLE. Are any US airlines looking to hub it?
DeleteJU will become the UA of the Balkans
ReplyDeleteWhat do you mean by that? AA, DL and WN are all larger than UA.
DeleteSo?
DeleteWhat does UA of the Balkans mean then? What are you trying to say. UA is neither the largest or the best airline in the US.
DeleteNo hate just saying that JU will become a big airliner
DeleteWhen will they look at long haul routes from Nis (INI)? It would be a great opportunity to start something
ReplyDeleteINI is struggling with attracting shorthaul since Aerodromi Srbije took over. I think the old management did a much better job at attracting new entrants like for example Swiss flights to Geneva and Zurich.
DeleteI can not believe you wrote that they should start long haul from Nis. Like I really can't believe some people. Nis struggled to fill Zurich during holiday season and you expect the airport, which is in no way capable of handling wide body aircraft, to serve long haul flights.
DeleteThat sounds extremely reasonable and logical
Delete100%. I think KVO and INI are way too close to each other and perhaps the KVO money should have been spent on improving facilities at INI instead and trying to make it Serbia's second hub.
DeleteYes
Deletezasto na listu dodatnih letova ne stave i Cleveland Ohio...?Mozda kao let iz Chicago do Cleveland da pokupi putnike . U Cleveland eriji ima veliki broj srba,hrvata,albanaca,rumuna...tako da se skrate presedanja i vreme putovanja....tako je nekada radio JAT...
ReplyDeleteNo one does milk-runs anymore. Too expensive
DeleteAnd it was BEG-DTW-ORD and BEG-DTW-CLE
DeleteORD was also a stopover to LAX.
DeleteYYZ was also a milk-run via YMX but hardly anyone got on or off in Montreal.
DeleteThe only reason JAT at the time served Montreal is because the Canadian government at the time conditioned JAT that they could fly to Toronto only if they served Montreal. People should keep in mind the world, and especially air traffic rights were very different back then.
DeleteWhy are we not talking about Detroit. It would work out way better and there actually is some European traffic there. The tricky thing is that it is a Delta hub, but hopefully all JU/DL beef is squashed.
DeleteSeems Cleveland would be the better option with a strong exYu population and lack of flights to Europe from Cleveland, JU could take advantage of that with strong connectivity in Belgrade going onwards to anywhere in Europe it might work.
DeleteI guess because their only LH flight is DUB JU could make it work, though they would be competing directly with Aer Lingus who they have no partnerships with and who is a beast at CLE.
DeleteCongrats Air Serbia!
ReplyDeleteAir Serbia is expanding so well! Just how Kenya Airways’ slogan is “The Pride of Africa” their slogan should be “The Pride of the Balkans” or something catchier but along those lines.
ReplyDeleteThat is definitely a sticker they should put on the fuselage of all their aircraft. I mean what is the pride of Serbia at least other than them?
DeleteThe amount of people visiting Expo 2027 is solely in their hands.
DeleteI can not wait to see what the destination is. Let’s cross our fingers for LAX
ReplyDeleteI am hoping it is not Boston or Washington D.C or another destination close to JFK or ORD as they serve those already
ReplyDeleteThey only have so much opportunity to expand so I doubt they will waste resources on destinations in close proximity of places they already serve.
Delete