Monday, June 1, 2015

Ambassador hints at US interest for Belgrade flights

US Ambassador: Transatlantic flights from Belgrade within a year

The Ambassador of the United States to Serbia, Michael Kirby, has expressed his satisfaction with a new Bilateral Air Service Agreement signed between the two countries and noted that flights from Belgrade to the US will be launched within the next year. “I am delighted that we will have nonstop flights to the United States within the next year. Even if they are not operated by Air Serbia, I would be glad for it to be an American airline since it will be beneficial for both countries. All options are open, whether there will be flights to New York, Los Angeles or Chicago. These will be commercial services and airlines have to earn money”, Mr Kirby said. He added, “Last year we saw a big increase in air travel in Serbia and this [Air Service] agreement will allow for further growth”. The comments came after the Serbian Prime Minister, who begins an official visit to the US today, announced that transatlantic flights from Serbia will be launched in late 2015 or early 2016.

Prior to the launch of commercial services between the two countries, the United States has to be satisfied that Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport and the operating carrier meet its high standards. Furthermore, the US Department of Transport makes a final decision on whether to issue permits to airlines on a case-by-case basis. “The majority of conditions for flights to the United States have been met. Only some minor technical details are left to be fulfilled and our country is prepared to do so. We will fight on the market with US carriers and we want to win”, Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić said. He added, “This is a big and important signal for Serbia, which changes its position in the whole world, not just the region. Nowhere in the region are there nonstop flights to the United States and we hope to win over travellers from neighbouring countries to transit through Belgrade to New York and Toronto”. However, on June 22, SkyGreece Airlines will launch seasonal nonstop flights from Toronto to Zagreb.

Analysts stipulate Air Serbia will lease widebody jets from its part owner Etihad Airways for its flights across the pond, which could potentially hurt American carriers. Saj Ahmad, Chief Analyst at Strategic-Aero Research says, “Air Serbia will likely have to load a widebody jet or jets from Etihad if it seeks to start flights quickly to the USA”. He adds, “It’s possible Etihad will start codesharing, too, thus plucking more passengers onto its network, albeit at the expense of US carriers, so you can appreciate why some US airlines were dubious and concerned about Air Serbia being granted access”. In October 2013, Delta Air Lines appealed to the Department of Transport to reject a codeshare agreement between Air Serbia (then Jat Airways) and Etihad Airways on flights from Abu Dhabi to the US. The Department ruled in Delta’s favour, despite opposition from the UAE’s national carrier.

A former Jat Airways CEO, Predrag Vujović, who led the company during its transition from Yugoslav Airlines between 2001 and 2004, says the flights will cater primarily for the needs of Air Serbia’s part-owner Etihad. “All of this is being done so Etihad can place its code on the service to New York, since it can’t obtain additional permits”, Mr Vujović says. He adds, “We had nonstop flights from Belgrade to New York from September 2003 to mid-2004, meaning we had the necessary licenses. That was achieved without foreign partners and was the result of the work and knowledge of our experts. Underestimating their contribution is an insult”. Three of America's four largest airlines - American, United, and Delta - have teamed up with labour unions representing their workers to demand US government action against Etihad, Emirates and Qatar Airways. The key complaint from the American airlines is that their three competitors receive government subsidies that violate the terms of the existing Open Skies agreements between the US, the UAE and Qatar. Etihad has responded to the claims, releasing a report in which it says the US government has extended more than $70 billion in benefits to American, Delta and United airlines in the past fifteen years.

103 comments:

  1. Excellent statement from Predrag Vujovic and well done for someone finally standing up for JAT workers.

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    1. years 2013-2014 are misquoted in the text. He also failed to mention it was Uzbekistan carrier

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    2. September 2003 to mid-2004. Everything was operated by JAT it was only an Uzbekistan Airways plane. Crew was Serbian, announcements in Serbian and advertised as JAT. They managed to do that less than 3 years after US dropped sanctions against Serbia/Yugoslavia.

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    3. ^^^

      I dont recal anywhere mentioned that JU crew operated on HY ac. I believe it was 2006 that a group was sent to Sweden to train for the B767 type, as 1 had been leased and another to come when JU wanted to start their own service to JFK, ORD, YYZ and YUL.

      JAT at the time had a DC10, had crew, had everything but licences. They anounced YYZ and JNB, sold tickets and cancelled the service.

      Also, even HY pulled out quickly and rerouted via RIX where it continues to do so today.

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    4. HY left Belgrade because JU suspended the agreement since they were planning on launching their own flights.

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    5. Pa sta drugo ocekivati od bivseg JAT-ovca nego da se hvali kako je on uspeo sam a ustvari isto imao pomoc drzave.
      JATBEGMEL
      Jeste vi pilot bili tada ili purser ?
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    6. Ti dete shvatas da je JU bila dobra firma do neke 2006.? Nisu Dane i Hogan izmislili vazduhoplovstvo.

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    7. @2:23 uz dužno poštovanje, kako je to Jat 2.000-tih Jat bio dobra firma?! Sa političkim rukovodstvima, raspalom flotom i milonskim gubicima koje plaćaju budžet?

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    8. Code share let by uzbekistan je bivšem direktoru let Jat-a koliko kapiram? Hehe....

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    9. Imajuci u vidu kroz sta su prosli bili su super. Imali su dobru mrezu, dobru flotu i finansije su bile ok do 2005.
      Situacija se raspala posto su penzionisali devetke bez adekvatne zamene.

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    10. Evo ja ne znam kakvo je stanje bilo od 00 - 06 opisite ga vi meni Gospodine.
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    11. Intersting that this former CEO failed to omit one significant fact - the losses that they racked up in the company. So much for his know-how

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    12. "bili su super", za koga? Hajde da budemo malo realni... za zaposlene?

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    13. Pogledaj mrezu jata iz tih godina i fin performansu.
      Ne zaboravimo da ni ju danas nije nista specificno, posebno ako uzmemo u obzir finansijske izvestaje. Svako zna da je profit bila samo sprdnja i marketing.

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    14. Finansiska kuca koja je radila taj izvestaj je cenjena a i trebala bi da vas tuzi za nanosenje stetnog ugleda.
      INN-NS

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    15. @3:14 ovo sada i ono tada, ako imate trunku objektivnosti i osećaja za realnost nije za uporedjivanje ni u jednom segmentu.

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    16. Kako da ne. Zaboravih da se nebeski orao ne sme kritikovati.

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    17. Kako da kritikujete najbolju Aviokompaniju u EX YU ne razumem i zbog cega , a uskoro ce i jedina imati letove za USA -CAN kao sto je rekla vec jedna bitna licnost .
      INN-NS

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    18. Чињеница је да је Ер Србија направила велики помак од доба Јата али то не значи да су постигли све да би били окарактерисани као стабилна и добра компанија. Има још доста великих рупа као недостатак онлајн чекина, пензионисање Боинга, интерна стабилност фирме и тако даље.

      Иако фирма споља изгледа супер, изнутра и није све тако бајно. Ето прошле недеље три особе из управе су дале отказ и то нису са било ког нивоа. Но добро, нама је речено да ћутимо такод а ћутимо и радимо своје. Не плаћају нас довољно да бих се у тој мери нервирали. :)

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    19. anon at 3.44pm ... we all wish to be paid more, that's for sure. But if i'm not mistaken, you still have a job right ? You surely wouldn't have had one by the end of Aug of 2013, as the company would've gone bankrupt and the govt would have let it die. So, in a country of +30% unemployment, having a job surely must be of great importance, no ? If you think that you have better prospects elsewhere, why not try your luck and go find that higher paying job ? I bet you any money that you are not chained to your desk and not allowed to leave. There are so many others who would gladly take your place and be happy to leave unemployment behind them ....

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    20. @3:44 Da li vi stvarno ne kapirate da nije bilo Etihada da bi vi danas bili nezaposleni?
      Promene u vrhu kompanije pa? Dobro došli u 21. vek. Pre su samo izbori u državi mogli da ih pomere iz fotelja. Spominjete Boinge a ne spominjete 10 A319/320 i ATR koji su dosli kao i 10 naručenih potpuno novih A320NEO?

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    21. Gde radi to postovani gospodin u ASL ako nije taja i sta radi .
      Pa naravno niko ne zna da pohvali nikad nesto dobro kad se uradi dobro u u ovoj drzavi nego je opet drugi kriv kao i uvek a nikad se negleda na sebe .
      A naravno ko je u mogucnosti da promeni kompaniju neka ide gde mu je bolje.
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    22. Kad smo već kod financijskih izvještaja aerodroma Beograd i Air Serbije sa revizijskim zabilješkama nikako ih nigdje ne mogu pronaći. A morali su se objaviti to aprila. Pa molim da mi netko pomogne sa odgovorom:

      1. Ako jesu gdje se mogu javno pročitati.

      2. Ako nisu zašto nisu objavljeni izvještaji u zakonskom roku i koje su sankcije.

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    23. Aerodrom Beograd je objavio svoj izvestaj i nalazi se na sajtu Beogradske berze

      http://www.belex.rs/data/2015/04/00092888.pdf

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    24. Objavljuju se kvartalno jer je aerodrom na Berzi, a sto se tiče APR, oni kasne sa svima pa i mojom malom firmom.. nema nikakve konspiracije.

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    25. What JAT workers ? I thought the company was now called Air Serbia ?

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    26. Yeah, Jat would have gone bankrupt just like Zelezara. Oh wait....

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  2. I'm wondering whether the Ambassador is just being a diplomat or whether he knows something we don't.

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    1. Neko mu je vec odgovorio na fb pescanika:

      Predrag Vucetic 1. Let za NYC pre 12 godina je bio code share sa uzbekistancima a ne Jat-ov let.
      2. Američko ministarstvo transporta nije оdlučivalo da li ćе AirSerbia dobiti dozvolu da sleće na američke aerodrome nego da li će code share sa AirBerlinom i Etihadom za let za USA tim kompanijama biti odobren.
      3. Takodje je ne istina da ASL kao deo Etihada ne može da leti za USA zbog subvencija Vlade AbuDabija toj kompaniji jer Etihad svakodnevno leti za USA.

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    2. Odgovor na Peščaniku je Brkiću a ne ambasadoru. ;)

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    3. Мислио је на овог Амбасадора

      http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=124435961&postcount=7111

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    4. Izvinjavam se, ne znam "Ambassador a" ne pratim skyscrapercity ;) ali sam izvorno komentarisao Brkića na Peščaniku.

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  3. I doubt any US airline will launch flights. As far as I know only United has a code share to BEG and it is through Lufthansa. Correct me if I'm wrong. But what I am interested in is how Lufthansa and Austrian will respond if and when Air Serbia launches flights.

    P.S love the new look, nice surprise this morning :-)

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  4. Most realistic is that 9W start BEG DEL/BOM and continue to ORD as they need it and of course add JU code on it.JU cant fill flight to States alone 101%

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    1. Does 9W still fly to the US via Brussels?

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    2. Yes it does. It flies to Newark and Toronto.

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    3. I believe India is still FAA CAT 2 and its carriers cannot add capacity to the US.

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    4. India was CAT 2 for a while, but got back up to CAT 1 a few months ago.

      https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=18575

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  5. In my opinion this was a political decision. For years now the U.S. authorities ignored the Serbian side in terms of renegotiating the ASA. So then the Serbian guardsmen march through the Red Square, the U.S. ambassador in Belgrade goes crazy (called Serbs schizophrenic) and guess what, the Americans finally agree to sign a new agreement.
    Similar tactic the EU used with the visa free regime back in late 2009.

    Regardless of all this, good news but I hope we won't have any flights soon as the airport is not ready for them.

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    1. Did he really call Serbs schizophrenic :O Following Serbian news from time to time, I'm noticing Kirby has become the go-to-guy for everything and anything in the country.

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    2. Yup.

      http://www.rtv.rs/sr_lat/politika/kirbi-srbi-su-pomalo-sizofren-narod_585518.html

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    3. My goodness. Wouldn't call that very diplomatic but the praise for Vucic is equally surprising.

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  6. OT but should put to rest some speculation as far as BEG goes:

    http://www.aviokarta.net/vesti/3152-lot-prinudjen-da-suspenduje-liniju-varsava--beograd/


    In conclusion, no passengers will be booked on other airlines as some speculated on here.

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    1. Unless LO and JU codeshare on Air Serbia BEG-WAW

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  7. Etihad is back in BEG. Morning flight from AbuDhabi is made with Etihad plane.

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    1. yes, A6-EID and their A319 made the trip this morning.

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    2. and Muscat ASL A319 YU-APA came back to BEG last night

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    3. Where are all those people who were claiming Etihad retreat and closure ?

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    4. Scroll down to read the explanation, we all know that EY was coming in June.

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  8. "That was achieved without foreign partners and was the result of the work and knowledge of our experts. Underestimating their contribution is an insult

    Bravo!

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    1. Bravo for what ? Continuing to accumulate record losses and work in archaic premises with archaic systems ?

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    2. @4.22pm ... well, that's the result of the work and knowledge of our experts ie. how run a company into the ground and make it bankrupt. Look across ALL public companies in Serbia and there's little surprise that ALL of them are loss makers and bankrupt. Excellent result of the knowledge and work of our people - Bravo indeed ! The country needs more people like this champion CEO

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  9. Today is the day of first flight between MBX and SEN!! I was expecting some news ob this matter...��

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    1. Does anyone have the loads?

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    3. The media saxy that it is at least 60% on A319

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    4. The flight departs in the afternoon!

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  10. That's warm soup! stirred and stirred again! we need facts, no air bubbles

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  11. OT: Sarajevo pax in May 2015: 80.143, up 12% :)

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  12. OT. Does anyone know what happened to the C1 airbridge in BEG? In the past few days it has only been used as a gate for ATR planes, meaning that something is wrong with it.

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  13. OT: trying to book BEG-TGD r/t for the same day. I notice that JU170 flies in the morning, landing at 08:00 in TGD, however the first flight back is at 15:25. Is it really the case that plane sits idle for over 7 hours?

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    1. Please ignore, it's a mistake. Longest idle time is 1hr between JU174 and 175.

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  14. More fake news and comedy airline insight from me today:

    My comments about AA flying 787 LAX-BEG, Hawaiian flying HNL-ANC-BEG, AA complementing JU with ORD-BEG… just kidding, guys. AA, DL and UA are not likely to fly to BEG at this point. If JU does not fly to the US, the only realistic option for US carrier to fly to BEG is charter. US based tourist agency serving ex yu diaspora could arrange a smaller US carrier-for-hire with widebodies to fly summer charters, similar to attempts several years ago from ORD (didn’t even take off), YYZ to ZAG and BEG (worked for a while) and similar to what Albanians did from New York. All those ultimately failed commercially, so while this could be technically possible again, I don’t think it’s very likely BEG will have sustainable, financially successful charters to the USA.

    Same fate is likely if Air Serbia decides (with EY’s stamp of approval) to fly to the USA and Canada during summer season only, with widebodies being used elsewhere on Etihad routes in the winter, similar to ASL Muscat job. This would certainly accelerate “paths to profit” for ASL A330 venture compared to year-round service, but seasonal service runs against Air Serbia’s goals of further regional expansion. Introducing new year-round service to say, PRN, makes more sense if those passengers can connect year round to JFK for example. Yearlong TATL service would be initially more challenging, but would pay off in the long run. Air Serbia is at inflection point of passenger growth, with marginal increases coming from improved CLF. Introducing yearlong long haul would flip that growth chart up again and allow for organic growth to more destinations.

    With two A330 and only two mentioned destinations, ASL could go daily to one destination and less than daily to another. Going only 3-4 times per week to 3 destinations gives an opportunity to *A bunch to get nasty, going DLY could shut them out on at least that one destination.

    Now the one thing no one dared to respond is question if Etihad could fly AUH-BEG-USA now that new fifth freedom Serbia-UAE and USA bilaterals have been signed (and USA-UAE bilateral already includes fifth freedom). Does anyone know this for sure?

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  15. It is mentioned. Maybe it is way to go.

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  16. Gde je drugi JU A320? Da li instaliraju Wifi?

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    1. Znaci bice gotov 18-19 juna. Kad su rekli da ce uvesti Wifi u drugom kvartalu mislili su bas u poslednjim danima drugog kvartala! Bice jedan 319 i oba 320. Sto duzi i dosadniji let pomnozen sa sto vecim brojem sedista znaci vise zarade od Wifi.

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  17. I noticed Etihad aircraft fly back into BEG today .... so much for the doomsday predictions and rumours around Etihad closing down its office and operations in Serbia ... i can just imagine how much that must hurt some people out there ...

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    1. The suspension is planned from November. It was known months ago that Etihad would operate from 1 June. This site published that as well.

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    2. There were rumors that EY will close BEG from winter season. I am not the one who started them but I do believe those rumors only because I know that during winter season ASL loads are terrible to AUH ( there were even 3 trip reports to AUH on here). It would make sense for ASL to take over EY slot and ASL to complete close down JU800/801. Anyhow, I am hoping the flights will stay double daily and the good sign is that both EY and ASL flights are still bookable for 2016 even.

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    3. Then why are you able to book tickets on Etihad flights beyond 1 Nov ?

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    4. Because you will be transferred onto Air Serbia flight which will depart at the same time and Etihad will be codesharing.

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    5. Anon 7:36, as I said that is a good sign but anyhow anon 7:43 is right and that will most likely happen. Also do not forget that you were able to book Lot flights to BEG for September few days ago.

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    6. thx for the update ... but how do you know that Etihad will be cancelling their flight ?

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    7. Naravno kao sto sam rekao nema nista od toga pa pomeraju za Nov a posle jun ponovo. A ponovo ja navodno lazem.
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    8. Apsolutno se nikada nije govorilo o junu vec od pocetka zinske sezone, a posto nisi upucen ona pocinje krajem oktobra.

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    9. Ne znam sta je smesnije ovi sto izmisljaju ili ovi sto veruju. Na leto ce dolaziti sirokotrupci ponekad a ljudi izmisljau ovde svaki dan nesto novo ali uskoro ce i to prestati.
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    10. I NEVER said that as a fact that they are suspending BEG unlike anon 7:25. I am speculating based on pax number and what other people have said on this blog previously. Everybody has speculated at some point on here including you INN-NS so dont say I am spreading lies. JU 800/801 flights have horrible LF during winter and one of the members said he saw loads from 30-60 during his few flights in winter ( he included pics a proof even). I hoping that guy will jump into this discussion and see what he has to say.

      "Naravno kao sto sam rekao nema nista od toga pa pomeraju za Nov a posle jun ponovo. A ponovo ja navodno lazem."
      Nobody ever said anythinga bout June, it was even reported on this blog that EY is back in June. From begging people where talking about October/November period.

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    11. *beginning
      *were
      Writing from iPad so expect typos

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    12. Nigde nisam vas optuzio niti sam vama sta rekao.
      Kakve veze imaju greske znam i ja sa mojim iPhone 6 + imam iste probleme.
      A veliki EY se ne povlaci.
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    13. Mali, hajde probaj jedan dan da ne vodiš polemiku sa nekim. Videćeš, biće bolje i tebi i drugima.

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    14. Joj da nam mali ode negde na odmor, pa da nam je svima lepo.

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    15. U srbiji imam internet ali slabo imam vremena da komentarisem posto sam zauzet tako da od sredine jula mozete da odmorite , a nikako ne mogu komentarisati kad budem isao na Manjacu tad ne mogu da komentarisem nikako eto imate i vi srece da tad pisete sta god hocete ako bog da o ASL .
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    16. INN-NS da li ti stvarno mislis da je dobro za ASL da leti tokom zime prazan? Za nas putnike je dobro jer imamo bolje veze, ali ASL gubi ako ima prosecno ajde da kazemo 50 putnika po letu (dugackom letu od 5h)

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    17. Kao da su sirokotruci a da ne pricamo o Evropskim linijama LH AF KL i OS uvek 100 % popunjeni ili ona slika sto sam objavio od HG .A nije to neka seoska linija pa da se ukida i uvodi kad se htedne nekom Anonymous-u linija mora da postoji dali ona 4 meseca pravila gubitke ili ne .
      INN-NS

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    18. Jel obečavaš da te nečeno čuti od sredine jula?
      To bi bilo baš divno od tebe.

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    19. Ne obecavam niti je moguce ali cu dosta manje komentarisati nego kad sam u Austriji posto imam vise obaveza u Srbiji .
      INN-NS

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    20. INN-NS do you ever sleep? I am not trying to make joke by the way.

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    21. Of course he doesn't, the party needs him.

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    22. the party does not need him, he is a kretino.

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  18. Prvi jun, taman sam se spremio da preko ovog foruma pitam ministarku šta bi od najave da će formirati Aerodrome Srbije do aprila? Kad je onomad obilazila građevinare koji prave auto puteve pominjala je neku odgovornost za neispunjavanje rokova, da li ta odgvornost sada važi i za nju?

    Spremao sam se i da na ovom forumu pitam premijera šta bi sa obećanjem iz marta da će u naredna meseca doneti odluku o koncesiji aerodroma, jer je i taj rok prošao, ali vidim da je premijer zapalio daleko preko okeana... ako ih neko vidi, molim vas pokažite im ova pitanja!

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    1. Ne moze sve odma da se resii oni su samo ljudi.
      INN-NS

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    2. Jel ti imas potrebu da ama bas na svaki post odgovaras? Imas li ti zivot van ovog foruma? Prisutan si nonstop.

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    3. Pa odgovaram zato sto samo srbi ovde pljuju svoje jos nisam video ni jednog bosnjaka da pljuje G Izetbegovica ili nekog Hrvata da pljuje G Kolindu tako da se vidi kakav smo narod.
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    4. Bravo INN-NS, Ja sam u Kanadi i zgrozavam se na komentare ovih negativnih ljudi koji non stop pljuju po tebi i svemu sta je AS napravila pozitivno.

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    5. Ti bre ne možeš biti ozbiljan. Moraš znati razliku imeđu kritičko gledanje i negativnih komentare. A uostalom ako braniš INNa onda znam koliko je sati.

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    6. INN a ko si ti pa da ih branis? To onda potvrdjuje da si bot.

      Isto tako, Izedbegovic i Kolinda se ne mesaju u poslovanje svojih nacionalnih avio-kompanija, to nije slucaj sa Srbijom i tvojim alteregom.

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    7. E sad ga pretera! Baš INN zna što je to alterego... :-)

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    8. Hahaha da, jbg ne mogu bas u potpunosti da se spustim na njegov nivo.

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    9. @AnonymousJune 1, 2015 at 9:40 PM

      ja se ne sećam da su spomenuli godinu kada su govorili u aprilu i junu, tako da ne vidim kako lažu ;-)

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    10. Rekao je 8. marta ove godine da ce biti reseno "u naredna dva meseca" a ne u junu tamo neke godine. Rok je prosao!!!

      "Vučić je rekao da mora da se ide u rekonstrukciju, povećanje kapaciteta i proširenje kako bi aerodrom bio funkcionalniji.

      Da li će se u taj posao ući sa stranim partnerom kroz koncesiju, ili nekim drugim oblikom javno-privatnog partrnerstva, ili ćemo u to ići sami, to je odluka koja će se doneti u naredna dva meseca, reako je Vučić."

      http://rs.n1info.com/a41200/Biznis/Vucic-najavio-rekonstrukciju-i-prosirenje-aerodroma.html

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