Monday, August 24, 2015

EC: Air Serbia investigation ongoing

European Commission continues investigation into effective control

The European Commission (EC) says its investigation into Air Serbia’s ownership structure is progressing. The EC launched an investigation into Etihad’s investments in European airlines in April last year as part of a wider examination into whether foreign ownership of European carriers complies with EU airline licensing rules. An EC spokesperson for Transport says, “We can confirm that the Air Serbia investigation is still ongoing. For confidentiality reasons, we cannot go into further details at this time. The Commission has doubts whether Etihad’s investments are in line with European Union rules on ownership and effective control of EU airlines”. While Serbia is not an EU member state, as a candidate country it must adhere to the Union’s pre-accession policies and guidelines. Following Etihad’s takeover of Jat Airways, the EC requested for Serbia to clarify the airline’s new ownership structure. While a carrier from outside Europe can hold a minority stake in an EU airline or a country aspiring to join the block, it must prove that the effective control is still in the hands of the majority shareholder.

The EC has already issued suggestions to the Serbian government in order to deal with the issue, which have since been approved and implemented. Last year, Siniša Mali, the President of the Air Serbia Supervisory Board, said. “The European Commission, in a way, did us a favour, by reducing Etihad’s participation. Etihad now doesn’t have the right to decide but only gives suggestions for preparation of the business plan”. He added, “None of the agreements signed between the Serbian government and Etihad Airways are contrary to the European Common Aviation Area Agreement, including those concerning corporative control. The most distinguished lawyers from London drafted these agreements and they wouldn’t make an oversight”. Etihad Airways has maintained that the effective control in each of its investments lies with the majority shareholder “I can’t sit in Abu Dhabi and manage a Swiss, German or Serbian business but I can be a strong and responsible shareholder. There is a strong local team running each airline”, Etihad’s CEO, James Hogan, said previously.

Other airlines can influence the Commission to open formal investigations into cases concerning fair competition. Low cost airline Rynair made it no secret it played a major role in the EC’s decision to investigate Adria Airways over state aid and went as far as publicly criticising the Commission for being too slow to rule on the case. It is believed Lufthansa played an instrumental role in the EC's decision to investigate Etihad’s investments in Europe, irked by the carrier’s plans to increase its capital in Germany’s second largest airline Air Berlin and its investment in Alitalia. As a result, Air Serbia found itself in the crossfire of Lufthansa’s dispute with Etihad. Lufthansa CEO, Carsten Spohr, said in April this year, “Etihad should respect European laws and engage in more due diligence in order to avoid clashing with the EU in relation to its purchase of equity stakes in European airlines. In Germany and Europe we believe in the law and whatever the law allows to be done shall be done, like it or not … if it’s illegal it shall not be done”.

125 comments:

  1. This is going to be a feast for haters

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    1. Why are they investigating AIR Serbia? They are at least 5 years away from EU...

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    2. The EU are haters too!
      Everyone who doesn't worships ASL and Kondić are haters.

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    3. Cut the drama and give credit where its due.

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  2. "“The European Commission, in a way, did us a favour, by reducing Etihad’s participation. Etihad now doesn’t have the right to decide but only gives suggestions for preparation of the business plan”

    And that is why Zadar airport CEO went to Doha for negotiation about possible Air Serbia Belgrade-Zadar route.

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    1. I highly doubt the meeting took place in Doha. ;)

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    2. I highly doubt that "Etihad now doesn’t have the right to decide but only gives suggestions for preparation of the business plan".

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    3. Yes, it was. It was even published here on exYu Aviation and it was announced by Zadar Airport CEO. Discussion about that on this blog was very big.

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    4. She went to Abu Dhabi not Doha ;)

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    5. Of course, Abu Dhabi...

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    6. And you point is???? What does it matter that the meeting took place in Dhabi? Zadar, with its low traffic volumes, was begging for JU. Since JU's routes are predetermined,in UAE, that's where the meeting took place. Or would you have preferred for them to meet on Aruba?

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    7. Yes, for sure when you don't have right to decide but just to give suggestions, you organize meeting with ZAD airport CEO in Abu Dhabi. That showes how Mali really decide!

      So even to fly BEG-ZAD has to be decided in Abu Dhabi. And what Mali decide? Color of toilet paper or how many postcards he can sent from trip to UAE?

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    8. Anon at 4.17pm - dude, you like seriously need to get your hands on a Benson's .... Before you criticise Mali or anything else, stick to your native tongue, because otherwise, you simply come across like a Class A tool ....

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    9. this blog is not about English but is about aviation and Mali is part of it.

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  3. One year ago some expert in this blog said that investigation on Air Serbia is finished!

    Pinky, pinky, pinky like always! Lies or changing the fact to make Air Serbia better than it is!

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    1. Maybe focus more on the news articles than the subjective personal comments. It will help you in understanding the facts better.

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  4. Oh screw it. Admin, this blog is getting more and more yellow paged paper look, could you please manage the normal content here?
    Thank you from Singapore(SIN/WSSS).

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    1. And this is not "normal content"?

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    2. Don't you understand that if it's not praise for JU it's tabloid trash. Nevermind what the EU said, nevermind that the article actually gives the perspective of both sides. I remember there were several pieces on Adria's investigation. This is the first one we get about JU.

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    3. No, this is not the first one. This blog has been covering all new developments of the investigation into EY-JU partnership.

      The difference is, not everyone see this investigation a key evidence that JU is a fake airline and some kind of evil demon that will soon go bust. Many people see it as something that can happen, such was the case with Adria. But that is not enough for haters who are on duty 24/7, so they instantly label everyone who does not celebrate the upcoming doom of a fake airline as pinky pinky fanboys. Only pure hate is allowed, whoever does not hate them is the enemy of open skies and transparent business. That is the problem with the comment section of this blog which is otherwise great.

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    4. Anon 9:55 I think what ruins these discussions are cheerleaders like yourself (and INN-NS of course) who are unable to participate in any topic that doesn't celebrate JU as God's gift to humanity.

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    5. Bitter much? The last time I checked people were free to voice their criticism. You make it sound as if everything within JU is functioning perfectly. The reality is so different as many have pointed out.

      According to you, it seems that we are only allowed to praise JU and to repeat what a great airline it is. I am sorry but you are no better than the haters, the only difference is that you are on the other side.

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    6. The thing is that some people in Serbia want to make everyone believe that JU has metamorphosed from Jat into something of a mini Lufthansa when their problems are obvious to everyone. Stop treating the public like idiots and maybe less people will be annoyed by your rhetoric.

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    7. Bilo vam je dozvoljeno pljuvanje ASL i moji komentari gde sam Hvalio G Kondica i jos neke ljude je obrisan i ako nikom nije bio upucen .
      I bas ali bas nikad se ne brise kritika zato sto bi onda vlasnika ove stranice pojedina gospoda pljuvala da radi za vlast .
      INN-NS

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    8. @INN-NS,
      What?

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    9. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 11:04 AM,

      The thing is, that Air Serbia has metamorphosised into the best air carrier in ex-YU, and some people find it difficult to eat their humble pie, because of that. So, like a broken gramophone, they keep spinning same old exhausted stories about the airline, to feed their bout of envy.

      As much as this might create a green chain reaction, Air Serbia is here to stay. So, get used to the new reality. And maybe make use of their excellent product sometimes. It might help you overcome your serious case of spatting.

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    10. Haters was called 25 year ago „vanjski i unutarnji neprijatelj“. Every regime that is not sure in public support needs that. By expression „haters“ or „vanjski i unutarnji neprijatelj“ you can make excuse for almost everything. And in same time you can produce a culprit for your own failures.

      But there are two things that you have to understand:
      1. Criticism is not always will to harm JU. Not to allow criticism shows that you are main problem, that you thing you are god who cannot make mistake, and that you don’t want to make something better.

      2. Even if there are so many “haters” one should ask himself why is that so. Am I really good or even OK if so many people hate me?

      3. Also by this „hate“ label practice one can sent discussion to unimportant issue, and remove it from important thinks. And here topic is:

      EU IS INVESTIGATE AIR SERBIA-ETIHAD DEAL as it is against EU law in which Serbia try to become member and have to follow those rules. Haters are not topic today.

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    11. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 11:57 AM

      Based on your last paragraph, you could fit into the "hater" category. Bu I wont go around labeling people.

      Of course, some objective criticism is always welcome for any airline. But it seems that there are certain individuals here, who can be recognised by their writing style, that are here every day "da lupaju kontru". Their tasteless comments really wont change anything on the ground, but it creates an illusion that Air Serbia is an airline on the verge of collapse and bankruptcy. Air Serbia has got a bright future ahead of it. Shelve aside your nationalism and be happy that at least there is one worthy airline in the region, just like we are happy that you have some decent airports above our regional standard.

      You say "EU IS INVESTIGATE AIR SERBIA-ETIHAD DEAL as it is against EU law ". That is an extremely malicious statement, since you or none of us even know the outcome of that case yet, but you are already gloating in Air Serbia's demise.

      Chill man, and take it easy. All will be soon revealed, that will be of help for our whole region.

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    12. Investigation is already bed for image of Air Serbia. Of course you can not know result, but if they investigate something is not so nice as you want to show.

      And concerning "vanjski i unutarnji neprijatelj" there is another one "pazi na telefon, naprijatelj uvijek prisluškuje" and maybe you should find in Air Serbia Sekretarijat za NNNI to prevent those "vanjski i unutarnji neprijatelj". By force if it is necessary.

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    13. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 12:23 PM

      Prvo i osnovno. Air Sebia vise nije i ne moze biti, hvala Bogu, vas "unutarnji neprijatelj". Sto se tice vaseg "unutarnjeg problema", mislim da je u malo vecim probelmima od naseg, take mozda da presumerite vise energije tamo nego po komsijskom dvoristu.

      Call INN what you want. Your problem . I could also define you as the "Anti Air Serbia secretariat". So, unless you can provide some stronger arguments, I i will consider our discussion finalised.

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    14. Meni Air Serbia nije ni unutarnji, ni vanjski neprijatelj. Ni po čemu. Kompanija kao i Lufthansa, KLM, Aeroflot, Turkish, kad je povoljnija ja ju koristim.

      Vi u svemu vidite "hatere" ili "unutarnje i vanjske neprijatelje". To je nešto što koriste samo "branitelji" Air Serbije, nisam to čuo od onih koji zagovaraju Montenegro, Adriu, Croatiu, Turkish, Lufthansu...

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    15. Hater = a person who labels as pinky pinky fanboy anyone - literally anyone - who tries to focus on positive things regarding JU without denying the negative ones.

      Hater = a person who welcomes any negative news on JU so that he can shout his demagogic paroles such as: "ahahahahaha, fanboys say it is pinky pinky but it is not pinky pinky"

      Hater = a very sad and bitter person who is rapidly running out of hate arguments such as timetable punctuality, flight delays, baggage issues etc. so he now goes personally against people who have other things on their minds than hate.

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    16. @11:57 ako je to stvar izmedju Brisela i Beograda kog djavola to najvise zanima Zagreb?!

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    17. A prepotencije, majko mila... Ma odakle vam ideja da to nešto mnogo interesira Zagreb. Ljude iz struke u Zagrebu (ne i običnu raju) to interesira:

      1. Jer je Hrvatska u EU, pa i sama utječe na odluke EU, dočim isto ima reflekcije i po Hrvatsku (primjerice možebitno ukidanje linije ZAG-BEG)

      2. Air Serbija utječe na poslovanje Croatie Airlines i bilo kakva reakcija EU mora se predvidjeti i imati na nju odgovor. U slučaju sankcija CTN mora promptno reagirati na možebitno uskakanje u linije, u slučaju da nema sankcija postaviti dugoročan plan razvoja sa daljom ekspanzijom Air Serbije. Naravno, da tu CTN i druge hrvatske kompanije (ali i JP, OS...) imaju interes dokazivanja da je njihovo poslovanje diskriminirajuće i da nemaju jednake uvjete ukoliko se dokaže da poslovanje JU nije u skladu sa propisima EU. Srbija kao aspirant za ulazak u EU mora poštivati iste propise kao i članovi.

      No, reči kako Zagreb najviše zanima upravo je ta potreba stvaranja vanjskog neprijatelja (unutarnji su svi oni zločesti u opoziciji koji žele uništiti Air Serbiju da napakoste Vučiću iako je projekt bajkovit, te svi u "nerealni" u južnoj Srbiji koji su ljubomorni na prisutnost Air Serbije samo u BEG, te izostanak iz INI). Daleko lakše je pred svojom rajom okriviti Zagreb nego Brussels.

      Ali gospodo u ovom slučaju guzi vas močni Brussels, a ne majušni Zagreb. Kako god vama to teško bilo pojmiti.

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    18. Pa sto spominjete Vucica nije on Direktor ASL G Purgeru .
      INN-NS

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    19. @2:13 ako se kao sto kazes, sa jedne strane radi o prepotenciji, onda se sa druge strane radi o kompleksima.. gledaj bre svoja posla.

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    20. Air Serbia & INN-SNS Fail

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    21. Vučić nije direktor ASL, on je samo bog koji je direktor Galaksije u kojoj je ASL glavna ispostava pod njegovim patronatom.

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    22. 1. Jer je Hrvatska u EU, pa i sama utječe na odluke EU,

      Hahahahahahahha

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    23. INN molim te ne razbacuj se mojim imenom bezveze. Ja kad te operem, a danas si stvarno zaslužio, samo nemam vremena jer sutra rano putujem za Francusku na duže pa nemam vremena, onda ću se potpisati i dobro češ znati da sam to ja.

      Ajde sinko, smiri se malo, pa će nam svim biti ugodnije ovdje. Hvala ti unaprijed.

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    24. Pugi, ako nisi ti onda ti je neko ukrao indetitet kao INN ;)

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    25. G. Purgeru, nemojte da obraćate pažnju na INN, ne želimo da on otera normalne ljude sa ovog bloga..

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    26. Mrtva trka izmedju njih dvojice.

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    27. @ Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 4:31 PM

      Uskoro, kada se bude donosila odluka o otvaranju prvih poglavlja pregovora sa EU, HR ce imati sta da kaze po raznim temama i raznim osnovama. To ce biti prvi razlog za Hahahahahahaha sa HR strane, a nekako istovremeno bice i objava rezultata Evropske Komisije o JU kao i ( po ne znam koji put ) nedolazak sirokotrupnog aviona i neotpocinjanje dugolinijskih letova. To ce biti drugi razlog za Hahahahahaha sa HR strane. I to ne, kako mnogi ovde predtavljaju zbog mrznje, nego zbog bahatosti botova i fanboysa koji se ponasaju kao da je Srbija u EU a njena aviokompanija u najmanju ruku SQ, a sce ostalo na Ex-Yu prostorima manje vredno. Epa, deckici, doci ce do otreznjenja, i to vrlo brzo...



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    28. U bre dečki, kaj ste vi opasni.. bumo se usral momentalno kad to bidne...

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  5. Bad news for Air Serbia...

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    1. Živi u nadi..

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    2. You better start living in reality instead of dreams Anon 10:33.

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    3. And you, Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 11:04 AM, need to realise that it ain't over until the fat lady sings.

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    4. The Fat lady is in Brussels, not Belgrade.

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    5. @11:04 ...što ti toplo preporučujem, have nice day ;)

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    6. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 11:52 AM,

      You might be quite surprised where the fat lady resides these days. But, lets wait and see who was right... ;)

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    7. Reality is:
      - EU investigate. Even that is not good for image of company!

      - minister and managers from JU was in Brussels for "consultations" (not that EU came to Belgrade, but the were ordered to come to Brussels)

      - something is very fishy here, if not here will be no investigation and for sure it will not take 2 years.

      - it is very dangerous for Air Serbia.

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    8. Ha ha. You sounds like an Agatha Christie novel. Please calm down and stop generating intrigues. All will be good. Worry about Croatia Airlines.

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    9. Why will I worry about Croatia Airlines. Don't use them, don't feed them with my tax money, not use my air space (exempt on route to Split which I don't fly).

      Why you need Croatian-Serbian conflict on this one. It is about EU and Serbia, not about Croatia and Serbia.

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    10. Adria can probably be a great example of how such EU investigations can be fatal for an airline's image, is that right haters?

      Adria suffered a massive loss of passengers who simply did not to fly an airline that was under the EU investigation, was that the case haters?

      Generally when an airline gets under EU investigation it is as good as dead. Damage beyond repair. Again something we could see in the Adria case, right haters?

      Jeez, it really sucks to be you, eh?

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    11. personally I did not buy ticket on Adria during investigation because I was afraid it could finished like Malev where I lost money and did not fly.

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    12. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 2:16 PM

      Well, as you can see, there are not that many "worried" people like you. The number of JU passengers is shooting through the roof. But thanks for your concern. lol

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    13. Shotting to roof. With 67% LF???? Hahahahaha....

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  6. Bye bye, long-haul flights.

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    1. This has absolutely nothing to do with longhaul flights,

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    2. Really? You may ask the americans ;)

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    3. FYI, flights to America are approved in Washington, not in Brussels. So your comment is pretty daft.

      We are miles away from all of you, when it comes to transatlantic flights.

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    4. What I'm saying is that the Americans already are trying to limit the ME carriers and their subsidiaries to fly to the US. Every argument in that direction counts. The EU commission is just giving them another one.

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    5. Considering ASL cuts in the winter season and ticket prices going up I doubt that they will improve their LF and I think that this winter will be catastrophic for them. I wonder if they will post profit in the end of the year. Real profit that is. Not some creative accounting wonder.
      And I can't wait to hear V idiot talking about why A330 hasn't come in a year... There is simply no money for it. And if they manage to lease it there is no way they will post profit. 0.5mil $ lease and other costs and two weekly flights to two cities in US. Who the fuck are they kidding.

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    6. U moje vreme se volela avijacija a danas je vidim najvaznije da komsiji crkne krava ;) Ne razumem ove komšije majke mi.. jel vi nemate preča posla?

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  7. Once again, Lufthansa is trying to maintain its hegemony over European air-transport sector. This farce directed agaisnt Etihad is nothing more than that. Otherwise its whole dictatorial structure, and its parasitic relationship with its "junior alliance partners" (the likes of OU, OS, etc.) who are primarily kept on life support to feed mommy Lufty's insatiable appetite, can continue.

    This will come to nothing, similarly like the cases launched against Adria and LOT came to nothing, or will ultimately result in a gentle slap on the wrist.

    For those so called experts on this blog, please curb your enthusiasm. This is nothing to do with Air Serbia. This is all to do with battling out of between two air giants, Lufthansa and Etihad, for the slice of the European market. And, I'm very much sure that Lufty will walk away from this with a giant egg on its face.

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    1. Not so sure... I believe that EU commission will back-up the European carrier, rather to allow Etihad to take over teh European market.

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    2. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 10:23 AM

      Air Serbia is a European carrier. I suspect some minor recommendation on the corporate structure might be suggested. It's not like Air Serbia will be required to pay back any money, since it wasn't being propped up by the state with unjustified loans/grants.

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  8. Air Serbia recorded 1,44 mil. passengers during January-July period 2015, which is 18% compared to previous year. Passenger operations +12%, average CLF 67,5% during same period.

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    1. Best ex-YU airline, figure wise, by far.

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    2. Any damn carrier in this world would be highly praised for improving its H1 pax number by double digit (and the LF as well by a few points). But Marko Lukić certainly knows better and we should trust his expertise when he foresees a total disaster in H2.

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    3. Quoted figures has nothing to do with financial performance. ASL recently published it's total operating revenue for H1 2015 and frankly 95 million euros don't look someone should be proud of, no offence.

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    4. Anonymous August 24, 2015 at 1:58 PM

      Ha ha. Dude, you are so sad. An exponential growth year on year, with such solid results. JU performance is brilliant!

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    5. I never said I know everything... Hey you wanna 50% growth? You can accomplish it. Every airline can if their prices are low enough... Sometimes when I compare Wizz and ASL tickets there is not big difference between the prices. It should not be like that where we have a legacy carrier with much greater costs than Wizz. There is no more money for dumping. And when A330 (and I hope it does) there will be no money for anything forcing ASL ticket prices to go up.

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    6. Currently the craziest dumped prices in the world are courtesy of UIA (fleet of 30 aircraft including 4 B767). They show first in any search, way cheaper than ASL. So when do we expect them to go belly up?

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    7. Yeah because it is the same thing when you have business developed as UIA and ASL on the other hand...

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    8. Ryanair Greece 4.99 EUR prices and most other sub-10 EUR prices are below cost.

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    9. Comparing Ryanair and Ukraine International to Air Serbia is idiotic...

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    10. So UIA with its staggering 5M passengers actually makes profit by dumping prices like there is no tomorrow? What is their magic formula there?

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    11. UIA can allow such dumping prices because:

      - Services and fuel at the Ukrainian airports from which they operate are extremely cheap and free of taxes
      - They do not have to abide by any EU law on direct or indirect subsidies etc.
      - No free-skies agreement between Ukraine and EU
      - UIA boasts an almost all-Boeing fleet with basically two models of a/c (B737 and B767) leading costs down
      - UIA offers no catering on-board so alongside its fleet composition, except for the long-haul flights (where they do offer catering) they're on pair with LCC and i'm sure their unit cost per km is on par or lower than some Western LCC. That is amongst other factors.

      That of course doesn't mean they aren't losing money, but much less than you'd assume given the prices. For more informations about current developments at UIA consult: www.avianews.com

      Greetings from Odessa.

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    12. One way or another, $110 for a transfer flight IST-KBP-PRG (return) sounds cheap even for LCC standards. If ASL was offering such prices Purger would have already calculated how they lose $200 million every year.

      Does UIA receive some state subsidies even now that it is a private company?

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    13. No, but they receive state discounts and all other sort of grey funds. The company is far from transparent and enjoys a near-monopoly in Ukraine yet, they're still relatively cheap. It is a private company connected to the same oligarchs that rule the (private) government and some other investment funds. As i said, their costs are dirt low (including salaries), they mostly own the entire fleet (no lease expeneses), they don't serve anything else than water on short haul so i guess they must be making some money otherwise they would have gone belly up long ago. Also, they opened quite a few destinations lately.

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    14. You say they actually BOUGHT all those B738, B739ER and on top of that 4x B763ER?! Wtf, are their owners some crazy enthusiasts who like splashing cash? Or they inherited most of the fleet from the state ownership?

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    15. They inherited the 767 from Aerosvit once they went bankrupt, frankly speaking i don't know where they came from originally but can learn it for you if you're interested. The 737NG also came from Aerosvit, they inherited the contract. Those are new planes. There's a lot shady business into the equation, Aerosvit was bankrupted artificially so they could clear off the debt and PS receive the new assets without the debt the previous carrier accumulated.

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    16. UIA is a prime example of how a small national carrier can defeat the global network carriers and LCCs at the same time.

      Air Serbia needs to take a look at UIA and Air Baltic. Other successful airlines with a similar business model are JetBlue, Alaska Airlines, Aer Lingus, and Aegean.

      The government must give as many discounts as possible. The only things that are higher taxed than aviation in most countries are tobacco and alcohol, which governments wish to suppress. Aviation is a primary tool for the social and economic development of a country so it must be encouraged rather than taxed endlessly.

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  9. OT: I was on board JU 315 CDG-BEG last thursday night, it was less than 50 pax (but plane arrived with way more pax from BEG) . Interestingly enough, morning flight was full - I asked if I can change the flight and they told me there was only one empty seat on a morning flight. I noticed group of around 10 pax transfering to BEY on my flight. FA also said he never had CDG that empty before

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  10. OT
    Prvi E195 koji nosi boje OS od kraja godine cemo ga cesce vidjati u Ex yu .
    http://planecrazy.sk/photos/civilne-lietadla/austrian-airlines-erj-195-oe-lwd-3401
    INN-NS

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  11. As soon as one country beomes a candidate state for EU the EU's legislation is the one that shows how serious is the state to become a memember state. That is why all fuss about ASL. If Sebia is serious to become a member state than it would respect EU laws anout transportation...soon or later Serbia will have a big issue to close chapter of transportation.

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    1. And where is there proof that Serbia broke any EU laws??? Please enlighten us. Or are you a self appointed judge?

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  12. Straight story: one of LH goals for southeast Europe is to funnel westbound longhaul traffic through its hubs. It is in their interest to prevent direct longhaul connections from EE to NA. With that in mind, Etihad-Air Serbia 49% ownership deal was under EC investigation since 04/2014 and still ongoing after 16 months. EC investigation of Etihad-Alitalia 49% ownership deal started after Air Serbia investigation and was completed and approved within few months. EC was able to complete investigation of almost identical deal but with much larger and more complex airline, indicating Air Serbia investigation could have been completed long time ago but was delayed for another purpose.

    When EC investigation started, Air Serbia was far from having all approvals for planned USA flights. EC was aware of that and they shelved investigation knowing Air Serbia can't start without US approval. Air Serbia and their government worked hard with the US on checking items off the list and now that is apparent DoT will soon grant codeshare rights (and with subsequent FAA Operations Specifications, its own flights), EC has decided to pull that file from the drawer and see if they can somehow protect LH by further delaying Air Serbia from flying to the USA. They know it's the same as with Alitalia and eventually they have to approve.

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    1. No, it is not the same as with Alitalia. Contract with Alitalia is PUBLISHED and TRANSPARENT. ASL's NOT. EY doesn't have effective control over AZ, it HAS effective control over JU. Government of Italy approved contract with EY to save AZ and no other purpose, SOME PEOPLE in Serbian Government approved contract with EY primarily for personal interests on both sides, which are being paid by Serbian taxpayers, unlike in Italy. Alitalia doesn't have army of paid youth which praizes the deal with EY and presents AZ as the planet's best airline, which is the case here. Finally, EC NEVER said that JU-EY deal investigation had been over, and the volume of tlong-haul traffic JU is supposed to have (in your dreams, or propaganda) is something which LH can only lough about, so you are either limited in your knowledge and thinking, either bot

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    2. Can you please find me a link of the published and transparent contract with Alitalia?

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    3. Why can't you do it yourself?

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    4. Did EY recruitment teams perform assessments for AZ staff, like they did in JU two years ago?

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    5. Anon at 3:42, its you again with same spelling mistakes: praizes, lough. use your native language.

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    6. EY-Serbia contract has been made public long ago. In addition, what the EU is investigating here is not the transparency of the contract but the effective management over JU. The key to that is the management agreement which effectively outsources the executive decisions over JU to EY. So the only thing the EU has to decide is whether it would be acceptable that JU outsources its management to EY. It is a separate agreement from the strategic partnership agreement and even if the EU would prefer it cancelled the strategic partnership agreement would stay.

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    7. Timing of EC inquiry remains controversial.

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  13. Cela prica se vrti oko intresa Lufthanse. Parcialno i ostalih Evropskih clanica Star Aliance. Sa jedne strane nastoji se limitiranje pozicije Etihada (u ovom slucaju), a u drugom vidu pokusaj da AIR SERBIA, zapocne letove za USA i Kanadu. Svakako direktni letovi za jugoistocnu Evropu jesu prirodni, logicniji. Naravno pod uslovom da su jeftiniji, a letovi frekfentni. Svakako da pojedine avio kompanije iz novih drzava bivse raspale (Yu) drzave, nemaju znacajnih poslovnih dilova sa Er Srbijom. Shodno tome nemaju ''preterane ljubavi'' za buduci razvoj saobracaja izmedju Beograda, USA i Kanade. Jednostavno te kompanije su pod kontrolom Lufthanse, ili njenog uticaja... Lufthansa kao mega carrier, ne zeli jednog jedinog putnika da ispusti. Ni jedan kilogram kargo tereta... Svakom je profit svetinja. Velikim sistemima kao sto je Lufthansa, nedopustivoje ''cerupanje'' iz interesne sfere. Kao i uvek politika izmedju (u ovom slucaju) Nemacke i UAE resice ''colision'' medju LH i EY. Sto se Er Srbije tice, politika USA, prvenstveno odlucuje ko, kada, kako, pod kojim uslovima i gde ce leteti Srpski avio prevoznik na teritoriji USA. Van toga prica je irelaventna. Po onoj narodnoj, ''prcajte usta da niste pusta''. U vremenu od sest do sedam meseci, bicemo svedoci redovnih letova izmedju jugo istocne Evrope, Sjedinjenih Drzava i Kanade. Life going on...
    Rodney😊❇🌏✈. Kraljevo✈Sydney.
    PS. Dear friends, if you wish to read this story please, use Google translation, from Serbian to English scripts. Rod✈

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    1. Ove istrage su u najmanju ruku smesne i ne predstavljaju apsolutno nikakvu smetnju razvoju asl i direktne letove prema usa i Kanadi.Pokusaj lufthanse da ubaci klipove u tockove etihada i asl, nista drugo.Sve ce se zavrsiti samo kao pokusaj zivi bili pa videli.

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    2. Postovani gospodine Radovane,
      Zeleo bih da verujem da niste jedan od nacionalista i sovinista kojih je na ovoj stranici svakoga dana sve vise i vise. Medjutim, nekako ne mogu da verujem da ne znate da vec nekoliko meseci SVEDOCIMO, a da necemo tek za sest do sedam meseci svedociti, letovima izmedju Jugoistocne Evrope i Severne Amerike. Ili smatrate da je, za razliku od Beograda, Zagreb u Centralnoj ili Zapadnoj Evropi, i da su redovni letovi iz Zagreba za Kanadu nesto sto nije vredno pomena u Ex-Yu raspravama. Srdacan pozdrav od sunarodnika iz Ex-Yu regiona, preciznije Hrvatske!

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    3. @11:43 nisam Rodov advokat ali ne mogu da povezem vas odgovor sa njegovim pismom i danasnjom temom. Dakle, danas nije tema o sezonskim charterima iz ex Yu prostora. Ako ste zaista iz HR, svaka čast za vaš srpski.

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    4. Uvazeni Anon 11:43 AM. Nedao mi Bog da budem necovek, da budem mrzitelj bilo koga coveka, avio kompanije, grada, drzave... Nasuprot...! Od Drave do Krita jeste Jugoistocna Evropa, sa drzavama na tom prostoru... Verujem da je Vama, verovatno mnogima da za sada nijedna avio kompanija iz bivsih drzava ex Yu, izuzev Er Srbije, koliko mi je poznato, nije u pripremi za trans Atlanske letove. Bez toga se koriste iz ovih drzava velike, dominantne avio kompanije kao sto je Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways, KLM... Samim polozajem Lufthansa nastoji da je komercijalno dominantna u kaptiviranju trzista iz ovog regiona. Ukljucujuci Srbiju do izvesnog nivoa. Sama aspiracija Er Srbije da leti na prekomorskim destinacijama, logicno ne prima se u Lufthansi rasirenih ruku. Nisu mnogo odusevljene ni pojedine manje avio kompanije u ovom region, koje su u komercijalnom dilu sa ovim velikim svetskim avio operaterom. Svima zelim uspeh. Ukljucujuci najmladjoj avio kompaniji koja e poletela iz susedstva Srbije, a to je ''Sea Air'' Croatia. Pre neki dan poslao sam poruku dobrih zelja ovom novom low cost-eru. Nisam primetio (izuzev par negodovanja) pohvala... Sto je sasvim normalno. Zeleti dobro drugom jeste prirodan odnos u zivotu i komunikaciji. Prirodno jeste ''NAMA DOBRO I NIKOME ZLO''. U tom kontekstu moje srce pripada QANTAS-u i AIR SERBIA! Sve ostale avio kompanije i aerodrome na planeti iskreno postujem i volim. Pa letim evo gotovo pedeset godina na 177 aerodroma na svim kontinentima, pa ako nisam naucnio da postujem, da volim ljude u aviaciji... Onda nisam dostojno ljudsko bice. Moje opredeljenje jeste da svaki covek ima pravo na izbor ukoliko mu je dostupan. Ja sam opredeljen da zivim Duhovno u HRISTU, a u fizickom sa putnickom avijacijom sa aerodromima... Oprostite za opsirnost, moju percepciju. Ko mi moze verovati? Opravdah li se? Vase je misljenje, a sud Bozji. Na kraju, kao i na pocetku. Emotivni a i komercijalno AIR SERBIA and QANTAS is my favourite!😊✈. respect to you and all. Rod on the road to airport✈❇😊. Kraljevo✈Sydney.

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    5. Steta sto Vam i nekadasnji JAT nije bar malo emotivno favourite, jer Vas je godinama direktno prevozio iz SYD u Srbiju. Sada Vam je Air Serbia najmilija, mozda zato sto je vode Vasi zemljaci iz Australije? Iznosite samo najruznije o JAT-u, zaista nije fer. Istorija YU i SRB avijacije ne pocinje sa ASL, kao sto je slucaj sa QF u AUS.

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    6. Radovane, vidi se u vašim rečenicama kako živite u hristu, jel delite narode. meni je prirodno 'svima dobro' i tačka. moj bog ne deli ljudi nego sve gleda kao jedno. a moja želja je da država štiti građane od hohštaplera u svemu uljučujući u avijaciju. ljudi kao što ste vi koje ste se radovali raspada. bivše države i sve dobro što je ta država stvorila negirate u svakom postu. ne mojte zaboraviti koliko puta ste se leteli JAT-om, i kako vam je bilo lepo i ugodno.

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    7. Dobro bre ex Jat-vci... uredu je... bilo je, proslo.

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    8. Postovani anonimusi 11:04 AM i 12.:17 PM. Od samog pocetka davanja imena Er Srbija u 2013 i njenog prvog leta pod tim imenom mi je neopisivo drago. Da istorija putnicke avijacije nije pocela pod imenom Jugoslavija. Nije pocela ni pod imenom JAT. Pocela je sa kompanijom Aero Put u Kraljevini S H S. Posle revolucije, sletanja najveceg sina naroda, a posle narodnosti, Aero Put je posle 20 godina postajanja pod tim imenom nestao. Na njegovim osnovama JAT je nastavio. A kao Jat Airvays posle dvadeset godina ispracen u istoriju. Zajedno sa svoja dva prethodnika pocivaju u miru kroz muzej, secanja onih koji su radili u tim vremenima, pod tim imenima... Medju blizu sedamdeset avio kompanija sa kojima sam leteo, leteo sam vise puta sa JAT-om na interkontinentalnim linijama, ukljucujuci nekoliko evropskih, i tada domacih letova. Sto se tice Jat Airways-a leteo sam na evropskim destinacijama. Najvise na relacijama za London i Frankfurt. Na kraju, ustvari na pocetku novog pocetka, leteo sam sa AIR SERBIA na liniji za Abu Dhabi. I ako uglavnom u JAT-u imalo je pristojne usluge za ona vremena, i nivo na kome je ta kompanija imala imidz. Kabinsko osoblje je bilo prihvatljivo, mada bez narocite empatije. Ne barem kao standard, uporedjujuci sa vodecim kompanijama koje su tada letele. Za Jat Airways nebih imao mnogo sta reci. Zavrsio je u muzeju. Na kraju svega posle JAT-a i ''Jatova'' cija imena nisu bila moj izbor, drugog izbora nisam imao. Formirana je AIR SERBIA, pod imenom koje mi se svidjalo. Valjda ne samo meni?!. Kada uporedim odnos Er Srbije sa bivsim Jatom, isto je kada uporedjujemb ''ficu'' sa Jaguarom. Vise od 4.500 sati do sada sam preplovio nebeskim koridorima. Ako mi to malo pomaze da razlikujem, bice mi drago. Stara kompanija koju sam pominjao je samo mali deo mojih 46 godina putovanja. Er Srbija zapocela je ozbiljno da se profesionalno orijentise. To se vidi, oseti u kabini. AIR SERBIA volim ne zbog kako Vi kazete, mojih Australijskih ''zemljaka'', vec zbog Srbije cije ime nosi. Sa zadovoljstvom uvek sa postovanjem prema mojim ''zemljacima'' koji su u Er Srbija. Jos jedanput da ponovim uvek cu da biram dobrom voljom, sa kojom kompanijom leteti u koju zemlju cu sleteti... Bez delenja naroda, kako mi jedan od vas dvojice, (ili je ista osoba?) pripisuje. Neznam dali je Vasa drzava na mojem log book-u, od 97 drzava kroz koje sam leteo i letim. Zapravo uskoro izlazi monografija mojih letova od oko 350 strana. Pod imenom, Od Polarisa do Juznog Krsta. Hvala Vam gospodo draga na vasem trudu da i ja imam sta nauciti od Vas. Za razliku od mene nezahvalnog, neiskusnog I dosanog prema ljudima. Oprostite, ako je moguce?. ✈Rodney & Son😊🌏 Kraljevo✈Sydney.

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    9. Koliko si ti to puta leteo, ajd' napiši još jednom, ili barem stavi u potpisu da zapamtimo.

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    10. Dragi Anon 10:45 PM. Dokumentovano sam leteo do sada iz Australije do Srbije 71 put, 20 puta oko sveta u raznim pravcima, preko svih kontinenata. Vise od 150 letova preko Austrakije, Papue Nove Gvineje,nSolomonskih ostrva. Vise letova do Havaja, Novog Zelanda, Tahitija... Jubilarni let na 33 aerodroma na svim kontinentima, ruta je bila: Sydnej, Okland, Santjago, Lima, Majami, Wasington, Cikago, San Francisko, Ankordz, Siatl, Seul, Hong Kong, Johanesburg, Dakar, Njujork, London, Beograd, Tivat, Beograd, zatim Bec, Frankfurt, Singapur, Pert, Darvin, Kerns, Brisbejn, Longric, Brisbejn, Hobart, Melburn, Adelaid, Kambera, SYDNEY✈😊. To sam sebe poklonio u slavu putnicke avijacije ukljucujuci i Srbiju koja pravi pomake u prvom smeru! Da dodam jos da ovjm letom od 138.000 kilometara za 17 dana sam slavio i 35 godina letenja. Moj prvi susret u zivotu sa aerodromom i to u Becu, Boingom B707, prvi let na krilima ✈QANTAS AIRWAYS✈ koji je posle mnogo godina mi postao kolevka ucenja o ljudima, avionima, letovima... AIR SERBIA mi je takodje u srcu.Aerodromi, KIGSFORD SMITH SYDNEY, NIKOLA TESLA BEOGRAD i MORAVA KRALJEVO (jos uvek neotvorena.) su mi najblizi, a ostali do njih. Setnja od Slavije do Terazija, po Kraljevu mi je bila dovoljna da samo gledam trag belih kristala iz izduvnih gasova avionskih motora. Za drugo u zemlji Srbiji nisam bio sposoban. Ne zbog Srbije, vec zbog moje nesposobnosti. To je i vama gospodi anonimnoj, ocigledno. Kada me prozivate da sam ''sovinista, nacionalista. bezboznik, neiskren''... Pa da vam priznajem moje necovestvo. Vise zbog mene nego vas. Vama zelim dva puta vise dobra, nego sto ga imam. Ostalo je na vama, vasoj slobodnoj volji i uvek krucijalnom izboru svega sto je razumno i moguce. Sa izvinjenjem Vama, onima koji budu citali ovaj tekst. Na zadnjem ali na prvom mestu Administratoru ovog Foruma sto me trpi. Moja poemika sa Anonimusem is over!
      Sa postovanjem Rodney😊✈Kraljevo✈Sydney✈✈✈

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    11. Bez obzira na vaše godine, malo oladite.

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    12. Anon 11:11 AM.
      Dogovoreno. Potpuno ohladjeno.😊✈Rod
      KVO✈SYD.

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  14. Two 747F@BEG today, any pics?

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  15. Znas i ti Radovane da mu ga das po nekad. Ja u te letove ne verujem dok ih CEO komapnije ne najavi i dok ne vidim tu kartu u sistemu za kupivinu karata...

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  16. Maybe that is why Air Serbia sacked its cadet pilot program... it would be a big additional eyesore for the EU

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    1. the cadet pilot program was stopped by serbian politicians, their children must be AS pilots

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    2. I ja sam zato da se zatvori posto pojedini ljudi koje su tako primili sad pljuju kompaniju .
      Pa sta ce u Alaska Airlines-u.
      INN-Ns

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  17. Should really be called the German Commission. They're the ones that are bending the rules as they see fit eg North Stream/South Stream

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  18. Auu ovaj Marko Lukić je stvarno ovde napisao najveću glupost. Bože da li ovi ljudi imaju ikakve veze sa avio-industrijom? Da li oni i malo razmisle mozgom pre nego šta objave tako neke lude neosnovane komentare? Stvarno žalosno koliko negativnih i bolesnih komentara. Ako sre ljubomorni na nekoga ili nešto tu osobinu treba da zadržite u svojoj kući.

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  19. Auu ovaj Marko Lukić je stvarno ovde napisao najveću glupost. Bože da li ovi ljudi imaju ikakve veze sa avio-industrijom? Da li oni i malo razmisle mozgom pre nego šta objave tako neke lude neosnovane komentare? Stvarno žalosno koliko negativnih i bolesnih komentara. Ako sre ljubomorni na nekoga ili nešto tu osobinu treba da zadržite u svojoj kući.

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  20. For the record, I was (and still am) against these shady arab "investments". I don't trust rich arabs and neither should any of you... But, I would like to know why the EU forbids foreign ownership of airlines. This law reeks of protectionism and is completely against the principles of a free market and open competition. Principles that the EU (supposedly) highly prides itself on. Thanks in advance.

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    1. 100% TRUE!!!!!!!

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    2. No, my friend. The problem is that the ME3 carriers are getting subsidies from their governments and this is AGAINST MARKET ECONOMY. So, the EU is protecting the Market economy, not the opposite.

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