Wednesday, September 21, 2016

EX-YU airlines to boost winter operations


The national carriers from the former Yugoslavia will boost operations throughout their networks this coming 2016/17 winter season, which begins on October 30.

Air Serbia will lead the growth, with the airline to operate flights to New York and extend seasonal services to Larnaca and Hamburg. In a statement, Air Serbia’s CEO, Dane Kondić, said, “Initially launched as a summer service, Hamburg has quickly established itself as a valuable point in our network, with strong passenger load factors. As a result of its exceptional performance we have decided to upgrade Hamburg to a year-round operation”. At this point, the remaining new seasonal routes, launched by the carrier during the summer, will not be extended, although flights from Belgrade to St Petersburg will be operated between December 21 and January 22 twice per week. The Serbian carrier will add one flight per week each to Berlin, Milan, Tirana and Tel Aviv. Earlier this month, Mr Kondić hinted at “one or two surprises” in the winter network. On the other hand, the carrier will suspend its flights to Warsaw.

After downsizing its network during the summer, Adria Airways plans to boost frequencies on several routes out of Ljubljana this coming winter season when compared to last year. They include Amsterdam, Paris, Sarajevo, Warsaw and Zurich. Furthermore, the Slovenian carrier intends on concluding codeshare agreements with Sky Team-members Air France and KLM, on its flights to Paris and Amsterdam. From its base in Lodz the airline will strengthen its Munich service by adding another weekly departure for a total of twelve, while flights from Tirana to the Bavarian city, launched during the summer, will continue to be maintained. On the other hand, the carrier will discontinue services from the Slovenian capital to Berlin and will end operations out of the Polish city of Olsztyn.

Croatia Airlines will discontinue two routes this winter season in order to boost frequencies and vacate aircraft for more popular destinations. The carrier will add one additional weekly frequency between Zagreb and Copenhagen, and two extra rotations from Split to Munich for a total of six weekly flights. Furthermore, it will extend its seasonal service from Dubrovnik to Frankfurt into the winter months. On the other hand, Croatia Airlines will terminate operations from Zagreb to Pristina and between Dubrovnik and Rome. At this point, flights to Pristina are set to resume at the start of the 2017 summer season in late March next year.

Last month, Montenegro Airlines signed a wide-ranging codeshare agreement with Air Serbia to over thirty of the latter’s destinations, which comes into effect on October 1. There have been suggestions that winter will see significant changes in the airline’s operations, however, at this point, none have been made. The only amendments to the airline’s schedule so far is the reduction of one weekly flight from Tivat to both Belgrade and Moscow. All services from Podgorica remain the same as last year. Montenegrin press have reported that the carrier will add an additional daily flight from Podgorica to Belgrade, although they have not been added to the system.

115 comments:

  1. What are these “surprises” they talk about at Air Serbia? Are they referring to the extension of Hamburg or will they add some more new routes?

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    1. People here were talking about Munich but I’m not sure.

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    2. They have a habit of launching sales a month before they start the actual route so who knows. They announced double daily Zagreb less then a month before it started.

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    3. From what I'm hearing they should keep Kiev. It's a (suprisingly) good feeder for their JFK flights.

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    4. I doubt MUC will be launched and even if, by some miracle, they do, I don't think it will last long.

      First of all, Lufthansa operates 14 weekly flights with their Embraer which is perfectly suited for this 01 hours 20 minute flight. Not only can LH rely on business and other O&D passengers but they can also rely on a large number of transfer passengers. Furthermore, for the past year or so, LH has actively tried to develop MUC as a connecting hub for Serbs given that FRA is becoming overcrowded.

      Secondly, Wizz Air already flies to Memmingen and they've already announced NUE flights which should start next year. Bavaria is well covered by W6 and LH.

      What role would JU play in all this? In my opinion this route would become WAW 2.0.
      If you JU had a regional jet then they might have been competitive here. However they can't be it with their A319 and a split schedule. It would be better to consolidate their position in places like TXL, STR or DUS as I am sure BEG is pretty high on Eurowings' list of destinations.

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    5. +1 agree with Nemjee completely.

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    6. JU could send an ATR there. It is as far as Prague, if not closer. ATR is much more economical than Embraer.

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    7. Back in 2007 I flew on JU from BEG to MUC, it was one of those Finnish Atrs where you board from the front door.
      All I can say is that it took us 02.45 to reach Munich. One of the most painful experiences in my life. It was a bit worse than when Olympic used to operate to BEG with the same aircraft.

      If they decide to send the Atr then they would be butchered by the competition. Unlike with Prague, here they wouldn't be alone and they couldn't charge €250 for a return flight.

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    8. They could charge less, since the operation costs for ATRs are significantly lower. I can understand that aviation enthusiasts would always prefer jets, but ATRs is a very economical working horse. Its sales prove that.

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    9. No one is saying that the Atr isn't a wonderful aircraft but each airplane is suited for a specific market. The Atr is great on routes up to 500 nm, which is about 930 km. Now that means that MUC is more or less pushing it especially since an aircraft's performance worsens as we get closer to its recommended limits.

      Also, JU could charge less but by how much? If LH drops their price to €150 how much lower can JU go? The flight is not short and the airport is not cheap.

      The Atr shouldn't be sent to any route longer than 90 minutes. As mentioned early, Prague is an exception because they face no competition. However, if Wizz Air was to launch BEG-PRG then JU would have to reconsider their approach to the Czech market.

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    10. Ali realno, JU ne moze isplavati na ovom trzistu. Jednostavno ima suvise sedala. Pogledajmo za sledeci jun.

      1234567 13.15-14.50 BEG-MUC LH
      1234567 16.45-18.20 BEG-MUC LH
      -2-4-6- 12.40-14.20 BEG-FMM W6
      1---5-- 10.05-11.45 BEG-NUE W6

      Znaci Beograd ce sa Bavarskom biti povezan sa 19 nedeljnih letova!

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    11. Uz to, ne bude li se JU stabilizovao moze biti u potpunosti proteran iz juzne Nemacke jer je W6 krenuo da ga napada i u susednom Baden-Wurtembergu

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    12. Thats impressive!!! Do you guys think ju should try to have str as 10 or 14 weekly? how can they stay competitive?

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    13. MUC bi bila jednaka greska kao i SZG dobro su povezani i ne treba se bezveze boriti sa LH i TK koji odlicno povezuju MUC sa Balkanom to svakako nebi bilo toliko isplativo . Svakako ima u tom okruzenju Aerodroma koji bi se duplo vise isplatili.
      INN-NS

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    14. Hahah TK, that is funny. ha ha

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    15. Kako TK povezuje? Putnik za Sarajevo, Podgoricu, Sofiju ili Skoplje treba da putuje od Minhena skroz do Istanbula, pa vise ili manje dug transfer na aerodromu koji nije bas top, pa da se vraca sat-sat i po na zapad?

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    16. What would be exactly the LH advantage on BEG-MUC? Both companies would fly from their hubs and JU has lower costs. The market is certainly not smaller than DUS, STR or TXL and it is certainly richer. If JU could fill A319 there, it could successfully compete.

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    17. Kao prvo velika vecina ljudi gledaju na cijenu, tako da to sto idu na istok pa na zapad ne predstavlja neku veliku barijeru, poznajem ljude koji preko IST putuju regularno za Ameriku. Otkud ti ovo za dug transfer? TK ima masu letova iz Minhena a i prema Balkanu i vecini gradova na njemu daleko vise letova nego Air Serbia. Aerodrom u IST nije top? I dalje svjetlosnim godinama ispred beogradskog kako god okrenes.

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    18. Also INI does have flights to FMM, so MUC is not interesting for JU. Maybe if they try daily CGN or 3x daily to TXL to ensure connections with AB?
      Still think that SKP needs more flights from BEG!

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    19. If JU could fill A319 there

      Pa brate treba ga napuniti a to nije lako sa Luftikom i Vizom. Nema sta JU jos da trazi ovde, suvise je slab hub u Beogradu. Kada ojaca onda moze da konkurira LH i ostalima. Ne moze ni za OTP i SOF da leti dva puta na dan a kamoli da napuni 319 za Minhen

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    21. Ljudi sto se smeju sto sam naveo TK izgleda opet dokazuju koliko nemaju pojma .
      Vise im se isplati leteti za INN duplo i na toj liniji nebi imali gubitka jos bi mogli cesto da salju A319 .
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    22. Prijavi se za posao u ASL.

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    23. BEG-MUC how many flights are planned by JU? When will they launch them?

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    24. Only rumours at this point.

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  2. Finally some growth from Adria but overall with so many suspensions earlier this year their overall winter network will be reduced comparative to W15-16.

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  3. Seems it’s going to be a good winter for Air Serbia and there will be no repeat of the disaster from last winter. They are also changing quite a few departure/arrival times to better connect on to the New York flights.

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  4. I’m sure there will be some major changes at Montenegro Airlines.

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    1. I would suggest they lease out at least half of their fleet to other airlines. Considering their planned schedule they need 3 planes tops to maintain it.

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    2. Isn’t it a bit late considering winter season comes into force in just a month?

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    3. Is there any inside info on whether JU will be taking one of MGX's Embraers this winter?

      It would be a perfect aircraft for them.

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    4. Maybe for more distant destinations. On short flights it is expensive compared to turboprop.

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    5. I really doubt ASL will profit from any deal with MGX. ASL would be lucky if it is not robbed completely there. MGX is very versed in taking, not giving.

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    6. A little bitter sounding.

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  5. Will Adria add any new routes?

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    1. None are planned for this year unfortunately.

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  6. Happy to hear that HAM is working well for JU

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  7. It´s gonna be a busy winter then :) Good luck JP, JU and OU!
    Sadly, W6 will not base a 4th a/c in SKP next year. They just launched their summer timetable yesterday. Aslo no flights SKP-FMM yet, not sure if they will end it or replace it with another one. I was hoping for a A321.

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    1. That can always change :) they didn't plan Bratislava, Berlin and Copenhagen from Skopje at this point last year either but it is an indication that the 4th jet won't come this winter.

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  8. I don't understand how OU can't make CPH work. Not only can they rely on considerable O&D but it's also a mega Star Alliance hub. Not to mention that CPH is one of the more pleasant airports to transfer at. I guess that the sector wasn't as profitable as they expected with the Q400.

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    1. Possibly not a good transfer point for them. OU offers much better frequencies and times through Lufthansa hubs in Germany.

      Now I don't know about the pricing of air fares but that could be a factor too.

      Then again OU is extremely weak in Scandinavia. Bar for the Copenhagen flights and a few charters to Sweden and Norway during the summer they are practically non-existent on that market.

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    2. Q400 is too slow compared to jets and too expensive compared to ATR. The aircraft basically failed in Europe and Asia. The situation is somewhat better in North America. The distances there are more suited for this type of plane.

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    3. Yes, you are right. It's really crazy that they don't fly at least three times per week to both CPH and ARN.

      Maybe they could do what Jat used to do and link the two. For fun, they can also add Gothenburg to the mix. :D

      OU suspending the route is great news for Norwegian but it also makes MMX-ZAG far more attractive. Malmo is usually one of the first destinations for Wizz Air when expanding in a new ex-YU airport.

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    4. @Nemjee, I think you misread but OU is not suspending CPH, they are increasing it

      From the article:
      "The carrier will add one additional weekly frequency between Zagreb and Copenhagen."

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    5. Many thanks for the correction, I was reading the news on my phone while outside. :)

      Ok, then this is good news for ZAG and for OU. By the way, does anyone know if OU code-shares with SK to North America?

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    6. @Nemjee, I still agree with you that their Scandinavian network (if we can call it that) is extremely week. Not flying to Stockholm even during the summer is crazy especially considering how many visitors from the Nordic countries visit Croatia.

      They don't cs with SAS to the US/Canada. Only on inter-European flights.

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    7. Thanks. Given that OU doesn't have to worry about banks, makes me wonder if summer seasonal flights to ARN could be operated in the following manner:

      ZAG-ARN-DBV/SPU/PUY-ARN-ZAG

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    8. Wishful thinking, Nemjee. For bit longer routes above 50 mins the Q8-400 is far better suited and more economical than ATR. Most OU routes with Dash are longer than that, hence at least for OU the Dash is lot better suited. I tend to say that JU would be happier with Dash as they could use it to operate MUC, PRG and several other routes for which ATR is unsuited and Airbus too big.

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  9. Good news from Jat, Croatia and Adria. Same old same old from Montenegro but I do think something is cooking underneath the surface.

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    1. haha I meant Air Serbia not Jat.

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  10. I really cant understand why Air Ser ia does not keep St Petersburg and Kiev during winter. There is a healthy p2p demand for LED which would minimize the risk as much as possible (plus if they offer good transfer times they could attract even more pax), and Kiev (from what I can read in the commentsl is doing unexpectedly well. On top of that, these two eastern destinations would give some balance in their western oriented network (which is very important if you would like to build a hub of any kind).

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    1. I agree but they probably lack the aircraft. Remember Adria's CRJ is leaving at the end of September.

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  11. Russia´s economic situation is not at its best at the moment. LED is also quite a leisure & seasonal destination. The political situation in Ukraine is not very stable. Also both cities already have plenty of important airlines such as LO, LH/OS, AF/KL and not to mention of course SU.

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  12. OT: FZ removed ZAG from GDS permanently after 15.01.

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    1. It was reported that it's a system glitch.

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    2. that was initial FZ response for novemner and december that ended up cancelled. now same thing happens january and beyond. I'd say this means FZ is leaving ZAG at this point.

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    3. Maybe they will make it a seasonal route? I thought they were doing well. I guess the market from ZAG to Asia was overstated.

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    4. For me it is showing normally flights January 3, 4, 5... For some however it says Sold out.

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    5. Look beyond 15.01. all classes closed on any date and no offer also on fz website. I'd say service is terminated.

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    6. Seems not seasonal as no flights even in summer in the system. all closed for sales in GDS and no offer on flydubai.com

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    7. They are still loaded in Amadeus though they did keep Malev's flights two years after they went bankrtupt. lol

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    8. There are no seasonal routes in FZ network.

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    9. Well there is a first for everything.

      Maybe the suspension of ZAG will give them more reason to launch LJU. Slovenia is more high yielding and its catchment area is more wealthy

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    10. Besides less competition than in ZAG.

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    11. I am really sad that they are leaving but it only goes to show how much the management of the airport hates lowcosts.

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    12. FlyDubai is everything but low-fare.

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    13. I said lowcost, not lowfare. They are cheap out of BEG.

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    14. QR offers 10 weekly flights out of Zagrab and offers much more opportunities to Australia, Asia and Africa vs FZ. I still wonder how they even still fly to BTS.

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    15. Do you think that may mean EK will come to ZAG? I mean, their selling capabilities are much stronger than FZ and QR seems to be doing well.

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    16. ZAG is not high yielding enough for them to consider it. (EK)

      If EK comes to the region (which they won't) then it will be to BEG... and BEG won't happen before OTP.

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    17. Agreed no ex YU in near future for EK. But am not sure if BEG provides hgher yield than ZAG really (noting both are low).

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    18. Don't really know but the thing is that BEG is a bigger market and we also have a lot of demand for some places in Africa like Nigeria, South Africa, Angola...

      That's why BEG might be more interesting as a destination.

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    19. Outgoing BEG is bigger, but bread and butter of EK (Australia) is bigger to Croatia. That being said, I dont think it is big enough and worthy enough for wide body to be placed year round.

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    20. Regardless if EK coming/not coming, I am a bit surprised that 3 weekly service to DXB did not survive. Who knows what are actual reasons.

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    21. Do we have any data to back that the market between ZAG and Australia is bigger than the one from BEG? Somehow I can't believe that because it if it was true then all these airlines would lanched ZAG ages ago.

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    22. agent level (so no airline internet or web sales or group in general) for last 12 months indicate HR having 9% higher demand. That is globally between Australia and Croatia - noting that this is only agent sales (no groups), so we miss airline internet sales or office sales. Treating those as equal, this indicates that croatia attracted slightly more passengers in last 12 months. You can believe or not, I have no intentions to email my name or files. Just passing you some actual data.

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    23. Without airline internet sales this doesn't say anything besides that more Croats used agents than Serbs did.

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    24. haha, the man said that...now do you have exact data on that web sales...noting majority of sales comes FROM australia..or serbs in Australia do cash only? :) lol

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    25. jesus, somehow I think that if that input said that serbia had higher agent demand than croatia, web sales would not matter for anon 4:39 :)

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    26. They would because without them we don't have exact data, especially since more and more people buy their tickets online these days.

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    27. Of course, but this is the data the man posted. Now, assuming web sales are the same, we have some indication. Or somebody has any indicator that serbian market or market to serbia sees more web sales than croatia?

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    28. Besides, the only way to get exact data is for all airlines to send you and then you condolidate. That will not happen so we are discussing based on what we have.

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    29. They are most likely going to stop operating the route. Hopefully W6 can IMMEDIATELY launch ZAG-DWC as a compensation.

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    30. Everyone is vying to launch ZAG.

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    31. Hmm I wonder who might be next. LO did send its E95 a few days ago.

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  13. Will Air Serbia's JFK flights stay the same? I mean will the same frequencies be kept like during the summer?

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    1. Any info on JU's latest loads to KBP and LED?

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    2. So far KBP's been full, don't know about LED.

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  14. Russia economical situation is not as it used to be but is far from bad! Flights to / from Russia are quite full on the BEG-SVO-BEG route despite 4 daily departures!... there is room for more growth in this market!

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  15. NEMJEE I'm from Greece and from what I have read you know enough about the greek aviation market. Can you please tell me why air serbia doesn't care at all, concerning the New York flights,the Athens area market ? I'm talking for this winter season and don't count the christmas period. Thanks in advance.

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    1. Geia sou... don't know. Without night flights many of their destinations become much less competitive since ATH can't normally fit in the regional bank.

      That said, it's still 'early' and they might add a few night flights, especially for JFK. The same way they did with OTP, SOF, TIA and SKP.

      Mind you, Aegean and Swiss just signed a code-share agreement which is quite bad for JU. LX and A3 will offer a total of 17 weekly flights between ATH and ZRH. Add to that all the flights to IST, MUC and FRA and BEG will have a big problem to position itself as a serious transfer hub for Greek passengers. It also doesn't help that SKG will be reduced to four weekly flights.

      I also hope ATH management becomes more serious. Because of their incompetence United almost walked away but thank God they will keep their EWR flights. Unfortunately United isn't expanding as much as they could because of Lufty and because of that ATH isn't connected with the US in winter time.

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    2. For all interested here is a picture of Cobalt's A321.
      Cobalt is a new airline in Cyprus. So far they have 1 A320 and 1 A319 with another A319 joining the fleet in the next couple of days.

      https://scontent.fbeg2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/14409013_1666538056994358_2144026451_n.png?oh=f7b71f1e3eb1c4f78233aa6e9bc104ee&oe=57E5A714

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  16. OT I'm reading local montenegrian newspaper where they say that MGX and ASL still didnt close deal as they didnt decide time schedule to BEG and earnings on partners flight.

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    1. What seems to be the problem?

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  17. OT: Air Serbia BEG-BNX-BEG Load factor for 2016.
    JAN-65%
    FEB-60%
    MAR-62%
    APR-57%
    MAY-71%
    JUN-69%
    JUL-90%
    YTD-69%

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    1. So what's your point ?

      It's interesting how no employees from JP, OU or YM ever post load factors from their company on this website.

      I wonder why that is ?

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    2. How do you know he is not an employee?

      Those are great loads, especially for JUL.

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    3. +1 Anonymous @5:38PM
      Thank you.

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    4. Anon @ 7:58 why the hostility?

      First of all we do not know if these are real results. Secondly, Assuming they are accurate we can all discuss further. How are you offended by someone posting this information? Don't get it.

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    5. AnonymousSeptember 21, 2016 at 7:58 PM
      Since you have issue with info for JU. Hope this will help you!
      Croatia Airlines ZAG-SJJ-ZAG Load factor for 2016.Info available for 1Q only!
      JAN-48%
      FEB-61%
      MAR-67%
      APR-63%

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  18. How many aircraft will OU base in SKP next year? Will W6´s response be strong by adding more routes?

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    1. Why zero? They already mentioned that they will open various bases:

      http://www.exyuaviation.com/2016/08/croatia-airlines-sets-april-2017-for.html

      Please read CAREFULLY and don´t answer if you don´t know. Thank you.

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    2. Confirmed, zero.

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  19. Winter is the perfect time for Air Serbia and Montenegro Airlines to cooperate more. AS has routes that would work in the winter, LED, KBP, and possibly MUC, not to mention potentially CAI. And MA has available planes. It seem like a win-win scenario.

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    1. The Embraer would be perfect to SKG, MXP, STR, CPH...

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  20. Presipanje iz šupljeg u prazno. Ugase par linija da bi otvorili par novih, smanje ovde a povećaju tamo. Nema novih aviona za pravi rast.

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