Thursday, October 13, 2016

Adria eyes Lviv and Vinnytsia flights


Adria Airways is in talks with Lviv and Vinnytsia airports in Ukraine over possible flights next year, Ukrainian media have reported. It comes days after the airline confirmed it was considering introducing services to the country. The Slovenian carrier is studying the possibility of linking Ljubljana with the two cities, as well as a “smaller city in Poland”. Adria currently maintains operations from both Lodz and Rzeszow in Poland, while services from Olsztyn will be discontinued by the end of the month. The airline last operated to Ukraine five years ago when it ran two weekly seasonal flights from Ljubljana to the capital Kiev.

Lviv is Ukraine’s seventh largest city and the largest in western Ukraine. It is located some seventy kilometres from the Polish border. Austrian, LOT and Turkish Airlines are some of the better known carriers which serve the city. Lviv has a notable Polish minority. On the other hand, Vinnytsia is also located in western Ukraine, although further inland from Lviv and is the country’s thirteenth largest city. Its small airport primarily caters for charter flights from Turkey and Israel, while Ukraine International Airlines is the only carrier to maintain scheduled year-round services with flights to Istanbul and Tel Aviv.

In an outline of its future growth strategy published last month, Adria Airways noted, “The airline will increase scheduled services by expanding its network, which will include the development of secondary airports, as well as growth in charter traffic and ad hoc charter services”. Furthermore, last week, the carrier’s Chief Commercial Officer, Thomas Hoess, said, “Ukraine has potential. We are now in negotiations with Ukrainian airports and are exchanging ideas. I cannot go into detail at this moment but we are discussing a direct service between Ljubljana and Ukraine”. Adria is also believed to be looking into possible new services to the Middle East as it works on developing Ljubljana as a transfer hub for passengers heading between east and west.

89 comments:

  1. Interesting strategy there. Will there be enough demand?

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    1. no. they'll give up on those routes before they even start them. the only way for these routes to work is to connect them to MUC/FRA, and that's all. what are they going to do with them in LJU?

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    2. It could work if Adria's rumoured flights between Ljubljana and Tel Aviv start. They would attract a lot of transfers.

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    3. But there are direct flights from there to Tel Aviv. Why would they go via Ljubljana?

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    4. Same reason why a lot of people are flying from Beirut to Paris with Air Serbia even though you have MEA and Air France flying direct - Price

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    5. Except that BEG is on the way between BEY and CDG, while LJU is a complete detour between Ukraine and TLV.

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  2. My guess is some of these flights will be susidized.

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  3. I think Adria is generally preparing for its strategy. It boosted flights to main western European cities this winter and shifted around flights times so to create waves and connections onto south east europe flights. We will see.

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  4. Lviv could actually work. Vinnytsia don't think so but like someone said its probably subsidised big time.

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    1. Vinnytsia is a lot higher income region than Lvov.

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  5. Wouldn't it make more sense to start Kiev?

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  6. They discontinue Istanbul, Berlin, Stockholm but will start Vinnytsia... great!

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  7. They are moving more and more to the east. The next thing we'll be reading is: Adria considers Bishkek flights.

    How about they consolidate their Slovenian and Albanian operations before expanding into new markets.

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  8. In my opinion, enough with those rumoured secondary East European towns that Adria is supposedly so crazy about. I will not even believe it when they have officially announced one of those destinations. I will believe it only when they were able to economically sustain such experimental destination for at least half a year or so!

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  9. So we might see Tehran, Tel Aviv and Lviv as new destinations in summer 2017...

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  10. Trying to create a transfer hub system is good for Adria in my opinion. Slovenia is a small market and locals don't mind traveling to nearby larger airports. This way, Adria can continue focusing on Slovenia as its main hub while also helping Ljubljana airport along the way.

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  11. Too many announcements IMO. What's more worrying is that many of these announcements come in the package of: "We are CONSIDERING these routes" which basically means nothing. Hundreds of routes are being CONSIDERED by dozens of airlines every day, and most of them never materialize because there is a big difference between considering something and actually going after it.

    But unlike Adria, other carriers don't go public with what they consider - only with what they decide on and go after.

    I believe a couple of all these "new" routes will ultimately kick off (we'll see how they perform though), however the majority will simply disappear in time and next year no one will remember they have ever been "considered".

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    1. It probably has more to do with Ukranian airports leaking this information than Adria itself.

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  12. Now I wouldn't be surprised at all if Adria announce Kraljevo and Užice flights... I mean, 13th largest city of Ukraine, come on!

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    1. Kraljevo and Užice? I don't think even Adria is that desperate ;)

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    2. Well they did fly to Banja Luka and said they would fly to Nis for the right price a few years ago :D

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    3. I lived in Vinnytsia for most of the year. The city is twice the size of Novi Sad, bigger than Sarajevo or Ljubljana. It has a transportation network larger than Belgrade. It is an important industrial city of central (not Western) Ukraine. I used to go to Kiev to catch Air Serbia's flights to Belgrade, it is 2 hours by train despite being 260km away, due to excellent rail connections (works both ways). Vinnytsia makes more sense than Lvov since it could serve both Kiev and Western regions with it. Lvov would make sense for Air Serbia and its ATR-72.

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    4. What about Odessa for Adria or Air Serbia?

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    5. Air Serbia needs to urgently expand if it doesn't want to crumble under its own weight. It is not small enough to make covering the losses insignificant, while not big enough to be profitable. Odessa should be a year-round ATR destination operating from the midnight bank. All the flights i flew to/from Kiev with Adria on JU664/665 were full packed. Let's not forget LWO is only 600km from BEG.

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    6. Adria doesn't have enough feed on the other end (New York, Sofia, Montenegro...) to make Odessa work. Unlike Vinnitsya and Lvov, Odessa is not a gasterbeiter-heavy destination.

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  13. I'm happy things are finally moving at Adria. They are looking at new destinations and aircraft :)

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    1. ahahahaha, seriously?

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    2. They got 1 CRJ700 earlier this year and another is coming by the end 2016. They are thinking of opening a few new routes next year so yes I am serious.

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    3. Amazing
      Some secondary cities in Ukraine. And maybe even further expansion in ALBANIA.
      Adria and Ljubljana are on fire. So many transfer passengers to be gained. Cause they cant fly direct to any city in Europe, they need Ljubljana.
      Next year, who can tell..summer charters to the ARAL SEA ??? Could you believe it, direct from Ljubljana to West Kazakhstan/North Uzbekistan ???

      To the owner/editor of this blog..these posts about Adria are getting tiresome. And they are not even so funny anymore. Seriously, even Pristina charters are more interesting than this. Some investment fund thought "hey why not, they pumped in some capital so lets take a shot, its barely a million, maybe we can sell it later"
      They were wrong, they turned the company limited liability, gave it to some douchebag and now we have to read about flights to some cities in Ukraine that I never even heard about.

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    4. True dat about the recent stories about Adria to consider to maybe think about launching possibility of flights to northwestern Ukrainia.

      Must be a slow news day. ;-)

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    5. They are not "considering to maybe think". They are actually in advance talks with the airports as it says in the article.

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    6. You already are tiresome ...and boasting with your ignorance (for example Have you heard about the capital of Ukraine - Kiev before ?) doesn't help ...

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  14. Like I said a few days ago, I think they should focus more on Spain and Italy.

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    1. The issue with Spain and Italy is that they would have very few transfer pax which would connect through Ljubljana and I don't know if there is enough P2P travel.

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    2. Seasonal for sure. Italians are number 1 turists in Ljubljana. Lots of Slovenes travel to Italy for krompirjeve pocitnice, prvomajske and poletne. Same with Spain.

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  15. Will they be seasonal or year-round?

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    1. Seasonal. Very seasonal. Actually that seasonal, that the season only lasts a tenth of a second...

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  16. Someone posted a few days ago on the article about Adria thinking about Ukraine

    "Cool just dont select kiev or lviv all the rest will make miracles as long as visas for eu for ukrainians are really abolished. And of course keep the price not to hight."

    I didn't get the chance to ask why not Kiev and Lviv. Wouldn't they be the biggest markets?

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  17. -Stockholm
    -Oslo
    -Madrid
    -Lisbon
    -Rome
    -Milan
    -Athens
    -Larnaca

    All destinations they should be looking at in my opinion.

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    1. They use to fly to Stockholm, Athens and Mardid just a few years ago.

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    2. And Larnaca up until 1991.

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    3. Even Oslo and Rome...ot was Barcelona as well

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    4. Not to mention Kiev and Bucharest

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    5. It is funny that no one complains when the price for the same shitty coffee in Paris, Lonndon, Copenhagen is few times higher. C'mon.

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    6. It was for ano@12:33

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  18. Both, Lviv and Vinnytsia are by urban inhabitants biģger than Ljubljana, Skopje, Sarajevo, etc

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  19. I really hope something comes out of all these announcements.

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  20. A new recent flight report from Ljubljana to Berlin. Seems to have been passenger even though they are cancelling the flights

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaoYZ0D3eK8

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    1. 2 EUR coffee onboard -.-

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    2. Dok je voda besplatna losa avionska kafa moze da bude i 10 jura. Ne razumem taj svetski bol za tom kafom.

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    3. The report shows a flight via Munich, it was not the direct flight to Berlin. But still...seems like there is a demand for Berlin.

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  21. LO to get 10 B738 and will launch Astana and Tehran flights! JU should hurry up and launch their own Iran flights!

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    1. JU got burned for 2014 expansion. They are now growing very slow.

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    2. Gde ste nasli tu vest jel imate link mozda posto ni na jedom vecem portalu je nema.
      Hvala unapred :)
      INN-NS

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    3. http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19125709#p19125709

      Seems like it was announced during today's press conference. IKA is a wise move and makes absolute sense. It will provide great feed for the airline's LAX flights.

      If I remember correctly they need the Boeing birds for LHR, CDG, MAD and BRU flights.

      I still hope we might see an overnight flight being introduced to BEG.

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    4. LO je napravio odlicnu strategiju sa Embraer-ima kao i AY i sad imaju jako dobru mapu destinacija .
      Nadam se da ce i ASL kao sto se prica leteti za IKA kao i LO.
      INN-NS

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  22. OT: Etihad's Hogan is disappointed with unions and government in Italy, blaming them for Alitalia troubles:

    http://bit.ly/2dLYeBb

    Two and a half years ago I warned this would happen in a series of (then anon) comments:

    http://bit.ly/2deCh9L

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    1. Italians are not Serbs or Germans, they are crazy. From day one they caused huge problems for Etihad in Alitalia. Remember the first summer when they deliberately sabotaged the luggage sorting facilities?

      Also, we have to blame EY as well for not adjusting its policies to the Italians. A different approach should have been implemented.

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    2. pa da uvek je najlakse kriviti drugog

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    3. Viva Italia!!! Nemaju svi slepce kao AV.

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    4. Problem je to sto je AB propao a ako se situacija u AZ ne stavi pod kontrolu onda ce se ceo EY model urusiti... mesto da u tisini traze resenje za probleme oni kukumavce.

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    5. Gde si Mr. Čermen, nije te dugo bilo?

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    6. Hahah so basically he is pissed off that he got screwed over by the Italians... what a shock... not. lol

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    7. He basically expects that the governments will play according to one particular investor interests.

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    8. Why should the Italian government bend over backwards for a single investor? What about the thousand other ones? I am sure Hogan complained about EK's MXP-JFK flights. Well, welcome to the real world.

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    9. Because the fate of Alitalia is at stake.

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    10. The single EU market doesn’t work like that. Alitalia is just one of the EU airlines and market conditions must be the same for all. Any change at e.g. Linate will affect all airlines equally.

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    11. Exactly, AZ was a bit too more than they could chew. They are realizing it just now which is why they are looking for a scapegoat. It also doesn't help that AB is pretty much dead.

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    12. Workers´ rights are extremely important in countries like France, Italy, Germany and the worker unions would just do anything. Tell Hogan that this ain´t UAE.

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    13. So:
      - Air Berlin - good as dead

      - Darwin - 75% routes closed, just 3 routes with 6 flights still working (and announcement was 20 new planes, 45 new routes...)

      - Alitalia - disapointment in October (really it is announcement that annual results will be bad)

      - Jet - still in deap shit

      - Air Serbia is profitable 3 million EUR on 40 million subvention (and it is not investment any more as till now Serbia "invest" 154 million EUR and obligation was 100 million).

      So, basically, Etihad does not have a clue how to make companies positive!!!

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    14. According to EY everything is fine and there is nothing to worry about. :)

      I am just curious to see what spin they put on an eventual demise of AB.

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    15. I'm not afraid of EY demise because that will never happen as long there is enough petro dollars. Pride of Abu Dhabi owners is bigger than logic of economy, and they will continue to pump in cash for their company.

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    16. @Anon 21:30 --- BRILLIANTLY said! Well done! Hogan can go back home or this Etihad Group airlines project will soon come to an end.

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    17. EY will never fail but what about their daughter companies around the world? AZ? AB?

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  23. OT:

    Sept 2016 (2015)

    Burgas - 441.912 (341.880) ▲29,3%
    Varna - 249.868 (203.629) ▲22,7%

    Jan - Sept 2016 (2015)

    Burgas - 2.842.624 (2.305.592) ▲23,3%
    Varna - 1.555.545 (1.285.666) ▲21,0%

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    1. VAR+BOJ beat SOF lol. East vs West. Congrats BG! :) As I mentioned before it would be nice if we also include the neighbouring countries to this blog so we all watch the trends. BG, RO & AL.

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    2. Or at least monthly reports.

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  24. Go bratko Bulgaria.

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  25. OT

    Seems like DY will increase OSL-BEG to three weekly in the period June-August.

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    1. Also BEG-STO not bookable JAN-MAR :( only APR afterwards. It´s turning seasonal.

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    2. I think it was always a seasonal route, maybe an exception here and there.

      I am sad they suspended CPH-BEG though.

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