Friday, September 29, 2017

Air Canada Rouge to launch Zagreb flights


Air Canada Rouge will commence seasonal summer flights between Toronto and Zagreb next year, becoming the second airline to serve the route. Air Canada's leisure unit will inaugurate operations to the Croatian capital on June 2, with flights to run four times per week, each Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday departing Toronto, until October 6. The airline will untilise its 282-seat Boeing 767-300ER aircraft on the route, boasting 24 seats in Premium Rouge (business) and the remaining 258 seats in economy class. The new arrival is a big coup for Zagreb Airport which will have more than one airline maintaining services to Toronto for the first time since the early 1990s, when both Air Canada and JAT Yugoslav Airlines operated flights between the two cities.

Tickets for the new Toronto - Zagreb service are already on sale with return fares starting from 615 euros. Furthermore, passengers will be able to connect onto other Air Canada mainline flights under a single ticket. Air Canada Rouge was launched four years ago as the leisure offshoot of Canada's national carrier. It currently operates a fleet of 49 aircraft and has carried more than sixteen million customers since 2013. Its Premium Rouge class allows passengers to check-in two bags weighing up to 32 kilograms, lounge access and has a 2-2-2 seating configuration. The economy class cabin features a 2-3-2 layout, although passengers can purchase additional legroom seats for a fee. The airline is in the process of rolling out on board Wi-Fi across its fleet, with the installation process expected to be completed by the end of 2018.

Croatia Airlines currently codeshares on a number of Air Canada's flights and vice versa, with the partnership between the two Star Alliance carriers strengthened this April. The Canadian airline now has its "AC" designator code on Croatia Airlines' flights from Zagreb to Amsterdam, Brussels, Copenhagen, London Heathrow, Paris and Zurich, as well as from Dubrovnik to Paris and Rome, from Split to London, Paris, Rome and Zurich, and from Rijeka to London. In return, the Croatian carrier codeshares on Air Canada's services from Toronto to Amsterdam, Copenhagen, London, Paris and Zurich, from Montreal to Brussels, London and Paris, as well as from Calgary, Halifax and Vancouver to London.

Air Canada Rouge economy class cabin

Air Canada Rouge will compete directly against Air Transat on the route, which launched flights to Zagreb last year. Air Transat will maintain services to the Croatian capital on Tuesdays and Sundays next summer, meaning both it and Air Canada Rouge will have a flight each on the second day of the week. Air Transat itself is increasing its operations on the route in 2018 by further extending its flying season. It will resume services between the two cities on May 15, some two weeks ahead of this year, while the second weekly flight will commence on June 3, which is also two weeks in advance of this year.

Further flight details for Air Canada Rouge's new Toronto - Zagreb service can be found here.

175 comments:

  1. Amazing news for consumers. Zagreb will benefit from 6 weekly flights to Toronto next year with many connections throughout Canada as well as the USA and the Caribbean. Canadian consumers will also benefit Croatia Airlines´ network both within Croatia and the region. Good to see Air Canada back in ZAG. Welcome!

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  2. This will hurt Air Transat quite a bit since Rouge is a much better choice.

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    1. True. It offers connections, Star Alliance miles, will be more appealing to business travellers

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    2. Remember that Air Transat sells packaged holidays. So when a family buts a holiday package to Croatia they will fly with Air Transat. But it will definitely impact them. Direct competition.

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    3. Demand is there for both carriers.

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    4. Indirectly I think it will have more of an impact on Lufthansa. All of these new airlines starting ZAG are having an impact on LH which has cut capacity to ZAG this summer. They have been sending Bombardiers more often than not.

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    5. does rouge have a proper business class?

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    6. It's the same as Air Transat. Basically premium economy.

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    7. its pure leissure airline suitable for the diaspora

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  3. Why can't they make it year-round with some dead periods like November or February? I am sure there is a market in March, December, April and May.

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    1. +100

      It's great to see Zagreb get these long hauls but can they do something to secure them to be year long flights? None of them are. Some incentives for winter or something. This way they are just making the airport more and more seasonal.

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    2. I think Air Canada could be next, if the route works. Congrats!

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    3. No. As long as Transat is around, AC will not come.

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    4. And who said Air Transat is here to stay?

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    5. The Croatian market and its booming demand? Slowly but surely HR is becoming one of Europe's top destination. More to come.

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    6. All of this does seem to me like testing the waters for the AC to start year-round flights.
      Congratulations Zagreb!

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    1. not sure, I would say its expensive!

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    2. hahahahaha that was a good one!

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    3. At the height of the summer season it's not that bad.

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    4. It is more than a good price for a diret flight!

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    5. when you see what the flights to the USA cost at the moment its not cheap

      Toronto: ZAG-YYZ with KLM at the moment 479€, LH 483€ and so on and on

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    6. yeah, that's the price from Zagreb to YYZ, try to find something good from YYZ to ZAG and you will se the price, it's crazy! This is great for people from Canada because price is around 900CAD for return flight, average is around 1200CAD with KLM, BA, LH or AF.

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    7. The prices from US/CA are always higher than the one from Europe. The fare structure is like that. The cheapest ticket from ZAG TO YYZ is 3500HRK/460EUR. Even 100EUR more is a very good price for direct flight. Commodity always cost more.

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  5. Bravo Hrvatsko! Zaggy is on fire!
    How many Croatians live in Canada?

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    1. Not enough to sustain a flight like this. But there are 35 million potential tourists.

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  6. Wow, 6 weekly YYZ ZAG flights with 2 Carriers. Not bad
    Congrats to ZAG

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    1. I hoped Air Canada wold be come to Zagreb by 2020, but 2018, is rather good surprise.

      Also, now the Air Canada is here, we don't need link to NYC, transfers @Toronto perfectly fine. I have chronic phobia towards US carriers. Don't want to see them anywhere near Zagreb.

      Next carriers I hope arrive soon, in next few years, say before 2020.

      EasyJet
      SAS
      Vueling adding Valencia, Seville, Malaga
      Alitalia - Milan, Rome
      Air Transat - Vancuver and Montreal (end Toronto)
      Air India - seasonal Mumbai or Delhi
      Singapore Airlines - Singapore
      JAL/ANA, either - Tokyo and Osaka by 2025
      Air China/Southern/Eastern, either - Beijing, Shanghai by 2025
      Korean Air - Seoul/Inchon either airport.
      FlyBe - Edinburgh,
      Norwegian - Bergen, Oslo and going daily Stockholm and Copenhagen
      Air Baltic/Nordica - Riga, Vilnius, Tallinn - seasonal at first, twice or three times per week.
      Czech Airlines - year round service
      Iberia - year round Barcelona and Madrid
      TAP - returning - Lisbon
      Monarch - Adding Birmingham and Leeds

      and all the airlines that are coming next year, Transavia, Voltea and few others mentioned on this blog.

      Things are looking up









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    2. "I have phobia towards US carriers"...why??????? Is this something personal?

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    3. Most if not all US carriers have terrible service issues, I work in US a lot and experience with the carriers leaves me dreading NYC-SFO flight.

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    4. I experienced the same route. It was ok. Nothing special, but ok.

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    5. So, because you have bad experience with US carriers, they should stay away from Zagreb? Like Zagreb is in position to turn down big players? Get real.

      Also, get real with all these projections in the next 2 years.

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    6. Imagine all that carriers mentioned above landing in ZAG with the same staff number and handling service... This airport can't handle 5 flights in the evening at the same time. It is going to be interested to watch departure od AC to YYZ, LH to FRA, OS to VIE and 6-8 OU flights at the same time (arround 06:00UTC) with 2 or 3 INA.

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    7. US carriers suck, but phobia?? Otherwise...what @frishki sad.

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  7. Hopefully Croatia Airlines will start codesharing on these flights.

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    1. lol did you read the article at all?

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    2. I did. It says they codeshare on certain AC flights and the destinations are listed. But I am referring to this particular flight.

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    3. They will. AC will also place its Codes on flights within Croatia and the region.

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  8. They will. AC will also place its Codes on flights within Croatia and the region.

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  9. Good news ! Someone here called it a week or two ago.
    Connections are key advantage !

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    1. I did, some people laughed.

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  10. What's the service like? Anyone flown them?

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    1. Not really good. Seats are cramped, F/As seem unhappy and tired. They were also sloppy and unprofessional. I wouldn´t fly them again tbh. Their prices are competitive tho.

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  11. Maybe a chance for Air Transat to look into Dubrovnik.

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  12. Wow. Amazing ZAG - I think we now can see which airport is becoming the hub of the Balkans. Congratulations. I’m predicting JFK then SEL and then China as next long haul routes to start ZAG

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    1. Credit is deserved. But in order to become a hub you have to have more than 6 weekly summer flights to Toronto and 10 charters to Seoul per year.

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    2. Yes! You have to have the likes of BA, AF, KL, EK, SN, LH, OS, QR, TK, KE and many more .

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    3. Anon 9.36AM Thanks!

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    4. Anon 09.36 yeah but the catch is for those to fly more than daily on a year-round basis which is something some of them don't do.

      Newsflash: both ATH, SOF and IST are in the Balkans. You have a LOT of catching up to do.

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    5. ...like starting by having an airline which offers real transfers and flies anywhere east of Mostar.

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    6. East of Mostar, like Skopje, Priština, Osijek and Sarajevo? Or like Athens, Tel Aviv, Bucharest?

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    7. Like Athens, Tel Aviv and Bucharest on a year round basis without any stops on the way there.

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    8. So, real airline is the one who have Athens, Tel Aviv and Bucharest all year round? Others are not?

      LOL!

      Same logic: the real airline is the one having Lisbon, Barcelona and Munich all year round without any stop.

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    9. OU does not fly to Barcelona or Lisbon year round.

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    10. Forget OTP, OU doesn't even fly to SVO or ARN in winter. On top of that they are reducing flights to MUC and FRA.

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  13. Nice work guys :) Congrats from BEG.

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    1. Thnx! Fingers crossed for another long haul from Belgrade soon. Cheers from Zagreb!

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  14. look at the seats...cattle airline, would wish something more premium for such a long fllight

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    1. Me too! I wish a business Class service but please for 400€ return.

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    2. Hahaha, this is just the begining, Air Canada is next after testing the market... More exciting news for ZAG soon...

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    3. seats remind me of AirAsia X...

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    4. Wow. You all talk like you fly premium classes.

      99% of you and people are looking for the cheaper price. They will survive couple of inch shorter leg space.

      And do you call the passengers that fly such airlines - cattle? Classy.

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  15. if only OU had better connections it could feed the rest of YU easily.

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    1. SJJ, SKP, SPU, DBV, ZAD, PUY, BWK and PRN

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    2. PRN two weekly you call good connections?

      check transfer times for SKP and tell me if they are competitive ;)

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    3. This is a price sensitive market and that's where this connection will work just fine. AC-OU will crush others like the unreasonably expensive OS.

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    4. By time-table you can have connectivity better than 2 flights per day on most connecting flights to Air Serbia JFK route, especially on winter.

      Anonymous 9:39, you forgot OSI

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    5. Especially in winter? What has that got to do with anything when AC will fly only in summer, and not the whole summer season but just June to October.

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    6. It is about connectivity and answer was on question if there is any connected passengers with 2pw flights. If not, than on Air Serbia JFK flight during winter there are almost no connectivity as most of feeding routes are connected 2pw or less.

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    7. Seems like there is enough p2p passengers from BEG to JFK to fill that A332 throughout the year. I think it was published on here that ASL's JFK flight is always over 70% full outside the busy periods which is great.

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    8. Works out pretty good for air Serbia's Belgrade morning service

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  16. bravo hrvatska, što bi se reklo ovde

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  17. I am excited that we are getting a new airline but I must say it would be better if it were a different destination since we already have Toronto. But anyway good news.

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  18. Nice to see the maple leaf back in Zagreb!

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  19. New York is next, believe it or not!

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    1. Croatia Airlines, A319, business configuration! ;) haha jk!

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    2. with Dubai 7pw
      and Toronto 6pw
      be sure that JFK is next. 3 times more tourists then from Canada.

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    3. EWR is more likely. If ever ZAG -NYC is materialized. AA and DL code share chance is very limited out of ZAG. However, NYC is premium destination. Condor could fly seasonal ZAG - US secondary city.

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  20. Little by little but the positive news regarding ZAG keep coming. This is just the start for AC in ZAG. They can always add more flights, and extend to yearly flights in the future if the route does well.

    Now we need to wait for a US airline to also launch ZAG, plus there is a very good chance EK will also fly over the pond.

    Korean is just a matter of time before they launch regualar service.

    A Chinese, and Japanese full service is also destined to come.

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  21. Great news! Guys there will be more for S18!! :)

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    1. If you know what it is why don't you say.

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    2. Generally you are not allowed to publish something like that before everything is done.

      There is few negotiations between MZLZ and some carriers (not all of them from intercontinental destinations) and they are in final stage.

      It is stupid to publish something if everything is not done and that already happen to much times so now when someone said that we will have, for example, NYC next year, we will all laugh here because we heard that too many times and nothing realized yet.

      So, let's wait for official announcement from carriers, it gonna happen this winter :)

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    3. What about LA flight?

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  22. I think AC's scheduling is generally better than Air Transat's on this route.

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  23. Youngest Air Canada Rouge B763 is 15 years old while the oldest is 26.5. That's not such a great thing when compared to Transat's nice A333s.

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    1. Ait Transat has 9 abreast economy class, with 333Y and 12W seats. It's an absolute horror. Just to compare Air Serbia has a total of 254 seats onboard the same AC.

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    2. Irrelivent, some one flying to Croatia couldnt care less about the seating on JU.

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    3. He was just using it as a point of comparison. No need to bite.

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    4. Have you guys flown on a B763? The cabin is relatively small and Rouge has many seats packed in it. I think Transat with its larger plane will actually offer a better product, despite the sardine can configuration.

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    5. Transat definitely has a better looking product, plus they have IFE

      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dtGZqsb6rdQ/VeitnjDps6I/AAAAAAAATKg/bile_RH21I0/s1600/164463.jpg

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    6. Next stop AC 787 Dreamliner.congratulations ZAG.

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    7. AC Rouge also has some form of IFE. It has a hotspot from which you can stream content to your own device but they charge for it. But there are no TVs in seats like in Air Transat.

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    8. Wait... AC Rouge charges for the streaming of its online content? :O

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    9. There are TV in seats in Air Canada Rouge.

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    10. Nope, there are none:

      https://picload.org/image/rgpodoor/air-canada-rouge-montreal-canc.jpg

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    11. Yes. It used be arpund $5 when they started 4 years ago. Probably more now.

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  24. OU need to launch a double daily to Tivat from Zagreb just to add preasure.

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    1. There is no market for those flights.

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  25. Lovely. Great way to end the working week.

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  26. Amazing. I see Air Transat changing either from Montreal or a different CAN city to ZAG or they go from Toronto to SPU or DBV.
    AC will go year round at some point when they already start 4pw. Matter of time.

    However I wish it wouldn't have been again Toronto.

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    1. It is Toronto because there is demand. They could have flown a different pair but with less demand no good idea.

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  27. TS should now try to connect YYZ and SPU via ZAG.

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    1. I think they should have left ZAG one weekly and introduced one weekly to Dubrovnik as well.

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  28. Good news. They offer much more connections in Canada then Air Transat.

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  29. And to think that Sky Greece Airlines was the first to show all these companies that there is demand for these flights :D

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    1. Alen Šćuric PurgerSeptember 29, 2017 at 11:10 AM

      Not true. JAT and Air Canada during 1980's were the first.

      Than SkyService with 2 flights per week for 2 seasons (stop because of bankruptcy of company).

      So SkyGreece was 4th company in that route in last 25 years.

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    2. I meant since the break-up of yugo.

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    3. Alen Šćuric PurgerSeptember 29, 2017 at 12:02 PM

      Still SkyService was the first.

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    4. Jesus the guy was making a joke, take a chill pill.

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  30. Will be interesting to see how the LH group will respond to this.

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    1. Lufty's monopoly in ZAG is coming to a long awaited end.

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    2. Lufthansa never had a monopoly in Zagreb. Anyway Lufthansa has anti trust immunity with its Star Partners across the North-Atlantic. They set common prices and share revenues across the Atlantic. This joint venture is called A++. So LH will not really suffer ;)

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    3. https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/company/alliances/joint-ventures.html

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  31. How many Canadian tourists came to Croatia last year?

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    1. Canada
      2010 - 42.000
      2011 - 49.000
      2012 - 55.000
      2013 - 66.000
      2014 - 79.000
      2015 - 95.000
      2016 - 111.000
      2017 (end of August) +20%

      Also to point out, US visitors
      2010 - 133.000
      2011 - 151.000
      2012 - 173.000
      2013 - 220.000
      2014 - 256.000
      2015 - 317.000
      2016 - 337.000
      2017 (end of August) +35%

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    2. Over 100 thousand.

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  32. Svaka cast komsije ! :) Tako se dovode razlicite svetske avio kompanije. Isto tako moze i u beogradu, zaista ima potencijala, ali kad imate nesposobno rukovodstvo..jos politicki vodjeno....

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    1. Не фантазирај, у протеклих годину и по дана добили смо Њујорк и Пекинг. За аеродром величине Београда то је одличан успех.

      Друго, као што си и сам могао да видиш Ер Кадана има маторе авионе, скоро па исто годиште као Ер Србијини Атрови.

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    2. Kako su isti godište? Air Serbia 737-300 je stara 31,7 godina, ATR-ovi 28 godina, kada se dodaju ovi u lizingu 22 godine. Kako je to isto?

      Uostalom Zagreb kao bitno manji aerodrom imat će iduće godine 14 letova tjedno sa širkotrupcima, Beograd samo 7. To je 100% više.

      Mislim da je ovdje beogradski management ozbiljno, ali ozbiljno zaglibio.

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    3. Па сам си рекао, просечна старост Атр-ова код ЈУ је 22 година а канадски Б763 имају просечну старост 20 година. Значи разлика је свега две године.

      Нико није ни споменуо Боинге. Ако ћемо и њих да убацимо у рачуницу онда треба и Ербасеве.

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    4. Додао бих да ће можда Загреб имати више широкотрупних авиона али ће зато Београд имати скоро 6 милиона путника.

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    5. Beograd će ove godine imati 6 miliona putnika? Aha... shure. A posebno nakon ovih mega-rezanja po zimi. Ako bude imao 5,4 milijuna bit će dobro.

      Ukupna starost flote Air Serbie je 18,4 godine (20 zrakoplova)

      Air Canade Rouge 17,8 godina (49 zrakoplova).

      Dakle, kada pljuješ po Air Canadi Rouge pljuješ i po svojoj nacionalnoj kompaniji

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    6. To sto je napisao odnosi se na sledecu godinu. Beograd ce imati oko 5,4 miliona ove godine a zbog cega tebe to pogadja pitaj boga. Ja npr ne omalovazavam ni uspeh Zagreba, ni Splita, ni Dubrovnika pa ni drugih aerodroma po Hrvatskoj ali mi se cini da ti imas neku potrebu od starta da omalovazavas Beograd.

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    7. Ово нема везе са старошћу авиона. Текст од 3 јула каже да је на Ер Србији и Ер Канади да се нагоде око летова, и да интерес постоји. Шта се онда десило? Да ли је Загреб понудио много боље услове Ер Канади? Да ли је Ер Србија рекла да она ускоро планира лет за Торонто? Коме је било у интересу да Ер Канада не лети за Београд?

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    8. Nisam uopšte u nacionalističkim vodama ali ovo kad se prave da ne razumeju lepo šta piše na ćirilici mi je presmešno, pa u čemu je poenta? Gde on reče "ove godine"? Ioanko sve vreme pričamo o sledećoj ako se ne varam (?), a tad hoće sigurno

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    9. U tekstu pise da prvo mora da se sklopi medjudrzavni sporazum a to jos nije uradjeno. Pregovori traju vec godinu dana. Nije mi jasno sta je tu tako komplikovano da dodje do dogovora.

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    10. July 3rd: "The agreement will pave way for negotiations to start between Air Serbia and Air Canada. Their representatives have to determine how many flights there should be and what would be the most profitable solution"

      "it will be up to Air Serbia, Air Canada and some other carriers who may or may not be interested in operating this route. With the signing of the agreement, which will hopefully occur very soon, there is potential for this service and the interest is already there".

      What happened there?

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    11. @Anon 3:15

      Koja strana usporava ili blokira potpis medjudrzavnog sporazuma?

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    12. Air service agreement between Serbia and Canada still not signed.

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    13. What's the sticking point? It was announced as almost negotiated in early July.

      Air Canada Rouge announced new routes last year on Sep 28 and did the same this year on exact same date, so the sense of urgency was on Air Canada side. Air Serbia announced their JFK flight much later in the season, so if that's any indication, they were not rushing.

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    14. I don't think anyone minds you writing in cyrillic, just take into account that kids in Croatia were not taught the script since the early 1990s. And some of those kids are now 37 yo. So it's more often than not that people in Croatia cannot read cyrillic.

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    15. So why should you expect Serbs, Bosnians, Macedonians... to understand all Croatian words on here? Why not just stick to English which is the official language of the blog. If Croats should feel at ease writing in their tongue then Serbs, Macedonians, Bosnians and Montenegrins should feel free to use their official script.

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    16. Of course they should feel free to use it, but you shouldn't get offended if somebody tells you that young people in Croatia don't read cyrillic script. This is totally understandable.

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    17. That's not an issue, the problem is that people get attacked the moment they don't use Latin script, that's not ok.

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    18. If Air Serbia wanted to initiate Toronto route in 2018 or 2019, it would be in their interest if Air Canada didn't start BEG route or if bilateral is not ready.

      If Air Serbia didn't want to initiate YYZ route but Air Canada did, there would be two implications for Air Serbia. One is that JU/AC would be unlikely (based on other Rouge TATL routes) and that would mean AC and UA would offer one-stop connection to BEG from most of North America. That would negatively affect JU JFK-BEG route. Second implication on YYZ-BEG traffic is that JU carries a lot of European leg passengers from partners like AF/KL/AZ and AC nonstop YYZ-BEG would take some of that traffic away.

      Therefore every scenario ends with negative impact on Air Serbia. If there was interest in delaying Serbia-Canada bilateral, every scenario points to (Air) Serbia for delay. You think I am wrong? Then bring up scenarios where Air Serbia would benefit from already signed bilateral

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    19. The thing is that I doubt any airline is interested in linking Belgrade and Toronto. That's why JU doesn't really mind the agreement being signed.

      That said, JU is planning a new long-haul destination (yes, with one aircraft).

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    20. Ambassador said that interest is there. Six flights per week with competing airlines to ZAG vs zero to BEG does not accurately reflect market demand. Rouge going Air Transat in Europe is not the correct explanation for ZAG service, as TS serves Malaga, Lamezia and other destinations without Rouge going after the same destination.

      Additional factors that deflected decision away from BEG are almost palpable. Could have been airport fees, incentives and so on. Route could have been launched under "pending government approval" banner if remaining paperwork was the only obstacle. Anyway, reasons will be flushed out over time.

      Good luck JU with new A330 destination, I am almost sure what it is.

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  33. Which one is better? Rouge or Transat, service wise I mean. I know there are people living in Canada that visit the site so I assume some of you have traveled on both.

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    1. They are more or less the same but Transat offers a better hard product. Air Canada has limited IFE and really old B767s.

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  34. For those who are cheering about AC Rouge here are some comparisons:

    Air Canada Rouge B767-300

    Legroom: 30
    Seat width: 17.5

    219 standard seats with 3 recline.

    Air Transat A330-300

    Legroom: 32-33
    Seat width: 17

    363 standard seats

    So besides the AC brand (kind of) being there, AC Rouge brings no improvement to the ZAG market, quite the opposite.

    Air Transat will be uneffected by this development.

    Average age of the fleet sent to ZAG:

    Air Transat: 16 years
    Air Canada Rouge: 20 years

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    1. Alen Šćuric PurgerSeptember 29, 2017 at 1:11 PM

      The biggest advantages Air Canada Rouge compere to Air Transat has are:

      - feeding route from SPU, DBV, SJJ, SKP, ZAD, PUY, OSI, PRN, VIE, by Croatia Airlines via ZAG

      - feeding route from more than 100 destinations in Canada, USA, and Central America via YYZ

      - brand

      - same standard of service on flights as Air Canada (food, drinks, luggage, entertainment, business lounge and other privileges for upper class)

      - support in case cancellation or huge delays where passengers can be reroute to Croatia/Lufthansa/Austrian/Swiss/Brussels/LOT/Turkish/SAS and than connected via lot of hubs where Air Canada or Star Alliance partner has flights to Canada (OTP, ATH, IST, VIE, ZRH, MUC, FRA, CPH, WAW, PRG ARN, HEL, OSL, AMS, BRU, LHR, CDG, MAD, BCN, LIS, MPX, FCO)

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    2. Have you actually bothered to look at the connectivity? The flight arrives at 07.30 while the first domestic flight departs at 11.05 to SPU and then at 11.40 to DBV. Other destinations don't even have daily departures in the afternoon meaning that passengers will have to spend a whole dat in ZAG. Why should they do that when OS or TK offer a much better product and better connections.

      No, the standard of service is far from being the same given that AC Rouge charges for pretty much anything and it doesn't even have a seatback IFE.

      On top of that RV operates ancient aircraft with a relatively bad product. Their only selling point is higher number of flights than Transat and maybe lower fares.

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    3. I think LH will remain the main player on the market between Canada and the Croatian coast. Here's why:

      YYZ-FRA 18.25-08.00 (LH)
      FRA-SPU 09.25-11.05

      YYZ-FRA 21.40-11.10 (AC)
      FRA-SPU 12.05-13.45

      RV's ZAG flight will be there for those heading to Zagreb and continental Croatia.

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    4. Could we expect Croatia to start Belgrade flights now?

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    5. No, they couldn't compete with Air Serbia for the p2p passengers and then they would also fail when compared to connecting possibilities via CDG, AMS, FRA, MUC...

      This ZAG flight is there just for the locals and connecting passengers travelling via Toronto.

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    6. If we look at the schedule then we can see that Air Canada Rouge doesn't care about connecting possibilities in ZAG but in YYZ. Their flight times have horrendous connectivity in ZAG but a great one on the other side.

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    7. add to it the OU also dont care much about connecting possibilities. Ironically, I advise you to read Purger's article about non-existing waves in OU's schedule at tango6.

      Last thing, ZAG-SJJ and ZAG -SKP both depart between 14.10-14.50 (7 hours transfer time!!!)

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    8. Guys...

      http://www.airlinequality.com/airline-reviews/air-canada-rouge/

      "The Air Canada Rouge Boeing 767-300ER carries 71 more passengers than most regular Air Canada Boeing 767-300ER aircraft, with 282 seats. Of these 223 are economy, 35 Rouge Plus and 24 Premium Rouge. The 29-inch seat pitch is one of the smallest in North America, resulting in less leg room than on most other comparable aircraft."

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    9. OU could have benefited from this flight quite a bit, they could have even helped in making it year-round. They won't be able to catch any serious connections on their own end.

      At the end of the day, both ZAG and OU will be overshadowed by MUC, VIE, OS and LH.

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    10. Btw why is Croatia's code "OU"?

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    11. @AnonymousSeptember 29, 2017 at 2:27 PM

      No, cause Air Serbia dominates the route, demand is not there for OU to justify taking one plane just to serve Belgrade.

      Once OU expands the fleet to 16 or 20 aircraft in near future, service to Belgrade is possible or even probable.

      However, this won't happen before 2020.

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    12. Where will OU find the money in order to expand its fleet to 16 or 20 aircraft?

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    13. :D :D :D good one last Anon!

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    14. Air canada rouge will lend them some once they pass the 30 years mark ;) They're almost there.

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    15. The real question is if by that time they will have anything left to sell so as to finance their operations?

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  35. They are launching OTP as well

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  36. I flew AC Rouge in August from DUB to YYZ. The crew is very young, 20s. No free drinks, no seat screen, one gets a free meal though. Aircraft is a bit older, 2-3-2 configuration. No business, but there is premium economy. IFE is through their downloaded app. Awful selection of movies, nothing even remotely interested. Perhaps the best one was Sex and the City episodes from 18 years ago.

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  37. they should add SKP as a tag on. TAV is going to be very happy about it

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  38. Thanks for this announcement ! Of course I will try it....but by Air Canada Rouge you need to pay for entertaiment..... I read this somewhere...i think on the Skyscanner app, where you have infos of your flight(plane,food,configuration etc.)

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  39. Bravo Zagreb, bravo Croatia!
    Which global company will decide to launch flights from/to Ljubljana?
    Air Koryo?

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  40. Zagreb need a flight to Los Angeles!

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