Thursday, November 2, 2017

Air Serbia plans Toronto service in 2018


Air Serbia intends on launching flights to Toronto as its second long haul service, sources inside the Serbian government have confirmed to the daily "Večernje novosti". It comes after the company said it was mulling its second far-away destination after New York. According to the newspaper, preparations for the new route are underway and in the advanced planning stages, however, there is still a lot of work to be done and the carrier still needs to be granted regulatory approval. Prior to that, the two countries must sign a renewed bilateral Air Service Agreement, which has been in the works for some time. The Serbian carrier is relying on the Serbian diaspora, as well as travellers from the region for the route's success. The airline is expected to continue operating flights to New York, as well as the potential Toronto service, with its sole 254-seat Airbus A330-200 aircraft.

Air Serbia itself has not confirmed the exact new destination it is considering launching as part of its possible long haul expansion. In a statement issued earlier this week, the carrier noted, "We are working on a complete analysis and we are seriously considering all aspects. A final decision on the potential introduction of a new transcontinental service will be made in the coming period". The airline added that a large part of the analysis has already been completed, but that the new destination will be made public after it finalises all necessary procedures, which, it says, is "serious and complex". "It is a complex project which takes several months and does not depend solely on us, but also on regulatory authorities since all procedures must be harmonised with the laws and regulations of the country we fly to", Air Serbia said.

Serbia and Canada have expressed joint interest in re-establishing flights between their two countries after almost a decade, with the two finalising an Air Service Agreement which will regulate future operations. The Serbian Foreign Minister, Ivica Dačić, said earlier this year, "The agreement will pave way for negotiations to start between Air Serbia and Air Canada. Their representatives have to determine how many flights there should be and what would be the most profitable solution. However, there is no doubt that the introduction of nonstop flights to Canada would be extremely important for our citizens and country". The outgoing Canadian Ambassador to Serbia, Philip Pinnington, noted, "We have been negotiating a new Air Service Agreement with Serbia for some time and we are very close to signing it. Of course, it will be up to Air Serbia, Air Canada and some other carriers who may or may not be interested in operating this route. With the signing of the agreement, which will hopefully occur very soon, there is potential for this service and the interest is already there". He added, "We would really like for flights to commence and I am certain Canadian Serbs would want it too as they have fond memories of JAT's nonstop service".

Flights between Belgrade and Canada operated during the 1970s and 1980s with JAT Yugoslav Airlines maintaining services to Toronto and Montreal. In 2007, leisure carrier Skyservice commenced scheduled operations from Canada's largest city to the Serbian capital, but the airline suspended all operations and declared bankruptcy later on. Currently, travellers from Canada to Serbia are transferring through a number of European cities to reach Belgrade. Air Serbia’s predecessor, Jat Airways, conducted a study in late 2005 based on which it estimated it could carry up to 83.000 passengers to Toronto on an annual basis. The airline anticipated an average cabin load factor of 74% on a Boeing 767 and believed the flights would appeal primarily to diaspora travellers, as well as transfer passengers from the former Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, western Romania, southern Hungary and the Middle East. Presently, Zagreb is the only city in the former Yugoslavia linked with Canada through Air Transat's seasonal two weekly service from Toronto, which will be further strengthened next year with the introduction of an additional new four weekly seasonal flights operated by Air Canada Rouge.

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    1. haha I thought it´s gonna be Rio :)

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    2. ...and here I was hoping for that MEX flight. ;)

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  2. Vidla zaba da se konj potkiva, pa i ona digla nogu, jel...

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    1. Pa ono, i ne baš. Tog vašeg konja drugi potkivaju, a ova žaba sama skače.

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    2. Који коњ? Која жаба? Не мислиш ваљда на линије које су најављене из Загреба? О Торонту се прича већ 20 година тако да је ово само реализација неких ранијих планова.

      На крају крајева, Ер Србија има авион, има тржиште и ово је крајње реално решење. Зашто наша огромна дијаспора да лети преко Франкфурта или Минхена ако може директно.

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    3. videli smo trziste za JFK ... a da ne pricamo o troskovima

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    4. Trziste za JFK je sasvim solidno. Pogledaj im mesecni load factor na liniji. Objavljen je ovde skoro.

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    5. @Anonymous 9:08
      Čak ni konj nije njihov...

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    6. Does Croatia have exclusive rights for flights to Canada or what?

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    7. Nazad dobra vest!! Radujem se jako letovima za YYZ! Kad bi ljudi znali samo koliko nasih putnika se transferuje za Toronto preko CPH, AMS, CDG i LHR omda bi shvatili zasto je ovo odlicna vest xa kompaniju!

      E sad Toronto jeste drugi ili prvi najskuplji aerodrom za landing fees ali to je vec posao za ljude koji se bave finansijama pa neka oni procene kako misle da je najbolje!

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    8. Solidno u sezoni je mozda, javi mi kakav je LF u 11. Ili npr 2. Mjesecu ;) a ono sto me jos vise zanima, je li linija profitabilna, unatoc odlicnom LF koji, kako cujem, konkurira LF-u na British-ovoj liniji LHR-JFK ( niti nemoze drugacije kad je trziste na te dvije linije gotovo isto)

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    9. There is a free skies agreement between Canada and the EU.

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    10. 9:22 Absolutley not. If you can't see, we are speaking here about the differences between 'political' routes, and those opened because there is a real (not imaginary) market and interest ;)

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    11. Yes and I am sure you have data on market and interest.

      I asked because I notice that mostly Croats are annoyed by this news. So just to check.

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    12. I am actually sure this has something to do with Croatia. From the moment a second Canadian airline opened Croatia i was sure in Serbia they're gonna feel the pressure "they've got to do something about it". While not being the worst option, especially in the light of New York not delivering financially, i find it extremely stupid that such things motivate them. Instead of competing and reacting to what happens with Aegean or LO does, they react to what happens in ZAG (then there's OU that never reacts to anything so there's always worse). Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

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    13. LOL yeah right. Bring yourself to the ground. Preparations started long before Air Canada even announced it would start flights to Zagreb. Renegotiation of the bilateral between Serbia and Canada started in 2016. Even last year Hogan said Air Serbia would start Toronto or Chicago in 2 years.

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    14. 10:13, ok, negotiations started before AC announced flights, but the fact is, negotiations started after Air Transat started to fly to ZAG ;)

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    15. 10.13, ok, preparations started after ZAG got Air Transat. 10.10 you need to be more specific :)

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    16. And Hogan announced Toronto before Air Transat started flights. It is obvious from the start, like they said, that for the first route they were choosing between Toronto, New York and Chicago and they decided first on New York. It is logical that they would choose one of the remaining two for their next destination. Sorry to burst the bubble but it has nothing to do with Zagreb. Same way a future flight between Zagreb and New York will have nothing to do with Air Serbia.

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    17. Several long-haul destinations were on the table from day 1.

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    18. I love it how some people think the world revolves around ZAG :D

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    19. If not for Air Transat in ZAG we wouldn't see this in the next two years.

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    20. Yep sure. Air Transat has absolutely no effect on the Serbian or any other ex-Yu market which Air Serbia is going for except for Croatia. Macedonians, Albanians, Serbians and Montenegrins are not flying to Zagreb to catch Air Transat's flight.

      And in fact you can read that at the first press conference Air Serbia held in August 2013 they said their plan is to launch US and Canada flights in 3 years. I'm sure they had a crystal ball and saw Air Transat flying to Zagreb.

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    21. There are more chances of Serbs going to BUD to catch a flight to Canada than to ZAG. That's the simple reality and some on here should finally embrace it.

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    22. Isto i za Cikago i Njujork. Sve zavisi od LOTa. Za sto jura ce ljudi da se guraju 5 sati u kombiju.

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    23. I don't think it has much to do with Zagreb but with the entire region getting better links to Canada. Apart from the fact that Toronto has been on their radar since the start.

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    24. I think it's hilarious how everyone says that BEG is getting flights because of ZAG yet no one says that ZAG got theirs because of VIE or BUD. lol

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    25. My relatives and cousins will use the line first if it opens. They don't like transferring and don't know English well :D
      It's just safer to put a grandma onto a direct flight :D

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    26. people here need to realize that ZAG will never be able to catch up to BEG in any aspect.. Not 30 years ago and not in 30 years.

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    27. Anon 5.36pm
      I wouldn’t put a cash bet on your prediction - at all!

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  3. Where is HotLane now who announced that JFK will be going daily, anotehr two desitnations added and a second A332 joining the fleet?

    Like I posted the other day, New York will be reduced to three weekly to make room for either YYZ or ORD.

    Air Serbia has failed to position itself as a transfer carrier on the JFK market so now they are looking for ways to exclusively carry diaspora.

    Maybe Dane will soon announce a one weekly BEG-YYZ-ORD-BEG. lol

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    1. Classic Anon 9.05.
      Let’s keep our fingers crossed for a weekly BEG - DXB - SIN - MEL - SYD rotation

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    2. Evo me tu sam i dalje se priča da bi do kraja 2018 JFK išao 7 puta nedeljno i ostale 2 destinacije 2 i 3 puta nedeljno. Da nije AB bankrotirao verovatno se ne bi išlo na drugi 330 u floti ali stvari su se promenile. I opet ti kažem to su priče koje se čuju u HDQ AS ali naravno ja nisam nikakav direktor niti CEO da znam eksluzivne i tačne vesti. Ti ako si toliko zao i bezobrazan možeš da to zadržiš za sebe.

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    3. Sada cvrkuces kada se ispostavilo da pises ovde potpuno neosnovane stvari. Svojevremeno si I ti bio jako, jako drzak.

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    4. Evo me tu sam i dalje se priča da bi do kraja 2018 JFK išao 7 puta nedeljno i ostale 2 destinacije 2 i 3 puta nedeljno. Da nije AB bankrotirao verovatno se ne bi išlo na drugi 330 u floti ali stvari su se promenile. I opet ti kažem to su priče koje se čuju u HDQ AS ali naravno ja nisam nikakav direktor niti CEO da znam eksluzivne i tačne vesti. Ti ako si toliko zao i bezobrazan možeš da to zadržiš za sebe.

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    5. Hot Line nemaš baš nikakvog kredibiliteta ovdje. Ni malo. Mijenjaj nick, jel ovdje se samo sramotiš!

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    6. Ja se nisam još osramotio ali vi koji menjate imena naravno jeste. Zadnji komentar sam dao u početku septembra i to u vezi vesti da dolazi nova destinacija i to je to. A ti samo pljuješ po svemu pozitivnom jel nemaš ništa bolje u životu.

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  4. Great day for the tax payers!
    Another loss making political route will be paid by us....

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    1. It's the same plane. Virtually no additional expenses incurred to the concerned taxpayers compared to the current arrangement.

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    2. This might actually be good news for taxpayers. By adding Toronto they might actually reduce their long-haul losses.

      Air Serbia doesn't have the regional network to offer convenient connections so why not concentrate more on VFR traffic?

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    3. VFR traffic is extremely orice sensitive and seasonal.
      This means low yields for these flights and therefore big losses for the airline.

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    4. First of all, we don't know how low yielding the market between Serbia and Canada is.
      With two weekly frequencies they could get enough passengers willing to pay more to avoid connecting somewhere in Europe. In my opinion, New York was an overkill in that regard. Three weekly is much bette.

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    5. Political route...? Sure, if you consider the Toronto area having a large Serbian and Southeast European community to political in and of itself

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  5. I wonder if they will fly it only seasonal or year round?

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    1. Probably year-round, YYZ will be max two weekly which should be enough in winter too.

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    2. fine by me !!! :) two weekly is better then no flights all.

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  6. elections are coming ...

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    1. I think it has more to do with ASL desperately needing more revenue.

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    2. ASL flying loss making flights will only increase its losses.

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  7. They will need to put tickets on sale soon if they want to start during summer 2018.

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  8. Yes!! I actually think Toronto will perform better than NY, at least in May-September period

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    1. oh yes. for sure. i agree

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  9. So next summer we might have:

    1. Beijing
    2. New Delhi
    3. New York
    4. Toronto

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  10. Interesting developments. Obviously JFK not performing to expectations if JU is reducing flights and opening a new route using same aircraft. I do hope the strategy works and they find a solution to their wide body woes. Good luck

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    1. good point. if they had good JFK result they wouldn't be doing this, but will be getting a new aircraft.

      this will look sexy for the newspapers, but the reality is quite opposite.

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    2. Anyone who used to say that before was instantly called a "hater" by the trolls.
      Funny how reality proved these... haters right.

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    3. You have absolutely no proof still. so yes just a hater.

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    4. And it's not hate towards the company, it's mostly hate towards the country that fuels it which is unfortunate.

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    5. @9:37
      yupp, it is also interesting how most of the aviation experts turned from praising JU and not understanding financials to fully questioning sustainability of JU's business model

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    6. Lol, I think you have some serious problems my friend. JFK is actually doing great, JU is just expanding without having to pay fees for a second aircraft. No point explaining this to you, since you're so fixated on your fantasy of JU going bust

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    7. Haters / trolls? Why can’t some people accept commercial reality?

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    8. Why don't you give a detailed explanation to the commercial reality and back it up with some facts and figures. Whenever you write a comment you just complain how everyone calls you a hater and a troll.

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    9. errmmm, are you aware that JU has a 40mil EUR loss?

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    10. Well, this seems to have gone off the radar... http://www.politika.rs/scc/clanak/391772/Radnici-zemaljskog-servisa-Er-Srbije-od-danas-u-sklopu-aerodroma

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    11. Thanks Petar!
      Yes the same muppet living in La La land dreaming of the former JU that hasn’t progressed 20 years. Shame

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    12. I just wonder how they can expand with only one widebody aircraft to another destination with already utilizing it 5 days a week during the summer season. Will they fly warp speed?

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    13. No, they will not. JFK will be reduced to three weekly or they will add another A332

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    14. The most probably they will reduce JFK on 4 pw and introduce YYZ 2 pw.

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    15. what will haters do when they see BEG and JU gets all kinds of flights and break more records.. just have to live with it

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    16. Anon 6.40 pm
      No need to concern yourself. Won’t happen

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    17. Considering they have one plane, combining NYC with Toronto is actually pretty smart. Im any event it's way smarter than leaving that plane sitting on the tarmac in Belgrade, or registering losses on the JFK route if they force it.

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  11. Šteta, više bih volio da se odluče za Chicago. Ne kažem da je Toronto loš odabir, ali borit će se tu sa Air Transatom i Air Canadom, barem što se tiče dijaspore. Ne sumnjam da će Air Serbia biti jeftinija od ova dva gore navedena, ali na liniji za Chicago nemaju prijevoznika koji leti prema exYu i tu bi imali čisto tržište za sebe.

    Naša dijaspora, tu mislim na Hrvate, Slovence i Srbe kojih ima puno u Torontu i općenito pokrajni Ontario nije briga tko leti, jednostavno će se odlučiti za jeftiniju opciju, pa i ako je to one stop sa Lufthansom.

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    1. Fares between Belgrade and Canada are not that high so I doubt anyone travels to Zagreb to catch a flight. The distance itself is not worth it.

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    2. Pa to i kažem, ovisi o cijeni. Ako Air Serbia da smiješnu cijenu za ovu liniju, napunit će zrakoplov - ali zarada na kraju bude slaba. Pa nažalost to je slučaj i sa JFK, slab yield.

      Inače, znam hrpu njih koji dolaze iz Kanade, prije svega rodbina i prijatelji pa dolete u Trst/Beč/Ljubljanu/Zagreb/Beograd, rentaju auto i onda voze do svojih odredišta i sa rentanim autom se vraćaju do zračne luke kojom ponovno lete u Kanadu. Udaljenost između Zagreba i Beograda za njih je smiješna u odnosu na udaljenosti koje prevaljuju automobilom u Kanadi.

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    3. vecina zive izmedju Misuage i Londonu pored Toronta.

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    4. kao što sam napisao, pokrajna Ontario, da.

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    5. O kakvim udaljenostima onda pricas? To je manje od Srbije.

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    6. Što je manje od Srbije? kakav je to komentar?

      Udaljenosti iz određenih gradova gdje je značajna exYu dijaspora:

      Windsor - Toronto - 370 km (4h15min)
      London - Toronto - 194 km (3h)
      Kingston - Toronto - 263 km (3h10min)
      Ottawa - Toronto - 411 km (4h30min)
      Montreal - Toronto - 542 km, (5h20min)

      i onda imaš:
      Zagreb - Beograd - 393 km (3h45min)
      Budapest - Beograd - 378 km (3h55min)
      Ljubljana - Zagreb - 140 km (1h50min)
      Vienna - Zagreb - 373 km (4h10min)

      Mississauga je praktički predgrađe Toronta i treba ti 20 min do YYZ, to ni ne računam. U tom je gradiću također velika dijaspora.

      Ovo su samo udaljenosti do Toronta iz određenih gradova, a kad voze iz Toronta u Montreal, Ottawu, Quebec City ili Windsor to su vožnje od 4, 5 do 8 sati. Kanađani su na to naučeni. Zato ti želim reć da im nije problem doć u Ljubljanu ako je karta jeftinija, rentat auto koji imaju onda cijelu sezonu na raspolaganju dok su u posjeti i vraćaju ga prije nego odlete kući. 3-4 sata vožnje im nije problem do krajnje destinacije. I zato im neće biti problem letjeti u Zagreb pa otići u Beograd, ili letjeti u Beograd pa rentati auto i ići u Zagreb, ili u Budimpeštu, Ljubljanu, Trst, Beč. Dapače, znam 10tke koji to rade. Naravno, turisti su druga priča.


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    7. Ta rastojanja su u Evropi barem 45 minuta veca zbog prelaza na granicama. Opet neko ko prica napamet.

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    8. Jasta sve Crnogorci navalili kod strina i tetaka na nocenje za avion za NYC.

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    9. @AnonymousNovember 2, 2017 at 11:31 AM

      Zagreb - Vienna - 270km
      Zagreb - Budapest - 300km
      Zagreb - Ljubljana - 120km

      No idea what map you were looking on when you posted these numbers.

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    10. google maps.

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    11. Last summer four of us went to Sarajevo. YYZ-SJJ with OS/LH was $6000+ while YYZ-BEG with AC/JU was $4400. I was more than happy to rent a car for $800 as we had to visit different cities and needed a car anyways. In total we made 2600km in 25 days and had a blast. My best friend did the same by going to ZAG whit AT.

      It's hard to generalize, some people prefer direct flight (older, business) while some don't mind saving some money in the process.

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    12. That's what I want to explain, but you see the comments...

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    13. @11:31 AM

      Don't forget Hamilton and Kitchener which are even closer to YYZ than those other cities, yet have the largest Balkan diaspora

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    14. yea. also Niagara Falls region which is close.. radius of 400km would benefit from flight to BEG

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  12. Ovo je po meni idealno rešenje. 3-4 puta nedeljno Njujork i 2 puta nedeljno Toronto tokom cele godine i puna kapa. Jeste da tokom leta ima putnika i za 5 letova za Njujork, ali ovako će ta 3-4 leta biti popunjenija plus se ostavlja isti broj konekcija tokom zime i navikavaju se putnici na isti raspored. Za 2 leta nedeljno do Toronta tokom cele godine verujem da će biti putnika-leti naročito.

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    1. Vecinom se slazem. 4 x JFK + 2 x YYZ bi trebala biti dobitna kombinacija i ja sam to odavno govorio svima cak i Purgeru. On je reagovao da je to nemoguce.
      Jedino sto nisam siguran da bi YYZ bio uspesan zimi.

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    2. Pobogu kad sam ja rekao da je tako što nemoguće?

      Činjenica je da JU iz nekog razloga ima 5 frekvencija, iako bi mogla radit 6, valjda je to radi održavanja i manjeg rizika. Ali je moguće. I ja sigurno nikad nisam rekao da je nemoguća. Pobogu...

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    3. Alen Šćuric PurgerNovember 2, 2017 at 6:55 PM

      Pobogu kad sam ja rekao da je tako što nemoguće?

      Činjenica je da JU iz nekog razloga ima 5 frekvencija, iako bi mogla radit 6, valjda je to radi održavanja i manjeg rizika. Ali je moguće. I ja sigurno nikad nisam rekao da je nemoguća. Pobogu...

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  13. I actually think it could be Belgrade-Chicago-Toronto.

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    1. 5th freedom for JU?
      more chance for winning the lottery

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    2. They don't have to sell tickets between Chicago and Toronto.

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    3. Considering landing fees at ORD and YYZ chance of this happening is probably slim to none

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  14. Maybe next year they'll reduce the JFK rotations and slot in a couple of Torontos. Might work. TK is on the warpath lately though, to make up for lost time, which would suggest that the best thing for JU still appears to be dumping the 330 and focusing on Europe. Let the competitors burn through their cash first..

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    1. The competitors have cash to burn JU doesn’t

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    2. The poorly devised Do328 production restart in Turkey was cancelled. I'd hazard a guess that all funding was re diverted into TK, giving them a short term boost that JU, and other airlines, can't compete with.

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    3. Turkey can't even produce a turboprop.

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    4. And Serbia can?

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    5. Yes, don't forget that before WW2 Serbia used to manufacture aircraft. It still does to a certain extent.

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    6. So that makes Serbia richer and more powerful that Turkey. Jeeeeeej!

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    7. @7:44
      dragane j. vucicevicu, ti li si?

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  15. Cool. Good luck Air Serbia :)

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  16. Don't forget the abolishment of visas for Croatian, Bulgarian and Romanian citizens.

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    1. I think this can bring the big change. They can rely on more transfer passengers from these 3 countries unlike JFK service.

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  17. A market they could get quite a lot of feed from is Macedonia. That is if they offer some competitive prices and good connections.

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    1. its hard to compete with TK and OS on this route, just saying

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  18. Judging by the news, JU is either recovering financially, or they're suicidal. Anyone got any info?

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  19. Čestitke iz Hrvatske! Lijepo je čuti da prijevoznik iz regije otvara novu interkontinentalnu liniju!

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    1. Tekst kaže da ju žele otvoriti, ne i da hoće.

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    2. Jao, hajde probaj da bar malo prikriješ zavist, providan si. Tako ste pričali i pre Njujorka i Pekinga..

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    3. Stari, smiri strasti ok?
      Nitko nije zavidan. Govorimo o činjenicama iz teksta. Gdje su konkretno napisali da se linija otvara?

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    4. У новинама је писало. На крају крајева, овако је почела и прича са Њујорком па ето нас данас ту.

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    5. Aha. Pisalo je u novinama. Pardon.

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    6. Ништа, опроштено ти је друже. :)

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    7. Ljudi, bez obzira što se mislilo ovdje o meni, ja ne mislim ništa loše. Ako ćete uspjeti osigurati letove do Toronta ili gdje već - super. Isto kao što i lokalne patriote poklopim kada skaču pred rudo i svašta lupe.

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    8. Знам само нам се разликује приступ. Ја искрено сматрам да ово преусмеравање две лета недељно не може да шкоди. Овако са две дестинације добијамо више него да нам Њујорк остане са 5 летова, три је сасвим довољно.

      Чињеница је да АСЛ не би преживела без субвенција. Ако је већ дотирамо онда боље да добијамо што више.

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    9. pise da planiraju. za nas koje prizeljkuje ove letove je to dovoljno za sada. A za sve vas hejtere i zavidne ljude iz susdnih drzava ��

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  20. Why is everyone complaining about ASL's long-haul network being subsidized? What's the alternative? JU ending up like AB? At least Serbia is not willing to contribute to Lufthansa's grand plan of building a monopoly like they are doing now in Croatia through Eurowings.

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    1. is it mandatory to participate in that game? no it is not.
      with 40mil€ you can open many manufacturing facilities and at least have some benefit of that money.

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    2. Are you implying Serbia had no benefit from its Air Serbia investment?

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    3. it has benefits, but isn't it obvious that the costs are dwarfing it?

      plan has turned sour, there are no investors coming to serbia just because we fly somewhere? that's why we see all of these changes.

      just think what actually might have been done with pumping 40mil€ each year somewhere else.

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    4. Srpske zeleznice su dobijale 100 miliona evra godisnje. Kakav im je kvalitet i koliko doprinose srpskoj privredi bolje da ne pricamo.

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  21. Znači, dolazi drugi wide-body!

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    1. Ako ne dolazi, znaci da redukuju JFK u sezoni sto mi se ne cini preterano pametno posle mukotrpne dvogodisnje borbe i ulozenog novca. YYZ je izrazito sezonska linija.

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  22. A codeshare with Air Canada would be very beneficial and would guarantee more passengers.

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  23. This is definitely interesting as ASL's usage of widebodies will become far more efficient.

    What I am interested in is to know who might be next? I have a feeling this coming summer or next one we might see either TK or QR send theirs

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  24. I think this is a very smart move.

    1. Reducing New York to a more optimal 3 weekly operation (without loosing face that you are reducing your signature route).
    2. Ensuring better loads on New York flights.
    3. Serving a new market - Canada.
    4. Getting more regional passengers who will be attracted to Toronto line.
    5. Significantly improving A330 utilization.
    6. Launching flights to Toronto before the competition starts Belgrade.

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    1. +1

      Good (short) transfer to Sarajevo and Skoplje are the key here if they want to compete with LH/LX/OS, AirTransat and Rouge.

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    2. Тирана, Атина и Бејрут.

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    3. On that note, Teheran, Kiev and Egypt would be great feeders judging by immigrants' country of origin

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  25. Well this is great news.. Great start and I am hoping that something will come of this talk in 2018.

    I have two (RETURN) tickets from YYZ to BEG in early 2018 both via LHR. I flu 3-4 times a year from YYZ to BEG and I am used to the "stop" in a big hub airport to connect to BEG. however i will be very happy once this route is non-stop.

    I have no doubts that the flights from YYZ-BEG-YYZ will be packed.

    If its Ait Serbia that launches, i will book buisness class for sure to treat myself for all years I waited. lol

    Srecno Ej Srbiji!

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    1. Овде не капирате да попуњеност авиона није проблем већ недостатак бизнис путника. Пун авион из Канаде је исто лош као пун авион на путу за Телавив преко Бег. ЛХ даје карте по 420 јура на почетку сезоне да би убили ову линију за Њујорк.

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    2. А мислиш да свака авио-компанија која има дуголинијски саобраћај искључиво опстаје зато што има пословних људи? Не, то није тачно. Све се плашим да Лот одржава све те летове ка Чикагу, Њујорку и Канада само зато што им је бизнис класа пуна.

      Ако Ер Србија, баш као и Лот, успе да обезбеди солидну попуњеност са пристојним ценама онда и те како може добро пословати.

      Три лета недељно за Њујорк ће им ово омогућити што нису могли да ураде са пет летова недељно.

      Ово је свакако добитна комбинација.

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    3. "pun avion iz Kanade je isto los kao pun avion na putu za Telaviv preko BEG"????? o cemu pricas. naravno da je popunjenost avion kriticno bitno. naravno ne po cenama low-cost kompanije. Ali neke pristojne cene.. Putnici iz Torobta su navikli da cene budu i do 1000 evra do BEG u letnjem periodu.. Ljudi putuju i placaju. Ne moram da budem mnogo informisan da znam da bilo koja kompanija koja leti ce imati profit po tim cenama. a nece biti tako visoke to garantujem.

      A sto se tice Bizniz-a. Savsim dovoljno je da popunjenost u toj klasi bude 35%. A to je negde popunjenost na liniji BEG-JFK. Pouzdana informacija jer imam prijatelje koji su redovni Crew Members na toj liniji. A treba da se kaze i da J klasa na toj linije je oko 1500evra u jednom smeru.

      Cak mislim da Air Srbija treba da se ugleda na druge vece avio-kompanije sto se tice biznis klase.

      Staviti licitaciju za biznis klasu kao sto su radili prosle godine. Samo nazalost prestali su licitacije.

      Znaci lepo posaljes mejl putniku i pitas koliko kinte dajes za biznis. i lepo pokusas i oni ti jave 48h pre leta jesi bio izabran. ja dva puta prosle godine sam leteo za 50 evra u starijoj biznis klasi u Air Srbiji A319. Odnosno Boljoj biznis klasi. Vrhunskoj za short haul letove. Pri tom, imao mogucnost Edihadovoh lounga ..money well spent! to su neke sitnice koje trebaju da budu redovne i usvojiti na YU-ARA.

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    4. Ja sam leteo u toj klasi pola su putnici koji je dobiju kroz promocije.

      Takvi putnici kao ti su dobri samo agecijama koji ih deru. Ti ne umes da nadjes jeftinije karte. Nadas se da ces ucariti sa AS. 1000 jura je slabo.

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    5. haha. Sta? Ne umem da nadjem jeftinije karte? i agencije me deru? LOL. odkud ti znas gde ja kupujem svoje karte?.

      prosek cena van sezone iz Toronta za Beograd su od od 500 do 600 evra.. sto je realno i prihvatljivo.. u sezoni zna da bude i do 1200 evra...to je realnost.. YYZ-BEG-YYZ! A ne BEG-YYZ-BEG. Iz Beograda je za 20% generalno jeftinije.

      i ako neko zna da nadje povoljnu cenu, to sam ja. tako da nelupetaj.
      ali si me nasmejao,dajem ti to.. :)

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  26. Uzevsi u obzri da ce Kanada uskoro ukinuti vize za Bugarsku i Rumuniju ovo bi mogla biti jako dobra vest za putnike iz tih zemalja.
    Cinjenica da Air Canada Rouge otvara liniju za ZAG ne moze biti konkurencija jer OU nema skoro uopste razvijenu regionalnu mrezu linija. Air Canada Rouge moze samo preko code share-a sa OU dobiti putnike iz DBV ili SPU ali ne iz Bugarske, Srbije, Crne Gore ili Albanije na primer.

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  27. We should celebrate when official announcement is made.

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  28. That gags about the new Toronto flights have already begun :D

    https://www.njuz.net/er-srbija-dala-ime-novom-avionu-za-kanadu/

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    1. HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA I generally dislike Njuz.net so I was skeptical when I saw the link but it's great. :D

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    2. I generally like njuz.net.

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  29. All good story but the missing part is very poor connectivity to other nearby airports ( from/to Beg) especially in the winter period.

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  30. Браво Србиjo!

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  31. I will be interested in sending cargo from BEG to YYZ. I import approximately five metric tonnes per year. So far I use Swiss, will use AS if they can be cheaper or same price.

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    1. that would be great for you then. I know that you are not the only one who will benefit from cargo on this line

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  32. Prerađivača industrija je zabeležila rast od 9% ovog septembra dok je celokupna industrijska proiyvodnja skočila za 3.5%. Dinar će sutra zabeležiti rekodrnu vrednost prema evru (118.8) dok je prema dolaru ojačao dinar za nekih 16%.

    Sve je ovo jako važno zato što pokazuje da se ekonomska situacija poboljšava te će narod lakše putovati. Ne mislite valjda da Katar vozi prazan A321 za Beograd svaki dan. Isto i sa ovim. Sve će više ljudi leteti iz Srbije za SAD i Kanadu

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    1. daj bre čoveče, gdp će biti jedva 2%, najniže u okolini

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  33. Ima li zivota poslje Tita
    Narod se i dalje pita...

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  34. Any info how has the AtlasGlobal codeshare affected Air Serbia's service to New York? I just noticed KK codes have been added recently.

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  35. Today's JFK-BEG flight had 90% LF and it is already November. The loads have been like this for some time. I"ve no idea where people get the notion or idea that this flight is not successful or that it requires more connections. After only 16mths of flying, they seem to be doing fine

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  36. I don't understand,.... the prices for Air Serbia JFK - BEG are never ever the cheapest solution (which is expected) and I personally know many Serbs here in the U.S. who have flown with them. This past summer, I've had a NUMBER of friends fly and connect with them from Cleveland and Phoenix to Belgrade via JFK with Air Serbia, as it was the cheapest or near cheapest, being with codeshare with JetBlue and AA....

    For this upcoming summer, so far, it is a similar story. I personally found a flight Cleveland - Belgrad via JFK and on the return BEG - JFK - LAX with AA and Jetblue codeshare around 1,150. Decent price. Also this upcoming summer as I see has clearer connections, meaning it is easier for me to find LAX - BEG via JFK connections and multiple other cities. Curious why I can't find San Diego - Belgrade via JFK at all.

    I do all of these flight findings on cheapoair.com and orbitz. I was thinking for sure in next summer, with better connections in US and a longer time in the market, they should be making some sort of profit on the flight. Don't think the regional flight reductions in Europe helped, really sad to see Sarajevo only once daily still and decreases all around... not sure what is going on..

    Also, I know it is way ahead of time. But me and a group of friends are planning on booking tickets in January for Belgrade. As of now, flights are bookable for 5 / week frequency, but hearing this news that JFK may be reduced now simply has made us not want to book with them as it is unreliable knowing the schedule till possibly last minute.

    Love Air Serbia and have enjoyed flying with them from Moscow to Belgrade and return, however don't appreciate all the games and changes. From "boutique" and "leading airline in Europe" to just ????

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    1. booking in January for a June departure***

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    2. I wouldn't be making a decision based on speculation reported on this blog ... until the company itself makes an official statement, i wouldn't worry about it.

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    3. if they are saying they need a couple of more months to conclude agreement between countries, ratify it, then they need to run their internal financials, then they need to secure slots, handler, maintenance, catering, cancel some stuff in nyc, etc...
      i am not sure that we are talking summer 2018 here

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  37. Atlas global je dodao svoj codeshare na BEG-JFK KK 7520/KK7521

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  38. Ok... what about Chicago (ORD)?

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  39. I wonder if there would be any chance of securing rights to do BEG-YYZ-ORD-BEG (obviously without the rights to sell tickets on YYZ-ORD) and/or the other way around. I know this is tricky with two foreign regulatory agencies involved... but If they combined the two destinations they could have outstanding loads and good yields.

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