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| Zagreb to get Sofia link this summer |
A new Croatian start-up, Dalmatian, which has been in the works for several years, has announced plans to launch seasonal flights between Zagreb and Sofia this summer. The low cost airline plans to operate flights three times per week, every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, Hristiyan Petkov, Sofia Airport’s Head of Marketing said in a statement. As EX-YU Aviation News learns, services will be inaugurated on June 3 and run until July 31. The airline will lease an aircraft from Denmark’s North Flying and will likely utilise its air operator’s certificate (AOC), allowing Dalmatian to inaugurate flights more easily and bypass additional bureaucratic procedures in Croatia.
There are currently no direct flights between the Croatian and Bulgarian capitals. In late 2011, the then CEO of Croatia Airlines, Srećko Šimunović, announced plans for the carrier to launch flights to Sofia and St. Petersburg to balance out its mainly western European network. The new routes were planned to be launched this year. However, since then, the carrier has given up on its plans to expand and has downsized its network instead. On the other hand, it must be noted that Croatia Airlines’ Sofia launch was tied to the arrival of four Airbus A319 aircraft it ordered in 2008. The arrival of these jets has been put on hold until further notice.
Dalmatian has previously been granted permits to operate four weekly flights between Zagreb and Hamburg, every Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday starting June 2. In addition, the airline says it has secured a range of contracts to operate charter flights this summer season. Dalmatian will operate as a hybrid low cost carrier and was “founded to pursue the growth opportunities in emerging markets of short and long distance air travel”. With Croatia’s entry into the European Union last summer, a flurry of new airlines have announced plans to open up bases across the country to capitalise on its booming tourism industry. Air Croatia, Libertas Air and Adriatic Skyways have all announced their intention of launching flights from the country.
This means that Dalmatian will relay only on O&D passengers.
ReplyDeleteI remember when we were talking about JU flights to SOF and Ukraine, when some of the Croats said that "Bulgarians do not visit Croatia that much anyway, so AirSerbia won't have any success in flying those travelers to Croatians cities". Now we see that there is a demand.
ReplyDeletePozdrav.
NO there isn't, its a strange route to say the least!
Deleteno market between Zagreb and Sofia, strange route, really strange. As to Air Serbia, they only have charter flights to Croatia, to Split and Dubrovnik, no idea about any flights between Split and Sofia, you must be confused.
Why doesn't Dalmatian launch Zagreb-Belgrade flights in cooperation with Air Serbia. It could be a pre-emptive strike, something like JA did.
ReplyDeleteThis is a pretty terrible plan. They're overly exposed to JU potentially launching BEG-ZEG and connecting with SOF. Relying on O&D between ZAG and SOF makes zero sense.
ReplyDeleteLet's not forget that they plan on flying this route for only two months. They will probably fill the planes with tourists.
DeleteWhat plane do they intend on using?
For me it does not seem that we will have BEG-ZAG line soon. JU would have already launched that line if they wanted, because it would make perfect sense to connect two most important ex-yu cities.
DeleteMaybe there is something else in the background. Maybe politics, maybe genocide trial, who knows.
Anyways, exactly because they rely on O&D between those two cities, the whole servise would last for a little bit less than two months.
The reason is a clear lack of Atrs. JU has no planes to launch any more regional cities.
DeleteMaybe Darwin jumps in :) a cover all exyu mess
DeleteProbably will, on BEG-TIA-BEG. They're waiting for authorities to give a green-light for a codeshare with JU.
DeleteNavedite mi dve susedne zemlje koje nemaju letove izmedju glavnih gradova? i samo nemojte mi spominjati Bec -Bratislava ili Seul-Pjongjang mada ovi balkanski debili lako mogu biti stanovnici pjongjanga.
ReplyDeleteE toliko o smislenosti i organizaciji posla.
Будимпешта-Братислава.
DeleteБратислава-Варшава.
Кијев-Братислава
Вилњус-Минск
ZAGREB- BEOGRAD - 400km
DeleteViljnus - Minsk 188 km - (google maps)
Budapest - Bratislava 200km
Kiev - Bratislava - nema, ali ima Kiev - Viena
Bratislava - Varsava - nema, ali ima Varsava - Viena
razdaljina izmedju Schipola i Bratislave - tek 60km
Dakle, idiotizam balkanski.
Schipol je u Amsterdamu, ne znam kako se zove aerodrom u Beču, ali razmujem poantu. Uostalom, aerodrom u Beču je ustvari u mnogočemu i aerodrom Bratislave.
DeleteIt's Vienna-Schwechat not Schipol.
DeleteКакве везе има колика је удаљеност између Браитславе и Беча када оба аеродрома имају комерцијалне аеродроме. Притом, аеродром у Братислави има пар авио компанија које лете и за Беч тако да...
DeleteAnonymousMay 3, 2014 at 2:40 PM
Delete1. izvinjavam se, lapsus je bio za Schipol.
2. ajde izvoli otidji na skyscanner pa mi navedi jedan let izmedju Bratislave i Beca?!
3. Oba imaju komercijalne aerodrome, samo sto je jedan od njih evropski i svetski gigant, sa interkontinentalnim letovima, dok je drugi prestonicki sa manje od 1.5 miliona putnika.
4. Otidji na vikipediju, pa ces videti da bratislavski aerodrom ima samo 13 regularnih letova. U okviru njih nema letove ni za Frankfurt, Minhen, Pariz, Hitrou, Rim, Stokholm, Varsavu niti bilo koji vazan evropski grad/aerodrom, sem Moskve. I ima letove do par destinacija u Engleskoj, Luton, Sansted..
I ti ocekujes da ima let do Varsave i Kijeva?
I za kraj, odes na sajt bratislavskog aerodroma, dole ti pise da imas prevoz od Bratislave do Beca 21 put dnevno.
Dakle ni oni sami ne shvataju svoj aerodrom ozbiljno, koriste becki, tako da poredjenja koja ukljucuju bratislavski aerodrom padaju u vodu.
Tako da ipak ostajemo pri tome da je to svojstveni balkanski idiotizam.
Независно да ли је то балкански идиотизам или не, горе наведене линије су наведене као доказ да Александар није био у праву у својој тврдњи.
DeleteУ сваком случају, наша срећа па имамо продуховљене персоне као што си ти.
da ne bude posle, naveo sma da se komentar ne moze u potpunosti bukvalno primniti bas zbog slucaja Bec-Bratislava, tako da kad odbijemo Bratislavu ostaje nam zestoka konkurencija. Vilnus-Minsk . Moram da priznam da sam odusevljen trudom pojedinaca da dokazu da na Balkanu politiku i posao ne vode idijoti. Ako su oni sami kreatori iste, to ujedno i objasnjava zasto je takva kakva jeste,a ako je samo podrzavaju onda dokazuje ono drugo.
DeletePoenta je u sledecem samo nenormalni sistemi bi dozvolili sebi da nemaju povezanu zemlju sa susednim zemljama ,te je pitanje ekonominosti rute potpuno nebitno. na stranu sto drze masu drugih nerentabilnih ruta (finasijska pozicija kompanija dokazuje da su im sve rute nerentabilne i to na kvadrat) a za let Beg-Zag opravdanje je los load factor. matere vam?
ne nego stoka ne da se posao radi jer time cuvaju svoje pozicije i ne dozvoljaju normalan rad i shodno tome uzrocno posledicno kvalitetniji zivot.
jer sta bi dans njih 100 hiljada radilo u Beogradu ako ne bi napusavali Zagreb? (i obrnuto je primenjivo)
ali da im cerka ardi kao stjuardesa i da se kaze ,ako avion leti za Zagreb imas posla a ako ne leti na birou si, svi cu cutali ko zaliveni.
Anon @ 3:10 "svetski gigant"
DeleteVienna airport is a world giant? Not even in the top 50 world's busiest airports, it has a long way before it gets there, if ever. Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic
First of all, do not put EVERY word I wrote under the microscope.
DeleteSecondly, there are different criteria to see which airport can be regarded as a "giant".
One of them can be the number of international passengers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_international_passenger_traffic
We can see Vienna holds 25th place in the world, so we can say it is some kind of a giant.
Regardless, the point is that an airport of 1.5 mil pax per year cant match with an airport that serves more than 14.5 more passengers. So no need for rephrasing, you understood the idea.
You are welcome.
I am sure VIE is 25th in the world by some measure... BEG is probably in the top 25 world airports when it comes to number of Serbian citizens employed by the airport, for example...
DeleteI did travel through VIE a number of times and I fully understand why it's not even close to being a world's giant. You need to spend a day at Atlanta (I did) to understand the true meaning of the world "giant". And, yes, you will be saying "Thank you" after that experience!
"...da im cerka radi kao stjuardesa i da se kaze ,ako avion leti za Zagreb imas posla a ako ne leti na birou si" - LOL. She's gonna remain unemployed for a long period of time if she relies on Zagreb.
DeleteLol, I am talking about mesurable and relevant criteria. If the number of international passengers is not relevant according to you, then okay.
DeleteOver and out.
Statistics are wonderful for manipulation! Okay, so if international passengers are important, look at this example: BEG ranks higher than VIE in percentage of international passengers. See what I did there? It's true, can't deny stats, but it's really just picking one stat that will make BEG look better than VIE. I am sure I can find some other stat for VIE where it looks better then the others, but does it really make it gigantic? Nope. Another one: world's largest airport by area is DMM, but that doesn't make it one of the world's top airports, because area is irrelevant criteria.
DeleteWhen you see passengers at the gate, does it matter if they are international or not? Well if you are running a duty free shop, it may matter, but in terms of overall airport passenger traffic size, it does not. So when we talk about absolute numbers, VIE (according to same Wikipedia sources) has only about 22% of Atlanta's passenger numbers, or about 73 million passengers LESS per year. That's measurable, relevant and gigantic. According to ACI (2011) VIE was 66th on the list of world's top 100 by passenger traffic, and that's by far the most important measure of airport "size" and relevance. So they are nowhere near the top, and with the general rise of Asian airports, VIE is just more likely to slide even further down into irrelevance. And when you experience dozens of airports above VIE in that list, you will realize Vienna in nowhere near the top in terms of size and relevance.
@ AnonymousMay 3, 2014 at 12:17 PM
ReplyDeleteaccording to North Flying web site, they have Fairchild Metroliners (19 pax), Gates Learjet 35 (6-7 pax), Cessna Citation II (7 pax), CC III (8 pax) and CC VII (7 pax). of all these, only Metroliners are used globaly as regional airliner
Nikola, this is how I see it will work :
DeleteA320 which will operate Dalmatian flights will be registered in Danmark, under North Flying DK AOC. Knowing scandinavian business spirit and easiness and profficiency in buerocratic affairs, my opinion is it will be done in less then a week. And planes with DK registration will be based in ZAG and operated by croatian crews, as after joining EU, Danmark is one of the countries which didn't impose any restrictions for croatian citizens and they can work in both DK, or DK registered aircraft. In addition to HAM and SOF, I expect at least DBV to start regularly from ZAG, plus the charters announced, for the first season. And I guess, and hope, it will be just the beginning :)
OT 1:
ReplyDeleteIn Q1 2014, Bosnian airports welcomed 31,9 % passengers than in Q1 2013.
OT 2:
Sarajevo Int. Airport to announce the construction of new terminal "old" terminal 1 for low cost operations.
Opening expected by the end of 2014.
First airlines to operate: Wizz Air & Transavia
OT 3:
Turkish Airlines and Pegasus reported highest sale of tickets on Sarajevo - Istanbul route in the history.
On selected days, there will be up to 7 daily flights with approx. 1.100 seats in each direction.
Turkish is using only A321 and B737-800 for summer 2014 in order to satisfy the demand.
In April, load factor was approx. 82%.
Uppss, sorry:
Delete"In Q1 2014, Bosnian airports welcomed 31,9 % MORE passengers than in Q1 2013."...
Great news! So can you tell me the number of passengers in Q1 ?
DeleteSARAJEVO: 117,338 (80,43% off whole BiH)
DeleteTuzla: 22,020
Banja Luka: 4,440
Mostar: 2,087
Numbers for april: next week.
There is also a new Airport APP of Sarajevo Airport for iOS and Android containing options to see flight status and to check the flight.
Sofia Airport also says 31 July
ReplyDeleteOT: Does anyone know the status of Air Serbia's third Airbus A320? Thank you!
ReplyDeleteYou mean 2nd A320 .. they will only have 2 x A320's in the fleet and 8 x A319s ... in any event, the 2nd A320 is having major galley reconstruction work in Germany in order to install more ovens so that it can deliver the same F&B offering across the entire fleet. This aircraft has come in from an LCC which didn't have enough ovens ... Aircraft will be in service 1sr week of July
DeleteNo, I mean third one. This site mentioned back in March that third A320 was leased, here:
Deletehttp://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/2014/03/air-serbia-leases-third-a320.html
First A320 is in service, second one (YU-APG) is joining in a few weeks, but what about the third one? Thanks?
I'm telling you there is no 3rd one .... just bcoz it was reported on this blog, doesn't make it a fact ... JU has never made any public statements about 3 x A320s ... I can also factually tell you that there are 8 x A319s and 2 x A320s - no more and no less.
Deleteok thanks
DeleteOT - easyJet više neće letjeti iz Zagreba
ReplyDeleteZAGREB - Četiri i pol mjeseca nakon preuzimanja zagrebačkog aerodroma, konzorcij ZAIC i Uprava aerodroma u velikim su problemima.
http://rs.seebiz.eu/easyjet-vise-nece-letjeti-iz-zagreba/ar-86700/
It was reported here a month ago http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/2014/04/easyjet-to-terminate-zagreb-service.html
DeleteVery good that you post this under this topic, because it's totally connected - Dalmatian will take over Easyjet's flights
DeleteI am aware but the current permit has been issued until July 31.
ReplyDeleteTwo A320 must be already in BEG. How come they have morning or eve dep same time to ZRH and CDG?
ReplyDeleteEasy, one morning goes to zrh the other one to cdg :)
DeleteFor example tomorrow: JU 314, 17:10, CDG and JU 208, 18:15, LHR, both AS A320
ReplyDeleteDon't believe everything you see on beg.aero. There is only one 320 at the moment.
DeleteYou are right.
ReplyDelete