Monday, April 27, 2015

Serbian regulator blocks charter airlines

Serbian Aviation Directorate denies flight permits to charter airlines

The Serbian Civil Aviation Directorate has refused to issue permits to several foreign charter airlines seeking to operate flights to Belgrade this summer season. These  include Corendon and Freebird from Turkey, as well as Nesma Airlines from Egypt. Furthermore, Air Cairo, which runs scheduled year-long flights from Hurghada to Belgrade, has also been denied rights to introduce an additional weekly service on the route. Serbian tour operators, which have signed agreements with the abovementioned carriers, have been forced to cancel holiday packages. Passengers due to fly out from Belgrade to Hurghada tomorrow morning with Nesma Airlines have had their flight cancelled. The Serbian Civil Aviation Directorate says it issues permits to charter carriers based on the advisory opinion of the Serbian Ministry for Construction, Transport and Infrastructure. “Three carriers did not receive the approval from the Ministry, and have been automatically refused by the Directorate”, the regulator said in a statement.

On the other hand, three foreign national carriers have secured rights to operate charter flights between their respective countries and Belgrade. They include Turkish Airlines, which will operate charter services from Antalya, Aegean Airlines from Heraklion, Rhodes and Corfu, and Tunis Air from Monastir. Air Serbia’s dedicated charter brand, Aviolet, will cater for the bulk of holiday makers this year, operating flights to five countries - Turkey, Greece, Italy, Spain and Egypt - covering a total of nineteen destinations. The Ministry is adamant that foreign charter carriers (all three of them) did not send in the necessary documentation required to be issued a permit, despite doing so for several years. At the same time, the Assistant Minister, Zoran Ilić, says he is certain Air Serbia has the necessary capacity to cater for any charter flights. He added that tour operators should first check whether airlines have been issued permits to operate charter services before concluding agreements with them. Mr. Ilić said that he is certain all problems would be “resolved soon”.

Serbian tour operators have hit back at the Ministry. In a press release, the “1 A Travel” tour operator said, “Despite Mr. Ilić being the Assistant Minister for Construction, Transport and Infrastructure, he has shown a lack of knowledge in his line of work. Based on the rules for issuing permits for the transport of passengers, the Directorate requires tour operators to have concluded agreements with foreign airlines. Without it, the Directorate will not issue permits”. Furthermore, the tour operator refuted Mr. Ilić’s claims regarding Air Serbia’s readiness to operate charter services. “Tour operators would gladly conclude agreements with Air Serbia if the company were ready to meet market demands and conditions. Our national carrier has four Boeing 737-300 aircraft dedicated for charter operations, which have a capacity of no more than 144 seats. Based on our bookings, we require an aircraft with the capacity to seat between 180 and 215 passengers, which Air Serbia cannot offer”, the press release reads. 

Last Thursday, representatives from the Turkish Civil Aviation Authority held talks with their Serbian counterpart in Belgrade in an attempt to resolve the issue. At the meeting, the Serbian Directorate urged Turkish carriers to resubmit their license requests. However, as time passes by, holiday makers are becoming increasingly worried, with airline permits threatening to derail their holiday plans.

85 comments:

  1. May they fly Aviolet.

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    1. They can't because Aviolet doesn't have enough planes or capacity.

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    2. Why should they be forced to fly Aviolet?

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  2. This is disgusting! I would personally not fly those Aviolet old boeings anyway.. Nis is only 2 and the half hour away so why the travel agents not use Mister airport for such a purpose.. Seriously I wouldn't mind taking a bus to Nis!

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    1. * Nis Airport

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    2. That doesn't matter... Ministry wants all traffic to go tought BEG/Air Serbia/Aviolet ;)

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    3. When permit is not issued it is for whole country not for one airport.

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  3. I hear lawsuit bells :)

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    1. I sure hope so because they made an even bigger circus of Serbian civil aviation...

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  4. Protecionisam of Air Serbia. Not first and for sure not last one. And we are surprused why si many companies run frim Belgrade. More than 90 weekly flights from 10 companies less than before Air Serbia protecionisam.

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    1. Could you please translate what you intended to say, there are many grammar mistakes in your comment. Write it in Serbian.

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    2. Пре ће бити да си раније добијао паре у свој лични џеп од турака да твоја агенција лети са њиховим фирмама а сада су ти заврнули славину и зато драмиш.

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  5. Lepa vest:
    http://rs.n1info.com/a55271/Biznis/Er-Srbija-Poslovni-rezultati-u-2015.html

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    1. Excellent news! Air Serbia's impressive growth is on track to reach new heights this year. With profitability soaring, a firm base is being laid out for the launch of intercontinental flights by early next year. Well done, Air Serbia!

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    2. "Ukupno 453.000 putnika je koristilo usluge Er Srbije u prvom kvartalu ove godine, što je za 26 procenata više u odnosu na 359.000 putnika koliko je prevezeno u istom periodu prošle godine."
      ne vidim kako se ovaj rast uklapa sa tracevima da ce se ukidati linije? Nije logicno kao sto vec govorim par dana..

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    3. Don't get too carried away. This winter will be a disaster.

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    4. To nisu tracevi. Broj putnika moze i da raste 100% ali finansijski rezultati su katastrofalni.

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    5. What is said about their expenses ?

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    6. Dobro manje ce se leteti zimi i nece biti gubitaka, bolje za ASL.

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    7. 1:04, bolje za ASL, losije za putnike i aerodrom beograd.

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  6. OT : Aviogenex is gone...

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    1. Can you please explain that? What is the fate of their 737? It would be nice to see it fly again maybe for government or military. I know that some, if not all, of their pilots left to ASL.

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    2. I can't tell anything, I've heard it from somebody who worked for them. They also don't have such informations.

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  7. Jat would have managed fantastic results as well if 1) the state gave it as much money as it is giving Air Serbia 2) they didn't have to pay for any services 3) they didn't have a politically appointed management and 5) the government was protectionist as it is about Air Serbia. In fact, I'm sure they would be even more successful then Air Serbia. Don't know how the fan boys will deal with everything that Air Serbia plans to cut this winter.

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  8. It is sad to see how Serbian government is working against private companies in Serbia. Let the market (supply and demand) do the job, stop protecting Air Serbia in every possible way. Other companies and their employees in Serbia should also live, not just Air Serbia.

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    1. Does Turkey government favours foreign airline over domestic?

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  9. Disgusting protectionism...

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    1. Agreed, Turkey and Egypt should drop their protectionism and allow more charters from other countries.

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    2. Hiljade charter letova stranih kompanija leti za Tursku i Egipat svaki tjedan. I to ne samo TUI, Thomas Cook, Condor, Transaero, Transavia, Air Berlin i stotine drugih...

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    3. Kakav je to argument? Leti i Turkish Airlines cartere za Srbiju, to ne znaci da postoji ravnopravni i balansirani odnos izmedju Srbije i Turske kad su carteri u pitanju.

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  10. This is just another epic failure of Serbian Government and Zoran Ilic. The man was Director of Investments for 10 years at the airport and achieved....nothing. Now he's the deputy minister and has no clue about the legislation. Again interfering in public issues for private gain. If the State Prosecutor had any balls, he would already open an office at the airport.

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  11. Znate šta, kao da ta ista Turska nije primenjivala protekcionizam!? Ovo im je milo za drago. Isto važi i za egipatske kompanije: kada dozvole Er Srbiji Kairo mogu i oni Beograd. Ne verujem da je razlog zašto Er Srbija ne leti za Kairo bezbednost. Znaju svi ko stoji iza Er Srbije, a Egipat i Emirati su u dobrim odnosima.

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  12. Air Serbia, nacionalna aviokompanija Republike Srbije, je danas objavila da je nastavila da unapređuje svoje finansijske pokazatelje ostvarujući prihod od 39 miliona evra u prvom kvartalu 2015. godine, što predstavlja povećanje od 44 procenta u odnosu na isti period u 2014. godini.

    Ukupno 453.000 putnika je koristilo usluge Air Serbije u prvom kvartalu ove godine, što je za 26 procenata više u odnosu na 359.000 putnika koliko je prevezeno u istom periodu prošle godine, dok je kapacitet za prevoz putnika izražen kao proizvod raspoloživog broja sedišta i ukupno pređenih kilometara (Available Seat Kilometers - ASK) uvećan za 15 procenata i iznosio je 795 miliona.

    Kada se radi o prevozu tereta, Air Serbia kargo sektor je ostvario rast od 61 procenat u odnosu na isti period 2014. godine sa 875 tona prevezenog tereta u prvom kvartalu ove godine.

    Danny Kondić, generalni direktor Air Serbije, je ovim povodom izjavio: "Nastavili smo da ubiremo plodove našeg rasta, podstaknutog razvojem naše mreže destinacija i proširenjem kod šer partnerstava. Naši rezultati i dalje dokazuju efektivnost naše poslovne strategije. To je odličan znak za naš dugoročni uspeh".
    Toliko o tome ko ovde pise istinu a ko ne istinu .
    A ovo su odlicne vesti i nadam se jako odlicnoj zimskoj sezoni.
    INN-NS

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    1. prvi put da je INN-(S)NS argumentovano pristupio pitanju, i prvi put se slazem s njim. Finasijski prihodi po ovom press statementu Air Serbie nisu losi sto se moze zakljuciti iz odnosa povecanja putnika (+26%) i povecanja prihoda (+44%). Naravno fali nam i troskovna strana - ali tu ne ocekujem neko RADIKALNO pogorsanje (isti broj aviona ako se ne varam).
      Vidis INN da moze nesto i argumentovano da se kaze (iako si samo preneo vest)? nije toliko tesko ne lupetati. Samo napred mali! :-)

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    2. To radim samo kad niko ne pljuje ASL a kad pljuje onda ih psihicki provociram.
      A sto se tice Flote bice + 2 Aviona.
      Admine sto ne objavite u news flashu da ce ADR iz INN da leti na 2 destinacije :P :P
      INN-NS

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    3. znaci priznajes da si troll?

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    4. ...ali da ces od sada da se unormalis i prestanes da "provociras psihicki"? :-)))

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    5. On nije argumentovano pristupio diskusiji nego je prekopirao novinski članak...

      Njegovi argumenti su "Čuo sam od kuma mog pobratima iz petog kolena..."

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    6. haha jeste tako, ali ovo je korak u dobrom smeru pa da ga ohrabrimo malo..

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    7. Ja cu prestati sa provokacijama kad oni prestanu sa ne oistinama poput kako zimski red letenja se skracuje toliko i da se vracaju dva 733.
      INN-NS

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    8. Its true about those A319 going out of service. ASL fairy tale is over. You can laugh all you want and I do not mind if you call me a bot, but lets just wait and see. As for the transatlantic flights all I can say is lol really. EY is going to focus on itself and AZ, and also try to save AB.

      The funniest part is that some people on here welcomed EY acquiring of AZ. The moment I heard that I knew that ASL story is over.
      Let the hate comments from ASL fanboys start :D

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    9. Anon at 6:13, can you prove any of your claims, or should we just take your imagination as a fact?

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    10. First part I wrote are still RUMORS and I am sorry for not being specific enough. Well nobody can argue with the last part I wrote, please try to prove me wrong. Come up with constructive argument to prove that this statement is wrong "The funniest part is that some people on here welcomed EY acquiring of AZ. The moment I heard that I knew that ASL story is over".

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    11. Couldn't care less for AB and AZ. Part where you say that transatlantic flights are lol is the one you need to prove.

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    12. Yea keep believing stuff SNS and INN-NS feed you. As I said, across the pond flights wont happen, but be patient and you will see. Lets just say my proof is the current internal situation within ASL as well as the changing approach that people in AUH are implementing on ASL. Where is INN-NS anyway, I miss the approach he takes to defend ASL

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    13. But you also said that JAT will never recover, that old JAT/Airbus deal will never be rectified, that Air Serbia would not even take off, that Air Serbia would never grow by a million pax in a year etc, but you were wrong.

      Now you be patient and you will see that across the pond flights will happen.

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    14. What are you talking about? I never said those things, opposite in contrary. At the beginning I was very optimistic about ASL project. The following have changed my opinion about ASL future:
      1) Political instability in the country 2) EY acquiring AZ ( AZ also needs tranfer pax and will not tolerate to let ASL take over the whole balkan region) 3) Situation within EY regional ( rapid expansion with 4-5 new planes and plenty of new routes, and now they are at brink of collapse) 4) In 2013 when ASL concept rolled out, Vucic and the rest promised that the flights across pond will start in 2 years which means that those flights should have started in the following winter season

      Do not forget that the market is highly seasonal and that it would be very difficult to fill cargo and business class seats.

      There you go, I have provided you with plenty of constructive arguments. You should come up with something like this to prove your point and not accuse me of something I never said.

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    15. Also not related to aviation, but Vucic and the rest of SNS have changed the Belgrade Waterfront story many times. First they said that the project will be finished within 3-4 years. Then they said 5 years and finally yesterday they said it will take freaken 30 years LOL! I still cannot believe that somebody is supporting Vucic and his fantasies.

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    16. @Anon at 8:24

      "promised that the flights across pond will start in 2 years "

      Think for a second - is it "Abu Dhabi" delaying required approvals for US flights or is it US government? There's your answer why they didn't start yet.

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    17. Ovo treba da se javi nekim ljudima pogotovo pravnioj sluzbi ASL sta ljudi ovde pisu na kraju ce neko stvarno da poveruje u to i nece kupiti posle Avgusta kartu kod JU.
      A letovi za USA krecu za nekoliko meseci :)
      INN-NS

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    18. "A letovi za USA krecu za nekoliko meseci :)" and this is not for "pravn sluzba".

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    19. To nije za pravnu sluzbu , ovo sto vi pisete su ne istine.
      A zna se ko to pise sa Aerodorma BEG.
      INN-NS

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    20. Yea and the stuff you write is pure truth LOL! I am impressed by your trolling skills INN-NS! Kudos to you!

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    21. U zadnje vreme ste jako aktivni vi pojedinci iz jednog preduzeca na Aerodromu BEG. Naravno da je istina sto pisem
      INN-NS

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  13. Nedostaje najvazniji deo: Srbija nema aneksirane bilateralne sporazuma sa Turskom i Egiptom koji se tiču neredovnog avio prevoza.

    http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2015&mm=04&dd=23&nav_id=984160

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    1. Sporazum o vazdušnom saobraćaju između Federativne Narodne Republike Jugoslavije i Republike Turske potpisan je 16. aprila 1953. godine. Taj Sporazum, u članu 1 sadrži načelo reciprociteta ali samo u delu sporazuma koji se odnosi na redovan avio saobraćaj, i to tako što omogućava dvema nacionalnim avio kompanijama da obavljaju saobraćaj na strogo utvrđenim linijama između Beograda preko Skoplja i Soluna do Istanbula i obrnuto. Te dve avio kompanije su JAT - Jugoslovenski aviotransport sa strane FNRJ i Turk Havayolari sa turske strane, međutim načelo reciprociteta nije predviđen u delu sporazuma koji se odnosi na čarter letove, niti je ovo pitanje na bilo koji način uređeno ovim sporazumom.

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    2. What would happen if countries, to where Air Serbia flies, starts denying them from flying there? I feel that this could happen, i retaliation to this.

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    3. Očigledno je da Srbija želi da sporazumom reguliše i čarter letove što je potpuno normalno. Kad bi se sporazum potpisao nastavili bi se letovi čarter komanija i iz Srbije i iz Turske. Zašto Turska do sada nije htela da sporazumom obuhvati i čartere?

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    4. That's the catch, foreign carriers are in superior position in comparison to Aviolet because it seems that Serbia just woke up from some strange sleep. Yes, we have to protect our companies on the market where we are not protected. Turkey and Egypt sorry but we have to have reciprocity here.

      With EU is a bit tricky because all EU rules are very OK, open market, we ARE USING open skies, etc.. so we have to accept it ... the unfair thing with EU is that companies operating in old EU countries had plenty of time to form themselves while new companies needs to fight ... but we can accept this as fair just additional effort is needed from new companies.

      In case of Turkey and other non EU countries ... forget it, they protect we protect and paid "ad writers" and selfish low sols thinking about their own pocket only should suffer. I have no issue with that...

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    5. @ Pera Kojot. There is no reciprocity if Aviolet is allowed to fly to Turkey and Egypt and their companies are not. Also their is no reciprocity if the bilateral air agreements clearly state that charter flights are not regulated by reciprocity.

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    6. @Anon 6:15 PM
      If I understand well, there are new agreements prepared now that are waiting to be signed and that will regulate charter flights as well, right?

      Trouble is that someone is not ready to sign it yet and that's why we are having these issues.

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    7. Several years ago Canada set the bar by limiting UAE carriers that in effect restricted Emirates to three flights a week from Dubai to Toronto, and that's the only destination Emirates serves in Canada. That was done even though Air Canada (or any other carrier from Canada) does not even serve Dubai. Canada wanted to protect Air Canada and partner airlines routes to other, primarily Asian, destinations Emirates offers from Dubai.

      Canadian passengers might not enjoy lowest fares to those destinations, but primary goal was to protect vulnerable domestic airline and jobs. This is how domestic interest is protected around the world and some posters from Serbia should learn from positive Canadian example that domestic interests, jobs and airlines, not lowest fares, are primary concern for governments.

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    8. To show how important this issue was for the Canadian government please consider the fact that it was willing to sacrifice its base in UAE which was used as a logistic point supporting their Canadian Army's operations in Afganistan.

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    9. Turističke agencije iz Kanade bi naravno jedva dočekale da se dozvoli Emirates-u da leti dva puta dnevno do 5-6 najvećih gradova, ali vlada je naravno gledala da li su važniji interesi agencija koje bi preplavile tržište jeftinim kartama Emiratsa preko Dubajia do recimo Indije, ili je važnije da Er Kanada profitabilno leti do Indije i ostalih zemalja. Nauk za turističke agencije iz Srbije.

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    10. @SMApril 27, 2015 at 7:12 PM

      Actually, they were not willing but they were kicked-out and their prime-minister has been denied entrance into UAE airspace without notice. Besides, 250$ visas have been put in place for Canadian citizens entering the UAE for one month.

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    11. Aэrologic

      No argument there, I'm just saying that Canadians knew they are going to pay the price (it didn't come as a surprise for sure, UEA government was quite open about it after all) and they did it without blinking. 2-3 years later you don't hear a thing about it. The funny thing is that party in power now and then (conservatives, similar to republicans in the US) are the very people who advocate for open market, liberal economy everywhere etc. That is as long as it suits them. I think kudos here goes to AC for first of all forward thinking. They looked at this long term and did what they needed to do to avoid situation their US based friends are in now. Also, kudos for successful lobbying. I work in regulatory affairs and everybody in the field was somewhat surprised that they managed to get the conservatives to act the way they did on their behalf. I'm sure there are still some exAC people working for Transport Canada now.

      So, imo, all this BS of protecting or not protecting JU is irrelevant. Everybody does it one way or another. Even the EU who have all these rules in place to protect their big players is doing it. On the other hand, one bad thing about such policy is that those business become inactive over time, they stop reinventing themselves. Over time this inevitably leads to problems. But if you want to develop in this business and you are not named LH or AF, you'll need help, that's for sure. So, for the time being I'm all for protecting JU. In 5-10 years though, for this very reason I'd love if government sold their shares and treat them almost the same like everyone else.

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  14. The proof that Air Serbia would be bancrupt immediately if it was not saved day by day with taxpayers money ,protectionism and discrimination against foreign carriers.

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    1. Right, and I have seen lights in the sky, proof that UFOs exist.

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  15. Interesting article in Pescanik, written on Jan 22 2015. From Jan 1 to Sep 30 , of last year, Belgrade Airport forgave Air Serbia 1.5 billion dinars of debt. Who is paying this debt then. Sorry but the taxpayers of Serbia have to pay this debt. This money could have been spent on other items , which would benefit the citizens of Serbia. So in real terms we should subtract 1.5 billion dinars of its profit from last year. How much will the citizens of Serbia have to dish out this year to the airline? The only way Air Serbia will gain now, is through protectionism. I feel bad that the citizens of Serbia are being blindsided by its government and Air Serbia. Please fell free to bring up the article on this sight so people can read this article and make comments.

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    1. Are you new here? Those claims have been thoroughly disputed here and in other online forums numerous times.

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    2. obviously a new guy. plus, that text was written by Miša "the expert in everything" Brkić, so it is very doubious from the headline

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  16. ok I'm confused.... are JU A319's actually going out of service or is that just a rumor??

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    1. Rumor. A320neo order still stands. Why change aircraft now when you will get 10 new ones in 3 years?

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  17. Temel Kotil is the head of the Association of European Airlines?! How a Middle-Eastern airline can be not just a member but its CEO a head of AEA that's beyond me. Regardless, that douche has little to say and with the departure of Alitalia, Iberia and BA now, that organization is becoming more and more meaningless by the day. LH and others are complaining to be victims of the same tools they used to conquer central-east European markets and the rest of the world, how hypocrite. Kudos on Walsh to hang down on that fool's nose, if to judge by the recent experience with TK i'm not even sure that guy can speak decent English so i don't know what he was about to say.

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    1. What a pure jealousy in your comment. TK is only airline that is able to punch MEB3 in recent years, and doesn't have barrels of fuel underneath it's country and dirty rich royalty subsidizing everything. Years of profit and real work, which translated to an airline with most destinations in the world currently, and growing. Not to mention 185 planes on order.

      Your comment is so racist. He is from Turkey, he must be fool and only speak turkish. Don't fall on INN-NS standards.

      You had bad time at TK flight. So did other people, but many had good time. It depends on many factors. I had few friends that had flown with TK, and were happy with service/price ratio. Few had flown with their older planes with no IFE, plus had bad temper stewardess and had bad time. Ataturk is mess of an airport, I admit, but business lounge there is great, and new airport is being built, so service will go up.

      And TK is not middle eastern airline, it's european, and is a member of AEA, so it's CEO can be president. He is at helm of one of the most successful flag carriers in the world since 2005. Should Hogan be AEA president? (note E in AEA stands for European)

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    2. +10 Aэrologic =D
      INN-NS

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    3. Aww, naravno da inn voli svog becara aerounlogica. Jako dobar odgovor anon 11:52

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    4. Covek je za vas Mag Aviacije i rastura vas ovde.
      A vi ne znate ni njegovo ime da napisete =D
      INN-NS

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    5. Аs a matter of fact you clearly don't know me or who are you starting an argument with. Turkey is the only country among the homes of big Middle Eastern carriers whose human development index is under the one of Iran for example (which is facing all sorts of sanctions as we all know), while shouting about their "world airline all over the world". The country is ridiculously underdeveloped.

      As someone who has lived in Turkey for a significant part of my adult life i clearly know what i'm talking about and many Turks share the same frustration. TK is just the symbol of everything that's wrong in Turkey today: zero investment in education, health services, scientific research but MAX. investment in building, building, more building (heard of the Turkish bubble?) and of course - the ultimate pride of the Turkish cumhuriyeti and the gift for 100 years of Ataturk - Turk HavaYollari. That for sure ain't right and i don't see anything racist in that. It sure looks like a big paradox, notwithstanding that it's a highly insecure and volatile investment, unlike investing in your own people and strategic infrastructure (no nuclear energy, bridges built by Japanese, trains by Koreans, everything is imported and except for tomatoes and lemons the country is pretty much dependent in everything). Does that sound to you like the home of world's "best carrier"? So, definitely, sooner or later you'll feel those gaps in the people you deal with or as soon as some unexpected situation arises.

      Secondly, how can Turkish be an European airline if Turkey is a Middle Eastern country? Right, they have 5% of territory in Europe, so what, England has as much in South America, France even more so. It is purely hypocrite and part of deceitful advertising (such as Paris = Beauvais) to label anything Turkish as European cause trust me, besides their alphabet that country has nothing European, much less than let's say Iran or Lebanon which i also happen to know quite well.

      As concerning TK in-flight service - lately i had a very good experience with them on IST-ATH, i even wrote here about it. Their short-haul catering is on par with QR. At the same time, the check-in agent at IST didn't know to speak English, that's a fact, you just have to look through Skytrax reviews and label them all as racist, ok? That's the only airport in the world where i witnessed something like that. As for Kotil, he's a clear idiot and many make fun of him in Turkey. He's been put there just as a face, he has no clue about managing an airline and he isn't taking any decisions, so sure, i was wondering what a retard like him would have to say to Walsh in regards to him leaving the AEA "lutfen stay?" :(

      I also have to correct you once again since you are clearly clueless about Turkey - the 3rd airport alongside the bridge is currently on hold cause the same government that sees TK as their new-age pyramids or tower of Babylon is about to cause an environmental disaster in the city. The airport wouldn't be ready in the next 10-15 years anyway and IST is already horrible as it is, bursting at the seams. To read more:

      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/08/bosphorus-bridge-row-istanbul-turkey

      So, now would you please STFU and not mess with me anymore?

      PS: Cheers INN ;)

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    6. So you're telling me that Turkey should stop with aviation industry which employs thousands of people there. They should remove Kotil, because he has been too much successful (btw INN, Kotil is aeronautical engineer, don't know about your friend aerologic).

      New istanbul airport is on hold for environmental issues, but for 10 -12 months, and first phase will be completed really fast. And for a project this size, 10 - 15 years isn't too long, brandenburg is in construction for 9 years and will open 2018 or 2019.

      This thing about Japanese or Koreans building a country, welcome to globalisation, can't blame them for taking best people for the job. Should they've taken croatian trains or korean? Nonetheless, their people will be employed in building infrastructure. But you say it would be better to not develop that aswell.

      I believe you know problems people face there since you lived there. But what you wrote is problem pretty much everywhere on Balkans, but they are atleast developing infrastructure. They are negotiating membership in EU. They have second largest armed forces in NATO.

      The amount of arrogance in your writing is so funny, you must think so highly of yourself. I find it funny how you cheer with INN, when you should distance with that troll that has zero respect on this forum. But he is building your ego by praising you with Mag Avijacije title, let's cheer with that child.


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    7. Aerologic, you have once more successfully proven yourself one of the greatest racists/chauvinists on this blog. Congratulations on that - a few posters managed to be such a disgrace for this place and the mankind in general. You hardly have any decent competition.

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  18. 737-300 is simply too small for AYT demand that Argus tours and 1A Travel have in peak season. Should be OK for BJV for Argus though, since they used it a couple of years ago.

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