Thursday, July 28, 2016

Swiss to suspend Sarajevo flights


Swiss International Air Lines will suspend services between Zurich and Sarajevo at the end of the 2016 summer season, making it the fourth destination in the former Yugoslavia to be terminated by the carrier this year. In a statement to EX-YU Aviation News, the airline said, "We will discontinue our service to Sarajevo with the start of the winter timetable as a result of demand-related adjustments to our network. This is part of a continuous process in which we regularly assess and reassess our destination portfolio on the basis of the respective market conditions and their potential". Swiss will operate its last service between Zurich and Sarajevo on Friday, October 28. The airline is maintaining three weekly flights on the route this summer.

Earlier this year, Swiss terminated services from Zurich to Ljubljana, as well as from Geneva to Sarajevo and Belgrade. Furthermore, its subsidiary Edelweiss Air has cancelled flights from Zurich to Podgorica. It comes following Swiss' aggressive expansion into the former Yugoslav market last summer when it launched operations from Zurich to Ljubljana, Zagreb, Sarajevo and Podgorica (operated by Edelweiss), as well as from Geneva to Sarajevo and Skopje. As a result, Sarajevo will no longer have a direct air link to one of Europe's busiest airports. Previously, B&H Airlines maintained flights between the two cities but the route was suspended after the airline was grounded in June 2015.

In a statement last year, Swiss told EX-YU Aviation News, “The former Yugoslav market is very interesting for Swiss, as there is a big community from the Balkan area living in Switzerland. Therefore, there is a high demand for flights to these countries. We focus on our customer’s needs from and to Switzerland. The growth is based on our market analysis that identified a great demand for the Balkan area. It is an important and big market for Swiss". The carrier's Star Alliance partner, Croatia Airlines, could potentially launch flights between Sarajevo and Zurich. It plans to open a base in Bosnia and Herzegovina's capital during the summer of 2017. The airline has previously said it will define its plans by the end of the year.

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    1. not realy
      https://www.swiss.com/corporate/EN/media/newsroom/press-releases/media-release-20161004

      "More frequencies on selected European routes

      SWISS will also be raising its frequencies between Zurich and a number of cities in Europe this winter in response to increased demand. Hamburg receives four new weekly flights, Berlin two, Krakow two and Belgrade one. At the same time, services will be suspended for the winter period between Zurich and Zagreb, Sarajevo and Istanbul."

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    2. You can book tickets for next year

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  2. They were always relatively full when I flew with them. I guess the yield was poor.

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    1. It's basically the money an airline makes on a certain route.

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    2. G Driver you should know that.

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  3. It's interesting that Swiss has been beaten on pretty much all new ex-yu markets they entered. In Podgorica by Montenegro Airlines and in Slovenia by Adria. As for Sarajevo this is good news for Lufthansa and Austrian who will just take those passengers that use to fly to Zurich (and my guess is most of them were transfers).

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    1. Edelweiss was supposed to launch Banja Luka too but they walked away in the end.

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  4. Which aircraft do they use for their SJJ flights?

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  5. small correction GVA-SKP is not operated by Edelweiss

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    1. Strange that they didn't cancel that route also...

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    2. Not a whole lot of competition in SKP.

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    3. Yeah, but I flew with them to Geneva last october and I paid my ticket only 50€...

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    4. AnonymousJuly 28, 2016 at 11:05 AM

      either you don"t know what you're talking about or you need to elaborate on your definition of competition:
      in SKP you have 2 major alliances present:
      Star with Adria, Croatia, Austrian and Turkish and Sky with Alitalia and CSA. Furthermore you have Air Serbia and Fly dubai. And then you have the budget carriers like Wizzair and Germania.

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  6. I read that they will discontinue Zagreb too.

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    1. They won't, they are considering cutting the winter schedule as tough competition from OU has reduced Swiss to only four weekly flights. in Winter they're looking reducing their flights to twice weekly service or cutting it down till April 20017.

      OU has 10 weekly flights to Zurich and price is lower than what Swiss if offering.

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    2. Plus OU offers a much better onboard product.

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    3. OU has 14 weekly flight to ZRH just from ZAG, and several flight from SPU, DBV and PUY.

      During winter they have 14 weekly flights from ZAG.

      There is no Swiss flights to ZAG in reservation system from winter. It can happen they will put it latter but it is very strange that 3 months in advance you can not buy ticket, but only with code-share on Croatia. That indicate it is more than possible they will stop ZAG flights in winter time-table.

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    4. OU does not offer better onboard product than LX: the seat distance is the same and with LX at least you get a complementary Sandwich + drink+ swiss chocolate before landing vs 2 crackers and a drink from OU.

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  7. Swiss' ex-YU expansion has been such an epic fail. The market is there, they just couldn't capture it. I mean, they had a monopoly on SJJ-ZRH and they still couldn't make it! They've also suffered quite a bit on BEG-ZRH since Air Serbia was setup.

    To me it seems like their sales team for this part of the world is rather incompetent.

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    1. It's not that they couldn't capture, in fact they were doing pretty good in all markets. But big daddy LH prefers to consolidate all connection traffic in FRA and MUC (and partially VIE), ZRH is out of game now. Swiss will focus on more point-to-point traffic, perhaps will merge with Eurowings in a few years.

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    2. Are you sure? From what I could see quite a few flights ex-BEG are routed via ZRH when you try to purchase a ticket on lh.com

      Also, the Swiss market is way too premium-heavy for LX to be merged with Eurowings. This does not mean EW won't be expanding in Switzerland.

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    3. Not true!

      When you buy ticket to third destination you can do it via any of Lufthansa group airport (FRA, MUC, VIE and ZRH).

      3 months ago I had ZAG-ZRH-TLS-FRA-ZAG flight. It was the cheapest offer in LH system (they give you all possibility via all their airports for different prices).

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    4. Nemjee, I may not understand your love for Cyprus Airlines, but I totally agree with you on your comment regarding a possible merger between LX and EW- it aint't gonna happen: their premium Product is one of the best so why would Lufthansa undo all this and merge LX with EW?? In termns of Profit i remember at least in 2014 its net Profit was as big as of Lufthansa itself. Just because it "fails" in the ex-yu market it does not mean that its not doing good elsewhere.

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    5. Purger,

      Obviously they sell tickets via all their hubs, I never said otherwise. I said that usually the cheapest fares tend to be via ZRH on Swiss.

      Last anon,

      Exactly, Switzerland is way too premium heavy for it to have a lowcost as its national carrier. The only thing that might happen is for Eurowings to takeover some low-yielding routes (like ex-YU) and to replace Edelweiss on certain long-haul, leisure routes.

      As for Cyprus Airways, I lived in Cyprus for over 14 years so it's because of that. :)

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    6. Nemjee, by "not true", I did not mean you, but Anonymous before you whom you also demand.

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  8. Agree with Nemjee, what an epic fail on their part on a market they should have done quite well.

    To BEG at least I notice they have been sending A321s lately.

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    1. I don't think they were struggling in summer, it's the other months that were giving them a headache. Even this winter season BEG will have 7 or 8 weekly flights which is relatively weak, especially when compared to Air Serbia's 13.

      Who knows, maybe they will bring back double daily frequencies as more and more C-series arrive.

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    2. More than a half LX BEG operations in July were carried out with A321.

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    3. I think more than half of LH night flights were operated by the A321 as well.

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  9. I read it too. They will discontinue Zagreb service while the winter months and resume again from S17

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    1. Disaster. That would mean they failed on all new markets except Skopje.

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    2. Yeah but no one can fail in SKP! :)

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    3. BEG is not a new market for them, they've been flying there continuously since 1999.

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  10. Nov super clanak Purgera na temu kako legacy carrieri mogu da odgovore low costu

    http://tangosix.rs/2016/26/07/kako-odgovoriti-na-ekspanziju-low-cost-avio-kompanija/

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  11. Wow not sure how people here will process that a large western European carrier could fail on so many ex-Yu markets in a scope of less than a year.

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  12. This is a real shame for Sarajevo. Not so much for loosing Swiss but because it no longer has flights to another major European city. There are now no flights to any major European city - Frankfurt, Paris, London, Zurich, Rome...

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    1. Who cares, as long as there are 10 daily flights to Istanbul. *rolls eyes*

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    2. IST flights are there because there is demand.

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    3. Are you saying there is no demand for AMS or FRA flights? o_O

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    4. I'm saying if you want to investigate what happened to flights between SJJ and major western European cities, you will not get too many explanations by posting malicious comments on Istanbul.

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    5. It's not a malicious comment it's a mere description of an unfortunate political reality here in Bosnia.

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    6. Why do we have to start talking about politics everytime here? Do you really think, that Swiss cares about BiH politics? IST flights have demand, ZRH flights obviously didn't. Simple as that.

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  13. C Series once weekly as per 14nov in BEG

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    1. Nice!! I have a feeling that soon all winter flights will be operated by C-series.

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  14. Great opportunity for Croatia Airlines to jump in and start these flights.

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    1. Does anyone know which destinations they could potentially open from SJJ?

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    2. Amsterdam, Paris, Brussels and possibly Zurich?

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    3. Makes perfect sense. Once they get completely wiped out of ZAG they will need alternative bases for their fleet.

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    4. And frankfurt

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  15. Dejan MilinkovićJuly 28, 2016 at 11:16 AM

    Slight OT. From winter timetable on Saturday Swiss morning flight to BEG will be operated by CS100.

    BR,
    Dejan

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    1. Hope you will be there to take a picture of this historic moment. :)

      Can't wait for the C-series to become a daily visitor.

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    2. Except, of course, if you're a passenger on that flight, in which case you'll find out what sardines feel like inside a tin.

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  16. BTW one of Adria's crew accidentally activated the evacuation slide in London yesterday while the plane was on ground. Flight was delayed for over 5 hours.

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    1. I feel bad for laughing but how does one do that? Shouldn't there be a mechanism against this happening?

      Was it an A319?

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    2. Yep here is a photo

      http://i.imgur.com/oG3bEdl.png

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    3. So the mechanism can stop them from activating the slide in a real emergency??

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    4. The mechanism on A320 series only prevents slide deployment when door is opened from outside (which makes sense). Otherwise if slide is armed, when you open it from inside, slide will deploy.

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    5. Whatever happened to "cabin crew disarm doors and cross check"? :)

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  17. It probably won't impact Sarajevo's numbers too much but still sad to see them go.

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  18. ADMIN, OVA LINIJA SE UKIDA "SAMO" PREKO ZIME. SWISS OD 26 MARTA POVOVO LETI 3X SEDMICNO ZA SARAJEVO!

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    1. Would you mind not using caps. Simple etiquette.

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    2. Like Jovan83 wrote below

      "Linija ZRH-SJJ-ZRH se ukida u potpunosti... Od danas/sutra/prekosutra nisu mogući bukiranja na toj relaciji to vazi i za iducu godinu "

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  19. Linija ZRH-SJJ-ZRH se ukida u potpunosti... Od danas/sutra/prekosutra nisu mogući bukiranja na toj relaciji to vazi i za iducu godinu

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    1. Nije tacno Jovan83 ja kupio 4 karte za Septembar

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  20. Anyone have some more info on this:

    http://www.aviatica.rs/nema-odgovora-sta-se-desava-sa-avionima-air-serbije/

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    1. Zar nije isto tako bio nedavno clanak kada je Aviatica trazila pristup informacijama od javnog znacaja. Da li ima nekih noviteta po tom pitanju?

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    2. YU-ALN seems to have had a problem in VIE this morning. There was a delay of over 2 hours.

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    3. A gde su u analizi YU-API i YU-APJ? Nisu se kvarili pa nisu zaminljivi?

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    4. Jel i ovo pisala ista osoba?

      http://www.aviatica.rs/air-serbia-bez-aviona-bez-dozvole-za-letove-njujorka/

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    5. Ali ja ne vidim u cemu je problem? Covek nije napisao nista sporno vec je samo podelio sa nama informacije koje su svima dostupne. Cheerleadersice su podjednako iritantne kao i takozvani hejteri.

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    6. Ne vidiš u čemu je problem ali zato vidiš čirlidersice koje se uopšte nisu javljale danas. Svako dete već zna za tu bruku i sramotu od sajta koje samo u Srbiji može da uživa status "novinara koji ima pravo na informacije". I dalje mu na sajtu stoji potpuno izfabrikovana izmišljotina o tome kako ASL nije dobila dozvole za JFK, kako će avion biti vraćen Jetu, kao i još ohoho vesti koje je lik bukvalno IZMISLIO. Ništa od toga nikada nije povukao niti se izvinio za masovno dezinformisanje javnosti ali je ljut na ASL što neće da komuniciraju sa njim. Flota je trenutno napregnuta kao i svakog leta, ispadanja se dešavaju i šta sad, otkrio nam je neku veliku zaveru koja se krije od građana?

      Ne znam ko je ovde luđi majke mi - on sa svojim izmišljotinama, vi koji jedva čekate njegovu sledeću izmišljotinu jer vam prija ušima, ili mi koji vam uzalud ukazujemo kakav propagandista je u pitanju. Za vas će svako ko vam ukazuje na nečiju ciljanu propagandu uvek biti "čirlidersica", nema tu pomoći.

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    7. Covek ocigledno ima neki licni problem sa ASL, pa neki avioni su na redovnom odrzavanju, neki su ispali. Drugim kompanijama se to ne desava???
      Covek koji je izmislio sa A330 ima problema itd da ne dolazi, za mene ne mora vise da pise uopste.

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    8. Stvar je u tome sto je pokazao da postoji relativno opasan problem sto se tice bezbednosti JU kao kompanije. Naravno da se svima desavaju ovakve stvari ali ovakva ucestalost ipak nije normalna.

      Ne razumem zasto prave nerelan saobracaj tokom leta. Posle se pitaju zasto i kako. Budimo realni. Shvatam da ne treba napadati JU za svaku glupost ali ovo nije jedan od tih trenutaka.

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    9. Gde je problem u bezbednosti? Prilično je očigledno da ne puštaju avione sa problemima u saobraćaj upravo kako bezbednost ne bi bila ugrožena. Za šta konkretno treba da ih napadamo u ovom slučaju?

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    10. Zar nisi procitao koliko cesto im se vracaju avioni? To znaci da polecu neispravni!

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    11. OK čovek je provalio nekoliko bisera u prošlosti i nema puno kredibiliteta.

      Ali ovaj podataka sa tolikim ispadanjima stvarno treba da zabrine. I to nitko nije demantovao. Ako je to istina onda je ovo više nego zbrinjavajuće.

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    12. Ali nema sta da se demantuje kada sve to moze da se vidi na FR24.

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    13. Kad se vec raspravlja o tim temama, a330 je jucer bio u Rimu, pretpostavljam na nekom zahvatu. Kolko ja znam, to je treci put od kad su krenuli letovi za SAD. Dva puta Rim i jednom Duseldorf. Jel to normalno odrzavanje ili vanredne situacije? Nemam namjeru provocirati ili bilo sta. Da nwbi netko krivo shvatio.

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    14. Ne uopste nisi u pravu, covek je na grafikonu napisao da je i a330 ispadao, a to uopste nije tacno. Svi mi znamo sa koje strane duva taj portal

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    15. Regular check, has to be done once every 10 days.

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    16. AnonymousJuly 28, 2016 at 4:33 PM

      A gde je pisalo da je A332 ispadao? Proveri jos jednom pre nego sto lupas.

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    17. Pise da je YU-ARA ispao 20.6 i 24.6 (?)

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    18. Verovatno je mislio na YU-APA.

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    19. Onda taman ispada da je to ta redovna provjera. Odprilike svakih 10 dana.

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    20. Nije mislio na YU-APA jer je i on pomenut da je ispao 27.3 , 22.5, 27.7.2016

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    21. Tamo jasno pise Yu-ara sa sve slikom.
      at4:35 tebi bi bilo bolje da malo citas pre nego napadnes ljude indijancu.

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    22. „Stvar je u tome sto je pokazao da postoji relativno opasan problem sto se tice bezbednosti JU kao kompanije.“

      Potpuna laž, kao što je lagao u vezi dozvola za let za Ameriku. EC je zabranila čitav niz avio kompanija od operacija u EU, Air Serbija NIJE na toj listi. FAA je nedavno zabranio TK da leti za Ameriku i ima moć da zabrani drugim avio kompanijama da lete ali Air Serbija nema nikakvu zabranu u Americi. Zar taj „novinar“ misli da poseduje veće znanje i da je sposobniji da procenjuje da li je Air Serbija bezbedna od ovih tela i njihovih stručnjaka? Sedi jedan!

      Bolje bi mu bilo da napiše zašto je danas let Swiss LX1418 A321 ZRH-BEG umesto u 17:35 po redu letenja poleteo iz Ciriha tek u 22:56! Kakvo sramotno kašnjenje od 6 sati i „relativno opasan problem“ za ovu avio kompaniju jer je ovaj let i prethodnih dana mnogo kasnio.

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    23. @11:44 Gde sme da spomene bilo šta u negativnom kontekstu o LX ili LH?

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    24. Hehe, pa nisam ni očekivao od njega da će da pita Croatiju zašto joj poslednjih nedelja ispadaju DASH-evi :)

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  21. Damn was really hoping to use their service this winter. They are quite cheap for a legacy carrier.

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  22. This service is not succesful because it relies too much on transfers.
    For a success you need much more Point to Point(P2P) pax.
    P2P = one flight for one price
    Transfer = two flights for the price of one resulting in much less earnings.

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    1. Really? So how would you explain the everlasting success of JA on that route - if I remember correctly their only profitable route? They must have had almost 100% P2P.

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  23. OT - Did anyone notice two diversions at BEG today, Aegean to Frankfurt and Travelservice to Hamburg?

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  24. OT: Busy day for AVIOLET, except the charters today B733 flew to TXL, STR, SKG, TGD, ARN. Nicely done AirSerbia.

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    1. Yeah very nice having to use their charter birds of lower class.

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    2. They probably needed the extra capacity.

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    3. Anon. 16.27 Too many passengers for airbuses, no business class passengers.Smart move by Air Serbia.

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  25. why not try Edelweiss on ex-yu routes like in SKP?

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    1. Edelweiss already operates for LX to SKP and PRN

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    2. well why not to the rest of ex-Yu. cheaper then Swiss mainline

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  26. Sorry to see them go. Good airline. SJJ really needs to keep these sort of airlines.

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  27. Swiss is also suspending Istanbul.

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  28. Thats right, as of WITT no more LX to IST
    right move. IST yields are completely down

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    1. Even TK is feeling it, they are slowly starting to downsize, starting with their employees.

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    2. 211 employees were fired because of collaboration with putsch.

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    3. Yaeh many downsizes of TK to ZRH as well. Plan for ZRH during SUTT was 2 daily A330 but thats quite often downsized to A320 A321

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  29. OT: Hotel to be built in front of new Zagreb terminal

    http://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/zagreb/hotel-na-plesu-imat-ce-150-soba-bio-bar-wellness-i-pogled-na-turopolje/4564259/

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  30. In the meanwhile, Belgrade NT airport is hoping to build its hotel near Save centar, some 15 km away from the airfield...

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    1. ..or 10min. away.

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    2. @12:42

      Irrelevant. What BEG needs is a transit hotel, accessible on foot from the terminal building, or at the very least on the airport grounds with round-the-clock free shuttle service. There are loads of hotels in Belgrade, why would BEG need one more of those downtown? It makes no difference whatsoever in what is currently offered to pax.

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    3. Ne lupaj teske gluposti, kada recimo letis preko Rima ili Milana Al Italia ima zakupljene hotele u okolini gde smesta putnike nikada na samom aerodromu. Aerodrom nema nista sa tobom u vezi smestaja. Aerodromski hoteli su nezavisne institucije. Ako bude neko zelo da ga otvara treba mu obezbediti mesto i naplatiti.

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  31. BNX bi bio veci uspeh zato sto ima vise O-D putnika.
    INN-NS

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  32. https://www.swiss.com/corporate/EN/media/newsroom/press-releases/media-release-20161004

    "More frequencies on selected European routes

    SWISS will also be raising its frequencies between Zurich and a number of cities in Europe this winter in response to increased demand. Hamburg receives four new weekly flights, Berlin two, Krakow two and Belgrade one. At the same time, services will be suspended for the winter period between Zurich and Zagreb, Sarajevo and Istanbul."

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  33. Btw. We booked tickets for August/September 2017 no problems
    i think you can book as early as May

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