Monday, October 9, 2017

Zagreb Airport anticipates more long haul flights


Zagreb Airport expects to secure more long haul flights in the coming period as both its management and the Croatian government seek to improve connectivity to far-away markets. Following a successful showing at the recent World Routes summit, where the most senior representatives from airlines, airports and tourism authorities met, planned and discussed new and existing global air services, Croatia's busiest airport anticipates securing nonstop flights to the United States, which have been in the works for some time. The development comes after Air Canada Rouge became the latest airline to announce services to Zagreb, which are to commence from Toronto next June and operate four times per week on a seasonal summer basis.

The Croatian Minister for Tourism, Gari Cappelli, has said that talks are currently underway with a number of carriers. "The Ministry's strategic goal is to develop Croatia as a destination which is accessible to various airlines, particularly before and after the height of the summer season. We are directing a part of our funds towards closer cooperation with airlines, which will result in more flights to all of our airports. We are turning towards the Far East and the Middle East. Since January, we have been in talks with a number of large global and European carriers, as well as tour operators. I am certain that the result of these talks will be visible next year with a strong increase in visitors from non-traditional markets", Mr Cappelli said recently. He added that flights to the US are expected to commence from Zagreb next year, initially on a seasonal summer basis. In addition, the Minister recently met with representatives from Emirates to discuss further cooperation and joint promotion on particular markets.

Zagreb Airport ad targeting airlines

As part of its efforts to attract new long haul flights, Zagreb Airport has rolled out an incentives programme aimed at airlines operating services longer than seven hours. Such carriers are exempt from paying any landing fees at Zagreb during the first year, 50% during the second year and 25% during the third year if the route is run at least thirteen times in any given six-month period on a scheduled basis. Furthermore, airlines operating such flights are exempt from 40% of the passenger service charge during the first year, 20% during the second and 10% during the third year. The airport has further rolled out supplementary long haul incentives, which are also aimed at reducing fees for operating carriers.

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  1. Soon, new big news for ZAG!

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  2. US flights next up.

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    1. Not sure about new US flights, would be nice, but I am somewhat skeptical US flights can be secured before 2020.

      There was a possibility with Air Serbia 5th freedom via Zagreb to NYC, but Air Serbia in deep financial wows we can forget any chance of that.

      LOT might be willing to base an B767 in Zagreb to do NYC flights, like they did in Budapest, however this is unlikely to happen before 2020.

      Delta launching NYC-Zagreb and Atlanta - Zagreb flights on a seasonal basis is a possibility but not before 2020.

      Nearly 400 000 US Visitors are expected to visit Croatia this year, 500 000 next year, so there's a need for a direct link, however don't think it'll happen before 2020.

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  3. Obviously United to EWR!

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    1. That would be amazing.

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    2. As far as I've heard it will be Delta or United, which would be great. I like the fact that they will start seasonal flights, and, if they are succesful, maybe year long.

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    3. Cool although I think Norwegian would also be a good option.

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  4. Well Emirates will be decreased to four per week from February so they should try and keep what they have.

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    1. Decreased? Says who?

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    2. It operates as scheduled 5x a week with B777-300ER and goes to daily from the beginning of Summer 2018 as planned.

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    3. Like someone already wrote tour operators have been issued with a notice that the flight will be reduced to 4 per week in February. It will be in the system soon.

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    4. The day which is being cut has not been disclosed yet.

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    5. *But it seems to be a shortterm thing.

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    6. EK still has great loads to and from ZAG, reducing flights to 4pw is not a big deal.

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    7. I work for a major touroperator and have never seen that notice you are talking about

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    8. Then you should check with your superiors. Notices have already been sent to people who are traveling in February.

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    9. than you are bad tour operator because you already can not book flights with Emirates on Wednesdays from Zagreb in February and March!

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    10. Stop spreading disinformations. EK is doing fine and as expected in ZAG

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    11. man, the fact is that they moved one flight (Wed) in February. They are obviously doing "fine".

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    12. There’s been lots of speculation regarding ZAG and EK, including the possibility that EK may hand ZAG back over to FZ for 10 weekly rotations year-round but nothing has been decided for certain. So let’s just wait to hear the real truth for once before jumping to tabloid conclusions.

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    13. Mon and Wed are not moved, it is scheduled long time ago and it is 5pw. Obsession with EK in ZAG is still on track.

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    14. It will be four weekly only in February, it's not a permanent thing. Zagreb has solid demand in summer but from October to April it's relatively dead. Emirates has no problems filling planes in summer but...

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    15. lol, you can go on emirates.com and put some dates in and u will see, I don't need tabloid conclusions to see that here is just 4 weekly flights in February.

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    16. Could EK fly DXB-ZAG-EWR/JFK?

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    17. Anon 09.29

      Tour operators were informed about the change by the airline that there is a possibility of the flights being reduced to 4 during the month of February. It's not ab obsession. To me it seems more like you are still in denial.

      Remember how some predicted on here that EK will even send its A380 to ZAG? Seems like someone overestimated their effect, especially since they didn't contribute as much to the growth of the airport.

      BEG with just two additional weekly long-haul flights had a slightly lower growth in terms of percentages. With all the new flights ZAG should have had 20%+ like SKP did when Wizz started flying there.

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    18. I checked february and march on emirates.com, it is 5pw every week.
      As I said, obsession with EK in ZAG is on track!! :)

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    19. So any comment about EK and ZAG is considered an obsession now? How interesting.

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    20. hahaahah!! they stopped immediately after checking emirates.com and when they realized that there is 5 flights per week :D lol

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    21. The mail said that the airline is considering it, not that they have done it. It will be announced by the end of the summer season, so we have another two weeks or so.

      Read before you comment. Also, don't forget that EK has already reduced ZAG once before.

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    22. It can say whatever on the website. Tour operators have been informed (and some passengers) that there will be a reduction during February (only that month) of one flight per week. Like I said in the original post the day has not been advised yet and the reduction seems to be short term - only 1 month.

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    23. Somebody already reported this yesterday

      "On Thursday our tour agency and I suppose others as well received a memo that EK will be reducing ZAG to 4 weekly for roughly two and a half weeks in February. Anyone know how their bookings are so far? I know winter is slower but I am wondering how their loads have been so far? They said that they will let us know by 'winter' what day will be suspended. Shame those A332s are gone."

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    24. Wow. You must all be soooo concerned about Emirates in ZAG. Thank god you have no other things to do in life but loathing over possible one less flight a week in February.

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    25. Wow, 2 and a half weeks in February they will be flying 4pw! Terrible...not!

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    26. Nobody is loathing. Chill. It's an aviation forum, what else are we going to discuss about especially since today's article is about ZAG? I personally think that ZAG should be congratulated for having Emirates. It's a big thing and nobody thinks less of the airport if the flights is operated 4,5 or 7 times per week. It's still a B777 op which is fantastic for any airport in this region. Don't take things so personally.

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    27. They are not reducing Venice flights - folks from westeren Croatia, Istria, Rijeka use VCE airport quite often.

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    28. If I'm taking it personally, then you are as well, hon.

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    29. So what are you suggesting? I shouldn't discuss something that concerns long haul flying from/to ZAG on an aviation site with the topic about long haul flying from/to ZAG just because you might not like it.

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    30. Did I suggest anything? Write whatever you want and I'll reply to it. Is there a problem?

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    31. Interesting how Air Serbia sends A330 to Abu Dhabi for heavy maintenance, and 6 cancelled long-haul flights from BEG are nothing, and at the same time 3 (maybe) cancelled long-haul flights from ZAG during absolutely slowest aviation month are catastrophy and disaster. Such double stanards of some people here, unbelievable

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    32. Not really because that was heavily discussed when it was reported here that the flights would be cancelled because of aircraft maintenance back in May. Also I remember absolute hysteria here when Air Serbia announced it would fly 3-4 times per week during the winter which was down on initial plan from 5 per week. Also I doubt some tour operator from Serbia had info about EK reducing a flight to Zagreb. Look closer to home. And also refresh your memory.

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    33. You should know that it is taboo to discuss anything other than "Bravo Croatia" on any topic related to Croatia here. If you do you "loath" Croatia or Zagreb o.O

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    34. So when I give facts and numbers, you tell me to look closer to home. LOL!
      You've just confirmed my statement, and all people not blinded by hatry can see it

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    35. Such a pametnjaković you are.

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    36. What facts and numbers did you give? If you are referring to Air Serbia I told you it was discussed quite a lot, contrary to your "and nothing" comment. It was discussed when it was announced. In May 2017. Also I don't exactly see that anyone said a reduction of one flight per week was a catastrophy or disaster. My closer to home comment refereed to the original poster who said that they were informed as a tour operator, so it is unlikely to be someone from Serbia, as you labelled them straight away because you didn't like what was written. My assumption is that it's someone from Croatia or Slovenia since they sell these flights, hence closer to home. Lastly how on earth am I blinded by "hatry"?!?

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    37. Mentioning Air Serbia's two week suspension is pointless given that they will have more flights to New York this winter. smh

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    38. Alen Šćuric PurgerOctober 9, 2017 at 10:45 AM

      In Emirates it is still 5pw during February. You can book flight on -2-4567

      In summer there is every day flight in their system.

      7pw in summer and 5pw in winter with 777-300ER is more than impressive. That is 22.000 passengers per month during summer and 16.000 passengers per month during winter.

      If they will cut it to 4pw, and even to 3pw in winter that will be impressive. 4pw should be very good in February which is slow month in region. Most of companies make extra cuts in February. Remember huge cuts last February by Air Serbia?

      But for now it is in system 5pw during February and 7pw in summer. You can buy ticket on those frequencies in this moment.

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    39. Once again Purger misses the point of the discussion. No one said they have cut it but that there is a possibility of them doing so.

      Also, why are you immediately using ASL as an example of February cuts? Why not BA and OK in ZAG last February?

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    40. Anon 10:51 you and similar anonymous like you are reason why Croats using other forums to follow airlines and airports. Just talking about ASL, BEG, comparing all the time (like some Croats also!) Horrible, stop with negative comments and try to write something useful and smart, all the time competition, but negative!

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    41. Alen Šćuric PurgerOctober 9, 2017 at 11:34 AM

      Did not miss the point. Some Anonymous here claimed here that in Emirates system is already 4pw in February. And that is not true.

      Also some on this forum said there would be 4pw in summer and that in this moment you can book 7pw.

      We all know there was OK cut in ZAG last February (can not remember about BA cuts as far as I know they had 6pw all winter, but maybe I am wrong). But those were just few flights.

      Air Serbia had huge cuts in February. And for sure it is much better example how February is slow in region and how companies reacts.

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    42. Alen Šćuric PurgerOctober 9, 2017 at 11:37 AM

      *Also some on this forum said there would be 4pw in summer and that it is also not true as in this moment you can book 7pw.

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    43. Omg...there can't be a single post about Zagreb without negative, childish comments and comparisons to Belgrade! You are so pathetic and so insecure and you know well who you are. Zagreb got the Emirates. It got Air Canada Rouge. It has double daily Qatar Airways flights to Doha and it will get other, long haul flights to the US and South Korea for sure, highly likely to China as well. Get over it already.

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    44. @MichaelOctober 9, 2017 at 12:36 PM

      Indeed, it is nice to see Zagreb moving on, i wont join on Emirates 4 or 5 weekly nonsense, i am just happy Emirates is doing rounds and Zagreb is finally growing.

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  5. Amazing. Awesome news for ZAG and Croatia. ZAG has so much potential. OU should leverage from these opportunities and help make ZAG a true transfer hub for the area. Great infrastructure and member of Star Alliance.

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  6. Wonder which airlines they are talking to.

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    1. Korean Air is definitely one of them, ANA and China Southern or Eastern might also be there somewhere. Not sure who else.

      Can't see NYC flights happening any time soon, I would love to see it happen but it won't.

      Korean Air as there are over 400 000 Korean visitors to Croatia, ANA or JAL as they used to fly to Zagreb and there are over 170 000 Japanese visitors to Croatia, numbers will go up.
      China Eastern, Air China or China Southern might be also looking to add Zagreb at some point as number of Chinese visitors to Croatia is going up sharply, 44% yoy growth, 165000 expected this year, 240 000 next year and by 2020 over 400 000 Chinese visitors to Croatia.

      Air India might happen but not before 2020, as number of Indian visitors is also going up sharply, 65000 expected this year, 90-100 000 in 2018, 130-140 000 in 2019 and 200 000 in 2020.
      Air Transat might add Montreal to Zagreb, and stop Toronto flights due to Air Canada flights.


      Come 2018 we'll have following long routes,

      Dubai with Emirates, Toronto with Air Canada. Qatar might be considered long route as well, but they're flying A321 on the route, so.



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  7. I really do hope that something materializes out of this.

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  8. I'm not sure...I'll say Korean Air, but they mentioned US (again...).

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    1. I think there is more of a possibility that Korean will keep current operations to Zagreb and launch seasonal or charter flights to Dubrovnik.

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    2. ZAG is full of Koreans, especially now, no doubt they will increase their presence in ZAG soon.

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    3. yeah, that is possible too, but for Zagreb as a airport is better to have direct seasonal flight to Seoul instead 13 charter flights...

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  9. They have been delaying flights from Zagreb to US each year. Hope it finally happens in 2018!

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  10. Nice lineup of planes and airlines at ZAG in that photo :)

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    1. Actually except for the Germanwings plane all seem to be Croatia Airlines jets :D The two Iberia CRJ1000s are actually Air Nostrum operating for OU. Spotting in ZAG has become more fun especially during summer with so many different airlines.

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  11. The Emirates example and the fact that all long hauls to ZAG are operated seasonally shows that the airport MUST work on seasonality. It's a major issue at all airports but they should do everything to get airlines to fly year round.

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    1. And how exactly can they do that? It's not the airport that can create demand where there is none. They have reduced their charges which is pretty much all they can do.

      Face remains that in terms of long-haul, Zagreb is lagging behind Belgrade, Vienna and Budapest. Seems like so far they only managed to secure Canada which has a lot of local passengers.

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    2. You can offer incentives for year long flights.

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    3. I think they already do that.

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  12. If there will be flights to the US I assume sales would have to start very soon.

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  13. Well done. It seems the Croatian government is really trying to attract as many new customers as possible.

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  14. Way too much capacity for such a small country with only 4 Million inhabitants and 8 international airports.

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    1. You are forgetting about the tourism industry.

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    2. and for 17 milion tourists...yeah, such a small market hahahah

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    3. Tourism is on the coast, not in Zagreb. Look at the growth at various airports and all will be clear.

      Demand out of Zagreb has been overestimated. Winter is brutal, TK is still keeping flights as 10 weekly, Aeroflot doesn't even fly daily, Emirates is reducing flights...

      So far only AC Rouge is coming and that's because of the diaspora.

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    4. Of course you will have direct long houl flights to Zagreb, first, it's a capital, second, it's a brand new terminal, other airports in Croatia would just have problems on apron (excluding DBV) with handling. Also, traveling from Zagreb on the coast is so easy by car, plane or train and tourist from long houl destinations doing that almost as a regular thing.

      AC Rouge, just for diaspora? So there is enough diaspora for 4 weekly flights? + 2 Air Transat? In Canada is, what, how many Croats? Sorry man, but u are really bad with this, try do read some book, watch some videos, maybe will be better..

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    5. 17 million tourists are irrelevant here, we are only looking at those that reach Croatia by air.

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    6. Ok, than u have more than 8 million pax on Croatian airports and there is more than 2 million pax from long houl destinations. Any comments?

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    7. Yes, one comment. So 100% of passengers at Croatian airports are tourists? What do locals do and those who are visiting the country for reasons other than tourism? They fly via LJU?

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    8. the % of locals and business passengers is ridiculous small in total percentage. Specially on coast, slightly bigger in Zagreb. But if u want, take 1 million down as a locals and you still have huge number.

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    9. Hahah so you are implying that if Croatia didn't have any tourists, Zagreb airport would handle as many passengers as SKP or TGD? hahahah

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    10. Anon 09:46AM
      To correct you, you Know-It-All Anon, there is, believe it or not, tourism in Zagreb as well and even throught the whole year. I guess all 1mil+ foreign tourists that stay in Zagreb come on foot or in best case - drive.

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    11. They visit Zagrab as part of a larger tour. For example they fly into Vienna and then take a bus to visit Bratislava, Budapest, Zagreb and then back to Vienna.

      That's why we mentioned tourists who visit the city by air. It's an aviation forum, not a tourism one. That's why we are taking a closer look at a certain branch of tourism, not the overall situation.

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    12. Alen Šćuric PurgerOctober 9, 2017 at 10:53 AM

      In Zagreb there will be 1,2 million tourists this year. More than in Dubrovnik, and it is like that for few years now. 0,3 million out of this are long-haul tourists.

      2 million tourists in Croatia are long-haul.

      Croatia will have 9,6 million air passengers this year.

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    13. Once again you have missed the point Purger. We are not talking about overall tourist numbers but about thsoe that flew in by plane.

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    14. so what is wrong with Purger's post? You should read carefully. 2 million tourist in Croatia are long-houl, they are not coming by plane? with submarine or what?

      9,6 million air passengers this year. They are coming by air balloons? Yesus, people...

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    15. Stop trying to be funny. Tell me, how did all those Chinese tourists come to Croatia? By a submarine or by flying to either VIE or BUD?

      Same thing with most other ones.

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    16. But no one mentioned how they came here, on direct flights or with stopover somewhere!? I really don't know what you want to say, numbers are here, presented to public, u should do some research...

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    17. Alen Šćuric PurgerOctober 9, 2017 at 11:41 AM

      My god, your are so funny Anonymous 11:05. We are talking of potentials of future long-haul flights. So, if one country have 2 million passengers from other continents for sure that is huge potential for long-haul routes in future.

      And Anonymous 11:05 here you missed a point as this article is about future long-haul routes and potentials for them.

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    18. The numner of long haul passengers in Zagreb is growing rapidly - Americans, Canadians, Australians, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Thais, Middle Easterners...etc. Not just tourists, but business people as well. Zagreb is the capital, the economic, cultural and financial center of Croatia. These passengers definitely need direct routes. The diaspora needs them too. The potential is there...no doubt about it. A mere couple of years ago, ZAG barely had 4-5 months out of a year with over 200,000 pax. This year (only 2 years later) it will likely have 5 months with over 300,000 pax. It has literally doubled the pax growth rate within a single year. Those are the facts. That's not to say that we still don't have a lot of work to do in accommodating large numbers of short and mid range travelers...from Scandinavia and the UK in particular, but from other, new, non-traditional markets as well.

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    19. Can we expect next route to be WestJet 767 Toronto-Zagreb?

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    20. No I think ANA, Korean Air, JAL and Singapore Airlines are more likely, probably around 2020.

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  15. Good luck, I hope we get a surprise of two in the next few weeks :)

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  16. With more and more European airlines starting to fly from other countries nonstop to the US thanks to the open skies agreement, you never know who could be a potential operator of Croatia-US flights. Hell, even Aer Lingus last week announced it would start mainland Europe - US flights.

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  17. I think Japan, South Korea, China and the US are perspective long haul markets for Croatia. Happy the government is taking some action.

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  18. And the obsession with long haul flights in Ex-Yu continues :D

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    1. But, Croatia has 15 million tourists, more than other Ex-Yu countries. Croatia has all those tourists from the US, China, Korea... It's a fact, not an obsession, dude.

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    2. Yeah, Croatia accounts for almost half of all air traffic in ex-Yu. Silly us "obsessing" over long hauls, right?
      At least Croatia has the actual need for those flights, unlike some whose only motivation is political.

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    3. Yes, I heard all those 5.5 million are politically motivated passengers that are flying only because of subsidies.

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    4. Michael, when exactly did I say Belgrade actually needed transatlantic flights? I made fun of the entire EX-YU for being so obsessed with those flights, not just Croatia.

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    5. Michael, give us an example why was there an actual need for Air Canada Rouge flight to Zagreb. Do you have any numbers like LF and passenger O&D numbers to show that Air Transat twice per week route was not enough and there was an actual need for additional 4 flight per week with Air Canada Rouge? Let's stick to facts and numbers.

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  19. Croatia Will surpass 18 million tourists this year, and over 20 million tourists are expected next year for 2018.

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    1. What counts as a tourists? Does that include Gastarbeiters with German citizenship coming back to visit family in Croatia? Are transit passengers travelling through Croatia on autobahn and going to other destination also counted? Are cruise ship passengers visiting Dubrovnik for one day shore excursion also counted as visitors? What prozent of tourists staying at least overnight come by airplane, and what by auto/bus?

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    2. @AnonymousOctober 9, 2017 at 10:31 AM

      I's say 17.5 million expected this year, we don't have final figures for first 9 months, but numbers are good, 12-15% yoy growth in arrivals and stays. Number of cruise ships declined by 5-6%, but that is ok, it is expected to happen as all traditional Cruise line destinations in Med have seen similar drop. However, number of stays is impressive, we could hit 105 million nights in 2017. Revenue of €11.5 billion is very likely, or increase by 10% in tourism revenue on the last year.

      Next year, 20 million visitors are very much a possibility.

      @AnonymousOctober 9, 2017 at 3:21 PM

      No gastrabayter isn't considered a visitor or a tourist, although they do spend a lot more than tourist.

      Cruiseline shore visitors are considered tourist and are counted as such, however they contribute with 0 overnight stays, so they're least desired form of visitors in financial terms. Croatia gets around 700k million such visitors, in 2016, however in total number they're not included,

      In 2016 Croatia was visited by 15.6 million tourist who spent 92.5 million nights, however adding cruise line visitors, total number rose to 16.3 million.
      https://www.croatiaweek.com/record-2016-16-3-million-visitors-to-croatia/

      However, nautical/cruise-line visitors are not put in final figures as we can't measure their expenditure.

      So this year, 17.5 million visitors and add 700k to that number for total of 18.2 million.

      The same visitors would normally visit Dubrovnik, Split and even Zadar, so counting them as multiple visitors give you wrong impression too, so this is another reason why they're never counted.

      Way Croatia gets is numbers, on border entry which is all digitized and hotels, apartments, camps all need to update ministry of tourisam on a daily basis

      There are many business that don't report "friends" and "relatives" as visitors, so true number is much greater in stays and visitor numbers. as much as 20% greater than actual numbers.

      Also season now lasts from May 1st to October 31st on the coast and in Zagreb from Jan 1st to December 31st

      17.5 million visitors expected this year, 100-105 million stays, revenue of €10.7-11.5 billion expected.

      Zagreb - 1.35 million visitors, 2.4 million nights Zagreb currently has 50 hotels and 45 hostels on offer in total just over 3.5 million nights on offer.

      City will need to build new hotels and hostels fast !!! It won't be able to cope with numbers otherwise come 2020, when 2 million visitors are expected and 3.7 million nights.

      As destinations go, Zagreb is growing at 11-15% yoy rate.

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  20. Ima li zivota
    poslje Tita,
    Narod se pita

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  21. 2018 will be an amazing year for Croatian airports.

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    1. +1
      over 10 million pax

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    2. @AnonymousOctober 9, 2017 at 10:59 AM

      over 11 million pax


      Zagreb - 3.5 million
      Split - 3.2 million
      Dubrovnik - 2.75 million
      Pula - 750k
      Zadar 700k
      Rijeka - 200k
      Osijek - 50k
      Brac - 30k

      total: ~11.2 million

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  22. The ad is correct, ZAG is definitely on the rise. Really hoping for a nice surprise like the Air Canada news.

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  23. Let them first get flights to some nearby countries and then we can talk about long-haul

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    1. And to which countries exactly Zagreb does not have flights to? Bulgaria, Albania and Ukraine. Woow, so important for Zagreb tourism and economy.

      You do know that Zagreb has British, KLM, Brussels, Iberia, ČSA, Air France... So unlike other exYu airports.

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    2. Jeste, ima Zagreb sve te avio-kompanije, a tek ove godine prebacuje 3 miliona putnika. Povežite se prvo bar direktno sa Rimom i Atinom, pa onda da pričamo dalje.

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    3. ajde ajde, možda vas netko uzme u koncesiju pa ti bude nešto i od Beograda, ali možda ;)

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    4. There are airports in Ex-Yu which are not only concentrated to Europe, but to the world.

      The biggest one in ex-Yu has the direct connections to LHR, AMS, BRU, BCN, PRG, CDG but also to JFK, PEK, TUN, AUH, BEY...So unlike other ex-Yu airports

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    5. Pa Beograd, kao glavni grad države mnogo siromašnije od Hrvatske i bez turizma-već ove godine ima 5,3 miliona putnika i direktne celogodišnje letove do Njujorka i Pekinga. Tako da je na Zagrebu još dug put da dostigne i ovakav Beograd, koji će idućih godina tek da raste kako se ekonomsko stanje bude popravljalo. S druge strane, trebalo je da vi već desetak godina imate letove do svih delova sveta i da odavno prestignete Beograd, jer uslove za to imate, a i milione turista. A pošto to niste uspeli-znači da vam je vodjstvo veoma nesposobno i da verovatno štite Luftikine interese i nemačke aerodrome. Zato i imate iz svakog vašeg grada najviše letova za Frankfurt i Minhen, da ti turisti pune njihove aerodrome i avione, a vaša Croatia airlines, umesto da vlada Balkanom-skuplja mrvice.

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    6. How about you worry about your only international airport worth a mention in Serbia and let us worry about Zagreb, Split, Dubrovnik, Pula and Zadar?
      Zagreb has only begun real growth, and the JFK, as well as China and other long hauls are only a matter of time.

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    7. Pa i Madjarska i Češka imaju po jedan relevantan medjunarodni aerodrom-pa u čemu je problem? To su, kao i Srbija kontinentalne i zemlje sa kompaktnom teritorijom, za razliku od Hrvatske sa tolikom obalom i takvim oblikom. To ne može nikako da se poredi, i opet kažem možeta samo da krivite vaše nesposobno vodjstvo, koje uprkos svim vašim potencijalima nije napravilo mnogo toga dobrog u avio-saobraćaju.

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    8. Which airport in Croatia expect ZAG is worth a mention and it is not on the coast? Uporedjujes babe i zabe.

      The other international airport "which is not worth a mention" had in July 2017 the growth of 374,1 %, the biggest in Europe.

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    9. Nije poanta što srbija i te zemlje imaju jedan aerodrom. Nego ako imaš dva aerodroma sa 5 milijuna putnika, ili imaš 9 međunarodnih aerodorma sa 9 milijuna putnika, valjda je jasno da najveći od tih 9 ne može imati isto kao i najveći od 2. Pri čemu ovaj drugi još do prije godinu dana nije imao putnika uopće što je omogućavalo Beogradu da se razvije kao jedini aerodrom. Zagreb to nije imao kao privilegiju.

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    10. I koliko Budimpešta i Prag imaju putnika u usporedbi sa Beogradom?
      A kao drugo može i te kako da se usporedi, zato jer ne možeš očekivati od Zagreba da raste 25% godišnje, kad imaš Split i Dubrovnik. I ne znam o kojem vodstvu pričaš...ZAG vode Francuzi. I ide im čisto ok.

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    11. @Nebojsa Popovic Lako je imati rast od 300% kada počinješ od nule.

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    12. @Michael
      Koji je hrvatski aerodrom krenuo od nule i ostvario 374% povecanja kad je to tako lako?
      OSI? BWK? LSZ?

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    13. Budimpešta i Prag su glavni gradovi mnogo jačih država od Srbije u svakom smislu, a oba su takodje i turističke vele sile, nekadašnje prestonice moćnog carstva. Dok je Beograd do pre 200 godina bio pogranična tvrdjava na periferiji Turskog carstva, ta dva grada su uveliko cvetala, a i za razliku od Beograda-nisu u 20. veku više puta temeljno rušeni. Tako da se kao što vidiš ne mogu nikako porediti i samo ti pokazujem koliko ti je argument o jedinom pravom aerodromu u državi besmislen. Da Hrvatska nema takav oblik-ne bi ni imala toliko aerodroma. A kada pričam o vodjstvu-naravno da ne mislim na Francuze koji vam vode aerodrom od skoro. Mislim na vaše nesposobne političare, koji su vas tako temeljno opljačkali i upropastili, kao što nije nijedan stranac koji vam je kroz istoriju vladao. Ali dobro-podrška Nemačke pri vašem otcepljenju nije bila besplatna-tako da će još dugo Luftika i njeni interesi da caruju u Hrvatskoj, kao što i vaši političari ne brinu o razvoju Hrvatske, nego te iste Nemačke. Naravno-svaka sličnost sa Srbijom i našim vodjama je slučajna..

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    14. I see that many disregard INI when talking about Serbia so I am generally curious what is the acceptable threshold for an airport to be considered as relevant? ;)

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    15. Maybe when Nis Airport is as significant as Brac or Mali Losinj. Until then Serbia only has one airport.

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    16. Nis has more traffic than Mali Losinj and Brac combined.

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  24. Good news from Croatia and Zagreb. A mix of scheduled and charter flights would be excellent for ZAG. Glad to see there is someone in the government who is paying attention to aviation.

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  25. Alltough seasonal long haul flights is great ita just isnt the same as year round, what should we call it? A seasonal transfer hub? And some flights you cant even buy tickets to, its just for tour operators

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    1. And of course diaspora, business and politicians will not use route that is 7 months per year here.

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  26. Flights from US and South Korea to ZAG would make most sense.

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  27. Zanima me zasto voljeni Etihad nije dao zamjenu za 332 koji je na pregledu vec dva tjedna?
    Umjesto da se sekirate radi radi svoje kompanije vi se sekirate radi Emiratesa...

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    1. A ko se to sekira?

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    2. Taj pregled je planiran još pre pet meseci, a letovi za ove dve nedelje nisu ni bili ubačeni u rezervacioni sistem. A pošto nije špic sezone, izračunali su da im je jeftinije da nema letova ove dve nedelje, nego da uzimaju Etihadov avion..a vi bolje gledajte svoju kompaniju i aerodrome, tolike turiste imate, a tek vam ove godine došao Emirates, pa ste potrčali brže bolje da lečite frustracije nad raspalom Srbijom i da maštate da ste hub Balkana sa jedva 3 miliona putnika. Pa ni normalan aerodrom niste imali do pre 6 meseci, a ni sada vam ne radi tokom noći-o čemu vi pričate..

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    3. Pogledaj vaše komentare pod svakim clankom o Zagrebu. Netko tu lijeci frustracije, ali sigurno nismo mi. Vec mjesecima cvilite o tome kako je mali Zagreb dobio Emirates, a "ogromni" Beograd jadan nije, haha!
      Sa 5 milijuna putnika i to na jedinom aerodromu u zemlji se postavljate kao da imate 20 milijuna putnika. A ne možete ni duplo od Zagreba ostvariti.
      A Zagreb raste brže uostalom, pa si napravi graf ako ti pomaže.

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    4. A ko ovde "cvili" o Emiratima. Neko je spomenuo da ce biti 4 leta nedeljno tokom februara na temi o letovima za Zagreb i to je sada neki izraz mrznje i ne sme da se spomene jer neko to shvata kao uvredu. Svasta.

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    5. Onda se obrati tome tko ti je rekao da je to izraz mržnje. Ja govorim o mjesecima vaših jaukanja oko Emiratesa i priželjkibanju neuspjeha. Jad. Bijeda. Ljubomora. Frustracija. To je ukratko vaš opis.

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    6. A ko ovde jauce o Emiratima? Koji su to "vasi"? Kako je to neko isfrustiran ako napise da ce u februaru biti cetiri nedeljna leta za Zagreb iz Dubaija na temu o letovima za Zagreb a onda mu se pripise da je "hater" i da su to "vasi" sto jaucu. Svasta.

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    7. "A Zagreb raste brže uostalom, pa si napravi graf ako ti pomaže"

      ZAG 2002: 1,203,436
      ZAG 2016: 2,766,087

      Povecan broj putnika 2002-2016: 1,562,651

      BEG 2002: 1,621,798
      BEG 2016: 4,924,992

      Povecan broj putnika 2002-2016: 3,303,194

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    8. Ovdje se pišu svakojake gluposti od strane anonimaca. Prvo se pisalo da će Emirates do jeseni krenut letjeti do Beograda. I vidi čuda, ništa. Onda da će zagrebačka linija postat od iduće godine sezonska sa tek 4 tjedna leta ljeti. I opet ništa. Sad se razvija teorija da će flydubai zamjeniti Emirates.

      Što vas toliko muči taj Emirates? Iskretno trebalo bi vas više mučiti što Air Canada i Air Transat imaju 6 letova za Toronto, što za Zagreb leti Korean, te što Zagreb ljeti ima 14 tjednih letova long-haula (2 dnevno). Duplo više od Beograda.

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    9. Kojih 14 tjednih letova long-haula?

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    10. Opisao sam gore tko su ti vaši. Oni koji se pod svakim postom o Zagrebu javljaju da napišu nešto negativno, predvide propast Emiratesa u Zagrebu i usporede ga sa centrom svijeta - Beogradom - gdje je "naravno" Emirates trebao otići . A ne znam uopće o kakvih 4 leta govoriš, jer ne čitam sve komentare. Ne znam samo kako sami sebi niste dosadni više.
      Kada je tema Beograd, nitko se ne javlja sa takvim primitivnim komentarima.

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    11. Predlozio bih ti onda ubudce da citas komentare na koje si se javio da odgovaras i da vidis sta je ko napisao pre nego sto kolektivno optuzujes "vase" i "nase" kao da si iz proslog veka, pa ce ti biti jasnije. Ja primera radi nisam ni jednu losu rec napisao o Zagrebu ili Hrvatskoj u raspravi sa tobom, a ti vredjas samo tako u svakom komentaru. Do sada smo sahranili i Er Srbiju, letove za Njujork, partnerstvo sa Etihadom i 'nepostojece' letove za Peking tako da me postedi tog moralisanja i izigravanja dobrice. Mozda si propustio te komentare kao i danas sto nisi citao.

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    12. Свако ко често путује зна да је много битиније имати флексибилност него капацитет. Београд тренутно има више недељних летова не само ка DXB-у већ и ка самим Емиратима.
      Овде су људи изражавали своју сумњу у исплативост ЕК летова ка Загребу. Сама чињеница да су летови смањени ове зиме са планираних 7 на 5 указује на то да се није радило о љубомори већ о реално сагледаној ситуацији.

      Тачно је, неки овде узастопно пореде Београд са Загребом. Сматрам да је то сулудо јер су то два у потпуности различита аеродрома. Један јури 3 милиона путника а други 6.

      Београд органски расте посебно сада када се и сама Ер Србија стабилизовала. Како се економска ситуација у држави побољшава тако ће се и број путника повећавати. Не заборавимо да већ дуже време авио-компаније додају све више летова ка Београду и то многе током зиме када је тренд да се супротно поступа.

      Ове зиме имаћемо доста јачу сезону имајући у виду да ће следеће авио-компаније имати знатно већу понуду: easyJet, Transavia, Qatar, Lufhansa, Hainan, Atlasjet, flydubai.

      Да сам Загрепчанин баш би ме било брига да ли имам директну везу са Сеулом или Шангајем. За већину Хрвата јефтина веза са Немачком је много битнија. Логичније би било да се управа аеродрома сконцентрише на увећање нискобуџетне понуде место што фантазира са којекавим интерконтиненталним саобраћајем.

      Лако је Београду да ради на успостављању летова ка Кини, САД... када је европска понуда сасвим солидна.

      На крају крајева, како Београд може бити љубоморан на некога ко нема директну везу са Римом, Миланом или Прагом током целе године.

      Велики поздрав.

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    13. Toliko ste bili frustrirani poslednje 3 godine zbog razvoja Er Srbije, pa leta za Njujork-da do dana današnjeg to niste preboleli. Stalno ste pisali kako propada, kako se Etihad povlači itd. Pa vam je Emirates došao kao kec na deset da počnete o tome da drobite kao o letu za Mars. Brojite nedeljne letove širokotrupaca i to nabijate na nos Beogradu-pa odavno je trebalo da imate letove do celog sveta sa tolikim turistima, šta se više poredite sa Beogradom i siromašnom Srbijom.

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    14. bome se ne uspoređujemo sigurno sa lošijima, pa tako znači nikako ni sa Srbijom. Vi ovdje stalno pljujete i unosite negativu, a za to stvarno nema potrebe. Relax, gledajte svoja posla, ako vas članak smeta nemojte ga komentirati, bolje nego unositi nemir. Ja npr ne bih komentirao članak o koncesiji koji je danas objavljen jer me srbija i beograd uopće ne zanimaju i to je to. svatko gleda svoja posla

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    15. ovo kao da sam uzeo da čitam forum navijača. ne znam samo kako tako brzo pređete na tu nacionalnu patkometriju

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    16. Boga ti, masa ekipe ovdje misli da je '91. Dečki, hajde se lijepo dogovorite i nađite negdje na nekoj pumpi i fino nalemajte. U principu se ne razlikujete od navijačke stoke pa se tako i ponašajte. Riješite te debilane među sobom na način na koji biste najviše i voljeli a normalne ljude koji žive u sadašnjosti ostavite ovdje na miru :)

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    17. Kako se ne uporedjujete sa Srbijom-pa ovaj gore piše kako imate 14 tjednih letova širokotrupcima-duplo više od Beograda. Jedva ste čekali da se otkačite Beograda, tako da se sada "usporedjujte sa Europom".

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  28. here's some feedback from carriers regarding the new terminal in ZAG- this is today's news:

    http://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/zrakoplovne-kompanije-optuzuju-nema-dovoljno-saltera-ni-wc-a-a-parkinga-za-avione-je-u-staroj-zgradi-bilo-vise/6627810/

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    1. 1. Koliko ja znam broj otvorenih check-in šaltera ovisi o kompaniji, tj. koliko ih je ona voljna platiti.

      2. Nije istina da su self check-in izvan zone čekiranja. To je laž.

      3. Istina je da novi terminal ima manje parkirnih pozicija, ali se koriste i parkirne pozicije uz stari terminal. Tako da je ukupan broj parkirnih pozicija bitno povečan.

      4. MIG-ovi toliko malo lete i govoto nikad u vršnom opterećenju, tako da je glupost reći da oni štete prometu zračne luke. Konačno, u rulanju MIG je samo jedan avion i niša više.

      5. ZLZ ima jedan gate namjenjen širokotrupcima, ali ako više širkotrupaca istovrmeeno bude na aerodromu isti se mogu spajati na međugateove, pa tako tri širokotrupaca mogu koristiti gateove 2/3, 5/6 i 8, dok u isto vrijeme tri uskotrupca budu na gateovima 1, 4 i 7). To je uobičajna praksa na svim aerodromima.

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    2. Yes, airlines are wrong, there is nothing wrong with MZLZ

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    3. Ne optuzuju mzlz kompanije nego jutarnji list koji je u rangu informera ili kurira ali nazalost neki ovde koriste svaki trac i svaku indiciju kako bi unizili zagreb i uzvisili beograd

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    4. Значи то што хрватске новине блате загребачки аеродром значи да је то како би се (ин)директно узвисио Београд?

      Занимљив поглед на ситуацију.

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    5. CRJ i aviomost...nejte me nasmijavat

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    6. You obviously never went to the US.

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  29. Maybe for Baku (GYD), it is a pretty important haul for middle east.

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