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| Air Serbia undergoing FAA certification prior to permit approval |
The United States Department of Transportation (DoT) has granted Air Serbia rights to operate flights to the United States with its own aircraft and crew yesterday evening but will decide on the airline's permit request after it completes the FAA 129 certification process it is currently undertaking. Furthermore, the DoT has granted the Serbian carrier rights to codeshare on Air Berlin flights from Germany to the United States. Speaking to EX-YU Aviation News, Caitlin Harvey, from the Department, explains, "Today we granted Air Serbia’s amended exemption request to conduct own-metal US services. We concurrently granted Air Berlin’s request for codeshare authority to display Air Serbia’s code on certain Air Berlin Germany - US services. So, Air Serbia now has economic authority to operate both via its own metal and via codeshare. Before beginning any own metal services, it must complete the FAA 129 certification process".
On November 17, the DoT limited Air Serbia's operations to the United States exclusively to codeshare and wet-lease flights, preventing it from operating services with its own aircraft. However, this obstacle has now been overcome. "On November 17, we granted Air Serbia’s exemption request to serve the United States, but limited the authority to its codeshare arrangement with Air Berlin. These operations involved the display of the Air Serbia code on Air Berlin metal", Ms Harvey says. "Soon after we took the above action, Air Serbia began its FAA 129 certification process and requested the amendment of its exemption to remove the codeshare/wet-lease restriction so that it may serve the United States with its own metal. In addition, it requested that we take action on its pending permit request". The Serbian carrier intends to launch five weekly flights from Belgrade to New York's JFK Airport from June next year with an Airbus A330-200 aircraft.
Air Serbia has stated that it initially intends to maintain services to the United States by placing its “JU” designator code on flights operated by Air Berlin from Dusseldorf to New York and from Berlin to New York, Chicago and Miami, which it has been cleared to do. Furthermore, the carrier has said that, once it launches its own five weekly services, passengers will be able to use these codeshare flights the other two days of the week. Air Serbia's CEO, Dane Kondić, said, “The launch of the Belgrade - New York non-stop service is a fantastic example of the positive impact of the Air Serbia strategic plan, which is progressing well and continues to be on-track to meet and surpass its targets".
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How long does this 129 certification process take? When JU will be allowed to sell tickets?
Is it going to get the permission this year or in 2016?
Anon 9:21 AM, what you up to!?.
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Antidepressants will be needed next year when the subventions are extended and when more of our money is wasted on this vanity project.
Lol you're so pathetic.
INN-NS
I wonder what will you do if subventions end next year. Would you do a favour to your country then and shut the fuck up?
NYC flights are not going to be profitable anyway and everyone knows that, but the problem with you haters is that you would actually like them not to be profitable and the only thing you live for is to see how they are not saying you were right. Just look at your comment and how pathetic you are.
I am going to be pathetic as long as my tax money are being spent on this vanity project called Air Serbia. I would be more than happy if the subventions end or if Etihad assumes responsibility for their investment and actually gives some money.
In the end the whole JU-EY deal was such a rip off and frankly the whole point of this was to move away from the financial black hole called Jat which we did not. Even today politicians have too much say in the way the airline is run, New York flights being the best example.
If Dane and Vucic want to brag how ASL is a regional leader and how it's the best thing to have happened to Serbia then at least get your finances in order before bragging.
http://www.alitaliamaintenancesystems.it/en/capabilities
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New York is the largest single United States market from/to Serbia with approximately 26,000 annual passengers, just ahead of Chicago with 25,000 passengers and followed by Los Angeles with 11,000 and Newark and Washington with over 9,000 passengers.
Congratulations to everyone!
The New Wings of Europe are here to stay and fly high!
ASL will face problems if it is not owned by the government and has to be profitable or close.
As long as the government is there to cover the losses and make Tesla offer them big discounts ASL will be fine.
Sto ste ih ponovo rasturili sad ste ih rastuzili kao sto ste i Purgera pa ce ostati bez reci kao i on.
INN-MS
True but the issue with New York is that competition is fierce there and you can already fly on Lufthansa there for 415 Euros! I mean, JU failed in BUD and LCA, what makes them think they can beat OS, LH, LO, SU, TK, AZ, LX, AF, KL... who all carry passengers from BEG to North America.
The pathetic thing about you is that you act like you would actually like Air Serbia to go bankrupt and do anything that will enable you to say "hey look at me I am so smart they failed I was right".
New York flights are not going to be profitable at the begging and every fucking idiot on this planet knows that, you didn't discover something new, many airlines which today have a large market between their hubs and the US were not getting money from these flights at the begging. But people like you would rether just write nonsense on the internet and say how everything is just going to fucking die and collapse.
Etihad is not going to give much money to ASL as long as Serbian Government ownes 51% of the airline itself. And they were giving pretty much a big amount of money to Air Serbia, go inform yourself or at least think a little bit with your brain before saying such bullshit.
Yet people like you say how Air Serbia cutting frequencies this winter is horrible, but even if it didn't cut them you would already find a way to say how everything about them is terrifying without even giving a suggestion to make something better.
And when I say hater, I'm not talking about people who are just being objective and giving their suggestions without so much hatred towards the thing they are criticizing. When I say hater I'm talking about pathetic people like you who hate every single move some airline ( Air Serbia in this case) does.
If it hurts you giving a couple of euros per month to Air Serbia (just like paying taxes and every other way of giving money to the country you live in), you can move out to Africa or something like that, believe me nobody will cry.
Zbog povezivanja JFK i BEG mislim da bi bila odlicna ideja ako dodje 2 A332 da on nosi specialni livery Nikola Tesla .
I naravno je za ocekivati da ce sledeca godina biti fantasticna.
INN-NS
LOL!
You are funnier than INN-NS!
"Air Serbia has what it takes to become something similar to Singapore Airlines for Eastern and Southern Europe in a smaller scale of course.
Congratulations to everyone!"
Where did he say that?
Please go learn some proper English, the only funny thing here is you. :)
That is bad news for LH group!
I fully agree and my question was not that much about costs. Just wondering if there is enough time in a week to fit in 5 rotations to JFK, line maintenance in BEG and regular maintenance in FCO. If there is enough time for all these activities then there will be no problems :)
What went wrong?
It is only November. LF could have been significantly higher in some other months and YoY it will certainly be better compared to the last year.
Similar applies on passenger numbers. YoY Air Serbia increased the number of pax double-digit, one month or two months will not annul that.
Not to mention that we have no source for these numbers.
EY i LX su potpisali ugovor da EY kupuje MRO Software AMOS od LX za sebe i Partnere za laksu saradnju u MRO poslu.
INN-NS
I am well informed which is why I am writing this. And your comparison of JU and other carriers that operate into the US is pathetic. No other airline started these flights with a fleet composed of less than 20 aircraft. Many bigger and better airlines have failed to makes these flights work and so will JU. They are having a hard time making some of their European flights work even less these ones. I mean, they got butchered by LO to WAW. Shall I remind you that LF to WAW was around 40% last year? These bad results were achieved despite the airline having a much larger network than it has now. Compare OS' and LO's connectivity for their JFK flights and then do the same with JU.
And who said that I am only angry that my money goes to JU? I am angry that my taxes are used to keep alive all these failed state companies. If JU doesn't become self-sufficient by the end of 2016 then they are no better than Zelezara or even Jat. Sure, the service is better than Jat's and all that but I would rather have a profitable airline with a minimal service than a pompous one that is alive thanks to my cash.
Also, your reference to Africa is insulting and it only goes to show how primitive you are... especially since you are using such vocabulary.
ASL with one leased plane and without having permission yet to fly 5 times a week to JFK will harm LH, OS, LX from its very successful BEG hub and become the SQ of Europe!!!
Yes LH group is panicking right now!
Lol, you guys need to find a girlfriend.
And you people say that this is somehow good?
Are you serious?
9W wouldn't need to have rights to operate BEG-JFK and it would be a JU flight flown with a 9W ac.
The US did not allowed yet Air Serbia to fly to the US.
It says it needs to get FAA 129 certification process first.
And that means that probably it wont get it this year since that certification entails lengthy, multi-stage reviews beginning with the United States Department of Transportation (DOT), followed by the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and lastly the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).
That means that ASL will have to wait even longer to start selling tickets for US and because of that its flights for 2016 will be even more loss making than they would be.
This crazy need to find any slightest minus in ASL numbers and then present it as some ultimate indicator of its entire business is really beyond me. Too crazy even for haters' standards on this blog.
Here we go again.
JU is subsidized by Serbia, but how much indirectly does JU return to Serbia?
Remember it is Jelen beer served on board (Serbian company), it is Serbian wines served on board (Serbia again), rakija in business class is from Rakija bar (again, a Serbian business), Air Serbia Catering uses Serbian produce for the meals they prepare. Serbian companies provide water, juices, napkins, in-flight magazines, amenities for toilets etc. Then the ground staff hired, cabin crew, cleaners, baggage handlers, shops run in BEG, taxi's, GSP, hotels, food stall, shops...all services used by pax from JU going into the Serbian budget. All staff are registered, receive benefits, pay taxes and spend their money in Serbia. And the list goes on.
Having said that, Serbian Foreign Ministry works on improving relations with other countries to facilitate new air agreements, possible even visa waivers (possibly soon Thailand and UAE), which in turn is a plus for the Serbian traveler.
Lets not mention the massive increases in cargo in BEG the past couple of years, and cargo tends to bring more money. The B747F is a frequent visitor in BEG taking Serbian exports to the world. This is good for our economy, our jobs, our industry. Serbia has a lot to gain in investing into it Aviation sector, however the investments at the same time are not equal on all ends. JU shows encouraging figures however BEG doesn't, no proper plan for the future, whilst ZAG, DBV and SPU are building new terminals, IST a whole new massive airport, need I say more?
OK, so you gave us yet another fine and long political speech. Well done. I am sure you will make it into parliament very soon. Now, since this happens to be an aviation blog, do you by any miracle have anything to say about AVIATION or - god forbid - something that is actually related to today's news update?
Jesus banging Christ, political activists...
But JU was down 7%, that means that foreign airlines gained market share in BEG and JU lost.
Do you have any info on which airlines gained share?
Thank you.
Climbing out of ZAG is EK SkyCargo B777F (A6-EFO) as EK9355.
Ne zanosim se činjenicom da sam u uvijek u pravu, jer naravno da nisam, niti da sve znam, jer naravno da jako malo znam. Ali sam uvjeren i da Aerologic, Nemjee, JATBEGMEL, Aleksandar Stojanovic, Q400 i ostali respektabilni članovi ovog foruma misle tako. I vrlo sam sretan što od takvih osoba mogu nešto naučiti ili promijeniti svoje stavove.
Koncept koji ti zbog svoje mladosti i karaktera ne možeš razumijeti. I zato ne kuri vatru, Sine, ja sa Aerologicom ili ostalima sigurno neću biti nikada u ratu, pa čak i kada se potpuno razilazimo u mišljenjima. To se zove civilizirano i kulturno debatiranje. To se zove forum.
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Forum se još za vrijeme antičkog Rima definirao kao mjesto iznošenja političkih, poslovnih, kulturni i inih stavova, razmjene mišljenja, mjesto razmjene, poslovanja ili javnog života nekog grada ili zajednice. Razmisli o tome, Sinko...
Source: Business Airport International Oct 2012
Does that mean that JU's apprοval will take longer than initially expected?
Cοuld be that it gets this approval next year instead of this year?
Jesus on a bicycle, these people...
Kako prenose neke novine izjave Premijera da je nocas stigla potvrda iz IAD i da ce se leteti svojim Avionom i svojom posadom.
INN-NS
Nije vas rastuzio nego vas je rasturio pa niste smeli da mu odgovorite.
Ja nista ne znam niti sam kakav steucnjak niti to mogu biti sa 18 Godina .
INN-NS
Here are the facts.
1. It is very good for Serbia to have this licence with or without future flights (and I did not have doubt that JFK flights will be materialised, not even 2 years ago).
2. It is questionable how those flights to JFK will be financed as there is no chance they will be profitable in near future (and trust me those 2 years planed unprofitability is more than unreal optimistic). Much bigger companies get bankrupt on long-haul flights, and Air Serbia is much too small company with modest connection possibility to perform those flights. November results shows that new strategy of cutting routes and frequencies did not bring enough positive results. And in same time was having bad influence to potential customers and connectivity in BEG. All of those are not good for opening JFK flights. But let's hope that was just permanent measurement for Winter 2015/16 and that in April, enough in advance of opening JFK, that connectivity will come to last year level and it should be even better for support feeding JFK flights. If not I don't see good future for JFK LF and financial performance. And JFK is not BUD or some other EU flights where you lose just few hundred thousand EUR. That can cost lot of millions per year just on those 5 flights per day.
3. I do agree with JATMELBEG that there are lot of benefits in those flights from BEG, and especially JFK is a huge benefit for Serbia. But let me point one more time, it is all about mathematics, it is all about if those subventions and investments in JU makes more benefits to Serbia than that money for investment is. My personal opinion is that countries should finance air traffic as it is today strategic economical field, like railways was 150 years ago, and that all those EU ban for subvention in air traffic is nothing but neo-colonialism for benefit of EUB3 (LH, BA and AF). But in same time those flights should not be political motivated and should make benefits to Serbia bigger than investment. Just to make example. Podgorica - JFK would make huge benefits for Montenegro, but is there any financial logic to open that route. I thing that BEG-JFK is not logical and will make questionable all Air Serbia project. And there was no reason to make this huge risk in this moment. Of course one have to ask himself if it would be even more risk to wait for TAROM and Aegean to open JFK flights what will happen in near future. That is why someone is CEO of JU and ministers in GoS and have to make that decision and to be responsible for that decision.
But, in same time huge congratulation to Serbia for this brave move, hope they will finance JFK flights next few years because if they stop now or in few years it will be catastrophic for company. And special congratulations to get licence because we all know what huge job that is and especially in light of MEB3 problems with USA and side problems JU and Serbia had because of that.
Eto, ako si shvatio da sa 18 godina ne možeš biti stručnjak, onda bi bilo lijepo da se tako i ponašaš. Drago mi je što odrastaš i krečeš raumijevati neke stvari.
Ceka se znaci sve od Ljubljane, zagreba, bukuresta, atine, podgorice, budimpeste Skoplje pa do Rima. Vratice BUD. Tek tada ima smisla. Tirana i PRN nece ici u pocetku. Iz NYC ide vecernji let oko 20.
I really dont think this will be an issue for most people. I have traveled with 9W this year and the overall impression is great since they have relatively new and clean planes. Decent IFE and really nothing "Indian" about them except that there is tons of Bollywood movies and livery. ASL would most likely use its own staff on these flights as well in this scenario.
But I do get what you are saying, even if everything is great there will always be a few people complaining.
Jedino tržište koje ims logike za konektiranje je Balkan i Libija. Uzgled, prema dužini trajanja leta JFK nikako ne može otići i vratiti se za konektiranje na isti val (talas), što znači da će ili ići nakon EU vala, a pratiti se prije Balkanskog ili obratno. A to znači da će bar u jednu stranu biti čekanje od nekoliko sati. Čučanje u JFK i pokrivanje vala na taj način nikako nije moguće sa jednom mašinom i pet tjednih frekvencija. Ova rotacija je oko 22 sata. Znači problem je slijedeći:
BEG 17:15 - 21:30 JFK 23:15 - 14:30 BEG - prekasno za konekcije u dolasku,
a ako krenu ranije onda su problem konekcije u odlasku
BEG 14:15 - 19:30 JFK 21:15 - 12:30 BEG
Ako se sve pomakne ranije da se stavi na neki međuval, onda bi konektiranje u obije strane bilo nekih 4 sata, što je jako demotivirajuće npr.
BEG 11:15 - 16:30 JFK 18:15 - 9:30 BEG
Firstly, great comment above and thanks for the kind words. As you said, its agree to disagree, but in the end its a forum, that is to discuss ideas and different views and perspectives, which is difficult to do here.
Mathematically, I think JU has increased its share it contributes to Serbia, regardless of the fact that subsidies have increased. The fact it has increased is a positive sign, which I might add is not common in Serbia lately to see.
Talking on numbers, JU at the moment influences on 8.700 jobs directly, whilst indirectly on another 24.000. In 2014 Air Serbia catering prepared over 2 million pax meals, using 42 tonnes of cheese, 51 tonnes of meat and fish, served more than 2 million bottles of water and 53.000 bottles of wine, all coming from Serbia. Rakija served is from Rakija bar, water is Aqua Viva, Knjaz Milos was used until recently, again all suppliers Serbian. Podrum Radovanovic is one of the suppliers of wines for JU, again from Serbia. JU contributes quite a significant amount to the Serbian economy.
Again on numbers, JU has over 40.000 people enlisted in its frequent flyer program, with 400 new members each week joining the program at BEG, as well as a further 200 onboard. The new business class lounge facility in BEG is great. Wifi and AeroMobile onboard is again an added extra. So loyalty to the JU brand has increased and still is increasing.
I worry that BEG will hamper JU in expanding with its incompetent management who has done little since the rise of ASL. A lot is lacking in BEG to make it more comfortable for its users. Is it time for JFK, no, for the simple reason being that more can be done in improving what they currently have and don't have in the region. However, I do see A3, AB, AZ and EY code sharing on the flights, possibly RO and maybe JP. RO have issues in consolidating their fleet (small mix of A318 and B737 is not efficient), I wonder how their ATR42's work for them, whilst CLF is poor (66% for 2014). I don't see them expanding out long haul any time soon. As for A3, they seem focused more on what JU should be doing, that is creating a decent hub in ATH before venturing out. However, they also have more long haul competition at ATH compared to JU at BEG. All in all, I think there is room for more players in the Balkans as a whole and JU will be filling in a gap.
VIE 10:45 – 14:45 JFK 18:00 – 08:25 VIE, so it is 20:25 hours for rotation with 2 hours turnaround, so 22 hours for BEG is real. 1:30 turnaround for long-haul is not real. 1:45-2:00 is minimum.
Aviation is a big business with a serious impact on any given economy, even more so when it is (partly) owned by the state. So, discussing aviation business has to involve politics, lobbying, subsidies, permits, tax issues and more.
If you want to talk technical aspects of aviation, like how aerodynamics work, sure, politics has no place there. But excluding it here would be just too naive.
^^^
BEG for November 2015: 299.100 pax, roughly 5% drop.
Foreign carriers reduced 10% of flights while only 3% pax. JU reduced roughly 7% of flights as well as pax.
God you are talking about politics much more than about aviation.
1) They are not acting as if Air Serbia is some sort of Lufthansa. They are just trying to make the airline profitable. They got 11 new planes in just two years, they opened many new routes and improved passenger numbers by 70%, that's all that Vucic and the others have said, I didn't hear them saying "Hey Air Serbia is the new Lufthansa". And I don't even see what does Vucic and the others have to do with aviation, they are politicians, od course they will be going around and talking bullshit, it's their job, fucking deal with it and grow up already. But of course negative people like you do not seem to understand it.
2) I don't understand this "Hey they failed well we will too let's just not even try to fly to the US and wait until airlines in region like Aegean and TAROM do it and then lose the possibility to enter the US market" logic. If everyone would have that kind of attitude today we wouldn't have companies like Turkish, Qatar Airways and so on. What the fuck? Of course Aegean's network is much bigger than Air Serbia's but that is exactly why they shouldn't wait for them to start flights to the US, considering Greek diaspora, the number of American tourists in Greece,and potential transfer pax Air Serbia would be completely blown away by Aegean.
And everybody knows JFK flights are not going to make money until 2018 (the most optimistic scenario actually), but I really don't see problem with government financing them until they start making money, it's logical and the best solution.
3) Interesting how you said '...the service is better and everything but...' like "yeah they have a much better service than Jat, one of the best in Eastern Europe actually but who gives a fuck, let's come back to the 'this is bad for Air Serbia' and 'they are not profitable' thing, because I surely know how to run an airline and I would turn a company with millions of debts into a profitable one in 2 years like abracadabra!".
Stop acting as if state-financing is something which exists only in Serbia, many countries do this and there is no other way to make an airline like Air Serbia profitable, at least not until it can stand on its own feet. When will it be, 2016 or 2030 I don't know.
And the way you would rather have a small airline with poor service which is profitable than having a big player which was financed by the government until it stood up on its feet is just something I will not even make a comment about, but it gave me physical pain and cancer.
When I see people in Serbia thinking like you, I start thinking Serbs like you don't even deserve everything they have 'cause obviously the only thing you know is bitching around and not even giving some suggestion, especially the ones like you who talk about something (in this case aviation) without even knowing anything about it just to look smart and 'not naive'.
Vucic just like a month ago lied to the people.
Great posts today as always.
From my perspective, 2016 might be the best year for JU to launch longhaul. I think you will agree that the transatlantic market is extremely difficult to enter, and 2016 is perhaps the most ideal year for new entrants since before 9/11.
Demand is huge but costs of fuel are low. Every airline is enjoying great margins.
An opportunity such as this may not arrive again for many years.
Aegean will start with long-haul, it is already announced. For sure not in next two years but in period shorter than 5 years that is for sure!
TAROM announced long-haul also. For sure they will not go to that adventure with their ancient A310-300. Is it real, I don't thing so, but here is their announcement from 19th October 2015: "The Bucharest-based carrier only operates short-haul European services and a route to Dubai, having withdrawn from long-haul markets in 2003, and Heinzmann notes that with Romania as a whole lacking any long-haul routes, starting intercontinental services would be "a big advantage". However, direct connections and "good timings" would be crucial, he acknowledges.
Heinzmann says Tarom is evaluating the possible acquisition of long-haul aircraft, including the Airbus A330 and Boeing 787, as part of a wider fleet renewal programme".
Foreign airlines reduced flights by 10% but their passenger numbers were reduced only by 3%.
Their load factor increased.
14:45 JFK 18:00 is not 2 hours turnround
OK 22 or 21 hours is not a big difference. Still it is more than far away to make BEG Balkan/ME wave connection possible.
BEG JFK 1730 2200 (10h 30m)
JFK BEG 2345 1310(+1) (8h 55m)
Why I think the afternoon departure is better is because AZ and AB both have their flights in the morning, where as JU would 'compliment' their partner airlines, ie: offering more flexibility in the EY network.
Second, the first Balkan wave is just after midday, the second after midnight. Self explanatory.
Feed BEG-JFK would comprise atm of the following destinations: SJJ, SOF, TGD, BNX, TIA, OTP, TIV, SKP, SKG, DBV, SPU.
JFK-BEG connects to: TGD, SJJ and TIV, however it is tight to OTP, TIA, SOF, SKG, SKP, BNX, DBV and SPU.
However, using the A319 to OTP, SKG, SKP, SOF and TIA would mean a shorter flying time, adding the extra minutes to facilitate transfer. BEG isn't big, and 20 minutes can be adequate.
The free ATR's could go on for OMO, OHD, PRN, CLJ.
Probaj da rezervises kartu iz Beca i iz Beograda za NYC i reci mi kolika je razlika gde je jeftinije iako imas i let vie - beg. I naravno letece se iz amerike preko beograda do evropskih gradova.
Ljubljana leteces preko Beograda, jer ti je prva sledeca linija ispod 40 sati sa Junajtedom 120 jura skuplja nego preko Beograda.
Still, wish Air Serbia good luck, I'm sure people will use it, it's a great opportunity for Serbia and all its passengers!
Razmisli ipak od Juna preko BEG.
Going with your comment, A3 is still in the short to mid term planning their transatlantic operations. At the same time they are growing at a fast pace which is incredible. Which is a positive note I mentioned in my comment above when compared to JU, who has downsized temporarily to boost CLF, but as you say may do more harm than good. But in the mean time, I do see A3 possibly codesharing with JU to JFK as they currently do with BEG, ZAG and LJU.
As for RO, they need a lot of improvement to follow up on. They are losing out to Blue Air and Wizz who have a sizeable base in OTP, are growing, and I am sure better CLF and other figures. RO has been making losses the past several years whilst in the same time had revenue decrease, as well as downsizing the number of employees. Even JU who is of a similar size, and I would think in a better position currently, there is many skepticism towards the start up of long haul. JU has a better CLF, more pax with less ac, a hub system already in BEG which is working with potential to grow further. RO will need a good shake up similar to the one seen with Jat Airways transformation to Air Serbia.
Hahahahahahaha!
One YM F100 is grounded in the Netherlands the past 20 days as YM hasn't paid for maintenance.
http://mondo.me/a489735/Info/Drustvo/Foker-lezi-u-Holandiji-jer-MA-nema-za-remont.html
Jel znate koliko stranaca a tu mislim na Nemce Svedjane Austrijance Holandjane koriste ASL ?
Isto su tako bile neke teorije da nece niko leteti iz ZAG a lete ih nekoliko 100. dnevno
Ali ne kazu dzabe za dobrim se konjom dize prasine
Is there going to be another SQ of Europe apart from JU?
No, you guys are going to be the only ones!
:D :D :D
2 in 1, like the shampoo.
Have you checked prices on those direct flights by El Al and Delta recently? Tickets under 1200€ are quite rare, under 1000€ even more so. So yes, I also expect at least a small percentage of that huge market to connect via BEG and save a few hundred bucks.
And why to connect via BEG and not via FRA, CDG, VIE or some other airport?
BEG JFK 1730 2200 (10h 30m)
JFK BEG 2345 1310(+1) (is 7h 25m not 8:55 as you wrote)
so it shoul be
JFK BEG 2345 1440 (+1) (8:55)
Za sve one koji pišu gloposti da ja putujem radi 100 EUR razlike po 500 km automobilom još jednom naglašavam da poslovni putnik koji bi učinio tako što ne bi bio poslovni putnik nego budala. Ja tako što niti sam ikada rekao, niti napravio. Ja za te sitne novce sigurno ne bih radio 500 km jer je moje vrijeme daleko najskuplje. Ali za 400-500 EUR (obzirom da nas obično ide 2-4 putnika zajedno na trošak moje firme) sigurno da bih krenuo automobilom na toliki put.
U slučaju Air Serbije uvjeravam vas da za 100 EUR ja osobno nikada ne bih krenuo prema istoku i produžio si put u obije strane za 7-8 sati (uključujući konekcije i duže letove) i još uz to putovao daleko nesigurnijom kompanijom od LH, LX, OS, BA, AF... (pri tome ne mislim na sigurnost ili održavanje zrakoplova, nego na mogućnost otkazivanja, rerutiranja, reagiranja na probleme...). To sigurno da ne bih!!! A ako mi Air Serbija ponudi kartu jefiniju za 200 EUR onda ću putovati sa njima i protrpiti tih par sati u BEG i duže letove.
No, naglašavam da 200 EUR manje sa dodatnim legovima (za npr. putnika iz VIE, DUS, FRA, MUC, ZRH...) znači bitno manji prihod po putniku, a toliku razliku bez ozbiljnog dumpinga Air Serbija si ne može priuštiti. Uz to morate shvatiti da operirati sa jednim zrakoplovom i 5 posada svakako je bitno skuplje nego sa 11 širokotrupaca i 55 posada (koliko ima OS) ili daleko više širokotrupaca u slučaju LX, LH, AF, BA...
partily agree with you:
+ costs of fuel are low
+ starting of flights much before Aegean, TAROM or flights to Zagreb (that will not happened in near future) to make position in market before them
+ use of expansion and business climate in Serbia
- demand (it is not that good in region, especially not in Serbia)
- huge competition in connection flights that will start with discount and dumping in BEG (LH, OS, LX, TK, SU, LO, maybe even AZ), but also in other JU feeding destinations (LJU: LH, OS, LX, TK, SU, LO, AF; ZAG: AF, BA, KL, LH, OS, LX, TK, SU, LO, SN, OK, TP; SJJ: OS, OK, TK, LH, LX; SKP: AZ, OS, OK, TK, LX; PRN: OS, LH, SK, TK; TGD: OS, TK; TIA: AZ, OS, BA, LH, TK, AF...)
- much higher costs of flying than competition (if you have 10, 30, 100, 200 long haul planes it is much cheaper to operate them per unit)
Well, for a start they keep on forcing JU to fly to destinations such as New York or Banja Luka. So when Vucic decides to stay out of civil aviation I will stop speaking about him. There is nothing about growing up, I think you need to calm down and control your frustrations.
Make money until 2018? Hahahah are you for real? That route will not make money until 2025 given the fact that regional network won't be improved and that JU can't get decent slots at TLV so as to feed these JFK flights.
I too don't understand your logic where you are proposing to start flying to the US before Aegean does even if the airline is lacking the proper regional network, that is frequencies and destinations to become competitive internationally. You are pathetic when you are comparing JU to TK or QR. The former is based in a country of 70+ million people, in a city that has between 10 and 17 million people, a country which is in G20 and whose government stopped meddling in aviation matters, which is not the case in Serbia. QR on the other hand is a vanity project, just like JU, the only difference is that Qatar is the richest country in the world while Serbia is among the poorest in Europe. QR is financed from the income of natural gas sales while JU is funded from the taxes of the already impovrished Serbian taxpayers.
Yes, many countries have state financing but they have it as a temporary measure for a year or two until the company is firmly on its two feet. In the EU you are allowed only one cash injection every 10 years. The issue with Serbia is that these subsidies are neverending.
No need to comment because your entire hypothesis is that JU will be profitable in some distant future and that we should all remain quiet and wait for Dane to actually become competent enough to run the circus called ASL.
Hahahah thanks for stating I know nothing after you compared JU with QR and TK and after saying that we should endlessly spend our money until some time in the future JU becomes profitable or, my favourite, that JU should rush to launch JFK flights before some other airlines do so as to make the most of it. When at this moment competition to JFK is as fierce as it gets and that JU is already late to the ball. So I think I know a thing or two more than you since I actually take more things into consideration when thinking about these North American flights.
Go and consult a shrink, you seem like you have a lot of unresolved issues. :*
Sorry, I forgot to ask. When you speak of everything we have, do you also include JU on the list? hahaha
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