So I guess the rumors that this route was not performing well turned out to be true.

wow so that's the third airline to leave Zagreb this year.

That awkward moment when SJJ can sustain flights to DXB but ZAG can't.

What I find interesting is that Skopje managed to be better performing for them than Zagreb.

Looks like Lufty still has the best Asia/FarEast deals for passengers originating from ZAG. What remains is mostly picked up by Qatar and that's it.

I fear SKP is next, the loads had been less than fine.

Don't forget the kind of dumping, Turkish Airlines. They offer Australia through a stop in SIN.

There is less competition than in Zagreb and my guess is the fees are lower too.

SKP is not served yet by QR, wait until we see. Besides the flights from SKP are all subsidised, so it's quite normal.

Kuwait, Oman etc they all dont need visa for Bosna. Im in SJJ now. theres more visitors from the gulf here then on other exyu parts

ZAG needs new management because their policy of attracting foreign carriers isn't working out so well for them. On top of that, they've managed to piss off OU.

Probably will when QR arrives.

Lol, the legend of "all flights from SKP are subsidised"....

I am really surprised too. I was thinking that the flights were well "fed" from Australia as current timetable perfectly matches Emirates' from DXB. Travel agents can sell FZ/EK. Also, Croatians no longer need visas to enter UAE since March 2014 so it's strange.

Will the one extra OU flight to Copenhagen, 3 extra Qatar flights and the 3 CSA flights be able to make up for the loss of Swiss, Flydubai and TAP this winter season?

Yes but we keep on hearing about Asian tourists in Croatia boosting passenger numbers or how Croatia has more passengers from Australia and so on. In the end, flydubai can't even make three weekly flights work.

Also, SJJ has quite a bit of competition, just look at the number of flights TK and Pegasus offer.

As if you knew the loads

Qatar also mulls pulling out from zag. Cannot compete with Lufty.

Anyone that has ever flown the EK/FZ combo from Australia knows what a nightmare it is. It is so inconvenient on so many levels. Everyone prefers flying with Qatar instead.

But why would a person lose a couple of hours from ZAG to FRA and back when they can board Qatar and go directly to the Gulf? If a passenger is traveling to UAE, he can take THY/ASL/ETD flights, which are on their way, not way back in Germany.
I hope you people understand that it is way better for ZAG to have more airlines and more choice, than to be left at the mercy of DLH.

why not? It is not as though the cancelled flights were nearly full.

I agree with you but you see that FZ failed because people didn't mind losing some time while travelling.

Oh really? Why is that? Missed connections?

There is absolutely no issue here, FZ plus EK work perfectly fine. I highly doubt that ZAG is the only market they are experiencing problems. I think it's just a way of justifying the failure of yet another route. The market is simply not there.

Anon 9:34

Because Qatar is an expensive airline with expensive service and tickets. People who want to save some money will go with Lufthansa or whatever the cheaper option is.

I think you are seriously overestimating Lufthansa and their business to far east from croatia. I mean, they don't even serve Australia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam,Sri Lanka, have one flight a day to Bangkok (as to TK two, QR I think 4 + Phuket), one to Singapore (QR has 3 I think), have incomparabely less seats, destinations and frequencies to India, Middle East. How in the world they can rule that market over TK or QR in Zagreb? Really, I'd like somebody to explain to me, really interested in hearing it.

Making room for Emirates? hm...

Not surprising really. Gaestarbeiters also go to the middle East, specifically Afghanistan. Lower competition also makes FZ to SKP a better deal for Australian diaspora.

As far as the SKP subsidies claim, at this point it's either gross ignorance or trolling. Won't be bothered educating that lot yet again.

Yet again ZAG has the same "problem" like LJU, it's quite close to BUD and BUD's traffic and new destinations is growing like crazy! EK fly daily with B777-300, W6 has almost 50 destinations, etc, etc. There is plenty and plenty of choice.
Yes, it is 340km away from ZAG but still..most airlines are focusing on it. Also north-eastern Croatians are definitely using the airport too.

What you forgot to mention is that LH can rely on their Star Alliance partners such as ANA, Air India, Thai, Singapore Airlines... which are all fed by flights from Croatia.

OS is suspending DEL but AI is stepping in with their B788. That's how mama Lufty does her business.

Yes, the next 2 class A380 is destined for ZAG.

your arguments are rock solid, no point in discussing further :) Guess that is why that same Lufty is killing ME3 all over the place and never complains how EK/QR/EY takes 'their' business nor cuts routes in Asia....cheers...

With only 3pw how in the world they can be competitive enough to link passengers from Asia/Australia when there are 10pw by QR? Also, Bosnia is far more popular among Arab countries than Croatia.

Will Flydubai start to fly from LJU?

Once I flew FZ to Kuala Lumpur. The terminal that FZ uses in Dubai is far from the terminal which use other airlines and it took them almost two hours to transfer us by bus. If I din't have so much time between the flights, I would miss it for sure. No matter how much cheaper the ticket was (and it wasn't that much cheaper), I wouldn't buy it again.

Lufthansa suffered a few setbacks but they are from being defeated. Also, EK is also starting to feel the heat with their service going downhill for a few years and now they've announced that they will be introducing ancilliary fees.

So EK is not as strong as some like them to be.

Cheers

Aha... so now they needed what? Double daily to be competitive? lol

Just face it, the market isn't that big. They started with 3/week in OTP and now it's almost double daily.

I don't have to face anything, hon. I just wrote down there my (awful) experience flying with them to SE Asia. FZ could be good only if your final destination is Dubai.

like I said, your arguments are rock solid. Especially since now you are comparing LH to EK, which is not even serving Croatia. Best to leave this pointless discussion.

You say that they terminated flights because of Qatar competition... Nonsense, they have triple competition in Belgrade (Qatar, Etihad and Air Serbia), 18 weekly flights if I'm not wrong, but they're still flying, and having great loads.

Hon? Seriously? Well, I am sure they have many transfers in BEG, SJJ, OTP, SKP, BTS... which had the opposite experience from your own. In the end, this route failed becuause of low demand, not because of the overall experience.

You are the one who started comparing LH with EK, not me. I merely pointed out that LH still has a lot of reach in Asia through its Star Alliance partners and that just because they don't send their own metal to some places doesn't mean they are not present.

If anything is pointless then it's your arguments.

Don't forget TK and their 14 weekly flights. They don't fly to Australia but they do fly to Asia and Africa.

Also, they downgraded PRN, SJJ and ZAG but not BEG.

Not only that but TK is reducing ZAG from 14 to 10 weekly. These 4 flights were probably full last winter.

No, you said they dominate in croatia to the east. I just challenged you on that and I am still waiting for your proper arguments apart from generic alliance one. I did not say QR does, just asking to provide more info on why LH does. So please show me something other than generic alliance argument.

Anon 9:34,

I would say primarily due to so many connections between FRA/MUC and ZAG. This allows passengers from ZAG to catch convenient connection times. With one daily flight ZAG-DOH connections via DOH may take hours of layover - even longer than going back to FRA/MUC and catching a flight there within 80-90 mins.

On top of that add Qatar's prices and there you go.

TK dumping may have some effect but many passengers are simply scared to connect via IST these days. That may change, but not likely for another 3-4 months.

Like Anonymous posted above it's about the amount of seats offered mixed with a high number of frequencies. If someone is looking at flying from ZAG to ICN then he will most definitely have MUC or FRA as a serious alternative.

You might not like the alliance argument but it's there for a reason, because it's a damn good one.

Finally, the first time EK is mentioned in at 10.38, that is in your comment.

LH/BUD factor is far more serious threat to FZ in Zagreb compared to any headaches EY/QR/BUD factor may be giving them in Belgrade. This cancellation clearly shows it.

Hm, I think LH has upper hand in Korea, Japan and partly China. Other than that, all of South and South East Asia with Australia is really far more competitive and sellable on QR vs LH and even TK. Plus Middle East with TK. LH group dominating in northern parts of asia is probably expected, also taking into logical geography, but the rest....I don't believe LH is dominating in places like Thailand, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Dubai, and of course Australia. Why would then QR increase services all the time?

I do wonder how well QR is performing on the route given that FZ is suspending ZAG and TK is reducing it. The market has obviously become saturated.

What ZAG need is Pegasus with some cheap fares to the Middle East.

You know what would be interesting to know, how expensive are BEG, ZAG and BUD when compared to one another. Maybe a reason why BEG is performing well is because they got a better deal than they did in ZAG.

one guy above said that QR already considers pulling out of Zagreb as Lufthansa is taking all the business from everybody.

well, TK must have issues with travel to Istanbul and Turkey as demand might have diminished - they made cuts world wide. As for FZ, QR has upgraded their services significantly during last two years so maybe they simply took enough of FZ business to not make it viable any longer. Of course, with TK and LH as well.

But what does the future hold then? QR will secure an almost total monopoly on flights to Asia. Fares have already gone up since they launched flights.
Competition has never been a good thing.

I hope LJU manages to get FZ especially since the market is higher yielding than the one in ZAG.

Isn't TK also part of SA? If it is such a good advantage for LH, than why not even better for TK?

While we are there, could you please provide the BUD profits for the last five years? Thanks in advance.

Chill it dawg.

Because there are two daily connections ZAG-IST compared to 9 daily connections to ZAG-MUC/FRA.

Plus more connections to VIE if necessary.

No, realistically it won't make it up. But the passengers and their wish and need to travel is still there so we can expect better LF in general in winter and the loss will probably not be too heavy.

Surely not. But I was already thinking of FZ relocating to LJU as there is no competition there and I expected them to announce LJU the moment they announce stop in ZAG. Usually such relocation doesn't make much sense but to Arabia there is just zero competition there.

As far as I know, BUD loses money left and right. Huge losses since 2012 - in spite of recovery of pax.

And their prices are higher than BEG. Don't remember 100% but I think what BEG charges 18.50 euro to legacies (service+security) BUD charges >20 euro.

Fares gone up? You can buy nearly all points in Asia throughout winter at very good prices and every now and then QR has deeply discounted promotions. What high fares are you talking about? Travel in summer on any airline out of Zagreb it is costly as all are full, but during winter when holiday season to Asia is, QR, TK and LH offer really lower fares compared to before.

BUD is at least 3h30 from ZAG by car, that is if you catch a perfect traffic flow on motorway and don't make a break. That is just some 20mins faster than to VIE.

I am sure there are not many people going to BUD from ZAG. Maybe rather some Čakovec inhabitants, if they have to or if it brings a big price saving, though you need to calculate tolls, petrol, parking, your own time for both ways each which - to me - it would always make it much more unattractive.

I am pretty sure they are at least in talks to each other.

But why not MBX? This is one of a few routes that actually might work and develop positively from Maribor. No competitions anywhere in the area to the Emirates until Vienna. No flights there from Graz, LJU, ZAG, whole northern Croatia or Hungary till BUD. If they could offer some 4 EUR airport taxes and if LJU is deemed too expansive by FZ, same like ZAG and GRZ then it has real potential. It would attract whole Slovenia, Southern Austria and Northern Croatia which in total are many millions of people.

FZ is not stupid. It is not a secret QR will either use 787 or go double daily in ZAG from next summer. Long term perspective in ZAG is not looking good for them there. Plus TK is definitely dumping a lot and heavy star alliance competition is much bigger than in any other ex yu airport.

ne razumjem sto hoces reci s tim LJU? ZG-LJ sat i pol voznje......broj gradjana HR koji zive i rade na Bliskom Istoku visestruko nadmasuje broj Slovenaca....i sta pricas ti o LJU????
btw. najbolja konakcija s Bliskog Istoka za ZG je sa TK....i cijenom i brzinom moze konkurirat...i konkurira FlyDubaiu

ma sta pricate vi ljudi??? jeste vi ikad u avion sjeli i negdje otputovali??? ma kakav FlyDubai.....LCC za let od 6 sati??? jeste vi neki mazohisti? 6 sati u avionu u kojem se sjedala ne daju nagnuti niti mm??? 6 sati u avionu u kojem casa vode kosta kao svetog petra kajgana??? neka hvala, ali ja ne bi.

All together cca 5 mio+

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 9:19 AM

Does Flydubai offer transfers or are they flying to Australia ?

So airline offers no incentives to Australian or South East, East Asian travelers, only location of their hub in Dubai. And you wonder why it didn't work ??

Also flying trice per week?

Qatar has 10pw out of Doha, extensive network including Australia, South East and East Asia and this is the airline many choose to fly with.

Flydubai had a good go at it, didn't work for them, Emirates might try in few years time, but totally irrelevant, the fact that Korean Air, CapitalBeijing Airline and JAL fly to Zagreb and Croatia, and from 2018/19 most likely on a regular basis, we can say job done.

Would love to see Singapore Airlines in Zagreb to offer alternative to Qatar via Singapore, for Australian and EastAsian visitors, however with BA, KLM, Air France, Lufthansa, Austrian, Iberia and number of other carriers offering superb connections via European Hubs I am not worried.

Swiss is returning in April 2017, TAP too, SAS, Alitalia, AerLingus, Finnair, EasyJet, Aegean, all coming to Zagreb in 2017 and 2018, I think we can safely assume things will be ok.

Dear friends,
I really think we should learn something from today’s discussion, and that is how we should all love our country and be happy with whatever happens. For example, today we can see that flydubai is leaving because it is the worst airline in the world with no recline seats, cause competition is so good in Zagreb that from now on they will have only Qatar airway flying to the middle east. That Turkish airline reduction in flights is cause of their own incapability and that even thou Swiss and TAP left they will for sure return next summer with bigger and better planes.
So a big lesson for all the nationalities on this forum how we should respect our country.
Thanks for that.

787 to ZAG? I really doubt it. Maybe A321 on all flights. 787 are used on more important routes such as VIE, MAD.
They do 2x daily OTP with A320 and it´s a much much bigger market.

Having an airline leave is not always a good thing. Remember that less competition and options leads to higher rates and less people flying. Maybe not everyone wants reclining seats and you cannot simply name it "the worst airline in the world" because there is no such thing.

Wow so many connections and so many important people you must know since you know what will happen for sure in next 2 years.
Of course flydubai is the worst airline in the world and Zagreb will be way better without them...

anon 2:14, I think you missed some sarcasm in the post above.

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 9:06 AM

A lot less competition, Zagreb is covered by major EU airlines, Qatar flies to Zagreb 10 times per week, you also have strong Turkish presence with 10 weekly flights, was 14 up to recently.

Flydubai never had a chance, they offer nothing other then position in Dubai as a hub.

Zagreb is covered by all major EU carriers, SAS, Alitialia, Finniar, Aegean and few others still waiting to come in, but it is only matter of time.

Skopje is more of low cost base for Wizz air and not entirely sure of Lufthansa or any other EU carrier fly there, sorry for my ignorance.

Someone mentioned Skopje giving subsidies, I am not sure how much of that is true since it is managed by TAV, hardly possible, however Macedonian Government might be, totally different story here. If Macedonia wants to promote itself as a unspoiled nature reserve in the heart of Balkans, who am I to criticize them, after all it is absolute right for Macedonia to spend money on self promotion. It would be nice if Croatia did bit more of its own PR, instead of relying on Hollywood A listers coming to Croatia and promoting the country.

I mean such promotion is good, but it would be nice if Croatia had bit more of a PR strategy how to attract more visitors in to the continental parts of the country. And sorry John Malkovich won't do (he's parents are from Slavonia and Czech Republic, he has a house in Dalmatia and South of France). FYI

Hahah yeah, it's funny how FZ's suspension is attributed to their incompetence and to the size of the airport. We all predicted airlines will be pulling out of ZAG after the honeymoon phase but we were mocked.

Emirates will not try ZAG, at least not as long as they are working on improving their yields.

Imagine if everyone had that attitude after flying OU and their chronically ill Q400s.

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 9:08 AM

I think you're getting ahead of yourself, Lufthansa plays a significant role but there's loads of choices for travelers to Zagreb, Air France, Turkish, BA, KLM, Iberia, Qatar all fly to Zagreb.

Ocito da ti nikada nisi leteo sa FZ, nije to W6. Od prosle godine hrana i pice na letovima ka Balkanu se ne naplacuje. Uz to imaju IFE i sedista su im malo nabijena ali nije strasno. Dakle FZ nije uopste nekonkurentan u poredjenju sa ostalima.

Anon 14.11

Great post! Made my day

I flew so many times on OU'S Q400s between ZAG-VIE and SPU, never experienced the slightest problem. What are you talking about?

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 2:30 PM

As opposed to flying with Air Serbia and their dilapidating ATR 72s older than 99% users of this blog.

Q400s are doing fine btw, OU is quite happy with them and are keeping them for good.

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 9:18 AM

Easily, however growth not might be over 5%.

TAP, Swiss and CSA are coming back to Zagreb in 2017, for FlyDubai they must have had really bad to have had to cancel, if that's the case, I am not worried, sure 180-200 pax per week gone, but increase in other carriers should cover the loss.

Not sure. 7x 787 or 14x A320 pw - both is possible. Depends on aircraft availability and strategy.

I don't understand this celebration of LH. LH is fighting LCCs, ME3, internal disputes and strikes, has questionable pilot selection procedures. Its own pilot flew a plane full of passengers deliberately into a mountain. LH was forced to introduce bare-bone service recently. I don't see much positive there.

TK is in a temporary crisis, because of recent developments in Turkey.

The LH crisis feels chronic.

LH treats smaller Star Alliance companies not as its partners, but as satellites. Croatia has so much potential. I think OU lost a lot of potential holiday market by subjecting its plans to LH general strategy.

If Q400s are so good, why companies around the world prefer buying ATRs. Just compare sale numbers of these two aircrafts. Used ATRs also fare nice. Tells a lot.

Wow, pretty good summary of the positive spin.

JAL, What a joke! JAL wouldn't even dream of ZAG.

OU had a pressurization problem on one of their Q400s on the flight to ATH. A few weeks before that there were problems with a landing gear and so on and so forth.

Let's also not forget the crash landing in Zurich or when they had to use butter to close the doors.

Also, why do you feel the obsessive need to involve JU in this discussion? Does it pain you that they carry more passengers than OU?

Everything is awesome, we're living our dream!

Yeah but even if JL finds the adequate slots at ZAG they must have at least daily flights otherwise they will make the same mistake as FZ. :/

The problem of ZAG is lack of outbound PAX. The traffic is relying on inbound pax heavily and seasonal. How many of your family and friends have been on holiday on long haul from Croatia recently? We don't have a culture of holiday abroad. Majority of the populations here has never even flown anyway.

You know what's awesome? Everything!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTqXEQ2l-Y

No worries. JAL is not silly enough to launch TYO - ZAG scheduled flight.

No

Ljudi bez ikakve uvrede za bilo koga ovde,ali da li je realno da ce sve ali bukvalno sve kompanije ovog prokletog svijeta poceti letjeti za ZAG.Ne shvatam zasto to radite zasto spamate ovde sa pricama o JAL,SIA,SAS,ALItaliji,ali zasto?Odjednom nadjete resenje za situaciju u evo npr ovoj u kojoj FZ prekide letove,odmah govorite kako ce ovi poceti letove kako ce oni a to bude samo mrvo slovo...Znaci molim vas da prestanete.QR nikad ali nikad nije spomenuo pricu o 787 za ZAG, ipak ovde likovi dosadjuju sa time,neko je "IZVALIO" to i sad svi to ovdje pricaju.I o problemima sa Q400 je ok pricati,ali iste sekunde ubaciti JU u pricu nije uredu.Ovde smo realno da sagledamo stvari sto se tice aviacije u ovim nasim zemljama,i ne shvatam poentu svog prepiranja.Koliko god da vas bolilo JU ima long haul,i mi kada spomeno njihovu expansiju odmah neka pametnica uleti sa pricom kako to nije moguce/JU ce se razvijati kolko god vas to bolilo.SKP jeste davao povlastice W6 ali vise ne daje i dosta sa tim,i BEG je i TZL je i sta sad?Nikada ali nikada necu shvatiti te vase price ali eto...

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 2:28 PM
@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 2:15 PM
AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 3:35 PM


What happens with few carriers moving out happens all the time, it won't change, you can make what ever assumption out of it, the fact will remain. Things never remain the same.

Eh, taman lepo si počeo. Ne znam zašto pomenu JU i da ju ima long haul "koliko god vas bolilo". To je jalovo prepucavanje, ne diskusija. Obesmislio si svoju kritiku time.

Nisam mislio da nelapim na nos nekome to sto se ASL siri,ali mi bude krivo kad vidim kako svi podrzavaju OU a kad JU nesto objavi nas troje objavi nesto i budemo nalepjeni zbog necega lepog sto smo objavili samo sam to mislio reci...

Razumem, ali ta "podrška" nije nešto na čemu treba zavideti. To je najobičnije palanačko ulepšavanje stvarnosti i samozavaravanje. Inače ne podržavaju OU, pošto ona nije pogođena, nego ZAG, koji ovim gubi jednu destinaciju.

Hahaha... they moved away from ZAG...and they would go to MBX? Well, don't count on it..not in this millenium :)

On kada te devojka otkači, a ti smisliš priču da si ti nju otkačio zato što nije ništa valjala i da svi seku vene za tobom. E tako je ubedljiva "obrana".

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 3:00 PM

Q400 - sales 1,193
ATR-72 - 836

Shows how much you know

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 3:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nURVN5F6264

Also Q400 has 134 orders on its order book, how many ATR 72? less than half that, 60.

Q400 - range - 2500km
ATR 72 - range - 1500km
Cappacity: -

Q400 78 pax
ATR72 - 66 pax.

Enough said.

Actually, the 1.193 applies to all the Q-series. If we look only at Q400 then the number stands at 522 with 40 unfulfilled orders. In other words, the Atr-72 alone outsells the Q400.

Enough said.

Counting all versions of both aircrafts (you count Q400 from 1983, ATR started in 1984).

ATR deliveries: 1768
Q400 deliveries: 1193

http://www.atraircraft.com/about-atr/corporate-overview/key-figures.html

Q400 much more expensive to buy, more expensive to operate. It is a model for North America, not very popular in Europe. ATR much better suited for much more densely populated Europe.

Anon. 18.13
+1

Exactly. I was going to write the same. Shows how much anon. 17.31, 17.39 knows.

Don't forget that BA is also reducing ZAG to just 4 weekly flights.

Btw how many flights did SU operate in wintertime to ZAG? I saw that they will have 4 this winter, wasn't it daily last year?

Some claim that JU is performing so badly in ZAG yet this winter they will fly there 12 times while LJU was reduced to 11. Yeha, they are flying empty there.

Guess Whoo; razmak posle tačke i zarez. Aman čovječe.

I think this completely puts under question the rationale and financial justification of ZAIC and the French airport terminal. Proof is, as far things go, the current terminal is actual more than enough to handle the current amount of flights + for at least 5 years to come. Maybe it should have just been refurbished instead of indebting the Croatian taxpayers with few more hundreds million Euros for an airport that'll be sitting empty, unless they plan on using it as a tourist landmark. My two cents.

Could they maybe just add a few more gates to the old terminal? Just to expand it? It could be much cheaper at least until they see what will become of OU.

Also, if/when OU bankrupts then what?

Good chanse for Ljubljana airport.

OT:
INI summer 2017 schedule is on sale. Nothing new for now.
BTW, FR will fly from Oradea (4th airport) next spring to BGY/GRO. Maybe they can add more ex-YU airports??

OT: Does anyone know what method of travel did Milorad Dodik use to get to Russia?

OT: Yesterday my brother flew YYZ-CDG with AC and CDG-SJJ leg with JU. He was amazed how good the service and food was aboard JU flight. In his words, AC food was sh** compared to JU. He also reported packed Airbus on the CDG-BEG leg which is great for end of September. On the other hand, several people here commented that CDG is one of the best performing routes for them, so that’s was not surprising

Sad to here about them leaving Zagreb. They were very convenient for P2P passengers like myself although I must admit they were not always that full (at least the last few times I flew with them). Now we will need to fly via Doha or Istanbul to get to Zagreb.

I could only see JU flying there

How much did he pay? Where did he book his ticket?

Airplane, I'm sure of it.

Lol! You are all funny.

It depends what you need the turboprop for! If its longer routes primarily then airlines always go for Q8400. If it's short low pax routes then ATR is more economical and better decision.

No way on earth to generalise!!

Nobody says they will. It is about potential from MBX if they offered similar tax rate like TZL and INI. MBX is right in middle of area totally unserved to the UAE. That is a fact.

FZ might ditch ZAG but maybe consider DBV or MBX. Those airports need more connections to the world.

What's the problem in Alitalia they strike today? https://www.alitalia.com/it_it/volare-alitalia/news-e-attivita/news/strike_22sep.html

Yeah I know but I mean by which type: Private jet, chartered aircraft, JU, SU out of ZAG, etc?

Good for your brother and good for ASL.

Ovo su dobre vesto za ostale igrace i za ASL sto ce tako moci da privuku sto vise putnika .
Mislim samo da su ti letovi samo za sezonu i da van sezone imaju slabije putnika.
INN-NS

The problem is that on longer routes Q400 is outperformed by regional jets, while ATR is not much slower on shorter routes, but way more economical. And OU has so many short routes which would be perfect for an ATR, particularly in the low season.

Ovo i ne utice bas mnogo na JU. Vise ne TK i QR

Yes, only Doha or Istanbul for you. For other passengers in Zagreb there is a double daily connection with a nearby city that has double daily connections to UAE. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) From that city you can fly to two other continents beside Europe. Isn't that just great?

Naravno da utiče. Ali dobro, jasno je svima da te to muci.

A leba ti na koji nacin utice? Mreza i izbor destinacija koju nude JU i FZ iz ZAG su znatno razlicita. Ovo i nije bas slucaj sa TK, QR i FZ

Dakle mene nista ne muci vec samo konstatujem ono sta je ocigledno.

Aleksandre Vlada RS ima svoj privatni Avion privatno verovatno je leteo sa njim posto kad i Presednik Srb leti negde i ona leti sa Vladinim Avionom.
INN-NS

Naravno da ima ljudi koji ce dalje da lete sa JU ali to je manji broj kao sto sam i napisao .
INN-NS

Wow this is the end for Zagreb, soon Lufthansa will leave and OU will go bust, the end of near I can see that... Finally JU has a chance to take on entire region's market. /sarcasm

@AnonymousSeptember 22, 2016 at 6:13 PM

All ATR 72 figures are 863
All Q400 are at 1193, and many more on order.

You're talking nonsense, few incidents with Q400 doesn't make it unsafe, there are nearly 1200 Q400 on the market, bound to have few incidents. As to your nonsense urban and which aircraft is cost effective, please look at fuel consumption of both aircraft and the range.

You are so deluded

+1