Putin: Russia ready to renew Air Serbia’s fleet


The Russian President, Vladimir Putin, said yesterday that his country’s aviation sector is prepared to assist in the renewal of Air Serbia’s fleet. It comes weeks after the First Deputy Head of the Russian Government Office, Sergei Prikhodko, said the national carrier is considering ordering Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft and the Irkut MC-21 jet, which is currently in development. Furthermore, Mr Putin noted the country is willing to set up a regional maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) centre for Russian manufactured aircraft at Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport. Last week, Serbian maintenance provider, Jat Tehnika, announced it had become Europe’s first MRO organisation to win approval for the line and base maintenance of the SSJ100 jet.

Air Serbia has remained tight lipped on the matter over the past month. On the other hand, Russian officials have said, “Supplying Russian-made aircraft to Serbia is being discussed in various formats. In particular, Sukhoi is working with the Serbian national carrier Air Serbia to upgrade the airline's fleet by purchasing the Superjet 100 aircraft. As for the MC-21, this type may be of interest to Air Serbia in the future”. Sukhoi first approached and pitched the SSJ100 to the Serbian carrier in late 2015. In 2017, the plane maker reiterated it was negotiating with Air Serbia over a potential aircraft order.

Air Serbia has been on the lookout to replace its regional fleet of six ATR72 turboprops, part of which were delivered new to the carrier's predecessor in 1990. The airline’s part-owner, Etihad Airways, cancelled an order for ten Airbus A320neo aircraft, which were destined for Air Serbia, at the start of the year. Instead, the Serbian Finance Minister said the national carrier would replace its current A319 and A320 jets between 2022 and 2025. The Sukhoi Superjet has the capacity to seat between 87 and 108 passengers, depending on cabin layout and seat configuration. On the other hand, the MC-21, which is in the testing phase and expected to enter commercial service next year, has the capacity to seat between 132 and 211 passengers.




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  1. A russian fleet for Air Serbia would be great.

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    1. Considering the good relations and ties (up to 6 daily flights to Russia) it would be logical.

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    2. I never understood comments like the one above. How about you actually give some arguments? (if you have any that is)

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  2. Oh no they are actually serious about this :/

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    1. Why not? I mean we are tightly connected with Russia. It would be logical to do more business with Russia.

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    2. Better to buy more caviar and Russian made vodka instead of SSjs.

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    3. So, in communist times, JAT didn't fly a single Soviet plane, and today, Air Serbia is considering a Russian plane with dubious performance... interesting.

      And NO - Russia is NOT Serbia's main partner, nor is it tightly connected to it. Despite the nationalist rhetoric, European Union accounts for 67% of Serbia's exports. Neighbouring CEFTA countries account for 17%, and the Russian Federation accounts for only 5% of Serbian exports. These are facts, not some wishful thinking.

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    4. People cannot afford caviar. But the Politicans can afford spending taxpayers money to return favours by Russian colleagues.

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    5. Anonymous at 09:13
      +1
      We have much higher exports to BiH than to Russia and its 120 million population!

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    6. Are you seriously comparing Tu-134 and Tu-154 with the SSJ? Ok.

      Also, the EU is Serbia's main partner only because EU companies are opening subsidized manufacturing sites in the country. Look at FIAT and how much money from the state budget is given to them. So naturally when they export their subsidized products it's listed as Serbia's export to the EU. Remember the fabrika za preradu ribe in Smederevo? The country gave them subsidies, built the facilities, the city took a loan and then one day when workers showed up the factory was completely shut down. Germans left without trace and without any culpability. So I wouldn't really rush to promote these EU-Serbian economic ties.

      On the other hand, Serbia will finally get a share of natural gas free of charge. Russia is actually financing the pipeline construction through Serbia since we can't afford it. Also Serbia is investing in building a pipe to Bosnia which was agreed upon recently during a Dodik-Vucic meeting.

      So the facts you have presented are slightly twisted. Funny how no one minds subsidies for companies when they are from the EU.

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    7. We had fleet of Tu134 and they worked with profits

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    8. Dejan, who has 120 million people? Russia or Bosnia don't.

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    9. Serbia is entering the Eurasian economic union (along with Israel) so the market will be around 180.000.000 if not more.

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    10. Anon at 09:27
      My mistake. Russia has 144.5 million population.
      And yet they import less staff from us than BiH does!!!

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    11. Then that says more about us than them, no? Maybe if we subsidized less EU companies there would be more money for local companies to improve and modernize? How many billons have been given to FIAT? Or NCR? Remember Endava scandal?

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    12. @Anon 09:13
      Actualy, JAT flew piston engined IL-14 from 1957 to 1961.
      Another Serbian airline, Aviogenex, flew a fleet of TU-134, and made serious business (with the West) out of it.

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    13. @Dejan: The question here is not if "we have much higher exports to BiH than to Russia and its 120 million population"- but we have more imports from Russia or BIH? :D

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    14. No Anon @10:11, that speaks volumes about Russian protectionism!
      If our products are good for the EU and CEFTA consumers they they should have been more than good for Russians too.
      But tariffs and protectionism prevent us from exporting them to Russians.

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    15. @Anonymous 5 December 2019 at 09:39
      What a pleasant development of the country. And don't forget that the price might be to damage the economic relations with EU and to lose the access to EEA. Just saying...

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    16. Mr Dejan you honestly don't know what you are talking about. I assume that you haven't been to Russia recently!? Are you aware that there are no serious Serbian producers / exporters capable to deliver a consistent product to the Russian market in required QTY? Only 1-2 dairy producers made their homework and penetrated the Russian market the proper way and subsequently now their products are found in almost all supermarkets. Others are a pitty called "tasna / masna business" who come here and are offering something that can't be interesting for a distribution chain because they can't supply desired quantities. Second Serbia made goods are not competitive with Turkey, China ...etc. BiH is next door while Russia is a bit further away so transportation plays a big role on the price hence much easier to sell and to be more competitive in BiH than in Russia. Serbia as a state does nothing to animate the huge Russian market, to market properly and to unite potential exporters. So Russia is not here to be blamed. Serbia needs to put some order in it's own court first.

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    17. Anon at 11:35
      There is exactly zero need for me or anyone else to go to Russia in order to comprehend that BiH imports more products from us than Russia and its 140 million consumers!

      There is exactly zero need for me or anyone else to go to Russia in order to comprehend that the EU import more than 15 times of our products than Russia does.
      Apparently the quality is consistently good enough for Germans, Belgians, French and Swedes but not for Russians.

      So Serbia is not here to be blamed. Russia needs to put some order in it's own court first.

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    18. Anon 09:39
      Neither Serbia nor Israel are joining the Eurasian Economic Union any time soon.

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    19. Dejan comare our export to USA (2.5 more population)and Russia. Do your conclusion stands for this case?

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    20. USA is in another continent. And they are not forcing us to buy inferior aircraft that none wants.

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    21. Jesus Christ, it's not Serbian products that are exported to the EU but products of EU companies that are having them produced in Serbia. For an EU country to start producing here they first must register a local company. So when our statistics authority looks at it they see it as a Serbian product exported to the EU. In reality it is a highly subsidized product manufactured in Serbia by an EU company. All paid for by the Serbian taxpayers. Look at subsidies FIAT, NCR and others got, not to mention all the other factories throughout Serbia.

      Serbian export to Russia might be modest but they are mostly OUR products. Serbian products manufactured in Serbia by companies owned by Serbs and which do not receive subsidies from the taxpayers. Like all those private rakija brands or Serbian raspberries that are making their way to Russia each year.

      So let's not lose focus here please. There is nothing about EU-Serbia trade to be proud of, quite the opposite. I guess some on here, like Dejan, would rather be cheap workforce of the EU only to be far away from Russia.

      Also, when comparing Serbian exports to the EU and Russia, you might want to keep an eye on the population of both. EU has 512.000.000 inhabitants, Russia has 145.000.000. Let us be real when discussing things here.

      This is an aviation forum so I won't compare Russia's political stance towards that of the EU. The choice is obvious for any Serb that loves his country.

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    22. One other thing to look at are imports. I read somewhere that 87 percent of parts in every FIAT manufactured are imported. While owned by US Steel everyone talked about it as the biggest exporter but nobody mentioned that it was biggest importer as well. All of this says something about Serbian economy in general which is mainly based on cheap labour and some resources and that’s what these western companies are after.

      I’m not “rusofil” by any stretch of imagination (big power/big interests, everybody is looking out for themselves) but at least they never bombed us.

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  3. It is becoming more and more obvious that Air Serbia will need additional aircraft next summer. I just don't like the idea of them adding Sukhois.

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  4. Jat Tehnika becoming Sukhoi service center is a clear indication these planes are coming to JU.

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  5. Great Success! [/Borat voice]

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  6. If this materializes, how many planes could they get? Would they replace the Airbus fleet or keep both.

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    1. With the usual availability of Russian aircraft JU will need a fleet of 30 in order to have 10 aircraft operational a day...

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    2. ^^
      True dat!

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    3. Not necessarily because they will have a maintenance facility like Aeroflot does.

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    4. I bet the certification framed and hanging in the wall of JAT Tehnika's office wall will make all the difference!

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    5. Well as long as you bet on it then there is nothing more to add to this discussion. I bet you were also making same bets about JU launching KRR, JFK, HEL... yet here we are.

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    6. Anon at 09:5I can make plenty of bets on anything as long as the state pays for my losses!

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    7. If ssj is at least twice cheaper than a220 and has maintenence on home airport and same or less fuel consumption it might be a good choics.

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    8. From what one can hear and read the SSJ is not state of the art regarding low fuel consumption but is rather comparable to a Fokker jet.

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    9. Do you have a source to back that claim?

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  7. This is great news. Long term stability.

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  8. That is very bad news for Air Serbia!

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    1. This actually is bad news for JU.

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    2. Why is it bad news for JU?

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    3. Anon 09.21

      Didn't you know that even good news for JU is somehow bad news for JU.

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    4. Getting Russian aircraft.

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    5. Getting SSjs is bad news for any airline on the planet. Including Russian airlines!

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    6. This racist anti-Russian rhetoric on here is getting old.

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  9. Who knows what Air Serbia is up to. They have a habit of surprising everyone. I wouln't be surprised they are planning an LCC subsidiary with these new planes.

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    1. Aviolet - for low cost flights (from Nis and Kraljevo) and charters. That wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

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    2. Just sticking a LCC label on something doesn't make it so. Achieving 2c/CASK ex fuel is when you do.

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    3. ^That is more doable with new aircraft then 30 year Boeings.

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    4. Oh absolutely. But there are a few other things like economies of scale and 90+ LF.. which are out of reach.

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    5. Because SSJ has a fuel efficiency per seat and reliability of a 737/A320, yes.

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    6. Anon 09.21 that is a lie.

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    7. It was sarcasm...

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  10. Ovo i definitivno znaci da SSJ100 stize u ErSrbiju.Vreme je da se Boinzi penzionisu,3 A319 prebaciti u Aviolet a SSJ100 ubaciti na manje opterecenijim linijama a dobro ce doci i na nekim regionalnim linijama gde ATR nije dovojan.

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  11. Looking forward for 2for1 special today. Anti JU rhetoric mixed with Russophobia. 👍

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    1. 😂😂😂
      Anyway, staying away from EU-USA reach is essential for Serbia.
      Lets not forget how they stole JAT Airbus deposit and blackmailed us for decades. Can only imagine what would have happened if Western money came in instead of Arab in to JU. The company would be a history.

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    2. Well we saw what westerners did in Adria. ;)

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    3. Or what Germans did to BMI. Best thing to happen to JU was that it stayed away from these western experts. Let's face it, all they want is the region to be perpetually relatively poor so that they can just afford products from western countries. Countries like Germany, France or Italy do not profit or benefit from strong local economy in ex-YU.

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    4. I don't think there is much russiophobia here, actually I see mostly a phobia against anything modern, efficient and Western!

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  12. We are truly becoming a dumping ground... most airlines are fighting tooth 'n nail to get rid of the damn Ruskis but hey! Serbia welcomes them with open arms. I just hope that the very few wise men and women left will reach out to Cityjet, Interjet and even Aeroflot and ask them about their experience using these planes. There is a reason no one wants to buy Sukhoi SJ (hats off to their military offering).

    Air Serbia does need new aircraft but considering anything beyond the A32o family, maybe the A220 and a few new ATR 72-600s would be absurd at best.

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    1. Would you write the same comment if JU was getting the MAX or the unreliable 787? Of course because they are Western products.

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    2. Unreliable 787 compared to what? Tupolevs and Yakovlevs?
      LOL dude!

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    3. Of course it's unreliable, just look at LO or DY and the issues they had.

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    4. LO and DY should have gotten Ilyushin Il-96s.
      Oops sorry. Even Aeroflot got rid of them and got 787s instead!

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    5. Leaving the Max aside, compare the scale of issues of 787, 777 or 380 at the beginning to the SSJ.

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    6. Dude, Aeroflot cancelled their 787 order. ;)

      Keep up.

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    7. And out of the 3.500 already delivered 787s, 777s and 380s how many have crashed and how many have a lower than 99.5% dispatch reliability?
      Now go and compare that to any Russian made airliner in history!

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    8. And how many SSJs have crashed because of a design flaw? Also are you seriously comparing the A380 with 777 or 787? That plane was a commercial disaster and airlines are dumping them as fast as they can. Singapore Airlines sent some 15 year old aircraft to the junkyard!

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    9. Anon at 10:05
      Because of issues with Tramp.
      And they are getting A350s instead, not... Ilyushins.

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    10. Anon at 10:12
      SMFH at the ignorance!

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    11. Are you writing two separate comments to make your argument more logical? They are not cancelling it because of Trump but rather because they don't want it. They still operate 777s and 738s btw. Also the EU has sanctions against them as well yet they are going for the A350 because it's a better aircraft. If the lithium batteries are not in flame then the 787 is grounded because of engine issues.

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    12. ^^^
      And yet the 787 has over 99,5% dispatch reliability!
      With all those groundings happening mostly in the ExYu comments section one should think that they are grounded all the time. Like the SSjs!

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    13. SSJ is not grounded all the time, Russian carriers operate it normally. Look at LO, I think three of their 787s are grounded. State of the art.

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    14. Aeroflot themselves have 4 SSJs stored.

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    15. Nobody, i repeat, nobody is operating this aircraft normally. Amount of various efforts to keep this project alive is tremendous.

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    16. Those stored by SU are older models, among the first ones that were heavier than the onse after. Same thing happened with 787, I think ET got the initial ones for next to nothing.

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    17. Aeroflot has already gotten rid of their oldest 10 aircraft (11 if you count the one who crashed in Moscow).

      They've got one stored which is only 5 years old.

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    18. Which is why they ordered another 50. They just can't get enough of the airplane. And no, they are not forced to do so by the government as in the past 20 years they have been moving away from old Russian aircraft. The Russian government tried to force them to get the Tu-204 but they refused. If they are getting the SSJ it means they are satisfied enough with the aircraft.

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  13. Wouldn't be surprised if SSJs are in Air Serbiia fleet by next summer.

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    1. They can reduce AT72 by one / oldest one and get rid of the 3 ancient 737s and replace those approx. 4 birds by about 9 SSJs and hope that 6 of the 9 can be used at the same time having a really capable MRO facility for SSJs at BEG. This would give JU a surplus of +2 planes in order to reasonably expand in 2020.
      Now go find the mistakes.

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  14. Won't it be expensive to train all the crew for Sukhois?

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    1. it would most probably be covered by Sukhoi. They are desperate to get a non Russian customer.

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    2. Nothing good will come out of this ... I can see JU returning planes after a year

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    3. Some people said this aircraft is the best thing since sliced bread, when SN put their stickers on CityJet aircraft.

      And we all know how this ended.

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    4. And we all agreed on that it ended like that because of unreliable spare part supply. Something JU obviously won't have to worry about. SN was happy with the aircraft at first. Obviously the Russians have learned from their past mistakes.

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    5. "JU obviously won't have to worry about"
      LOL!

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    6. Ah LOL perfect counter argument, very eloquent of you.

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    7. I am much more concerned about strong safety issues of the SSJ100.

      Ruptured wing structures and ruptured fuel tanks and fuel lines when doing overweight landings give me the creeps and will surely keep me away forever of setting a single foot in that plane.

      The number of safety events of this plane type particularly in comparison with the small number of such planes operated is disturbing, even disregarding the fact most planes operate in Russia and other ex Soviet countries where press is not free but censored so most smaller events will not even be made public.

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    8. Actually they have problems with westerner part supplayers and russian engines. We do read airline reports. Stop lying.

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    9. Please enlighten us how JU will eliminate the supply chain problem with SSJ spare parts?

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    10. Anon at 12:30|
      JAT Teknics will have a framed certificate by Sukhoi hanging on the wall of its director's office!
      That would solve all performance, reliability and supply chain issues of the SSJ!

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  15. As much as I respect Mr Putin, these aircraft would be a disaster for Air Serbia and bankrupt them.

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    1. Bankrupt Air Serbia? How ? I mean the state can force Air Serbia to fly Kraljevo-Zürich for 10 million Euros once a week.

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    2. Why if they have a maintenance in Belgrade then why would it be a problem. After all if the A330 didn't bankrupt them then SSJ won't either.

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    3. An A330 might just be a little bit more reliable;)

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    4. Not in terms of finances when an airline that doesn't need it operates the 330 ;)

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    5. Last anon: Dont mix babe and zabe. The fact that Air Serbia can not make a profit on their NY route does not make one plane unreliable.

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  16. Bravo, this is the cheapest way to renew the fleet. In the end it saves a lot of tax payers money. So pls stop the whining.

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    1. I bet Interjet and Cityjet also thought they were getting aircraft for a cheap price...

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    2. Those two never had a certified maintenance facility at their hub. ;)

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    3. Anon 09:37
      :D

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    4. Yes, they were using uncertified engineers from the nearby auto shop. That was definitely the root cause of their issues with SSJ.

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    5. Could it be that those airlines didnt have in house maintenance for the SSJ, rather had it outsourced?

      If maintenance was outsourced, JU has the added advantage of having maintenance capability in house to react alot better compared to citijet and interjet. That in itself should eliminate the issues both airlines had.

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    6. Jat Tehnika is not really in-house anymore, when it comes to JU.

      SSJ's problem is availability of spare parts and not lack of qualified engineers. You can have the best mechanic fix your car, but he will still need new filters and oil if you want your car to work normally.

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    7. Jat Tehnika is Polish company with headquarters in Czech Republic. It is outsource for Air Serbia.

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  17. Looks like a win win:
    getting planes of the capacity JU needs, they are cheaper than Airbus or Boeing and no issue with maintenance since this would be in done in Belgrade

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    1. "no issue with maintenance"
      LOL!

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  18. looks like a done deal, especially if you connect JAT Tehnika with this

    I think that we are looking at 3-6 100-seaters from russia

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  19. This is the right move for JU. They need a regional jet and they will get these for next to nothing. Why should they get more subsidies from the government to get C-series or Embraer when like this Mother Russia foots the bill? Weren't people bitching just yesterday how we are wasting our valuable tax money on JU?

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  20. Good advise: DONT DO IT but it's your decision.

    Only spare parts logistics for Russian airplanes is difficult and often delayed until it reaches the Airport where your plane is grounded.

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    1. Spare parts will be in Jat Tehnika so all they have to do is to cross the B platform.

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    2. That's the main problem. A MRO centre in BEG doesn't really help when there is a problem outside the base. I like SSJ as passenger, however would think more then twice before having them in a fleet. Fingers crossed!

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    3. Well an Air Italy A330 was stuck in LAX for weeks because no one would provide them with spare parts ;) So it's not about having spare parts at the airport but rather about efficiently servicing it. When the JU A319 was stuck in Paris they still waited on the spare part to arrive from BEG.

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  21. Even if you get a Superjet for free you are paying too much!

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  22. Sounds like Air Serbia on the same way like Adria Airways, Bankruptcy!!!
    That’s what will happen If JU deal with Russia SSJ, so caution JU.

    Airbus A220 better then Russian SSJ.

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    1. Yes especially since LX grounded their entire C-series fleet a while ago due to an emergency check. airBaltic and Air Tanzania also experienced technical issues.

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    2. Swiss A220 were grounded 1 day for inspection, there were no faults and they were all returned to operations.

      On the other hand, SSJ engine has issue for 10 years, there are craks in the engine, nobody knows why and how to fix it. When cracks occur, they change whole engine and do the reparation of broken one.

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    3. Mhm ...

      https://www.aerotelegraph.com/en/many-years-of-trouble-with-the-a220-engines

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    4. u need to track how airbaltic does with own a220. each of aircraft had NEW pair of engines, due to faulty "design". google if u dont believe me. secondly, it makes sound when power is being set for take off power as my uncle granmaa bed made of metal :D

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    5. Haha exactly but some on here don't care since it's a Western product and by default it has to be fantastic and all that.

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  23. How many times has Aeroflot's SSJ get stuck in ZAG? Not a single time. Maintenance is key that is why BEG got it.

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  24. This is just the pressure from Russian side and there was no single comment neither from Serbian politicians nor from Air Serbia.

    Just remember how many times Vucic in front of Putin publicly repeatead that we need to export Fiat to Russia with no customs fees and it has never happened.

    So, this is just a try from Russians as they were not successful anywhere else. And the result should be the same like with Fiat cars export.

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    1. if gets fiats to russia then great!

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    2. Why should we care about an Italian car manufacturer? The Russians allowed for 99% of local products to be exported without customs duties. If FIAT wants to export from Serbia to Russia then Rome can lobby for them. Vucic is the president of Serbia, not Italy.

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    3. Fiat was just an example how Serbians shouls react in this case.

      Something like...we shall see, but it does not depend from us...we need to ask Etihad...Etihad is now in problems...they need time to reply as their CEO is not available...when he will be available we don't know etc...

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    4. FIAT has its factory in Russia. Stop making Dinkic's propaganda here.

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    5. If you didn't understand my point I am truly sorry.

      I really did my best to explain it to you.

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  25. Yup...
    This aircraft has one big advantage, it is Russian!
    Also has one big disadvantage, it is Russian...
    In fact this is not only Russian, but who care, it is important to stick good or bad etiquette on it...

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  26. Of course Russia is ready as nobody else wants to purchase this aircraft.

    We just have to ignore them.. Let them sell these planes to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Mongolia.

    We don't need them.

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  27. banana republics of yugoslavia

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    1. Yugoslavia? Not existing since 1990.

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  28. All of you with such negativity about this plane are a bunch of losers. SSJ is a decent product for the money and if JU has more money on the table they would for sure chose something other than SSJ. However it is better to fly in an SSJ than a 30+ years old ATR or B733. So value for money is here the principle. If this AC is good for SU why can't it work well for JU and you negatives on this blog? let's give it a chance and then critisize if needed.

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    1. Give it a chance?

      It might be too late after the chance is given

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    2. It is good for Aeroflot? The one that crash in Moscow and kill 42 passengers?

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    3. Well SU ordered another 50 so obviously it's good enough. Did JAT retire the Caravelle right after the TGD crash back in the day? They did not.

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  29. When wuz la time a SSJ made an accident or fell from the sky?
    I can only think of 2:

    2012 Mount Salak Sukhoi Superjet crash
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    Aeroflot Flight 1492

    Soooo we can saaaafely assume that the superjet has a super safety record and let Serbian airway order now!

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    1. Can You recall any aircraft type, operated by Aeroput, JAT, Jat Airways or Air Serbia, that was not involved in a fatal accident?

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    2. For a very small fleet of only 170 aircraft produced two fatal accidents is dreadful!
      It is probably the worst safety record of any aircraft produced over the last 40 years!

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    3. Also a Yakutia Airlines SSJ slid off the runway in 2018 and the damage was so great that it was written off.

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    4. Svejedno nije im svima zabranjeno letenje kao Maxu. Avion ima strukturni problem prevelike gondole motora koje izazivaju nepotreban potisak. Zahebavali su se sa sigurnoscu i sve ode u 3pm iz odmah. Kao kompanije koje slabo odrzavaju avione kad tad im se desi udes.

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    5. Yakutia incident had nothing to do with the plane itself.

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  30. So negative...
    SSJ is when properly maintained reliable and economical, per seat cost comparable to other same sized regional jets. From pax perspective is also more comfortable then CRJ or EMB.
    In aviation very few believed in Airbus in the early 80s and look where Airbus is now.
    With China-Russian cooperation in development of passenger jets, big manufecturers might find their inflated prices to be a burden.
    So what if airline has to have a surplus of jets due to maintenance? If price is lower, it all financialy works out at least similar; evetually better then with fewer planes.
    And guys, cool it down. Russian planes have negative reputation becouse Russians until some 10 years ago did not have a clue how to do PR.
    We all laughed at Hyundai 30 years ago. We laughed at Chinese electronics and merchendise.
    God, we loughed at all of Eastern Europe. Look at all of them now!

    Good Luck Air Serbia!

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    1. That's all cool, but they do not have to start in Europe with Air Serbia...

      I mean they already started with Belgians, Mexicans etc and saw that many problems appeared, so obedient Serbia came as logical conclusions where the planes could be sold as nobody else wants them.

      Thanks, but no thanks.

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    2. "So what if airline has to have a surplus of jets due to maintenance? If price is lower, it all financialy works out at least similar; evetually better then with fewer planes."

      Because normally you have a lot of cost fixed costs. Leasing, regular maintenance, parking, CAA costs, etc.

      Name one profitable airline who keeps a large amount of spare aircraft parked.

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    3. @ anon 15.52
      Right you are, but as SSJ cost, or lease is substantially lower, final financial result is better regardless of number of planes. Or, if it is simplier, CPFH is still favourable e.g. lower

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    4. I'm pretty sure a lot of airlines in Europe could get SSJ for free, and they still don't want it. MOL and the gang would want nothing more than get aircraft for free and they still rather pay Boeing or Airbus tens of millions USD/EUR.

      How difficult is it to understand that this aircraft as a package is garbage? Sure, it might be comfy for pax and cheap to lease, but with zero aftermarket support, it's useless. Normal AOG spare part support is 72h worldwide. And here we see aircraft stored for MONTHS.

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    5. Dude if you are going to trash Russia and Serbia how about you actually read up on the news. The whole point is that the Russians are investing in technical support by opening a maintenance facility in Belgrade. Any spare part that will be needed will be there for JU to use. Why is it so hard to understand?

      And MOL isn't using the SSJ because he needs larger planes in order to get volume.

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    6. So how come even the Russian airlines have some SSJs grounded?

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    7. Where did you find info that every spare part will be in Belgrade? Nobody promised that, you just think that they are going to do that. Or better, you are hoping that they will do that. They struggled to obtain engine and part replacements for Aeroflot and now you are hoping that JU will get "buy 1 get 1 for free" deal?

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    8. And aren't you just hoping they WON'T do that? You are basing your whole argument on your malicious feelings. Russians are smart and are learning from their mistake. The fact they are speaking about a maintenance facility only goes to show that.

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    9. I'm not hoping for anything. You made a claim, I've asked about source for that. You dont have source, but you have feelings :) good for you :)

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    10. Why to presume they will not do that? Because Interjet has to cannibalize 17 planes to fly just 5. They also promise them spare parts.

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    11. Interjet is actually wanting to get "rid" of Sukhoi not becoz of the jet but because of the raising competition in the Mexican market.
      The article (Spanish only) says it all:

      https://mundo.sputniknews.com/america-latina/201908231088467232-por-que-interjet-da-la-espalda-a-los-aviones-rusos-sukhoi-superjet-100/

      Aeromexico is not giving up the battle and the Mexican market is getting competitive¡

      The Russian jet did no problems so all should be good in Balkans.

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    12. Spanish Sputnik as source? :)) Really!? :))

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    13. What's wrong with Sputnik? I bet you would be ok with CNN which is basically trash fake news tabloid. Also everyone knows that Interjet is a mess, bailifs actually came to collect some property due to unpaid bills. This is because of bad management, not because of the SSJ which they successfully operated for years.

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  31. Ok, seems that 80% guys here have a big professional experience on this aircraft!
    So, tell me, please, how many of you physically touch this aircraft with a single finger?
    None? OK!
    I'll tell you, as one of the few SSJ100 sertified engineers:
    YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG!!!
    Aircraft is safer and much reliable than A220 (in 2 years have to change 50 engines!!!???)
    SJI has in Germany big spare parts stock operated 24/7!
    Bigger, cheaper, safer...

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    1. Why did all the companies then return SSJ100?

      They could not handle the plane that is soo good?

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    2. Yeah you're really "sertified"!! LOL Please enroll in a certified spelling class. On another note, this is VERY bad news for Air Serbia, unreliable planes pushed through political hallways.

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    3. Why are you all so worried about it?

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    4. Anon 13.30 yes, tell us more how pretty much anything is bad news for JU.

      One thing I noticed on here is that any time there is some news about Serbia, thank our Lord Jesus Christ it's mostly positive these days, so many people come on here and spread hate and intolerance. This has been going on since 2013 when the name Air Serbia was announced. Even back then people complained how it's not international enough, how no one will fly on an airline with Serbia in its name... then came the expansion of their network and the expansion of conspiracy theories. You know, if the airline and the market keep on booming but you still predict doom and gloom, people will stop taking you seriously. ;)

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  32. Good news that JU looking for a regional jets as on many routes the A319 is far too big. If the SSJ is a good choice, we will see.

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  33. They would never see me (quite frequent flier) on board ever again.

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    1. Who cares? I do not like LCC but I used them. I just think that you spent one hour to think about strong wording. Most of you not in airline business actually do not fly too much.

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  34. Poklonite vi Rusi nama par vojnih Suhoja pa tek onda da pricamo o civilnim

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  35. This sounds like pure politics and would be a very bad move. If bigger airlines such as Interjet or Cityjet had issues operating these jets I don't see why AirSerbia would find any success. Instead of going down these bizarre roads for fleet renewal I think they should do the following:

    Short Term:
    Renew the 3 extremely old ATR72-200 fleet immediately
    Lease a few A319s and retire the last of the 733 fleet

    Medium Term:
    Expand the ATR fleet to cover more regional destinations
    If necessary lease further Airbus capacity
    Begin to look into replacing older leased aircraft (ATR72-500 currently in fleet and YU-API/J come to mind)

    Long Term:
    I think within next 15-20 years when and if money becomes available standardising around a ATR/A220 fleet would not be a bad plan for JU especially if the A220-500 goes ahead. They will have all markets they need covered from 120-150 seats as well as having it covered with a quality product with appropriate after-sales support measures in place.

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  36. If Air Serbia is currently negotiating a deal with ATR or some another vendor, this push by SSJ should be used to sweeten the ATR or other regional aircraft deal for Air Serbia. Chinese participation in Belgrade airport concession tender helped the same way to maximize Vinci's bid.

    Ordering SSJ should not be acceptable. It would expose Air Serbia to political blackmail from Moscow or at least some leverage Moscow could use down the road. I will not respond to replies.

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    1. So if you will not respond to replies why post in the first place? Not like you wrote something impressive.

      So having an all Airbus fleet does not pave the way for EU to blackmail us? From what I remember the EU did do exactly that which forced both us and the Romanians to place orders for Airbus aircraft.

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    2. Air CEO can you site one example where Moscow blackmailed Serbia politically? Are you confused and mixing the West and the East? Moscow is East and they were always supporting Serbia!

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    3. Анон у 17:14
      Где си прочитао да каже само Ербас или Ербас-АТР? Каже или други произвођачи, значи Боинг, Мицубиши, Ембраер итд.

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  37. Привет! In light of this anti-Russian hysteria on here, I will share this blyatiful article with you my friends. It also comes from a reputable source.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-787-dreamliner-airline-complaints-quality-production-2019-8

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    1. Well, JU shouldn't order both SSJ & Dreamliner, we all agree :))

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  38. And what if the EU bans Russian made aircraft ?!

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    1. Then Russians will close the Siberian airspace and that will be the end of it.

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  39. Both parties seem to be under some pressure. Not an ideal deal but a forced one for both parties.

    Realistically, how long can JU continue to use the existing fleet as it is? Not talking about pax comfort, but a) reliability and b) safety and c) maintenance costs in particular potential d-check costs as they approach.

    Single new ATR-72 monthly leasing cost: 175.000 USD. Single new A320 monthly leasing cost 330.000 USD.

    Total yearly cost, if just 3 ATR and 4 B733 are exchanged for new: 22 mln USD. And these are just replacement costs for an airline that barely makes it to zero in financial terms (by the way: in Serbian GAAP and not in International accounting standards).

    Buying at a 1/3 of the regular price is tempting.

    Neither in favour nor against, just an observer.

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    1. Bad math warning: you didn't include much lower cost for maintenance of new planes vs old 733/ATR and much lower fuel costs. Once 737s are retired, jet fleet and crew will be unified so lower costs there as well.

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  40. Explanation: I meant one third of the price usually paid, not a catalogue price which is 100% higher.

    Observer.

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  41. What bankrupt Adria missed Air Serbia could get into work.A great chance for getting modern russian jets at very cheap price + home base MRO for these jets.Wish it would worked out well.....

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    1. If Adria had to deal with SSJ, it would have gone bankrupt at the beginning of summer season already and not at the end.

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    2. Adria was bankrupted by a Western company, let's not forget that. It's a privatization process gone bad.

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  42. Serbia in the end will pay those several MIG-29's through the nose.

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  43. This should not be either-or vs. a turboprop like an ATR. There is a place for each type in JU's fleet. For regional flights, the economics of ATR aircraft are impossible to beat, and the customer by and large does not care about much other than the price. Why replace this with a more expensive to operate aircraft, putting JU to a competitive disadvantage? On the other hand, there are routes that an ATR just cannot do well. Thinner and a bit longer routes like Warsaw, Kyiv, Minsk, Geneva, Oslo (unsure if this fits within range), Sankt-Peterburg, Malmo, Gothenburg, more smaller cities in Germany (you can never have too many Gastarbeiter routes) come to mind. JU could very nicely fill up its route map with a regional jet. It doesn't have to be a Sukhoi... but there are advantages to diversification. It is *not* a good idea to be in a place where you start having nothing to fly if *one* political body decides that you can't get spare parts any more.

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    1. look at operation of E-195 in Montenegro? Why would anyone go with SSJ when you can get airplane like that?

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  44. In this year we heard that SSJ will be bought by Slovenians, Norwegians, Turks, Arabs, etc. Not once you've heard that they will buy it because it's a good plane but because they need gas, weapons, flying permits or going bankrupt, etc.
    Always, info was placed by Russians, at the end nobody bought it. Even russian companies needs to be "convinced" by the government to buy it.
    There must be a reason for all of this.

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  45. A National Disappointment: What Went Wrong With the Sukhoi Superjet 100

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/13/a-national-disappointment-what-went-wrong-with-the-sukhoi-superjet-100-a65553

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    1. https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/05/21/802108-proizvoditel-ne-reshil

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    2. Nobody cares about old news from last spring, ok ? Old news.
      Sukhoi SuperJet is the right choice for JU and for Srbija.
      Путин already is approving the massive project and there is no room to rely on the weak 737 that will impound on the safety of the citizens.
      I am confident of the Sukhoi project and ASL will help to revive it.
      Good luck Sukhoi & Air Serbia!

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    3. Први пут чујем да Ер Србијини 737-300 имају MCAS проблем :) Лудило, зар су и ти летећи тенкови опасни? Ово руско ботовско навијање за ССЈ је жалосно.

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    4. Жалосно је таман колико и ботовска русофобија са пратећим коментарима. Сви бисмо волели да видимо регионалну флоту састављену од Е195 или А220, једино што нико нема благе везе ко ће и где да нађе паре за то. Потребно је решење које је у домену могућег и то је једини разлог зашто се SSJ100 уопште помиње. Можда ће га Ер Србија испробати, можда неће, али 95% коментара на ову тему су чиста политика и ботовање са обе стране.

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    5. What do you expect, to publish every 2 months article how issues are still not resolved?
      Can you find any article saying that something is resolved on that plane?

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    6. Трагично је када неко напада људе да су руски ботови а да се притом понаша као бот за другу (идеолошку) страну. Што се А220 тиче, нека хвала. То је авион који се још није доказао. Има редовне проблеме са моторима, са софтвером ... нека они прво поправе све проблеме па ћемо разговарати за даље. Ер Србија је до сада водила мудру политику и верујем да ће само проценити шта њима највише одговара, невезано за политику.

      Русија је један од најбитнијих партнера за Србију а увођењем летова као што су Краснодар је само још један добар знак који обећава.

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    7. Da li je sa A220 bilo zrtava u nekom udesu?

      Da li je sa SSJ100 bilo zrtava u nekom udesu?

      Ne, hvala.

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