24+7 is 31, not 34

Hmm I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade but was this what was referred to when the boom was being announced by a few people on this blog? It seems like a lot of Croatian aviation fans will be highly disappointed in the end.
This one weekly service will definitely not help in reaching 8% growth.

"Flights from the Czech capital will operate only once per week, with a Friday evening arrival in Zagreb and a Sunday morning departure back to Prague."

LOL. They begged them and at least obtained that, "ok, we'll give you one weekly flight for two months if you make the handling free for us...". Hilarious. Zagreb's airport impressive growth seems as far away as some distant galaxy. EU didn't help, the French didn't help, new terminal...oh, where is it?

This is instead of an empty ferry flight from PRG to ZAG, very disappointing.

If this is how Czech Airlines "returned to Zagreb" i prefer not to know how the others will.

At least CSA flies into Zagreb, what about your precious Belgrade? Oh wait... nevermind.

JU flies daily, so... still way way better than this

Hahahah yeah, on an Atr! Who wants to sit in that can for over two hours?

With ATR having 66 seats or 462 seats per week, and this plane has 130 seats. So, it is not such a big different. Concerning Air Serbia load factor for sure there is not more than 150 passengers per week from Belgrade.

ATR may not be the most comfortable aircraft on the planet, but even with an ATR cabin load to PRG is daily above 80% which is excellent for a new route.

Also, needless to say that OK operated ATRs to BEG as well and we got 2 daily flights.

So, no need to act like a spoiled brat. Admit the fact that you are wrong and that will be enough ;)

Hm so you are saying that Air Serbia doesn't have more than 12 passengers per flight, that is per segment? lol

Prague is their most successful route.

They are profitable on this flight so LF is not important, because Air Croatia paid it..nicely combined, but shame for Zagreb that they couldn't get more frequencies :/

What makes me wonder is if CSA would even consider coming back to Zagreb if it was not for Air Croatia?
The way some people on here presented it seemed to me as if OK would return with at least three weekly flights.

462-130 = 332
"So, it is not such a big different."
So, the difference is 332 seats. Trying to be right no matter what, is not a good option.

This Croat Serbian competition is becoming VERY boring.

Better get used to it, the Croat Serbian competition will be for the next 100 years, with everything, aviation, football, life, music.. everything :)

Not good, but it's just the way it is and it wont change.

lol, even if there is 30 passengers per flight from BEG, 30*7=210. Still more than ZAG. But I do not want to start a fight over here, I am just responding to Anonymus 9:13 AM .

Pozdrav nacionalno neopterecenima.

Hey everyone - please try to refrain from being mean.
Expectations might have been high for Zagreb - yes. Did Zagreb disappoint so far ? Yes.
However, is it all over ? No. Is Zagreb seeing some progress (compared to last year) ? Yes.
Has Zagreb fiiiiiiiiiiiiinally started to build a long-awaited terminal ? Yes.
So, please give Zagreb a break. No, we won't see a huge growth this year. Will we see it the next year, or when the terminal gets built - who knows ? One thing that is certain is that a steady upgrade and route-built up will be happening...how fast ? hopefully very fast...
I would not say that the new lines for Zagreb in 2014 are a complete fiasco. There are quite several improvements, especially when compared to 2013.
Aside from what Ex Yu has already mentioned, there are couple of more route improvements:
- Vueling starting their summer season flights to Barcelona 1 month earlier
- El Al has added x 1 more weekly flight to Tel Aviv
- Air Croatia seems to have doubled their flights from Gothenborg to Zagreb (as opposed to 1 weekly, now they have x 2 weekly)
- Turkish airlines has added x 7 weekly flights to Istanbul
So, something is happening – for now only with foreign carriers, but still. I wouldn’t say upfront that 8% isn’t achievable ,because summer months could see a bit higher growth than 10% given these new frequencies…and flights.

OT: this is what you get for hesitating and being undecisive.

http://www.aviokarta.net/vesti/2396-air-cairo-dobio-dozvolu-za-redovan-saobracaj-ka-egiptu/

So true....zaostali

Wow, a bunch of 10 year old children discussing who has more passengers!

Only 1 flight, yes, but still better than nothing! Great news for Zagreb, hope LF will be good!

nije se dogodio revolucionarni preokret, ali pomaka ima !

- x 7 KLM (Amsterdam)
- x 2 Vueling (Rome)
- x 2 Germanwings (Hamburg)
- x 7 Turkish (Istanbul)
- x 5 Trade Air (Osijek)
- x 1 Trade Air (rijeka)
- x 2 Croatia (Brussels)
- ukupno 36 rotacija Air Croatia (Gothenborg)
- x 1 CSA (Prag)
- x 1 rotacija više El Al (Tel Aviv)
- 1 mjesec extra - Vueling (Barcelona)
- nekoliko letova extra - Antalya (Onur Air)
- 3 rotacije više Korean (Seol)
- 2 tjedna duža sezona Iberia (Madrid)

Da budemo točniji:

- x 7 KLM (Amsterdam)
- x 2 Vueling (Rome)
- x 2 Germanwings (Hamburg)
- x 7 Turkish (Istanbul)
- x 5 Trade Air (Osijek)
- x 1 Trade Air (rijeka)
- x 1 Croatia (Brussels)
- x 1 Croatia (Zurich)
- x 1 Croatia (Duborvnik)
- x 2 Croatia (Split)
- x 2 Air Croatia (Gothenborg)
- x 1 CSA (Prag)
- x 1 rotacija više El Al (Tel Aviv)
- 1 mjesec extra - Vueling (Barcelona)
- nekoliko letova extra - Antalya (Onur Air)
- 3 rotacije više Korean (Seol)
- 2 tjedna duža sezona Iberia (Madrid)

How iwill Adria do on the Praga route?
just started

The thing is that all those routes didn't manage to bring more than 1-2% growth, actually even a drop occurred...

Anonymous@3:48 PM - the results are not visible yet, because these new routes will be kicking in starting from the beginning of the summer season, March 30th 2014...

so, let's wait until May/June/July and see...

I do not see why people keep on complaining about Serbia-Croatia rivalry. So many countries have it.

Spain-Portugal
France-Germany
Greece-Turkey
Finland-Sweden
Iceland-Denmark

So take a chill pill and take that stick out of your behind.

So we are moving once again the date of the epiphany d-day?

Please can somebody confirm additional flights from Belgrade to Dubrovnik? Many media in Croatia reported this but from the same source so I am not sure is it true. On Air Serbia web page flights are still not loaded into system.

Though I can't confirm them I would just like to say that I really hope it's true. After all, it doesn't make sense for Air Serbia to operate less flights to Dubrovnik than Jat Airways did.
They should launch this flight with one of their B737-300, it would be quite symbolic to have them back here in Dubrovnik!!

Zagreb airport related : Construction works on new terminal are in full swing, over 30 trucks, a dozen large earth moving diggers and bulldozers, over 300 workers have started to work on the site with full steam, 2 large Air force hangers will be terned down by the end of next week, they already started to knocking it down, much of the forest is being cleared, that area was heavily wooded with over 16 acres of thick forest to be cut down, preparation works should be finished by August, with actual construction works starting in September and October, and if weather holds in to November. Actual work on terminal should start in April 2015 with completion by mid 2016, with opening ceremony in late October 2016.

New terminal will be 65000sqm with piers for 10 aircraft positions when completed and max capacity for 8 million pax.





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Is that Egypt where is unsafe for Air Serbia to fly? But still Air Cairo will have 540 seats weekly one way... hahahahahaha... Jatovanje in Air Serbia!

Where will the new terminal at ZAG be located?

hi Aleksandar - it will be located in the north-west area, right where you can see this triangular grass area (to the right off the current terminal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zagreb_Airport_(aerial).JPG

No no my friend. That is not Croatian-Serbian competition. No.

Its IDIOT vs IDIOT competition.
Always was, always will be.

today's trivia: who won in idiot vs idiot fight?

If Jatovanje means having a 77% passenger growth in a single months then I for one certainly do not mind.

That seems like the most logical place for the new terminal, but then I saw this picture:

http://c1038.r38.cf3.rackcdn.com/group1/building4447/media/AEREAL%2001.jpg

It looks like the new terminal will be all the way to the end of the runway (where the air force parking spots are) and there will be some space between the old and new terminal.

I know the answer: IDIOT LOL

what about constant delays ...today is horrible 2-3 hrs on several flights ...even old JAT was more punctual than this new outfit! ZRH one of the best destinations is late every day ... who's going to fly JU if this continues???

Yeah you are right - seems like it'll be covering a bit of both areas...

Well, Air Serbia has been around for about four months and all this time they were supposedly facing horrible delays yet people still keep on flying with them. They are probably doing something right. ;)

Plus, most of the delays today are because of one flight being delayed and then others are foreced to wait for connecting passengers. They have no choice as JU still have maximum two flights a day to most destinations.

...yet both Belgrade and Air Serbia keep on thriving. I do not see what's your point.

I love JU but I am worried once you get the image based on being non punctual there is little you can do to turn that around. Of course they keep flying JU because prices are low and they keep having promotion after promotion. It is just a shame that they have to leave in AM with 20-30 min delays and that accumulates to hours towards the end of the day. Look at AUH; it never leaves without an hour delay ... these pax are loosing connections and the bill comes back to JU....With a bit of discipline this could be fixed in my opinion.

I wonder if there will be any kind of transport system between the two terminals.

sorry - no such thing as the so mentioned "D-day" - just a nice, steady progression of things... hey for the longest time many people had been doubting (even myself wasn't fully convinced) that the new terminal will finally get started. But it has, and it will be the sweet-assed one too ! :) In the long run - a great infrastructural project that will help this traffic built-up progression...

new terminal is being built towards the end of Runway with first exist taxiway marking the position of new platform.


Forest that is there now is being cut, and its being done rather fast,

using wood cutting machines just like this one. Imported from Finland for the task. (All the woods will be used in construction for new terminal, including internal flooring space and shops, what won't be used will be utilized by local firms, mainly for flooring and cladding)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuuPI2hyt6M

They are expected to clear entire land by the end of April with ground works to be completed by the end of June, in July pipes will be laid down for sewage and power/communication/ cables laid down with gas pipes added in August. All the ground works should be completed by the end of October, this includes concrete surface areas for underground sorting facility and underground metro/tram station. Tram station will be extended to terminal 1 eventually, although not 100% sure of that now as there are no direct plans what the Terminal 1 will used for. The French Concessionaire isn't allowed to knock down anything outside its remit for the state owns everything and they're only leasing the facility for 30 years, so French will need to come up with a plan for old terminal, which will remain in service, in what capacity it isn't clear yet.

if weather holds, by late November Underground sorting facility should be fully cowered and works on main ground floor should be in a full swing. In April, fingers (piers on each side of the terminal) and main floor of the terminal will go up with 2nd floor added in June and 3rd in September, with all the works on piers almost done as well. If weather holds than preliminary cover will be up, with glass façade and wavy roof clearly visible, if not than metal construction frame will be up and largely done.

By April 2016 Glass cladding and airport 850x300m platform will be built this should be completed by the end of July. Airport terminal should be fully completed, including all the utility connections by the end of September with new terminal being opened in late October of the same year.

Terminal will have 65000sqm + 10 000 sqm for passenger piers, which will be extended as airport grows, to a total of 87000sqm once completed around 2020. Piers will be extended to 16+4+4 passenger boarding bridges or around 850m with western pier having 4 passenger bridges added in 2025 and eastern pier when airport hits 10~ mill pax.

New terminal once completed with all the extensions will have 15 million pax capacity and spread on 87000sqm.

Old terminal might remain low cost terminal with capacity of 3 million.

No old terminal will be for Croatia Airlines .It will be called the Mickey Mouse Terminal due to their Ceo ( Mr. Kucko ). The king of Mickey Mouse Airline.Nobody takes this Airline serious anymore maybe Walt Disney does.

Of course Jatovanje is not 70% growth, but to say that there are no passengers because political problems and security in Egypt and than other company will have 540 seats per week from BEG to Egypt, that is Jatovanje. Jatovenje is in fact that there are passengers and that this was just unreal "excuse"

It's funny (as in unusual) how close that village is to the ZAG terminal. Is it used mainly by the employee's, or was it there long before the airport was built? Must be noisy there.
Any plans to relocate/disassemble the village?

-- Charlie

Noise? With the Zagreb airport traffic movements you could live next to the runway and still not be too bothered.

Actually man, the d-day was first announced to be Croatia's entry into the EU. We all remember how some people predicted it to be some major moment for ZAG which it wasn't. It was, however, for the coastal airports. Zagreb is the pit of Croatian aviation. They will never see the success the coast sees.

...yet both Belgrade and Air Serbia keep on thriving. I do not see what's your point.

all the villages around runway there are around 4-5 will be cleared once 2nd runway is built, some 400 homes and properties will de demolished, cleared and land re-appropriated by the airport, this won't happen before 2017, around 2020 more likely. Cost of moving 250-300 familes is estimated at around 450-500 million kuna, at this point state has no funds to take over the land, reason why 2nd runway wasn't built so far, but as soon as money is there, land will be cleared of small settlements and most residents need to apply for any construction permits even for roof repairs in area where 2nd runway will be built.

Small homes that are next to the airport on old terminal side will also be cleared as new structures are added, new catering facilities, new airport HQ, 2nd hotel and so on, but these are long term plans, nothing before 2025.

all can be seen in GUP Zagreb plans for the entire area, including 2nd runway, a large cargo terminal and various other facilities airports need.

Excuse me but why do they need a second runway? If Belgrade or Sofia do not need them then why does Zagreb have to have one? I mean, heck, even Gatwick has one. lol

Zagreb airport is not only user of said runway, there's Air Froce there as well, with 12 fighters, 2 transport aircraft, servicing entire fleet of CL415s and frequent NATO operations.

AF needs 2nd runway and 2nd runway was always part of the long term deal.

Old runway will also be resurfaced in 2015 and might be extended a bit (300m) current runway 3250m is sufficient for most aircraft, but to comply with A380 needs runway might be extended, it alredy is 3400m just 3250m is used as a runway extra 150m is unused, but if runway gets resurfaced than they can extended by 100-150m and do a proper 3550m runway.

Thanks for the images!!!! Keep them coming!

Nobody takes the airlines seriously but it still transports more passengers than any other Ex Yu airline with only 12 planes.

@ Anonymous 1040PM.

Any news you come across regarding the construction please continue to post. This information is hard to come by and much appreciated.

Regarding the old terminal, is their enough room for a more advanced cargo facility to be built even if they need to knock down some buildings? At least the ramp space is already there and in a few year probably won't get much use.

@ Anonymous 4:34 am.

Don't hold your breath for a second runway. If anything, this would not happen until at least 2040 if that.

The current runway is more than efficient for Zagreb’s needs now and the foreseeable future. If anything, they might extend the current runway and widen it but that's probably it unless there is an explosion in passenger traffic and Zagreb starts to head towards 10 million pax per year by 2030, then and only then would they start to consider this.

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