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| Air Serbia refutes Croatian TV reports |
Air Serbia has told EX-YU Aviation News it has no immediate plans to launch seasonal flights from Belgrade to the Croatian island of Brač, following a report on the “Regional Journal” program on the country’s national broadcaster “HRT” yesterday, which claimed services would begin as early as May. Speaking to the program, the airport's CEO, Tonči Peović, announced a range of new flights this summer. According to "HRT", Air Serbia would launch services from Belgrade to Brač in May and would operate the route once per week, on Fridays. However, the Serbian carrier has this afternoon told EX-YU Aviation News it does not intend to fly to the island in the near future. The new flights would have been Air Serbia’s fifth destination in Croatia, following Zagreb, Dubrovnik, Split and Pula, with the latter three operating during the summer months only.
Tonči Peović, who ran Dubrovnik Airport for sixteen years from 1993 to 2009, and Zagreb Airport from 2009 until its takeover by the French in 2013, said in September last year that Air Serbia’s arrival would bring not only local tourists to the island but also travellers from further abroad. “We are interested in Belgrade, not just because of Serbian tourists but also because Jat was purchased by Etihad Airways from the Middle East. Jat has ATR 72 aircraft in its fleet, which can land on our runway. In partnership with Etihad, a considerable number of transit passengers could use this route from faraway places such as Dubai, India, South Korea, Australia and Singapore”, Mr. Peović said. Brač is eyeing a busy summer, with the airport’s CEO confirming that Austrian Airlines and Croatia Airlines will boost frequencies on their flights from Vienna and Zagreb respectively. Furthermore, the recently established European Coastal Airlines will also introduce services to the island. The German-based Express Airways, which has been operating on and off since 1998, plans to base a BAe 146 aircraft in Brač this summer and operate flights to “Dortmund, Leipzig, probably Malmo and maybe Zurich”, the airport’s CEO says. Express Airways last attempted to establish a base in Maribor in 2013, without success.
Brač Airport opened on May 22, 1993 and is Croatia’s youngest commercial airport. It has faced financial problems which peaked in 2013 when it was suggested the airport could be closed. Croatia Airlines maintains seasonal flights between Brač and Zagreb, while Austrian Airlines also operates seasonal services to the island from Vienna, Innsbruck and Graz. Brač Airport also enjoys numerous charters during the summer months, however, it is not in use during the winter. In 2013, the airport handled only 9.433 passengers, its lowest in years. During the first ten months of 2014, 9.612 passengers passed through its doors. It’s busiest year was in 1997 when it welcomed 31.634 travellers.
The report airead on "HRT" can be viewed here (in Croatian).
The report airead on "HRT" can be viewed here (in Croatian).
Wut... what's the point of a single weekly flight? They should offer at least two flights! I am still hoping that they will add more frequencies.
ReplyDelete7 days long tourist packages, as I understood, BWK depends on hotels and works in the coordination with them. BTW. Nice to see that BWK becomes a topic on this blog.
DeleteI hope they offer competitive package deals not only for Serbian tourists but also to other Balkan countries as well as Asia.
DeleteAir Serbia can offer, for example, Athens-Belgrade-Brac!!!
If only I could know the reason why Air Serbia isn't expanding their ATR fleet. I would be a very happy man if someone could explain that mystery.
ReplyDeleteAn extra 3 or 4 ATR 72s would help JU get ready for Summer 2015, which will be here very soon.
Atrs are coming, negotiations are underway.
DeleteThey could also get some new CRJ 900 or Fokker 70.. they are better than those ATR 72s...
DeleteNo aircraft can outperform the Atr economics on sectors below 500 nm.
DeleteHope you are not serious about the Fokker 70... Ok plane but certainly an orphan, may not be supported for much longer. Either way, getting them is impossible because only 47 were built, and all are still in use.
DeleteCRJ might be a bit faster than ATR72s, but other than that they are the same, except the ATR is way cheaper to run. Why do you think the ATR is not as good as the F70 or CRJ900?
Well they are faster, easy to handle, quiter and can handle some more passengers.. i loved the look of the old MAT Airwars CRJ 900.. look at the major airlines in europe, many of them use the CRJ
DeleteBringing in a subfleet is expensive, because you need to train crew, which takes time. As well there is no staff at BEG trained to maintain. Not only that, on regional routes it would use alot more fuel than the ATR, and the time saved is barely noticed. As an example, the difference in flying time between BEG and VIE is 10 minutes.
DeleteAir Serbia could easily add also weekly service to Portorož.
ReplyDeleteThe runway is too short, they would need payload restrictions.
DeleteThey operated to POW for a few years recently during the peak summer season, but the 72-200 were payload restricted.
DeleteThe 72-500 should help with payload provided they decide to take the plunge and start flights to POW again.
POW is at sea level (7 ft SL), USS is 1.201 m.
Delete- ATR 72-200 at MTOW SL-ISA is 1.410 m
- ATR 72-210 at MTOW SL-ISA is 1.211 m
- ATR 72-500 at MTOW is SL-ISA is 1.290 m
BEG-POW is approximately 330 Nm
- ATR 72-600 at TOW for 300 Nm SL-ISA is 1.175 m (MTOW is 1.333 m)
As JU ATR 72-500 are with just 66 pax (so it is lighter than MTOW with 70 pax) and as flight is just 330 Nm TOW is OK for 1.201 m. No need for any restriction.
Is there really a market for Portoroz flights? Wouldn't Maribor make more sense?
DeleteMBX or POW are not big markets. But to combine them is different story. For sure VRN, BNX, DBV (because it is near to TIV), BEY, SKG were also questionable didn't they? And those routes are more than OK today. For sure it is more logical to fly to ZAD, OMO, MBX, OHR... than to SKG, BEY, VRN.
DeletePurger, that is true for standard atmosphere. When you add humidity and high temperaturs required takeoff/landing runway lenght can increase way over 1201m. Correct me if I am wrong but JAT used ATR42 on that route in 1990
DeleteIt's actually not more logical because JU is building a true Balkan hub at BEG and for it to become successful in long-term they needed to think outside the box and with it outside of ex-YU.
DeleteAlso, it's not in line with JU's strategy to have triangle flights. They are launching dedicated, direct flights. I am sure all of those destinations will be served directly from BEG at some point.
I was reffering to POW. Maribor could work with 2-3 flights per week
DeleteJAT used to operate this route with an ATR 72-200..
DeleteJat Atr-72
DeleteJAT Atr-42
Purger,
DeleteMTOW is only half the story. POW has some nasty obstacles on one side... don't forget that
I didn't know that, thanks. What kind of obstacles?
DeleteAir Serbia needs 2 more ATR-72 for flights to:
ReplyDeleteBeograd-Brač-Zadar-Beograd
Beograd-Portorož-Maribor-Beograd
Beograd-Mostar-Tuzla-Beograd
Beograd-Rijeka-Beograd
Beograd-Ohrid-Beograd
For that they don't have to buy or lease plane just to use those two from B&H Airlines as they don't know what to do with those two planes.
SJJ-BEG-RJK-BEG-SJJ-BEG-BWK-ZAD-BEG-SJJ
OMO-TZL-BEG-POW-MBX-BEG-OHR-BEG-SOF-BEG-TZL-OMO
On that way they will help also B&H Airlines to survive, as they don't have much chance to do so.
I fear that the triangular flights are out of question as they could never fit into the banks, unless JU decides to operate them during the night which would be catastrophic.
DeleteGiven that they managed to make Banja Luka work, I am sure all of these destinations could work fine as well.
If I were Trade Air I would also offer JU to operate some flights for them.
That is not true. 2nd and 4th wave are 5.20-5.45 hours (7.15-12.35 and 17.00-22.45) and for triangle flight to western destinations you need just
DeleteBEG 0730 - 0900 BWK 0940 - 1020 ZAD 1100 - 1215 BEG
BEG 0715 - 0900 POW 0940 - 1020 MBX 1100 - 1230 BEG
And those flights are shorter than I put here + in triangle flights there is no need for 40 minutes stop, but regular practice is 30 minutes or even less in small airports like BWK, POW, MBX. That makes those flights even shorter and with all possible connections. So I thing more real is
BEG 0740 - 0910 POW 0940 - 1020 MBX 1050 - 1210 BEG
Even OMO-TZL in 3rd wave is not unreal:
BEG 1305 - 1415 OMO - 1445 - 1515 TZL 1545 - 1630 BEG
Those flights would NOT go into that wave but in the 12.15-16.30 one!
Deletewestern destinations (LJU, ZAG...) are in 2nd and 4th wave what is logical as they need more connections to east (SVO, OTP, SOF, ATH, SJJ, SKP etc.) than to west like FRA, VIE, ZRH... deviation west-west is not good enough for via BEG flights and there JU cannot compete OU, OS, LH, LX...
DeleteActually, Air Serbia sees quite a few passengers from ZAG to western Europe. In the end, it's the price that matters.
DeleteI would rather say that OU can't really compete with JU in this regard as it has far less flights to offer.
It depend . In 2nd and 4th wave are not only western destinations,there are also northern destionation like from Scandinavia,Poland..
DeleteThat is way SPU and DBV are in the middle wave. For me is more logical that BWK is the middle one .
It is not about number of flights but ZAG-BEG-AMS-BEG-ZAG cannot compete to ZAG-AMS-ZAG or ZAG-BEG-FRA-BEG-ZAG to ZAG-FRA-ZAG even ZAG-BEG-DUS-BEG-ZAG cannot compete to ZAG-FRA-DUS-FRA-ZAG. And to west you have almost same number of flights on JU and OU. Of course with dumping it can be cheaper enough to attract some passengers via BEG but that makes yield on those connections catastrophic and sooner or latter will make financial problems to JU.
DeleteWhat do you mean that OU and JU have the same number of flights to the West?!
DeleteJU can afford to dump its fares out of Zagreb because it will be just one of many routes that will feed their flights, they can sacrifice 10 seats on those western European flights.
Plus, in the long-term, this dumping will hurt OU more than it will hurt JU.
Some destinations that would make perfect sense with JU's Atr fleet:
Delete- Venice*
- Naples*
- Bratislava
- Cluj Napoca***
- Iasi***
- Lvov, Odessa**
- Chisinau***
- Krakow
* unlikey since the takeover of Alitalia, everything will go through Rome
** unlikely as per the current situation in Ukraine, except perhaps Odessa; fuel is cheap, airlines are leaving Ukraine, it might be a good time for risky moves and positioning one's self in a new market
*** unlikely before the opening of Madrid - 1, and due to partnership with Tarom - 2; although as some person said bellow, those routes would be much more profitable and perspective than small Croatian islands
That only leaves us with Bratislava (FlyDubai recently opened it), Krakow and perhaps Odessa.
AMS 7x OU, 10x JU
DeleteBLQ 3x OU, 0x JU
TXL 0x OU, 7x JU
BRU 11x OU, 3x JU
CPH 6x OU, 7x JU
DUS 0x OU, 7x JU
FRA 33x OU, 7x JU
LIS 3x OU, 0x JU
LHR 9x OU, 7x JU
MXP 0x OU, 7x JU
MUC 34x OU, 0x JU
PRG 0x OU, 10x JU
CDG 14x OU, 14x JU
FCO 7x OU, 9x JU
ARN 0x OU, 7x JU
STR 0x OU, 7x JU
VIE 33x OU, 7x JU
WAW 0x OU, 6x JU
ZRH 14x OU, 14x JU
OU 12 destinations 174 weekly flights
JU 16 destinations 129 weekly flights
It is not just about dumping it is also about deviation which makes those flights more expensive and yield even lower.
BRU 11x OU, 3x JU ? JU has 7
DeleteVIE 33x OU, 7x JU ? JU has 14
Majority of OU western destination are FRA,MUX,VIE (100 weekly) . If you remove this destination then situation are totaly diffrent ,
Wut? LIS 3x OU, 0x JU? Are we counting code-share flights as well?
DeleteYeah, i was shocked to see that as well. They're barely feeding VIE, MUC and FRA. Much worse than i thought!
DeleteAir Serbia also has more capacity to Western Europe.
DeleteSorry about those mistakes. BRU is lapsus, my mistake, VIE is mistake in BEG time-table. I check several times because I was sure it is 14 flights. Even with those 11 extra flights there are more flights from ZAG to west and north than from BEG.
DeleteOf course I calculate code-share. Passengers don't care and in most cases even don't know that it is not OU metal but other company if ticket was bought on OU web-page or office. When I use for example ZAG-MUC route I personally don't care if that is OU or LH metal.
With 4 more routes you cannot say that "it is just Lufty hubs", it is not that big difference. It is like I say that JU fly only to Etihad hubs because of flights to TXL, DUS, ZRH, MPX, FCO and AUH. Of course it is far away from truth. OU is in Star Alliance and there are benefits in those huge connection to Star Alliance hubs from ZAG (from summer 5 daily to VIE, 4 to MUC, 4 to FRA, 3 to ZRH, 3 to BRU, 2,5 to IST and flights from ZAD, PUY, DBV, SPU to VIE, ZRH, MUC and FRA), but there are also flights to LHR, LGW, MAN, BCN, LIS, DUS, TXL, CDG, LYS, AMS, CPH, FCO, BLQ, VCE, SKP, SJJ, PRN, BEG, ATH and TLV which for sure are not "Lufty hubs".
Then if we are counting the code-shares the situation is quite different.
DeleteJU on AB:
TXL-HEL 7
TXL-OSL 7
DUS-PMI 7
VIE-HAJ 7
If I am not mistaken JU also offers DUS and STR from VIE through AB.
JU on AZ
BEG-FCO Around 12 flights, can't remember now.
JU on EY Regional
7 weekly flights to Lugano
So when you add the code-shares the number comes out much greater.
Of course it is not same to have code-share from BEG or ZAG or those which are via some other hub where you have to transit. In that case Croatia by code-share has several hundreds more flights (BGO via CPH 5x, TXL via MUC 14x, CPH via FRA, MUC and ZRH 28x, DUS via FRA and MUC 35x, GDN via CPH 5x, GVA via ZRH 14x, GOT via CPH 5x, HAM via MUC 14x, HEL via CPH 6x, LIS via FRA 14x, OSL via ZRH, CPH, VIE, FRA 23x, PRG via VIE 14x, SVG via CPH 5x, ARN via VIE, ZRH, CPH, FRA 30x, TRD via CPH 5x, VNO via CPH 5…). Original discussion was about deviation via BEG from ZAG to west Europe by JU in competition to direct OU flights from ZAG. It is not about "whose is bigger".
DeleteThere is no discussion who is bigger, Air Serbia is an end of discussion.
DeletePleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease keep DBV or SPU all year!
ReplyDeleteLepa vest za jos jednu destinaciju koja, ako me secanje sluzi. nikada nije postojala. Let Beograd, Brac verujem da ce biti servis niske frekfrencije. Letovi podeseni za pakete odmora, ove sekundarne destinacije.
ReplyDeleteNadam se da Er Srbija naporno radi na povecanju sekundarrne flote za opsluzivanje 10 do 12 bliskih destinacija.Turbopropi izmedju 50 i 8o sedista sa ekonomicnoscu, letovima oko stotak minuta su odgovor za exselentnu komunikaciju u krugu od 750 + km. od Beograda.. Drugi dan je Bozica. Ocekivanja objave pocetka nove sezone, novih dogovora, obnove flote kroz nove dilove. Implementacije novih letova.kratkhi i dugih, potvrdice potencijal tima Er Srbije, koji materjalizuje uporno biznis, a poziciju vazdusne luke Beograda postavlja na mesto koje nikada nije bila. Bar sto se vazdusnog transporta tice. Aerodrom Beograd, bolje reci Vlada Srbije mora biti veoma i vrlo ekspiditivna u prosirenju aerodroma Beograd. Bog je podario mesto izmedu Save i Dunava, pa zar mi ljudi nismo duzni uloziti sve napore za ostvarenje dobra koje nam je podareno!. Razvoj, napredak, prvenstveno zavisi od ozbiljnih ljudi koji odlucuju u kreiranju i ostvarenju pristojnog zivota. Vlada im plebiscitarnu podrsku, a ljudi imaju odgovornost, upornost I velikirad. Ne znojav, vec promisljen, efikasan. Sa nadom u dobro i zeljom za ostvarenje.
Rodney & Son. Kraljevo *** Sydney.
Radovane, Bog nam je podario ceo svet, ne samo 'mesto između Save i Dunava.' Nismo mi Božiji narod, pa to je uvreda za sve druge narode koji ja Bog stvorio. Pa Bog ja podario ceo svet svim narodima. Zašto mislite da Bog posebno gleda 'naš' deo sveta kao nešto posebno? I moliću Vas da ne koristite, the Lords name in vain. Bog ima veče brige nego šta se dešava sa aviacijom na Balkanu.
DeletePozdrav svim ljudima dobre i loše volje.
Postovani Anon. at 3:25 PM,
DeleteZdovoljan sam sto u Vasoj zamerci na moj tekst se odnosi samo na deo gde sam napisao "Bog je podario mesto mesto izmedju Save i Dunava, pa zar mi ljudi nismo duzni uloziti sve napore za ostvaranje dobra koje nam je podareno... Drugim recima gde se Beogradski aerodrom nalazi. Pozicija je zaista, zaista Bozanstvena. Slazem se sa Vama da je Bog podario ceo svet, pa shodno tome i mesto izmedju dveju pomenutih reka.Takvih pozicija u svetu nema previse. Ima boljih pozicija kao Singapur, Panama, Suec... To kao ni ostali deo teksta niste mi osporili. Sto kazete da nismo "nebeski narod", to nemoze ni biti, bar dok smo u telu. Za kasnije kako se slobodnom voljom prihvati to neka mu i bude... Sto se men tice preletevsi vise od 4000 sati, a vise od 20 puta obleteh zemlju, pa figurativno mogu reci da da ljudi (narod) koji lete avionima su "nebeski narod"(ljudi). Drugog naroda nepoznajem da je "nebeski"... Nigde u mojem tekstu nisam napiso rec Lord, jer sam napisao na Srpskom, pa bih napisao Gospode Boze... da jesam. Kako kazete "Bog ima vece brige nego sta se desava sa aviaciom na Balkanu", Bog u kog verujem je Ljubav i Promisao. Taj koga Vi pominjete "da ima vece brige" , I dont care-nije me briga. Vama sa sve ljudi dobre i lose volje svako dobro u svemu.
Do sledeceg leta u pravcu Sidneja sa krilima AIR SERBIA, Srdacno iz Kraljeva, Radovan.
But SPU is close to Brač anyway, right?
ReplyDeleteMaybe those heading to smaller places around Croatia can fly into Bol and then those who are going to Split to have them go to SPU.
Delete50 minutes by boat from Supetar to Split.
DeleteBEG December numbers:
ReplyDelete326.893 passengers, +22%.
In 2014 the airport handled 4.638.577 passengers which is an increase of 31%!
Just to add, last year they airport handled 3.543.194 passengers.
DeleteI would also like to add that cargo growth was really impressive!
DeleteIn 2014 it grew by 33%, from 7.679.026 kilos in 2013 to 10.222.279 kilos in 2014!
Also worth mentioning that this 22% increase relates to Dec2014 that was the second month of the 'ASL era' and as such had 23% increase compared to Dec2013.
DeleteWith the upcoming ASL frequency increase and a few new routes in 2015, BEG could easily maintain its growth above 20%.
That's wuite ridicolous.
DeleteI am sure you can elaborate on why you think it is ridiculous?
DeleteBelgrade airport 2014 handled 4.638.577
ReplyDeleteI think that i't much wiser for Air Serbia to concentrate on secondary Romanian cities rather than these small, insignificant airports (Bol, Portoroz, Ohrid, Maribor)...
ReplyDeleteI agree that secondary romanian cities could bring some transfer passangers but it would be a direct attack on tarom's marker
DeleteDue to Romania's geography they would not compete for western European passengers that much since OTP is locate all the way in the south.
DeleteWhich would those be?
DeleteO&D passengers between secondary Romanian cities and Belgrade equal zero...
Many of those airports have either Wizz or Tarom or Blue air...
Also, what Romanians would like to have is at least a direct link to places where their diaspora is mostly concetrated in: England, Spain, a lot of Italian cities (not just Milan and Rome).
Air Serbia cannot offer those.
So, I think that if Air Serbia wants to expand, it would be nice if it would be (as planned)
Kiev and Cairo.
Why? Because Kyiv and Cairo passengers do not want direct flights to where their diaspora is?!
DeleteAccording to your logic JU should only concentrate on p2p passengers. Silly.
Agreed. Why not Air Serbia to transfer pax from Western Romania via BEG to Western and Northern Europe? If they can do is better than LH, Austrian, Swiss etc.
Delete@3:53
DeleteSorry, it's Kiev, will you ever learn to spell it correctly?
Some destinations that would make perfect sense with JU's Atr fleet:
Delete- Venice*
- Naples*
- Bratislava
- Cluj Napoca***
- Iasi***
- Lvov, Odessa**
- Chisinau***
- Krakow
* unlikey since the takeover of Alitalia, everything will go through Rome
** unlikely as per the current situation in Ukraine, except perhaps Odessa; fuel is cheap, airlines are leaving Ukraine, it might be a good time for risky moves and positioning one's self in a new market
*** unlikely before the opening of Madrid - 1, and due to partnership with Tarom - 2; although as some person above mentioned, those routes would be much more profitable and perspective than small Croatian islands
That only leaves us with Bratislava (FlyDubai recently opened it), Krakow and perhaps Odessa.
Stop spamming your posts.
DeleteThe problem here is that at the moment we have some ignorant person who tries to create arguments by using the name of Kiev that means the same to many Ukrainian people as FYROM to Macedonia, which is blatantly taking part of one side of the conflict. So i suggest we stick to the international version which is Kiev.
Deletehttp://www.airserbia.com/en/news/air-serbia-announces-promotional-fares-for-six-new-routes
What are you crying so much about? The first post was posted in the wrong section and the mod is free to delete it.
DeleteVećinu postova ovdje napisao je isti čovjek.
DeleteAerologic, I completely agree with you about what you wrote concerning the destinations. Air Serbia needs to expand the network, and new ATR routes are by far the least investment and risk. Perhaps some more routes in Austria should be added to your list, such as Graz or Innsbruck.
DeleteYes, i thought the same, but the INN's proximity to Munich and Graz's to Vienna made me conclude otherwise and omit them from the ultimate list.
Delete3:49 PM and 4:28 PM is not the same guy. I am not a Croat, I am a Serb. I wrote at 3:49.
DeleteOkay, I missed Cluj, Cluj would maybe be better.
About Cairo and Kiev... Those are airports that have enough passengers and their "diaspora zones"are ones that Air Serbia could cover. Same thing as Beirut... The airport already has over six million pax. If u pinch at least a small piece of it, you still have a lot of passengers, that you can funnel to Paris and Scandinavia.
Why? Because the market is already huge and developed.
I.e i see them rather launching Munich with A319 than Insbruck with Atr.
Delete@Aerologic
DeleteYes, i thought the same, but the INN's proximity to Munich...
I think INN's proximity to INN-NS is a greater concern than INN's proximity to MUC.
I see MUC being a mix between morning and evening depatures.
DeleteSomething that JU needs to work on is the middnight departure wave to connect to the early morning wave in BEG. Purger made an excellent comment about JU removing half the flights from this wave back some time ago. SKP must go back to double daily. ZAG could by the end of the year go 3 daily with a middnight departure ex BEG. CAI i see going into the middnight wave. TLV should as well move to the middnight wave as well.
As for regional routes, OMO would be a great route to open due to interests from foreigners visiting the region, as well as I am sure JU could attract O&D pax, cargo between the 2 as well as Bosnian diaspora. Another 2 I would add is PRN and OHD.
As for INI, it should go double daily with max connections especially if JU are considering transatlantic. Something for the end of the year.
Ne znam zasto i dalje ignorisu INN kad bi imali vecu sansu negu u MUC.
DeleteINN-NS
No one is ignoring INN.
DeleteI just don´t get it.. They will fly Brac airport, and they are flying ZAG with aprox. LF of 20 to 30 PAX per flight more or less, and they dont fly Nis (which btw has aprox. 50 pax per flight on MGX flight to Podgorica). I think that having flight from INI with one of their AT72 to VIE or ZRH is more rentable than Brac, Maribor or any other ex yu secondary airport
ReplyDeletePlease, tell me how do you know that LF on flights BEG-ZAG-BEG is 20-30 PAX?
DeleteAnd btw, ASL will never fly from INI except maybe from BEG. They probably would have to base some of their ATRs at INI to fly from there to VIE or ZRH, and with fleet shortage faced now, that is just a stupid move. Maybe they will launch flights BEG-INI-BEG, but that's all you can expect.
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+1 Anonymous 1:47
DeleteAbsolutely disagree with fleet shortage blsht!
ZAG flights doesn´t goes well, and everyone knows it. Making the ¨HUB´ of Belgrade with an airline that have fleet shortage is just insane. Passengers loosing more than half of the connection flights. I agree that one aircraft should be flying to/from Nis, as LOT, TAROM, CSA, Croatia Airlines, OLYMPIC, Air BULGARIA, Montenegro, B&H Airlines and many other airlines DO! AS=National airline NOT Belgrade Airline!
Didn't know all those airlines are flying to/from Nis, have to catch up on new route listings...
DeleteYou can bet your a** that Kraljevo Morava Airport would be next in line to ask for flights. Hey, they have brand new terminal unlike Nis! Wizz approach has more sense for Nis.
I think he meant to say that those airlines have domestic flights, which a poor argument because of the geography and size of those countries compared to Serbia. Belgrade is very central and serves the country very well. Only the South of Serbia is too far from Belgrade, and soon Wizz will start operating from Niš so that problem will be solved.
DeleteAir Serbia actually has a pretty serious fleet shortage, especially with ATRs. They are flying 733s to regional destinations such as Ljubljana because of it.
Talking of the fleet shortage, tomorrow all 737 will be in operation again, just like in the good old days. Such a shame. I have nothing against those birds but it reflects a major organizational dysfunction within Air Serbia.
Delete@8:07
DeleteAre you actually aware of wtf did you wrote??!
First of all- ASL won't start flights from Nis to abroad, that is already confirmed. The only flights from INI which you can expect are to BEG.
Second- ASL WANTS TO BUILD HUB AT BEG. That is their priority. An airline can operate much better when it concentrates at 2 or 3 destinations rather than 10. Just look at Lufthansa for example. The biggest airline in Europe. It has it's bases at Frankfurt and Munich. Two cities. Fleet: more than 270 airplanes.
Still, it's Germany's national airline, not FRA-MUC Airlines.
Btw I'll give you some facts here:
1. EVERY SINGLE AIRLINE that tried to fly from INI has suspended it's flights soon after launching them. YM was there some time, but then they left from INI as well. That says enough.
2. ASL IS FACING with fleet shortage right now. So, moving an ATR to INI is absolutely not a good idea.
I agree that ASL could launch flights from BEG to INI, because there are some passengers who have to travel from southern Serbia to Belgrade to fly from there. But I have to admit that even that is not so necessary. Look at Hungary. The only airport that has flights every day is BUD and there are some flights by Wizz Air from DEB, I am not sure if they are every day. Most of pax from BUD are O&D passengers. That means people from other cities in Hungary come to Budapest to fly somewhere. Roads are better, railways are better, I mean people from other cities are better connected with Budapest. There are no domestic flights. But I guess it's much appropriate to inaugurate flights between BEG and INI than structuring roads and railways.
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OT: Does anyone knows anything about BWA. Was it today that their A321 is supposed to land at SJJ. I see nothing on their website.
ReplyDeletehttp://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/p/besides-services-from-bosnia-and.html
DeleteOK but article mentions media event and arrival of the plane on Jan 8 (today) with the flights starting Jan 9 (tomorrow). Plane (F-GYAN) landed in GOT this morning according to FR24 and is still there.No word on SJJ FB page, or site or anywhere else of any media event etc.
DeleteSRETNI SMO!
DeleteBosnian Wand Airlines organizuje povodom dolaska aviona 8. januara 2015. prijem za predstavnike medija, aerodromskih službi i putničkih agencija na Međunarodnom aerodromu Sarajevo. Za sve uposlenike kompanije ovo je veliki događaj. Marljivo radimo, trudimo se, borimo se, imamo ciljeve i priželjkujemo da nas uz sve to sreća prati na našem putu stvaranja prepoznatljivog bh. brenda na avijacijskom tržištu. Hvala svim ljudima koji nam pružaju podršku!
BWA fb page
Štapić upravo sletio u Sarajevo bolan!
DeleteMy favourite exotic Bosnian airline is still BH airline and no wands can change my mind thank you very much!
DeleteZanima me dali bi vec ovo leto EY mogao da salje A332 ili 77W nekim danima zato sto je ASL sad dobro povezana sa hrvatskim/ crnogorskim primorijem.
ReplyDeleteBice ovo zanimljiva letnja sezona posto ce biti i prinove u Floti.
INN-NS
Као прво, уопште је питање ако ће се Етихад вратити у Београд јер им овако више одговара. Док је ЈУ А319 доле у пустињи може да одради који лет за њих и тако им попуни који рупу.
DeleteДруго, хрватско приморије није довољно да би напунио А330 за Абу Даби. Реелније је да вечерњи ЈУ лет постане А320 па тек онда да се види даље како и шта.
BEG
DeleteSlazem se sa vama zato ce doci jos 319 u ASL .
Ali ja mislim da bi nekim danima leti cak mogao da se napuni 77W za BEG zbog velike diaspore u AUS i koliko ce turista leteti sa EY do BEG pa dalje na hrvatsko/ crnogorsko primorijem.
INN-NS
U pravu je INN-NS, EY bi mogao da salje 77W nekim danima. Kao sto je bilo bolje kad su A319 prebacili sa A6 na YU registraciju tako bi mogli da urade i sa 77W. Ovako ce izgledati 77W u ASL bojama:
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Looks good but that type is highly unlikely, i see more the A330-300 joining the fleet.
DeleteЈош није постигнут договор око изнајмљивања додатних А319 тако да за сада ништа од њих. Надајмо се најбољем и да ће нешто избургијати до летње сезоне.
DeleteШто се тиче Б773, Аустралија је мали фактор јер Емирати држе 60% путника између ова два тржишта. Етихад и Катар купе мрве. Етихад углавном превози путнике за Индију, Кину као и Тајланд.
Као што сам већ рекао, реалније је да оба лета прво добију А320 па тек онда нешто веће. За сада нема никаквих планова да се шаље било шта веће од А320.
I disagree, 77W could also help ASL with flights to the USA. This is where A330-300 is not good because West coast is too far for A333, but with 77W ASL can fly LYBE-KLAX direct!
DeleteImagine morning coffee with Jelena Karleusa in Belgrade and evening cocktail with Kim Kardashian in Los Angeles!
^HAHAHAHHA
DeleteI guess that role will go to Alitalia, where they already fly on the seasonal level.
DeleteWhat i do wonder is whether AI will launch Mexico and whether EY will launch EZE now they have a full code-share agreement with AR on many South American routes (but taking them from GRU instead).
I suppose you mean AZ.
DeleteAZ - correct, thank you.
DeleteOT:
DeleteZAG:
12/2013: 149.752
12/2014: 163.830, + 9,4%
2013: 2.300.231
2014: 2.430.971, + 5.68%
Ah so they fell short of the expected 8% growth. Still, it's very good growth given the number of airlines which recently launched flights. Do you have the aircraft movement numbers?
DeleteZagreb fail
DeleteSo basically we have come to:
DeleteZAG+ZAG=BEG.
Let's hope this growth continues because Tallinn might catch up to ZAG next year. In 2014 TLL welcomed 2.017.000 passengers.
Delete+1
DeleteThe cargo growth at BEG in December was 95%!!!
DeleteEY should be back with a larger a/c, most likely A320, maybe A321. Anything larger is not needed. Maybe August and September they could use the A330 or B787 but I doubt they will send it.
DeletePeople like @INN saying that EY should send a B77W to BEG is talking nonsense. The most stupidest thing I have heard. I have flown this routes ALOT of times. The EY flights fill all the time, JU not as good, but is still ok and I have seen the JU flights full.
EY's return to BEG is not a priority due to the airline's fleet shortage. They are not rushing to return since JU can handle the double daily flights.
DeleteThe cargo growth at BEG in December was 95%!!!
DeleteYes, that actually mean it dropped by 5%. It was not 195%,
"B77W to BEG is talking nonsense. The most stupidest thing I have heard."
DeleteAre you a gambling man, JATBEGMEL? I'll see your 77W and raise you A380!
Why are you playing dumb? It is 95% growth or 195 index if you prefer.
DeleteIt is actually growth of 95%.
DeleteThere was a week in December when there was a lot of 747 freighters coming from UAE and going to Cameroon for some reason.
BEG
DeleteJa sam cuo da ce doci 2 EY A319 i da ce zadrzati livery od EY i da ce doci jos 2 ali oni ce imati ASL livery.
Ako EK drzi 60 % prema AUS ja se nadam da oni zamene FZ na liniji za DXB sa 332 ILI 77W.
Dobar je predlog da EY leti sa 77W OMAA-LYBE-KLAX samo ne znam dali bi pristali posto to steti ipak njihovom ugledu.
JATBEGMEL
Posto ja pisem gluposti sto me ne zaobidjete ?
Bilo bi zanimljivo da EK cargo uspostavi 1 mesecno cargo let sa 777F.
Jel ima nek ostrucan iz te oblasti da mi kaze dali je to realno
Hvala unapred :)
INN-NS
Није реално зато што Београд нема константну потражњу за авиокаргом.
Delete@INN
Deletewhy dont you refrain from commenting like you promised?
AUH-BEG-LAX isnt going to happen because the flight has been precleared in AUH meaning that the arrival into LAX isnt subject to customs, where as BEG doesnt have US preclearance facility.
BEG and OTP should be the next 2 destinations in Europe for EK, both with A330. EY will come back to BEG with its own a/c and a bigger one than the A319.
As for EK cargo, 3 charter flights doesnt mean that now they should offer a regular service. Silkway has come many more times with their B744 but I dont see a regular link with them. If we are going to talk on dreams, lets not stop there and go on with talk on unicorns and gumdrop forests in Zlatibor that will attract millions of tourists. All this talk reminds me of the reason why Serbia should be renamed Svemirdon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNBdPPeuMCs
Ja nevidim nista lose u mojim gornjim kometarima poato su to samo moje zelje.
DeleteA kad bi trebao to da krene EK da leti za BEG sa A332
Hvala unapred.
INN-NS
Im not sure when EK will start flying to BEG but they have been looking into it for a few years now. The latest rumour I heard was it will be announced in March but I doubt it. I did say over a year ago that EK will launch OSL, BRU, BUD, OTP and BEG and so far 3 have been announced and started. BUD loads are going good btw. There was a schedule leak from inside EK on OTP flights a few months back, which I think will be the next destination to be announced.
DeleteRumour is that EY will transfer A6-EID and A6-EIE to JU but lets see. The config is much different to that in JU and both a/c have IFE systems. The A6 registrations may create trouble for JU once again like before with Germany not allowing A6 registered a/c to fly on JU flights to German cities. Both JU and EY have healthy loads between BEG and AUH, with the EY loads being better, and the use of JU A319 on the route adds capacity by around 30 seats, which again is filling up. If EK does announce BEG itll be with the A330 which has the WORST product of EK, meaning EY will need to step up, leading me to believe they will send either the A330 or B787 to BEG. QR loads from BEG are terrible and FZ hasnt increased frequencies in 3 years, with the loads being so so.
As for JU being able to do the double daily to AUH, its not true. JU has a fleet shortage as well and if they are going to increase flights from BEG then they are going to need the aircraft in BEG, not in AUH. IF EY will pull out of BEG and allow JU to operate both frequencies, I see it will be with a widebody (A330) which will then operate on behalf of EY to another destination from AUH just like with AB and HM now.
Listen up experts:
Delete- Emirates are not starting BEG this year
- EY is purging A319 from fleet, so it's easy to figure out consequences
- EY is not going to schedule its widebodies to BEG in 2015
- Air Serbia is not looking to get 777
Of course Air Serbia won't get 777s, their fleet will be full of A380s! ;D
DeleteBut yeah, JU/EY can increase capacity a lot on BEG-AUH without upgrading to widebodies, such as moving up to A320s or A321s.
@3:17
DeleteAre you just an stupid hater or I guess you could give me your sources?
:D
@ anonymous 3:17
DeleteEY will replace the 2 A319 with additional A320 so there wont be consequences. I didnt say that they will send a widebody to BEG, but its could.
As for EK not coming to BEG, theyve been looking into it for a few years now, and the destinations I said they will open have so far opened. Whats your source?
B&H has had many cancelations in BEG these days. Any ideas?
ReplyDeleteFog in SJJ.
DeleteWhat fog? No single flight has been canceled due to fog at SJJ in weeks!
DeleteTypo, a instead of o
DeleteХахаха
DeleteMy experience on (attempted) code-share JA/JU flight from Sarajevo to Belgrade on January 7 at 6:00 am:
Delete- Booked a return BEG-SJJ-BEG flight with return from SJJ to BEG on 7JAN flight JU8433 (code share with JA operated flight 376). Ticketed on JU stock (115)
- Checked the flight status the night before and it showed that the flight was on time. sjj.aero does not show flight of the following day.
- Woke up at 4:20, checked the sjj.aero site and realized that the flight was cancelled.
- Headed to the airport, arrived at the entry gate at 4:50 by taxi. The gate was closed until 5 am as the Airport opens at that time.
- Air Serbia office was closed, indicating opening at 8:30
- BH Airlines (JA) office opened at 5:00. Airport information system did not work. There were 2 passengers flying SJJ-BEG only (one of them me) and several continuing to Australia via BEG and AUH.
- When I asked JA sales rep if they could change my ticket to reach Belgrade that morning via ZAG (OU+JU) he responded that he had nothing to do with me as my ticket was on JU flight number and stock, and told me to contact Air Serbia. His attitude was not friendly at all, I would say he was rude and disengaged. When I mentioned that the flight was not showing cancelled status at Amadeus he arrogantly responded to me that I did not know what I was talking about. The same answer was given to all other passengers.
- I called Air Serbia call center in Belgrade and the automated message kept saying that all operators were busy. After three attempts, each lasting 5 mins, I decided to check the opening hours of the call centre at JU web-site. Then I realized that the call centre only opens at 7.
- Then I decided to send e-mail to the JU e-commerce which sent my ticket online asking to rebook me for the afternoon JU flight from SJJ to BEG.
- I stayed at the airport until 7 am when call center in Belgrade opened. The call center operator told me that reservation was already made for the afternoon flight but that he could not change my ticked because the JA376 flight (the original one that morning) was not showing cancelled. I told him that both BEG and SJJ web-sites showed it cancelled and that he seemed the only one not knowing it. The operator promised to call me back.
- I returned home to catch some sleep knowing that before 8:30 it was not likely to achieve anything.
- At 8:15 am, call centre operator called me to tell me that the Airport JU office will change my ticket for the afternoon flight. I finally got my flight confirmed and ticket re-issued by the JU Airport office at SJJ after I called them at aprox. 9 am.
- Bottom line: JA decided to cancel SJJ-BEG flight most likely because they had two flights scheduled that morning (another one SJJ-BNX-ZRH at 7:30) while having only one airplane. JA did not care about JU passengers booked on that flight. JU accepted to code-share with JA knowing that it is highly unreliable. No support for the flight and JU passengers between 5:00 am and 8:30 am was offered by JU.
Recommendations:
- Air Serbia should seriously re-consider its decision to code share with BH Airlines on this flight since its image is completely outside of its control.
- Alternatively JU could provide some sort of the support before and at the time of JA code-share flight.
- During its call centre off hours the automated message should inform that the call center is not operational and indicate operational hours instead repeating that "all operators are busy".
flightradar24 and BEG airport web site are showing that tomorrow's flight JA376 is also CANCELED
DeleteVi gospodine ste samo hejter. Dobili ste novu kartu i što sad ima da se bunite. Ovde samo mrze Er Serbiju. Nije problem Air Serbie što BiH Erlajnz ne leti. A što bi trebalo, da šalter Er Serbije ili kol centar radi samo za vas i ovih dva druga putnika.
DeleteAir Serbia's call center MUST start working round the clock, it's inacceptable for an airline that work in time zones such as those in UAE or Lebanon, let alone the region.
DeleteHe's not hating Air Serbia at all, he's talking about B&H airlines, if you can even call them an airline.
DeleteIf that is the true what business JU has to work with such a non-airline?
DeleteWhen you have company to fly for you than you have to guarantee for that. One more time, guy bought ticket with Air Serbia. It is responsibility of Air Serbia.
B&H Airlines is unstable company Air Serbia should not work with them. But even if they want to work with them they must have support for passengers especially when they know they have problem partner. But that is not first time that they don’t care about passengers. Podgorica example, Dusseldorf/Cologne, example from Athens and missing connections several days ago, leaving passengers in plane for one hour without any information…
B&H airlines call center is open 24/7:
Delete- 24 days a month
- 7 months a year
I agree about the JU call center. It must be open 24/7. They should hire more staff for the call center as waiting on hold for 45+ minutes calling Belgrade from a foreign city is not cheap. It gets frustrating calling several times because the line cuts off.
DeleteThe JU website also lists the EY call center for Abu Dhabi, who btw dont handle issues with Air Serbia. Jat had an office in Dubai but its not working for Air Serbia, which is disappointing.
OT
ReplyDeleteCzech Airlines Cargo cancelled their AT72F ops PRG-BEG-SOF-PRG. For a testing period they will run trucks as OK 8227 1-2 x weekly BEG-PRG ETD 1500h and Wed/Fridays. OK finished their ACMI lease agreement with Farnair and returned the A72F
Lufthansa does the same with their cargo 'flights' from Vienna.
DeleteJa cesto vidjam u Novom Sadu kad sam prikolicu LH cargo.
DeleteINN-NS
OT for Ex Yu:
ReplyDeleteInterSky will start seasonal flights to PUY from St. Gallen Airport (Altenrhein), once a week from 23/05/2015.
http://www.flyintersky.com/en/destinations/pula
FYI
ReplyDeleteBeirut departed and returned to Belgrade on time.
hahaha lets take a note of this historic day and open a bottle of champagne :D The impossible has happened :D
DeleteWhere is 'Pozdrav iz Rijeke'?
ReplyDeleteHe always had sensible comments
To avoid further power outages, BEG needs to add Power Plant to the wish list (third terminal, hotel, second runway etc) if they are serious about being 5 million + regional hub in 2015.
ReplyDelete7:03 PM Air Serbia has 13 planes in the air - 12 of its own flifgts and EY 388 AUH->MCT operated by Air Serbia.
ReplyDeleteMy experience on (attempted) code-share JA/JU flight from Sarajevo to Belgrade on January 7 at 6:00 am:
ReplyDelete- Booked a return BEG-SJJ-BEG flight with return from SJJ to BEG on 7JAN flight JU8433 (code share with JA operated flight 376). Ticketed on JU stock (115)
- Checked the flight status the night before and it showed that the flight was on time. sjj.aero does not show flight of the following day.
- Woke up at 4:20, checked the sjj.aero site and realized that the flight was cancelled.
- Headed to the airport, arrived at the entry gate at 4:50 by taxi. The gate was closed until 5 am as the Airport opens at that time.
- Air Serbia office was closed, indicating opening at 8:30
- BH Airlines (JA) office opened at 5:00. Airport information system did not work. There were 2 passengers flying SJJ-BEG only (one of them me) and several continuing to Australia via BEG and AUH.
- When I asked JA sales rep if they could change my ticket to reach Belgrade that morning via ZAG (OU+JU) he responded that he had nothing to do with me as my ticket was on JU flight number and stock, and told me to contact Air Serbia. His attitude was not friendly at all, I would say he was rude and disengaged. When I mentioned that the flight was not showing cancelled status at Amadeus he arrogantly responded to me that I did not know what I was talking about. The same answer was given to all other passengers.
- I called Air Serbia call center in Belgrade and the automated message kept saying that all operators were busy. After two attempted, each lasting 5 mins, I decided to check the opening hours of the call centre at JU web-site. Then I realized that the call centre only opens at 7.
- Then I decided to send e-mail to the JU e-commerce which sent my ticket online asking to rebook me for the afternoon JU flight from SJJ to BEG.
- I stayed at the airport until 7 am when call center in Belgrade opened. The call center operator told me that reservation was already made for the afternoon flight but that he could not change my ticked because the JA376 flight (the original one that morning) was not showing cancelled. I told him that both BEG and SJJ web-sites showed it cancelled and that he seemed the only one not knowing it. The operator promised to call me back.
- I returned home to catch some sleep knowing that before 8:30 it was not likely to achieve anything.
- At 8:15 am, call centre operator called me to tell me that the Airport JU office will change my ticket for the afternoon flight. I finally got my flight confirmed and ticket re-issued by the JU Airport office at SJJ after I called them at aprox. 9 am.
- Bottom line: JA decided to cancel SJJ-BEG flight most likely because they had two flights scheduled that morning (another one SJJ-BNX-ZRH at 7:30) while having only one airplane. JA did not care about JU passengers booked on that flight. JU accepted to code-share with JA knowing that it is highly unreliable. No support for the flight and JU passengers between 5:00 am and 8:30 am was offered by JU.
Recommendations:
- Air Serbia should seriously re-consider its decision to code share with BH Airlines on this flight since its image is completely outside of its control.
- Alternatively JU could provide some sort of the support before and at the time of JA code-share flight.
- During its call centre off hours the automated message should inform that the call center is not operational and indicate operational hours instead repeating that "all operators are busy".
I completely agree with you. Air Serbia should offload B&H as soon as possible. They cannot be trusted.
DeleteAir Serbia's call center MUST start working round the clock.
DeleteLX sent its A321 from GVA tonight!
ReplyDeleteDiscussion about Air Serbia reached front page of airliners.net site tonight and it's mostly positive. Does not happen very often, congrats!
ReplyDeleteBTW, it started with a positive experience from Dutch user. Didn't ring a bell until I saw pictures of Morava Airport terminal on his profile :D
Link please
Deletejust blogwalking.. Nice post and have a nice day :)
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