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| EX-YU airlines enforcing "rule of two" |
Air Serbia and Adria Airways have implemented the “rule of two” several years ago, which requires for two crew members to be present on the flight deck at any given time during the flight, while Croatia Airlines introduced the new rules yesterday. Airlines across the world have ushered in the policy after it emerged the co-pilot of Germanwings flight 9525, who was at the controls on his own, had apparently locked himself in the cockpit before crashing the plane into the mountains below on Tuesday, claiming the lives of all 150 on board. Croatia Airlines, Norwegian Air Shuttle, major German airlines including Lufthansa and Air Berlin, easyJet, Monarch Airlines, Virgin and Thomas Cook have all confirmed they are changing their safety policies. However, Air Serbia and Adria Airways have had this rule in place for several years.
In a statement, Air Serbia said, “We have implemented the procedure where at least two crew members must be in the cockpit at any given time, including a member of the cabin crew if the captain or co-pilot leaves the flight deck, more than two years ago. This procedure was approved by the Civil Aviation Directorate and is strictly adhered to and regularly communicated to the crew during pre-flight briefings”. Sandi Slodej, Adria Airways’ Head of Training, says the rule has been enforced by the Slovenian carrier for several years. “These instructions are written in our flight manuals”, Mr. Slodej said.
However, Croatia Airlines introduced the new policy only yesterday. In a statement, it said, “Croatia Airlines will today begin enforcing the operational procedure where two members of the crew must be at the flight deck at all times”. The Croatian Minister for Sea, Transport and Infrastructure, Siniša Hajdaš Dončić, commented on the Germanwings tragedy yesterday by saying, “Croatia Airlines is not a low cost airline and is one of the safest airlines in the world. Something like this simply couldn’t happen at Croatia Airlines”. The carrier’s pilots have recently criticised the company’s Pay to Fly scheme, introduced last year, which is enforced mainly by low cost airlines. Novice pilots who already have a basic licence must pay some 30.000 euros to achieve the "type rating" qualification needed to fly particular aircraft. Previously, pilots would first be hired by the airline before they underwent training. The controversial measure is allowed in most European countries but banned in the United States. However, the measure does not impact on passenger safety in any way.
In wake of the Germanwings disaster, the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) said in future two crew members should be present in the cockpit at all times.
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Thanks for the photo; This beautiful pilot is from Adria :)
Only thing I have to say is this, if there really is some kind of conspiracy cover up about what really happened, then how did they organize it so quickly and what incentive does the French BEA, German BFU, and American FBI have with protecting Airbus?
Right now I am wondering if armored and locking cockpit doors are even worth it.
Turkish Flight 1951 is another example. After is crashed, rescuers couldn't reach the pilots through the armored door. They had to cut through the roof of the plane, and they were dead by the time they reached them, but apparently at least one wasn't dead a little earlier.
Perhaps disable the function where the pilot can override the person entering the code to enter, and perhaps make the doors unlock automatically if the plane sustains 3 times the force of gravity?
For me this is mass murder, very similar to the public shootings we see from time to time. Very sad, and thankfully very uncommon but if a flight deck member decides to take this path, which has happened before, the offender being either alone in the cockpit or with the other pilot would have the overwhelming advantage to commit such an act.
Personally I hope there is no major knee jerk reaction to this and in procedures need to be changed re the locked door which in my opinion is an important safety feature or anything else, then I hope it comes after proper analyst and investigations. Remember, just last week someone was trying to force himself into the cockpit of a domestic US flight before being over powered by passengers and crew.
In saying that I honestly would have expected the 2 crew rule to be standard procedure in all airlines around the world especially the airlines from the west and I am surprised Croatia Airlines did not have that rule. A flight attendant being in the cockpit if one of the pilots has to leave is standard procedure in Australia. The thinking here was as a precaution in case the flying pilot became ill or incapacitated that the FA could then inform the other pilot. I don't think the rule was ever intended to prevent a suicide attempt but as Aleksandar pointed out whenever an incident like this occurred, the suicidal pilot waited until he was alone. Except for the Egypt Air incident where it looked like both pilots were in the cockpit and fighting over the controls. One pilot was pushing down while the other was trying to pull up. Guess who one that one.
I had no idea that there are already conspiracy theories and I am actually surprised that I was surprised to here this.
I had no idea that there are already conspiracy theories and I am actually surprised that I was surprised to here this.
If a plane deviates from its route it should activate alarms and perhaps even override the pilots.
Someone correct me here, but I believe that most planes these days can pretty much land on their own.
my2cents
Pretty much all airliners which were made form the 1970's onward have auto land capability but it requires an Cat IIIb ILS or instrument landing system or better to be installed on the runway being used for landing to be used legally. Auto landing are actually common in Europe and North America in near zero visibility environments.
When you move into the realm of aircraft overriding pilots then you risk unwanted outside interventions by hackers for example taking over an aircraft from the ground with little to nothing the flying crew could do to prevent this.
Thanks!
Really does not look as bigger issue ... now if you take that in 5-10 hour flights they need to get out at least once ... it is not that hard to plan.
At the end of the day ... of course, crazy is crazy and unpredictable.
I'm afraid that '2 persons in the cockpit' policy doesn't give much assurance. Female flight attendant who weighs 50kg has no chance against male pilot of 80kg.
It is immanent that this change will come soon, very soon ... lives of hundreds of people should not depend only on two people if they do not have to.
Hijacking might become even less attractive if air traffic control or airline can take over control over airplane when needed.
NS-INN
LH1728 MUC1435 - 1600BEG E95
LH1729 BEG1640 - 1815MUC E95
JAT je toliko sjajan bio da si mogao i da se vozas u kokpitu samo ako nekog poznajes.
Patriote moje drage :)
Unfortunately, there is really no quick and simple explanation, you should really meet some people who have gone through it.
Your first step is to get a first class medical. Don't waste any money until you know for sure that you are fit to fly in the airlines. You must get an aviation medical at an AME (aviation medical examiner). In USA, it costs about $100, but some medical insurance policies may actually cover them. Not sure how much it costs in Canada.
I don't know what are all the training options in Canada best, but in America there are two broad categories: Part 61 and Part 141, which you can learn about more in the FAA Federal Aeronautical Regulations publication, which is either accessible on the FAA website for free, or you can purchase a print copy of the FAR and the Aeronautical Information Manual in one handy book, called the FAR/AIM. If you ever train or fly in America, this will be your best friend. You will need to know this book cover to cover basically. A pretty thick book, but don't let it scare you.
So yeah, sorry I don't have a lot of experience flying in Canada. If you want to get your training in better weather, more complicated airspace, and for a LOT less money, consider doing your training in America.
AIRLINERS DONT LAND BY THEM SELFS!
Those two guys in first row with best view guide it.
EVERY auto land is monitored, cross checked and aborted if unsafe. And it happens!
CA in cockpit is a good thing. She is an psychological element which can change persons mind. There is no physical things involved, but this is just our mentality. Hit the bastard between the eyes and kill him if you have a chance.
Da li je moguće da si toliko pristrasan i neobjektivan???
In case of doors they overdid it, and now they should relax it a bit ...so you should be able to open the door with master code.
However, we are talking here about incidents, about extreme situations when extreme measures are needed.
There has to be more then two people involved in ensuring landing (if it is about human factor).
On hijacking of ATC... we already established in post above that if you want to hijack airplane you can do it even today... Question is only "What's the point?".
As soon as right motives are found there will be new hijacking. :)
Still I think that proper protection is possible to be ensured, even for ATC.
INN-NS
Not necessarily bad. There's an overnight from FRA, but no afternoon flights at all by LH. I would say this is an improvement. Sure, three instead of two would be better, but this way you get to choose whether to take the morning, afternoon or evening flight.
Nevertheless, I sure miss BA... I don't get it - JU has 9 weeklies, plus WizzAir, LF is great, BA has an extensive North American network, they would do fine on the route... Given how much they fly in the region (some cities are served with multiple daily flights!) I honestly don't get what they're waiting for here...
"AIRLINERS DONT LAND BY THEM SELFS!
Those two guys in first row with best view guide it."
Yes today the pilots are required to set the aircraft up for any landing including an auto landing but that does not mean it can't be done remotely from the ground. We see this with the expanded use of drones.