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| Air Serbia evaluating feasibility of transatlantic services |
Air Serbia’s CEO, Dane Kondić, has said that no decision has been made on launching flights to the United States but confirmed the airline is continuing to evaluate the feasibility of transatlantic services. Speaking to the “Flightglobal” magazine recently, Mr. Kondić said, “No decision has been made. There has been a lot of talk about it. We haven’t actually said anything about it”. He added, “The government is a shareholder in the business and they've asked us to look at the feasibility of serving North America. We are in throes of doing studies and analysis. Now, simultaneously, and not to prejudice the outcome of what analysis is going to show us, we've asked the government to make sure everything regulatory, that would enable us to fly, if we decide to fly, is in place”.
The CEO of Serbia’s national carrier previously told “The Australian” newspaper, in an interview published on February 20, that the airline hopes to establish transatlantic flights within twelve to fourteen months. Serbia and the United States signed a Bilateral Air Service Agreement on Tuesday, paving the way for future services. The Serbian government has pushed for flights to the States since Etihad Airways took a 49% stake in Jat Airways and renamed it to Air Serbia in August 2013. The government has been continuously pushing for services to New York and Toronto. On the other hand, Etihad Airways’ CEO, James Hogan, said exactly a year ago that Chicago will likely become Air Serbia’s first long haul destination. “Air Serbia will connect the entire region. We plan to expand our network based on the Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrin diaspora”, Mr. Hogan said at the time. He added, “We will launch new routes and Chicago is the first destination we are thinking of”. However, Etihad’s CEO has continuously said that services would be launched “only if the numbers stack up”.
Speaking to “Flightglobal”, Mr. Kondić noted that Air Serbia’s analysis of future transatlantic flights has been based around Airbus A330-200s. The CEO said the airline would follow a similar process in leasing the aircraft as it did with other members of its fleet. “We’d go in and see what aircraft are available within the [Etihad] family, that’s the synergies that come from being part of a family. It would be a remiss not to do that - so we’d see what aircraft might be available, and of course we’d go out to the market”, Mr. Kondić concluded.
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That Air Serbia is not really profitable?
That LF is not good to feed USA flights?
That there is no more money for dumping and because of that LF will be even lower in 2016 and less feeding passengers for potential USA routes?
That there is no money for present routes structure and more risk and spending money is not possible?
Those are logical questions but one thing is for SURE: if CEO said “We haven’t actually said anything about it” then it is at least not good and he make possible way of getting out of plans to open USA routes. That is on-time excuse for what will happen in future. Not to make it as shock in few months. And we will see if that “we haven’t actually said anything about it” will become “numbers are not in favour for USA routes” and latter “it will be irresponsible for us to start USA routes and put Air Serbia project in danger” than there will be no USA flights.
But actually I thing that this announcement is not because of “getting out” but it is pressure to government and Vučić. He promise USA flights. It is his political project. Serbia invest huge amount of money in this pinkie dream-company. And he cannot afford not to open USA flights. And Etihad will not do it without extra money, extra lot of millions of EUR. On top of several hundred millions already put in company. So this Kondić announcement in reality is: “Dear Mr. Vučić if you will not give us more money we will not open USA flights”. Does Serbia have that money? Or it will make another loan from UAE?
Niko ne treba godinama za te feasibility studije.
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Mislim da je u pitanju lova. Ali u ovom slucaju lova moze biti sa nase strane isto kao i sa Etihadove. Cinjenica je da je pocelo da se "reze" i smanjuje potrosnja u UAE, zbog niske cene goriva, troskovi se moraju smanjiti. Navodno situacija u Etihadu je takva da su 'zamrzli' direct entry Kapetanstvo. Znaci i njima nije sjajno dole, a ovde kod nas naravno svako bi da leti do Marsa ali pritom da se ne investira lova.
Tako da ovo moze biti CEO-ova poruka nasim politicarima, ali u jedno mozda i znak da u Etihadu ne stima sve najbolje, i da to moze isto biti razlog.
I think that Mr.Kondic and Ethidad has taken a perfect stand on this issue, we all know that nobody in the Balkans does anything until it has really happened. We can all make plans 5 times over, but things very rarely happens. Why spend all the time on making plans when it all comes down to some stupid political happening or non-happening. Just look at the case with the tour-operators and Turkey, all of a sudden the Ministry of Stupidity has some crazy idea about what they think is right instead of letting people chose what they want to do.
Now the facts are on the table, there is a deal, which however has to be ratified by XXXXX.....great, things can still go upshot creek.
Then, the airport itself.......infrastructure, runway load = type of ac, terminal, flow of passengers, passport control....
On Tuesday I was to pick up one (1) guest that flew in for a couple of hours, no luggage.....it took him 55 minutes from landing until he was out.....
Please, somebody help the airport to get things right.
7% more flights
4% more scheduled flights
17% more passangers (98860)
15% more scheduled pax and 33% more charter pax
57 pax per scheduled flight (up 10%)
Overall in first 4 months of 2015 Adria transfered 11% more pax and increased operated flights by 2%.
To the contrary, he is actually being purposefully shrewd with his comments, so as not to disclose too much of the upcoming developments. You always have to take your opponent by surprise, and this is no different in the aviation industry. A long-standing Etihad policy, btw. However, if you were listening to his previous comments on this matter, a more clear set of clues is left by him. Certainly, the GoS is pursing this as a matter of national pride, but network wise, JU has been preparing for this too, over the past year. This forms part of a much wider Etihad strategy to keep the pressure on the North American market.
Btw, I'll send you an update of my customer experience next year, via my laptop or my mobile phone, somewhere over the Atlantic, as I'm flying BEG-JFK.
Cheers!
Your comment is just pathetic.
Not so mu7ch due to range but it would be very uncomfortable for the passengers flying that long in an ATR.
Not so mu7ch due to range but it would be very uncomfortable for the passengers flying that long in an ATR.
I would thought with Aegean starting the route and not being high season yet that you could get a lot better prices for a direct flight than 390E.
Friendly regards. ✈Rodney from sunny Coogee, Sydney✈.
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They send it to PRG, where the distance is aprox 740 km. To WAW it is around 820 km .
As we all know, they are in lack of ATR's, so I doubt that they are going to put it on this route.
Rossiya can have really good prices but that's to LED alone.
Has anybody ever flown AUH-BEG-SJJ-BEG-AUH with Air Serbia before?
Where can I read reviews of these flights?
Has anybody here flown these routes? What are the seats / meals / in-flight entertainment system like?
Cheers! :)
1. USB3 (Delta, American i United) vode otvoreni rat preko Kongresa da se zatvori nebo za MEB3 (Emirates, Qatar i Etihad). Taj rat je ogroman i vrlo ozbiljan. On nije niti prošlost, kako vi kažete (prošle godine), nego je sadašnjost i toliko je velik da ministri UEA i Qatara odlaze u SAD da bi pokušali to spriječiti.
2. Znate li vi, gospodine da MEB3 (Emirates, Etihad i Qatar) imaju 26 linija prema SAD-u (Emirates 10, Etihad 9, Qatar 7, te otvara još 3) sa oko 220 tjednih polazaka. Što u ovih 10-tak tjednih polazaka na potencijalne 2 linije prema SAD-u Air Serbije u tom kontekstu znače?
3. Kako to mislite da Etihad kreće na napad na ovo tržište? Ove linije koje predlaže Air Serbia (Chicago i New York) sva tri prijevoznika iz Bliskog Istoka već lete i to sa 70 tjednih polazaka (10 puta dnevno). Kako etihad kreće u napad ako već ima 9 linija prema SAD među kojima i Chicago i New York i najavljuje dodatne letove i linije?
Hajde omanite se ovih diletantskih populističkih objašnjenja za široke i neuke mase.
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I flew with Air Serbia in June from Abu Dhabi to Belgrade and from Sarajevo to Belgrade. Nice, young, friendly cabin crew, excellent catering, and flying with Serbian people you don't need better entertainment. Both flights were on time with wonderful landing from Sarajevo to Belgrade turning around Avala mountain.
this is a review from Skytrax
Darko ZL
FAA Cat I - check (delayed a bit); US bilateral - check (delayed a lot); what else is on GoS ToDo list? Sounds like something else is missing... Could it be something at BEG airport, perhaps separate arr/dep passengers, or at least two A330 capable gate areas, or dedicated Air Serbia Terminal? Almost nothing has been done at the airport in the last 12 months and no concession decision has been made! In the meantime, Kondic and his team made a gargantuan task of transforming JAT into modern airline that is Air Serbia.
Could be something else, but look at the prime suspect first: BEG airport. My 2 outsider cents.
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Vecina vas soli pamet G Kondicu a ustvari lupate gluposti .
Letovi ce poceti ne boj te se .
INN-NS
A problem je u tome sto vi savetujete nekoga koji se 100 puta bolje od vas razume i zna sta radi .
INN-NS
W. Shakespeare
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I have to corrcet you, zahtjev USB3 je ne da se kompletno zatvori US nebo za MEB3 nego da se zaustavi izdavanje dodatnh dozvola. Sto znaci da ih zaustave gdje i jesu. To se isto desilo i u Kanadi, gdje su zaustavili EK na 3 leta sedmicno za YYZ iako su htjeli da povecaju frekvencije i lete na druge destinacije. Tako da, ako se sve uzme u obzir ja nebih 100% iskljucio ono sto anon 2:06 govori. Iako, ako US DoT ne dozvoli sirenje Etihadu, nevjerujem da bi puno drugacije gledali na sirenje kompanije koja je u 49% vlasnistvu Etihada.
As far as I know, actual carrier - not country, has to submit DoT application, so that would not be on GoS list. ASL should be well positioned to get approval this time, as Delta/ALPA objections used back in 2013 to reject EY codeshare application are no longer valid.
Online checkin is not a requirement for US flights, and it's not ASL's fault they don't have it yet. Hopefully they will have it fairly soon after flights commence.
Online check in is something they need to bring in, they are aware of that, and they have said they are working on it. They did say it will come with the new website, I just hope that doesnt dissapoint.
Znam ja od kad je to i znam zasto je obzirom da Etihad i ostali iz zaliva lete iz usa,Kanade prema svojim habovima a ne prema evropi sto je ogromna za razliku od air Serbia npr zbog geografske pozicije,koliko mi jos necemo uci u eu a imamo potpisano sa uae da mogu koristiti nase nebo prema 3.zemljama nisi o tome mislio.Air Serbia je trojanac u tom ratu a SM je lepo napisao poenta je da se zaustavi dalja ekspanzija a ne da se zabrani letenje zalivskim kompanijama.Usa nije kao Kanada oni jednostavno nece moci uraditi to sto hoce delta i kompanija to je nemoguce jer se to kosi sa samom sustinom liberalizma u usa odnosno globalizma kojeg su oni promovisali sve sa bombama nad drugim zemljama jedino sto mogu uraditi je da odloze malo ovako kao sto rade dizuci tuzbe koje nemaju sanse da prodju i pravnim zackoljicama.Ponavljam ovo nema nikakve veze sa air Serbia vec iskljucivo rat zaliva protiv starih divova u usa ASL je trojanac koji ulazi na mala vrata.Mislim da uopste nije pitanje da li ce biti putnika vec je pitanje samo koliko ce letova dozvoliti i nista vise.Cene koje asl moze ponuditi su nezamarljivo manje od ostalih a to nema nikakve veze sa subvencijama vec... a sad mozete me ismevati.
"America won't welcome AS because of their airlines' dispute with the gulf carriers. AS is 49% owned by a gulf carrier."
America or the US3? Jetblue doesnt seem to be against the ME3. Lets not forget that the US3 have been caught out in alot of lies, especially in regards to EK.
Preporucio bi svakome da ga poseti.
A sto skrecete sa teme .
INN-NS
But also it burns more fuel than ATR 72, which is for many companies more important. The Q400 would cost 1.3 more to operate than ATR 72 - 500.
The advantage of Q400 over ATR 72 is the number of seats, but that doesn't help the economics.
You are getting it now.
Anon 8.53, da li za kondica kazete da je sinja kukavica posto, eto, I on nije povrdio? Samo vi I inn sns ste 100% sigurni. Ubedjujete da bice sigurno.
Ja bih voleo da bude tih letevoa kao I vi ali stvarno ne razumem vasu potrebu da u situaciji gde kondic ne potvrdjuje, vi karakterisete svakog ko ima sumnju kao sinju kukavicu. A inn sns po obicaju vredja I omalovazava. Ali to je zato sto je on ovde partijski vojnik a ponajvise sto je klinac napaljenko. Nadam se da I vi niste ovde da nam zavodite red I pricate sta sme a sta ne sme da se pise o air srbiji.
ATRs are necessary for JU's regional routes, so that fleet has to stay. A320s are also here to stay. The only additional fleet that I think might make sense is a 70-100 seat jet.
Have you landed from LHR today, 14.05., with JU381?
Whose fault is it if not ASL??? Is it maybe AF, LH, BA, AS fault? Or maybe the fault of the Maxi shop clerk?
Ne vredjam G Kondica i nikad nebi to ucinio zato sto je ucinio sto nijedan CEO nije uspeo za 1 god .
A sta je bilo za ATR nece doci za 2-3 Godine a i nije bas najsvezija vest vec je pre potpisivanja ugovora sa USA .
A ponnovo mesate politiku, a mene sme svako da vredja a ja ne smem da uzvratim.
INN-NS
Everything else is easily a task a Q400 can do when Airbus is half empty. On the other hand ATR would struggle with capacity and schedule. Having said that, the Q400 can do long range cruise which brings the speed back at around 285kts (at FL250) and reduces fuel consumption drastically. So if you need it for short haul, it can do the job, and if you need it to replace A319 on a certain leg during off peak times, it can do that too with a marginal time penalty but considerable fuel advantage. Anything about 1000km, the jet makes more sense.
Turkish Airlines to Bucharest, A332
Turkish Airlines to Algiers, A332
Turkish Airlines to Madrid, B773
Turkish Airlines to Dubai, A332
Turkish Airlines to Athens, B773
Turkish Airlines to Frankfurt A332
Turkish Airlines to Zurich A332
Turkish Airlines to Milan, A332
Turkish Airlines to Heathrow, A333
Turkish Airlines to Paris, A333
Turkish Airlines to Barcelona, A332
I am sure TK's reaction to JU's north Atlantic aspirations is just: how cute.
JU lets remember in 2013 was a poorly run airline with half the fleet grounded and no hope for the future. 2013 wasnt soo long ago.
The size of an airline's home market means little if the airline is not capable of capturing it.
So before calling other people's statements stupid, you might want to think first.
If you want to take on someone then feel free to do it with TK who advertise flights from Belgrade to North America and their pricing is very often more than competitive. Very often they have more than good enough fares to certain parts of Europe.
In a poor country like Serbia, the price is usually the deciding factor.