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| Serbian Prime Minister announces five weekly Belgrade - New York flights for 2016 |
The Serbian Prime Minister, Aleksandar Vučić, announced yesterday that the country's national carrier, Air Serbia, will launch flights from Belgrade to New York next year which will operate five times per week. The comments were made following a meeting of the airline's Supervisory Board, the PM said. In a statement to the "B92" network, Mr Vučić noted, "It is very important that we held a meeting of the Air Serbia Supervisory Board, and that, in addition to the excellent results which have made it the leading carrier in the region, we concluded that we will fly to New York five times per week next year". He added, "Even from Athens there are no flights to New York despite the city being double the size of Belgrade. From Belgrade there will be flights to New York, not to mention that we already have on board Wi-Fi and other services which set our airline apart from other carriers in the region". Athens is in fact served seasonally from New York by Delta Air Lines.
Air Serbia itself has not committed to any dates or frequencies to the United States. However, in February, the airline's CEO, Dane Kondić, told "The Australian" daily that he hoped to realise transatlantic flights within the next twelve to fourteen months, but noted, "In terms of Belgrade and Serbia re-emerging in the world, it’s a natural ambition for the country to want to reconnect to many of the markets and places that they used to fly but Air Serbia has no aspirations to fly all over the world the way Jat Airways used to". Later on, in May, the airline said it was studying potential flights to the US but that no decision has been made.
In August, Air Serbia applied for a permit from the United States Department of Transportation (DoT), stating, "While Air Serbia initially proposes to provide scheduled air service from Belgrade to New York, Chicago and Miami pursuant to a codeshare arrangement with Air Berlin, Serbia's recent achievement of Category 1 status under the FAA's International Air Safety Assessment Program makes it possible for Air Serbia eventually to provide its own service to the United States”. Caitlin Harvey, from the DoT, recently told EX-YU Aviation News that Air Serbia's application is "under active Department consideration", adding that the processing time for applications varies from case to case. According to the Serbian government, an Airbus A330-200 will be leased for the flights, at a cost of 500.000 USD per month. Last September, the President and CEO of Etihad Airways and Vice Chairman of Air Serbia, James Hogan, said the jet could be transferred to the Serbian airline from the Etihad Airways group.
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At this point it has become more than obvious that these NY flights are nothing more and nothing less than a political move. Hogan is not stupid and he knows that JU is not ready. I mean, how many airlines with 10 Airbuses and 5 Atrs do you know that have transatlantic flights?!
I see Mr Vucic as a megalomaniac. He's just proved that with his "Belgrade at Water" deal.
Lokalci ce im popuniti mozda 20% kabine.
So what's your point ?
That's my point.
However, I would like to hear this news confirmed By Mr. Hogan or Kondic.
Merde, ce fait mal
Jeste i taj red letenja sto im je doneo rast od 68% nece vise postojati za koju nedelju imajuci u vidu da se broj frekvencija i destinacija znatno smanjuje.
Uz sve to, ako je broj putnika tako naglo porastao a kompanija je dodala svega dve dodatne ucestalosti (TIA i BEY) dok je drasticno smanjila celu svoju mrezu dokazuje da je yield bio katastrofalan. Tako da na kraju, da sam na vasem mestu ne bih se bas kitio tom cinjenicom o naglom rastu putnika.
those flights are going to be a financial disaster!
A cisto sumnjam da je BUD ista sezonalniji od SOF ili OTP. Isto tako, cak i jake gasterbajterske linije se smanjuju na 4 leta nedeljno sto znaci samoubistvo za tranzitne putnike posto je connectivity trenutno osakacen. Idi ga prostudiraj pa dodji da pricamo.
Ali dobro, meni je i dalje najveci hit novi red letenja za SVO.
Vezati po jedan let za Bukurest, Sofiju, Atinu, Budimpestu, Zagreb i Tiranu na let za JFK makar LH davala karte za $500.
On the bright side, if all the hate bursts out today we may have a calm rest of the week. The only problem is, the well from which the haters drink simply has no bottom.
Drugo, da te obrazujem. Red letenja se nece siriti ove zime jer je on napravljen tako da lete samo erbasevi i 4-5 Atra. U teoriji to je i dobro jer su matoriji atrovi nepouzdani i cesto se kvare. Problem je u tome sto ni jedan erbas nije stigao od proslog septembra. Sa ovim redom letenja JU nece postici bog zna sta.
A to kada kazes da se veze po jedan let za JFK, iskreno se nadam da ne mislis na jedan let nedeljno... Mene samo zanima kako ce izorganizovati letove tako da se nude presedanja u oba smera, to jest ako uopste bude letova.
Main connection hubs for the residents of Seychelles are AUH or DXB. The islands are so remotely located that even not-so-tourist routes such as TNR or DAR are covered with A332. Air Seychelles do not have ANYTHING smaller than A332 except for several DHC-6 that are only used for traffic between the islands.
And they are on good path as they doubled the number of A332 in the fleet from 2 to 4 - all leased from EY. And they now fly to much more destinations - only 2 years ago they had nothing but AUH and HKG covered with two birds. Etihad has done a lot to develop them although some "experts" predicted that they would never provide more planes and routes than what would be necessary to simply funnel all visitors through AUH.
Za Madrid nema interesovanja za razliku od Katalonije koja je sezonski pokrivena.
Da li ti zaista mislis da ASL sada zavisi od Agrama odakle ljudi slabo koriste avion? Svi su im letovi koji su zavisili od domacih putnika preko bare propali. Samo dobro je da postoji ta mogucnost i neko ce je mozda koristiti.
Опцију +/- 3 дана користе путници којима је цена примарна у одабиру и флексибилан је са својим путовањем.
У питању су најчешће путници који ређе путују. За честе, углавном пословне путнике, који највише путују и пуне авионе, датум путовања је фиксан и ништа му не значи ако дан касније види да је цена нижа или да на онај дан када њему треба да путује нема лета.
Ред летења ЈУ какав је формиран на почетку је асоцирао да ће се развојем компаније доћи до најмање два дневна лета ка сваком од одредишта, а не да ће две године касније доћи до резања линија и фреквенција.
Ја сумњам да се са оваквим редом летења може постићи бољи фактор пуњења, јер џаба путнику из Солуна опција +/- 3 дана и веза до Београда, ако до Стокхолма на пример у распону од 6 дана не може да убоде ни један термин у који се уклапа, било редом летења, било ценом. Компанија тада губи не само путника на лету за Стокхолм до кога је смањила фреквенције, већ и путника од Солуна до Београда. Такво скрнављење реда летења се не може сматрати мерама које ће подстаћи повећање попуњености.
Везано за прекоокеанске летове, дошло је из уста пицоустог, после се његови следбеници овде буне када кажемо да се компанијим управља у Немањиној улици, а да је Кондић само марионета
O&D JFK-BEG year round is very small.
It needs connections to Albania, Montenegro, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czech Republic, Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Lebanon, Israel and Egypt at a minimum.
Znači, po tebi, je svaka pohvala i pozitivna vest o ASL znak sledbeništva vlasti?! Kapiram da si razočaran da im ide dobro ali mislim da bi svoje frustracije politikom trebalo da lečiš na drugom mestu. Što se tiče opaske o Kondiću, verovatno je po tebi i sam Etihad Vučićeva marioneta.
Dajte, više. Uostalom, nema šta LH da se "priprema" na konkurenciju od strane ASL. To je smešno. Podesiće cene kada ovi izađu sa svojima i to je sve.
Nema previse poslovnih putnika za USA. Stepen industrijske i trgovacke razmene sa celim regionom je dosta nizak. Nikome ovde nije problem da otputuje i dva dana ranije. Prezaposleni poslovni ljudi kako da ne. Smanji malo dozivljaj.
I'm not saying this is good or bad and really don't wan't to go into politics, but simply, if he said it - that's what ASL is doing. The real question is - who made the call in the first place, not who broke the news.
Hejteri su skroz prsli u zadnjih par meseci, prosto da čoveku bude žao.
It really makes no sense unless it it Etihad flying to NY 5 times per week via Belgrade??
Time will tell.
If Air Serbia does start flying to NY next year I doubt it will be 5 times per week but like I said, time will tell.
And yet, it is only ASL that gets bashed and sent straight into predicted emptiness and bankruptcy before any flights have even been confirmed and scheduled. Anytime a smaller airline opens a transatlantic route we hear applauding and "good luck" comments. But when we unofficially hear something similar from ASL the avalanche is triggered immediately: they cannot be cheaper than LH, no one will fly them, 5x frequency is a suicide, there are so many options in FRA/AMS/LHR...
Well since you are all such impartial genius minds, would you tell me why would ANY AIRLINE other than LH, AF or BA ever bother to try transatlantic? I mean, if all customers will use 3 airports and no other place to fly to the US, how come we have smaller carriers from smaller hubs trying it and surviving it right next to the almighty FRA, AMS and LHR?
And event if the entire project does not make it, why not trying? How do you imagine anyone except the EB3 to ever do something if you lash out any newcomer with your "nah, only LH can do that" logic?
Or is it only if the newcomer's name is Air Serbia?
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WK duplo manja Flota od ASL ali ipak imaju 2 A330
8U
SB
8H kako nase drage komsije uspevaju a da mora neka teorija zavere i fondova da postoji
XLF samo 2 738 i 4 330
7W Kako ovi prijatelji funkcionisu i ko su duplo manji od ASL i imaju 1 A332 ja stvarno ne znam .
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I nadam se da ce takodje ubrzo posle uspostavljana linije krenuti jos jedan grad o kome se pricalo.
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As somebody mentioned above, I’ll trust this news when it comes from Hogan or Kondic not the PM. I really don’t understand why he does these things. It’s not like there are elections around the corner or something. If he wishes well to this company he should do the same they are doing with Smederevo steel mill and that is SHUT THE HECK UP.
Take SAS, in addition to having a strong hub in CPH they also have a lot of local demand, especially for places like New York.
Finnair has maintained New York flights for years now but they haven't expanded anywhere else and they are just adding Chicago now, primarily thanks to their partnership with AA.
Iberia operates out of Spain and even they experienced difficulties in keeping some north American routes alive (Boston, LAX...).
Swiss is obvious and so is Aer Lingus. Austrian Airlines' New York flight can be sustained alone thanks to the UN on both ends.
They launched Chicago recently which is a huge Star hub and so in IAD.
Then you have airlines like CSA, Malev, Tarom... which have failed for more than obvious reasons.
I hope you can see the difference between all these and Air Serbia. Even if you take LO which has a trumendous O&D potential and which has the most economical aircraft at the moment, experiences huge difficulties.
Dragi korisnice, da li mozete da mi postavite link, da procitam tu najavu, pokusavao sam da je pronadjem na sajtu ASL i u vestima al nisam uspeo?
8U - Afriqiyah // it was something of a project by the Libyan government and at one stage they wanted to built something of Emirates in Tripoli, that is to link Africa with the rest of the world. So since they were a government project of an oil rich country, adequate fleet planning was not their priority. Once again you have selected an airline that is not in the same group as JU.
SB- Air Calin / do you understand where this airline is based? Do you realise how remote their base is? Do you know that they are mostly there to bring in tourists from places like South Korea, Japan... meaning that they need those planes? This airline is more similar to Edelweiss and Thomas Cook rather than Air Serbia.
8H - are you serious about this one?
Once you have proven how stupid you are.
Skoro sam leteo sa LH sa JFK preko FRA, dok sam cekao na FRA cuo sam komentare putnika, da nikada ne lete sa ASL, zbog politike oko izgubljenog prtljaga, zbog kasnjenja. Takav renome je jako tesko ispraviti za kratko vreme.
WK je charter kompanija sa pokojom (vrlo rijetkom) redovnom linijom
8U je bio produkt bolesnih ambicija u prvom redu Libijske klike, a potom nisu pojma imali što bi sa time, pa su sada širokotrupci prizemljeni i konzervirani. Baš ti je super primjer! Nadam se da ne želiš da Air Serbija tako završi.
SB je kompanija Nove Kaledonije koja je usred ničega ni naravno da ima dva uskotripca za spajanje otoka, i šorokotrupce kojma uspjeva doći do nekog kopna. Takvih kompanija sa tek 3-4 aviona od čega 1-2 širokotrupca imaš mali milijun. I što to dokazuje. Pa njima je to jedini način preživljavanja.
8H je isključivo charter kompanija. Čak štoviše svoj širokotrupac iznajmljuju drugima jer realno nemaju pojam što bi sa njim. Nije li dovoljno reči da su bili u dealu sa ovim SkyGreece lumenima.
Isto tako je SE (XLF) charteraš. Znaš li ti uopče razliku i čemu njima služe šriokotrupci????
I 7W je charteraš sa samo jednim šorkotrupcem.
Dakle ovo je daleko najblesavije što si napisao do sada! Ovo upravo dokazuje KAKO NEMAŠ NI NAJMANJEG POJMA o avioprometu!!!!
I ja opet nisam kriv sto se vasi pakosni planovi nece ostvariti samo cete moci uzivati u prizoru ASL A 332
tako da tisina misevi .
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a: geography. Poland has several large cities, all better connected by LH to FRA/MUC than to WAW. LH has better feed from Poland then LO on their own turf. Also, LO alliance partners on the other end AC and UA are in JV with LH, not LOT.
b: most economical (but expensive) plane does not mean much during low oil price period. LO 787 has a wrong configuration for the market. Case in point: Air Canada did not select their top shelf product (new 787) to fight LOT, but instead uses low-end RV 767 without biz class to go underneath LOT, where most of the market is. If there's a takeaway for ASL, it's consider going dense and only Y and Y+.
c: LOT feed for those flights. Until last year LOT was not focused enough on feeding TATL from wider region.
LOT has other internal problems, but they are not TATL specific, like restructuring and growth restictions.
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b. Air Canada will use Rouge to Poland because the market is highly seasonal and low-yielding. LOT might be a legacy carrier but their costs are considerably lower than Air Canada's. AC has to adapt to the realities of the market.
c. until last year? What are you going on about? LO has been flying to places like BUD, OTP, SOF, BEG, SVO, KBP... for many years now and they have been in the business of offering connections for the longest time now, both intra-European as well as long-haul.
Ako hoces da poredis JU sa drugim kompanijama onda to moras da radis sa onima sa kojima su u istoj grupi. U suprotnom narod ce se i dalje sprdati sa tobom... kao sto to radi od prvog dana kada si poceo da piss ovde.
This is why I said I doubt if it happens, it will be 5 times per week unless Etihad proper is involved somehow like Abu Dhabi to NY via Belgrade 5 times per week.
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b: agreed. But this also means AC could one day use Rouge on YYZ-BEG to go against Air Serbia. However if ASL cabin is dense and without business class, it makes no sense for RV to go against it, and would more likely partner and codeshare with Air Serbia than go against it.
Isto tako, ja se ne secam da si ti jednom koristio neku vrstu argumenta kada si branio ono sto si napisao... ili pre lupetao.
Mi ne uporedjujemo samo flote vec aviokompanije u celosti sto ukljucuje i to gde su bazirane, u kakvom okruzenju posluju... ti nista od toga ne spominjes.
JU needs to get even a small part of that to fill its planes to JFK.
Lufthansa, Austrian, Alitalia already use those passengers despite having large home markets.
JU will need them even more.
Also Ukraine (40 million population) and Armenia (very large diaspora) have a lot of demand for the US.
JU can not be profitable flying to the US by competing only for ec-Yu and rest of Balkans passengers.
Of course all those matter if JU wants to be profitable flying to North America.
It can always fly either half empty planes or fill them with super discounted fares and have losses covered by the State and EY.
I naravno nadam se jos letova za ORD i YYZ zato sto ce biti profitabilni kao i ovi za JFK.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 11:07 PM:
Drage kolege, moj prvi post
Dugo vas pratim, moze se reci preko 4 godine "spijuniram" i sve kazem sebi necu se pridruziti ovoj zajednici posto jednom kad udjes u ovo kolo tesko se iz njega izlazi, ali jednostavno prica je toliko atraktivna da moram i ja da se ukljucim i kazem svoje misljenje u vezi Air Serbia-e.
Prvo, sto se tice cirilice na avionima, to mozemo da zaboravimo i topic je potpuno bespotreban, samo zauzima mesto na temi. Cirilice NECE BITI i treba s tim da se pomirimo...Air Serbia prerasta u TRANZITNOG prevozioca putnika i u feeder-a za Etihad i kao takva suvise je mala i beznacajna da bi trazila a i dobila od pravog vlasnika taj "luksuz". Cak i kad smo bili JAT sve je bilo latinica, pa se niko nije bunio.
Druga stvar je povecanje flote
Tu sam sebi dao oduska posto pratim razvoj i Etihada a i Air Serbia-e. Takodje sam pricao sa puno ljudi koji rade za Air Serbia-u i koji su vezani direktno za flight management i crafts purchasing i informacije su sledece (mada to ovde vec svi znaju ali nije lose opet ponoviti) -
1. stize 10 A320neo, to vec i vrapci znaju
2. 737 uskoro ide u penziju
3. Etihad prebacuje na Air Serbia minimum 2 A340-500 i 4 A340-600, barem se tako prica i onda krece luda ekspanzija interkontinentalaca preko Beograda, za A330 jos je stand-by
4. flota VRISTI za dodatnim ATR avionima ali niko ne zna ZASTO Etihad potpuno ignorise Air Serbia-ine zahteve za ATR. Da ih ima tri puta ovoliko ne bi bilo dosta posebno kad krenu interkontinentalni letovi pa se pojaca potreba za ranojutarnjih dolascima u Beograd
Treca stvar je isplativost kompanije - cekaju se finansijski izvestaji ali rezultati, barme koliko sma ja imao uvida u kretanja stanja na racunima su i vise nego zadovoljavajuci...nema profita samo je pozitivna nula ali je i ona ogroman uspeh
Cetvrta stvar je uvodjenje novih ruta - ovde mora da se obrati paznja GDE leti Etihad i gde Etihad planira da leti...Ako Etihad vec leti za Sao Paolo nece pustiti Air Serbia-u da leti isto za Sao Paolo.
Evropa - bez ikakvih ustrucavanja mogu sledece destinacije (neke od njih su vec u pregovorima, neke od njhi su vec zakljucene...) - Barselona (pregovori), Lisabon (pregovori sa TAP da TAP ukine a Air Serbia preuzme), Nica (od zime 2015), Oslo (od zime 2015), St Petersburg (od zime 2015), Helsinki (pregovori), Riga (pregovori), Pristina (krece VALJDA od maja...)
Afrika - cim stignu sirokotrupci krece jedna od sledecih destinacija posto su one jako bitne i Etihadu za dalje konekcije preko Beograda za Abu Dabi - Kejp Taun ili Abidzan ili Akra ili Luanda...najverovatnije Luanda prva pa Kejp Taun drugi
Azija - MOZDA samo Ulan Bator posto sve ostalo drzi Etihad, sve ce ici preko Abu Dabija, moramo biti realni, jedino cemo dobiti MOZDA Peking ali sa Air China-om
Americki kontinent - najveci zalogaj, najveci rizik ali i najveca dobit - vecina je vec povezana sa Abu Dabijem tako da 100% ide Majami i Atlanta u prvom talasu a posle toga NAJVEROVATNIJE Otava, Meksiko Siti i u nekoj daljoj buducnosti Rio de Zaneiro ili Buenos Aires (mada oni lakse idu konekcije preko Lisabona pa dalje TAP).
Toliko od mene za sad. Puno planova, puno novih delivery-ja od strane Etihada, puno posla i nadamo se svi puno profita na kraju krajeva, zato je Air Serbia i stvorena.
U zadnje 4 godine sam imao preko 150 letova i sveukupno preko 600 sati sa raznim kompanijama, kako u ekonomskoj tako i u biznis klasi... u ekonomiji trenutno na kracim i srednjim relacijama NEMA BOLJEG POSLUZENJA od posluzenja u Air Serbia avionima. U biznis klasi je Air Serbia bez premca...ne govorim zato sto je VOLIM (firma kao firma, samo da me preveze od tacke A do tacke B), nego realno.
Takmicimo se sa Azijom po posluzi to je tacno, ali na teritoriji Evrope postajemo prepoznatljivi po dobroj hrani.
Unapred se izvinjavam ako sam pravio neke slovne greske, spreman sam za Vasa dalja pitanja ili komentare
Remember what happened to SkyGreece when it's only aircraft had technical issues in Toronto and Montreal.
Can you please elaborate on this, I’d love to know more about how these things work.
To me and in theory, one plane could leave BEG in the morning, be in NA in the afternoon (same day), turn around and be back in BEG the following morning. Now, ac can’t fly every day with no issue for years. So you have to account for planned and unplanned maintenance. Planned maintenance checks could be scheduled for the low season. As a replacement you could arrange short term lease (probably very expensive) or make adjustments to skip those weeks/days. The bigger problem is when there are issues (unplanned) when plane can’t take off. The only way you can take care of this is by rebooking pax onto other carriers (expensive and not good PR). Interesting question would be what’s more expensive. All of this or the lease of an extra ac.
Again, this is just my uneducated guessing. I’d love to know more details about how this type of planning is actually done.
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E sada, ako vama koji se dopisujete sa njim OVO nije dosta onda mislim stvaaarnoooo...
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Aegean ima duplo vise aviona nego Air Serbia, mnogo bolju evropsku mrezu i pokriva mnogo veci dio Evrope a jos nisu ni pomislili na SAD ili Kanadu a Air Serbia nastala prije manje od 2 godine a politicari i braco na ovom blogu u komentarima vec prica o SAD/Kanada i Airbus A330. Svaki drugi dan politicari pricaju o ovim letovima i svaki drugi dan se pitaju koja ce destinacija biti prva a braco mali iz Srbije svaki dan i svaku noc spominje letove koji samo sto se nisu zapoceli i koji se svake sekunde trebaju uvesti.
A sto se tice LJU i ZAG, a takoder i SJJ. ZAG ima brojni kompanija koji kroz transfer nude letove preko bare (par puta dnevno, ne 5 puta sedmicno) i nece nikada vise biti onako puno putnika iz ZAG preko BEG kao prije ratova i raspada Jugoslavije, LJU takoder je isto dobro spojena sa Star Alliance hubovima a ono putnika sa SJJ sto lete preko bare imaju odlicne mogucnost sto se tice letova za SAD/Kanada preko Istanbula. A tu je i Austrian Airlines i Lufthansa a sada i Swiss.
Ja vjerujem a mislim da je i realno tako misliti, da Air Serbia nece napredni 15-20 godina imati Airbus A330 u floti i da nece biti letova preko bare a mozda njih nece nikada ni biti barem dok smo mi ovdje prisutni. Takoder i Croatia Airlines je malena i nista nece ni s njima biti, jedino ako bude kao Air Transat neka kompanija ili neka kompanija na putu za SAD sleti u ZAG i pokupi putnike. Inace nazalost ne.
hahahahha na to sam i ja prvo pomislio. Odmah mi je bilo sumnjivo jer nema klasicnih gresaka koje Marko inace pravi. Ko zna, mozda je pisao uz pomoc recnika, ipak je prvi put pisao.
Nazalost, kompanije iz bivse Jugoslavije su malene za tako velike stvari. Jedno je JAT Yugoslav Airlines bilo, jedno je Air Serbia i Croatia Airlines.
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Aegean has 44 A320/21 and also14 Q400 but still doesn't try to fly to the US despite having a much bigger hub in ATH than JU in BEG.
Probably because it operates as a business instead as a political project.
Ocigledno nisi koristio ove letove niti si skoro konsultovao geografsku mapu. Ako se malo pogeldas shvatices zasto I pored dobrih cjena nasi ljudi izbjegavaju transfer via IST ako ikako mogu (4-5 extra sati leta plus ocajan transfer u IST). ZRH je opcija iz US, ne iz Kanade. Pored ovih kao sto si pomenuo imas samo LH/OS via MUC/VIE. Sobzirom da su LH, LX I OS prakticno jedna kompanija, imaju virutalni monopol na ovom trzistu koji se reflektuje u cjenama (SJJ tradicionlano najskuplja destinacija u exYU).
Imajte u vidu da se svadjate sa jednim klincem i samo mu dajete vise povoda da pise sta pise a posle kukate, isti ste k'o i on.
http://www.b92.net/biz/fokus/intervju.php?yyyy=2015&mm=09&nav_id=1038298
Right now big US3 are not competing in that space as they enjoying merger benefits, cheap oil and record profits, but they are closely watching LCC developments in the long haul market, from Norwegian, Eurowings, Air Canada Rouge, Westjet etc. They also want to do it right and avoid Song or Ted 2.0. Air Serbia should be ready to adapt to less permium layout in the near future, and market realities point to that outcome. Take a look at Air Canada Rouge 767 with economy, extra legroom economy (for a fee) and premium economy:
https://www.aircanada.com/en/about/fleet/b767-300rouge.html
Najgora solucija je porudzbina A330 Neo njbolja opcija je A350 zbog buducih razvojnih planova.
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http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Etihad_Airways/Etihad_Airways_Airbus_A330-200.php
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=652419671570258&set=gm.865854136804294&type=3&theater
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I wouldn't be surprised if Aegean gets its own terminal, just like Olympic Airways had its own back at Elliniko.
Da, i koriste ga na liniji za ICN gde isto tako leti KE tako da to nije problem. Plus, postoji mogucnost da im dostave jos jedan A333. Na kraju krajeva ta linija za Seul je tu zato sto KE nije mogao da dodje do jos letova za PRG.
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Rumunski GDP je cak veci od madjarskog ali po tebi Srbiju ne mozes porediti sa HU.
It is designed that way, it doesn't even has walls on than end only glass windows.
There is already a satellite terminal on the right side with jet bridges that they started using again two years ago.
This year they expect record passenger traffic of 18 million+.
1. They can bring back the pre-crisis plan for the small satellite terminal when they wanted to link it to the main terminal building. This could be a good move given the increased number of flights to non-Schengen countries.
2. On the other side of the terminal where the remote stands are, there is room between them to place another two satellite terminals.
3. Finally, there is space on the other side of the parking where a whole new terminal can be built. This was all part of the mega plan from about a decade ago.
The management said that they will look into various different ways in which they can expand the capacity. In my opinion they will go for the expansion of the non-Schengen area as it can get quite crowded during peak hours. Also, it's worth mentioning the Aegean has announce quite a few non-Schengen flights for next summer so they will need all the space they can get.
Athens management will first of all discuss this with Aegean as they are their most important customer there.
With the light blue roof are the future terminal expansions. With the white roof in the front and on the right side of the tower is the present terminal:
http://www.naco.nl/assets/images/Projects/EU/GR_ATH_Athens-april-2006-3D-01-cropped.jpg
Since the Canadians took over, Singapore Airlines returned under new terms and conditions. Aegean got much more support. Ryanair started flying out of Athens etc.
Although I like to observe and wish my country of birth success, I realize that the biggest thing holding Serbia back isn't some western conspiracy against it, but rather a primitive society and mentality, such as those who are upset with people emigrating.
Just from my recent visit to Serbia a few weeks ago, I realize how disorderly and messed up the entire country still is. I could never live there again. Empty bottles and garbage everywhere, people crossing the street anywhere to catch a tram, graffiti and vandalism, everything destroyed and no respect for public property.
My family moved away because we are unable to tolerate living in such disorder. Until the people who continue to live in Serbia change their mentality, there can be no progress.
Ne ja idem kad ja hocu
Sorry pal, it's not like we survive here thanks to the charity send from the other side of the ocean.
Remittance is a huge part of the Serbian economy. In 2004 Serbia got more remittance than PAKISTAN, BRAZIL, and EGYPT. Without those $4.200.000.000 that year Serbia would be on the same level as Albania.
It is also billions of dollars of borrowed money. New billions every year, the mountain just keep piling up.
Alas, one day those who left the country will die. Their children will be born abroad and will have no wish to send the cash back to anyone.
Even before that, the international loan window will close. There will be nowhere to borrow more billions.
Then you will see who you are and where you are.
This btw comes from a sad Serb who was born and raised in Serbia so no need to counterattack Croatia.
Don't worry, there will be fresh diaspora and fresh Gasterbajters as long as Serbia stays like this.
One of the best investments Serbia can do is to educate students so they can move away and then send money back.
Give us a break. I love how all those self-righteous members of diaspora nag and bitch.
Hey, you left Serbia. Forget about it now and move on.
You are as bad as those who you spit on. If you really cared about Serbia you would stop sending money because you are helping keep the system alive.
Aegean nema takvih letova, ni TAROM, ni CSA, ni Air Bulgaria, ni Budimpešta, ali nasla se Air Serbia. Gde ce da nadju pare za te letove? Odakle bogamu?
2. Diaspora sends money to relatives, not to keep any system in place. The only ones who can change the system are those still in Serbia.
3. Nothing in Serbia is successful without foreign control because Serbs as a nation have a primitive mindset. They do not realize that the only way to achieve the wealth and standards of West Europe and North America is by changing their habits and behavior. It is 2015 and I still saw people smoking inside bus stations, I saw someone simply throw a bag of chips onto the ground, and other anti-social behavior.
Also, JU doesnt have an ac neither is the price final. There is a speculation to what it COULD be but no definate answer.
RO is currently slightly smaller than JU is pax numbers, OK is decreasing however has 1 A330 they use for ICN, FB is also smaller than JU. BUD also sees daily widebody service from EK.
Balkans to the US has alot of room for expansion, a monopoly held by the LH group (OS, LX and LH),
AB - 19/279 = 298
AZ - 20/263 = 283
HM - 18/236 = 254
9W - 18/236 = 254
I imagine a layout similar to AB and EY, with the AZ capacity.
Capacity can quickly increase both ac and routes. ZAG was announced 1 month before launch with 2 daily flights from day 1.
ZAG, LJU, TGD, TIV are year round 2 daily or more. ATH, SKG and SKP are seasonal 2 daily, winter daily. SJJ, TIA and OTP need additional frequencies. DBV and SPU have potential for all year daily. PRN is on the bucket list. ZAD and BWK are looking for connections to BEG.
Lets not forget that althought A3 and TK have an extensive network in Europe, many pax still fly via BEG to European destinations. JU could easily facilitate pax for SJJ, TGD, TIV, OTP, SOF, ATH, SKG, TIA, SKP, VAR, LCA, IST, LJU, DBV, SPU, BNX, BEY, TLV. And thats not adding any new destinations, just more ac and a possible touch up of the timetable, which isnt unrealistic to expect.
Jat nova revija was initally in latinca, a few years later it became in cyrillic. Jat had all their billboards and adds in latinica. All their products were written in latinica. All signage when in Serbian on the aircraft was in latinica.
There is no info on the ac they will use, amount they will use, nothing really.
Compare that with the only officially announced aircraft to fly 2016 between Notrh America and Ex Yu region in 2016: Air Transat A332. Config is 0J+345(Y and Y+ combined).
262 vs 345 for identical aircraft, 32% more seats. Is anyone on this site ready to accept the challenge of comparing A332 CASK for ASL and TS?
JU can't match TS's config because they need to keep Etihad's image up, although I think low fares is actually what most passengers from SE Europe want.
Tarom 2,34 million pax
Air Serbia 2,30 million pax
Tarom 23 planes
Air Serbia 20 planes
Tarom 76 destinations
Air Serbia 41 destinations
Still no long-haul.
BUD widebody from EK for sure is not a same as widebody to USA.
Aegean with 44 planes, 84 destinations and 10,1 million pax. doesn't even have a plan to open long-haul.
Kažeš da je kompanija dodala dvije dodatne učestalosti/učestanosti odnosno frekvencije. U nastavku kažeš da se broj frekvencija smanjuje.
Iskoristiću ovu priliku da vas opet sve upozorim da bi zbilja trebali naučiti ispravno kristiti pojam frekvencije.
Let nije jednako frekvencija!
Kompanije ne mogu dodati učestalost/učestanost/frekvenciju jer frekvencija predstavlja broj dogadjaja u jednoj sekundi ili nekom drugom, posmatranom vremenskom intervalu.
U MKSA sistemu, jedinica za frekvenciju je obično jedan kroz sekund (1/s=1Hz, Hertz, Herc)
Frekvencija ne može biti dodata ili oduzeta nego se frekvencija uvećava ili smanjuje kada se respektivno povećava odnosno smanjuje broj dogadjaja u posmatranom vremenskom intervalu. Ne mora samo sekunda biti taj interval vremena, mogu to biti i sedmica, mjesec, zimska ili ljetna sezona.
Avio-kompanije dodaju letove na postojeće rute ili dodaju nove rute.
Kad dodaju letove na postojeće, frekvencija raste.
Kad ukidaju letove na postojećoj ruti, frekvencija se smanjuje, u žargonu, frekvencija pada.
Frekvencija nekog dogadjaja dakle može biti: 2 puta sedmično, 3 puta mjesečno, milion puta u sekundi.
Dakle, kad kompanija ustanovi novu liniju, ista ne može reći da je dodala još jednu frekvenciju!
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1 ac, the A310 (YR-LCB) is mainly used for government, currently in the US.
The 76 destinations I assume you took from wikipedia. listing also the charter and codeshare destinations. Total up the charter and codeshare destinations of JU.
A3 has 3 hubs and 6 focus cities compared to JU with 1 hub. Only 46 is ex ATH and year round. JU has 33 year round destinations excluding BUD and LCA.
BUD has no national carrier unlike BEG. BUD also has 2 seasonal Canadian flights with TS, and next summer with RV. I dont see why we cant include EK to DXB, currently operating their A332 soon to be B77W - daily.
HM has 2 A332's from EY in Emirati registration and with a different configuration to EY.
Austrian has 80 aircraft.
TK has almost 300 aircraft!
And they are all profitable.
JU on the other hand has to radically reduce winter flying and can not even facilitate, easily or not a single route to Ukraine or Egypt.
How is it going to compete with them?
How is it going to fill up an A330 to JFK?
Offer 300€ tickets? For how long before it goes bankrupt?
Of course it wont be Vucic paying for them from his own pocket but everyone else.
So that is 80 destinations during the slow season.
Between April and October it flies to 130 destinations total...
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I bet you mention Ukraine and Egypt due to KBP and CAI not opening from the original plan?
BEG has a demand for JFK, just as to how much daily is something Ive been trying to unsuccessfully google. AUH currently has a decent amount of transit pax on it, so I am certain JFK would have a healthy transit load.
Remember, the ex-YU is not really well connected to transatlantic destinations and there is room for another player. It is dominated by Star Alliance who charge quite a bit, giving SJJ as an example compared to BEG who has a bit more variety.
As for A3, Greece has a huge tourism which for sure A3 has a decent slice of. European tourists bound for example Santorini will not be in need of ATH-JFK flights. Once again, the 58 ac (including OA) is spread out of several hubs and focus cities.
A3 has 83 destinations or 98 including OA, including the summer season destinations (quite less than the 130).
As far as last summer goes (2015), A3 had roughly 1.5 aircraft based in LCA, 1 in RHO and 3 in HER.
For quite some time now there were rumours that Aegean might start its own long-haul flying. However, Aegean knows that they are not ready for such a move as their hub system leaves a lot to be desired.
One advantage that A3 has (and that JU failed to achieve) is that it cooperates with many different airlines in Athens. Some of them are Turkish Airlines, Egyptair, Singapore Airlines, SAS...
In my opinion, the main difference between JU and A3 is that JU is doing everything more or less on its own (+ Etihad) while Aegean has partnered up with many different carriers, as mentioned above. It's also worth mentioning that Aegean has good cooperation with both Qatar and Etihad despite both being on bad terms with Lufthansa, one of Aegean's most important partner.
What no one has mentioned until now is that in the past year and a half, Aegean's A321 fleet has doubled from 4 to 8 aircraft. In 2015 they will receive another A320, bringing the total fleet to 36 aircraft. Older birds are operating out of HER and RHO while their newest ones have been flying quite a lot out of Larnaca- which makes a lot of sense.
Aegean this summer season was flying in 130 destinations.
They advertised extensively about it.
Wikipedia on the other hand does not even list on Aegean's page the destinations flown by Olympic branded Q400!
Instead of Wiki you should trust the companies webpage and public statements to investors.
440 daily flights.
https://youtu.be/9_ss-oq1Tig?t=52s
Belgrade geographically is ideal for connections from those countries to North America.
It is also ideal for connections from other M.E countries like Cyprus, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia. Kuwait, Jordan, Iran and also from Caucasus countries of Armenia and Georgia who despite large expatriate populations in America do not have direct flights.
Hungary as well.
JU needs to connect all those countries reliably with BEG to feed it's transatlantic schedule.
Instead it tries to build a house starting from the roof!
Air Serbia's main competitors are not other Ex Yu carriers but Austrian, Aegean, Turkish and Wizz Air.
Same reason why AA uses A321T with less than 20% floor space for Economy, and more than 80% floor space for premium configs on JFK-LAX routes and not on fictional Chattanooga, Tennessee to Kalamazoo, Michigan line.
Air Transat and Air Canada Rouge are far more ideal for Summer destinations for tourists and diaspora in Ex Yu, Greece, Italy, North Africa and Spain than luxurious Etihad configured cabins.
But Alitalia's network to the USA from Rome is the most direct competitor to JU for Serbian and American passengers.
JU needs to price those tickets competitively to be successful.
What do you think?
Or maybe somebody serious will buy it and run it professionally.
Then ASL will be in trouble.
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Sandwiches I think are only for domestic flights.