wow that's a lot of growth. Croatia Airlines should be worried.

They should finally open a base in Dubrovnik. They offer so many flights now.

Split isnt in this wave ?

There is no more space at Split both capacity and slot wise on many days.

I think they started Zadar because they could not Split.

We need them back in Zagreb.

Yesterday it was published here that DBV said no to Ryanair's conditions and I am glad they did. There are obviously plenty of other airlines that want to fly from Dubrovnik.

Hopefully they will start Zagreb next year or in 2018.

Why did they leave? High fees or low demand?

Thank god DBV will open another terminal by next summer

Flew (a few days ago) on DBV-ZAG-CDG route, passed through one part of the new terminal in Dubrovnik, easily the best looking terminal in Ex-Yu, looks amazing!

Nice. Easy Jet is by far the best budget airline. Much better service than Wizz, and miles better than Ryan.

What I don't get is that this is an airline offering a million seats yet they don't fly to a single city through the whole year.

600k is really impressive on a seasonal basis.

Not even one of these destinations is a destination OU flies to (except Milan and this is seasonally and from Zagreb), so how should they be worried about these new routes...

How was the LF on both flights?

Any information about other new routes they will fly to Zadar? I doubt they'll keep it just to this one?

Zadar really misses a connection to the Netherlands hopefully transavia, easyjet or ryanair will start that route from Amsterdam, Rotterdam or Eindhoven.

Ok, so on the 27th of November I went DBV-ZAG (LF around 90%). The next day ZAG-CDG OU/codeshare AF (LF more than 90%) and then CDG-JFK with Air France (economy class almost 100% full, not sure about Business or Premium economy). On my way back, 10th/11th of December: JFK-CDG (also almost 100% full in economy class), CDG-ZAG with OU (LF around 90%, but only one person in business class), ZAG-DBV (LF 80-85%).

Because Dubrovnik airport is expensive as hell and because they are probably not interested in subsidising airlines for basing an aircraft.

Because the demand is really limited during the winter months. What surprises me is that they are ignoring ZAG, the biggest single market in the country!!

I wonder why OU doesn't add more flights to CDG if flights are always full.

People should avoid easy at all cost

That can only indicat high fees. And they will increase again from 1.3.17

Because these are ALL routes they should/could have operated. Others are stealing their lunch while OU is doing nothing.

Do you know by how they are increasing them?! But if the airport was already expensive before now it will become even more so.

OT: Turkish to increase Dubrovnik-Istanbul from the beginning of the summer timetable to daily.

Strange. They increase DBV to daily while ZAG gets reduced to 10 weekly.

They flew daily during this summer.

Excellent news for DBV. What are the passenger estimates for next year?

Low demand wasn't for sure.

My guess was that the market was there but it wasn't willing to pay enough to fly so that the flights make enough money for the airline.

2,4m, 20pc up.

Yeah I also wonder what's the reason for your comment. Out the big 3 LCCs, they are the best. Much better than Wizz and Ryan. Not to mention they fly to primary airports.

Croatia is getting more and more popular each year

Split has much higher potential than Zadar but their taxes and additional costs they charge are extremely high, esp. compared to ZAD - possibly U2 estimates still good enough sales due to lower total sales prices for customers at ZAD.

But sure, capacity restrictions can also be an issue.

Yeah, DBV has no problem either in attracting airlines or pax. And as the manager said, they have all the money they need

Cause Kresimir Kucko business genius and airline expert

Split is full so they diverted to Zadar

New routes and increases in 2017. at DBV, not just easy.
Probably between 15 and 25 percent growth

So in 2018 we can expect close to 3 million passengers in DBV!

And OU is getting smaller and smaller... think about that.

What strikes me is that there is also considerable diaspora from Southern Bosnia and area around Split living in Germany, Austria and Scandinavia.

Yet there are no services to both Split and Mostar in winter other than few OU/4U Germany feeder (FRA, MUC, CGN, STR). MUC is also served by LH in winter.

But nothing to Vienna, Berlin, Britain and whole Scandinavia. Whenever I am down there on the coast between SPU and DBV in winter, I come across lots of tourists compared to 10 years before - mainly older British tourists. How do they get there during OCT-APR? All via German hubs?

Also here from Vienna, you are forced driving 10 hours by car as air fares are mostly totally crazy (usually way above Kn 2000 return, mostly around Kn 2400-2800 if you want a quick connection during daytime) for two short flights of 50mins duration via ZAG.

Some winter LCC services will do wonders to SPU during off season. Can they not lower charges during this part of year only?
There is definately demand to serve main cities outside of ZAG and Germany.

This is a perfect chance for Ryanair for opening a route from Eindhoven to Zadar since there's no direct connection between the Netherlands and Zadar.

I'm sure this route would be very profitable, if you keep in mind the region around Eindhoven has more than 2 million inhabitants.

Sotheby's is opening their office in Split in 2017, they announced it a few days ago. Rich people coming to buy houses/villas.

OT:
W6 to open a base at VAR starting from July 2017

About 2,5 mil! 3 mil is too much.

Great. But keep in mind that you have to offer a lot of things to rich people, not only sun and sea, and for sure avoid that attitude of working only a couple of months and pretend a lot of money out of it. This is what I noticed many times in Dalmatia. I'm from Istria, btw. Things are a bit better here in Pula.

is easy jet the busiest foreign airline in Croatia?

ZAG needs new routes that can be served by airlines like U2. They should covert the current terminal for LCCs when the new one opens.

Not gonna happen... the French need everyone to move to the new terminal so that they can get their return on investment.

I was talking about 2018, not 2017.

Pula and Istra were always light years ahead of the rest of the country. ;)

Svejedno, 3 mil mozda tek 2019., tesko prije.

Chova je napisao: close to 3 million. :)

OU 367 14.12.2016

We were not more than 15 pax.

No, I think it's Lufthansa.

OT

Anyone know if some of the JU planes went for C checks?

YU-AND is flying the whole day today

BEG-CPH-BEG
BEG-SJJ-BEG
BEG-ZRH-BEG

YU-ANI today

BEG-DUS-BEG
BEG-SKP-BEG

Also, seems like LO has upgraded BEG to an E75 destination (88 seats) up from the E70 (70 seats). Last week it even sent its E95 with a capacity of 112 seats!

Let's see what they have in store for summer!

How much can Zadar actually accommodate before they need an expansion ?
I mean, once they hit the 1 mil. pax mark how further can they go with the existing terminal ?

5 years after they finish all these new terminals on the Adriatic, they will hit their max :)
And Split way before that lol

The other day I was at Zag airport and the flight to SKP seemed totally packed, while the flight to SJJ was about 50% LF

INI is next

A ta tri meleona ce da spava gde?

This was the 'night' flight back. Was yours in the afternoon?

pa majku mu valjda ce prosiriti kapacitet... neka putuju severnije od grada.

Dubrovnik might hit 2.3 million next year, if all goes well. Anything over 2.3 million would be a major success.

Croatia's Airport next year.

Zagreb: 3 070 000 (3.25 million if things really go well)
Split: 2 570 000 (2.7 million possible)
Dubrovnik: 2 300 000 (2.4 million possible)
Zadar: 575 000 (625 000 possible)
Pula: 475 000 (500 000 possible)
Rijeka: 175 000 (200 000 possible)
Osijek: 40 000

Total: ~9.2 million (~9.7 million if all goes well)

Just to add, did some projections for Croatia by 2020.

Croatia's Airport next year.

Zagreb: 4 500 000 (5.0 million if 30 foreign Carriers)
Split: 3 250 000 (4.0 million possible)
Dubrovnik: 3 000 000 (3.5 million possible)
Zadar: 800 000 (875 000 possible)
Pula: 720 000 (800 000 possible)
Rijeka: 375 000 (500 000 possible)
Osijek: ~80 000

Total: ~12.7 million (~14.7 million if all goes well)

^^

Slight error, meant to say

Croatia's Airport year 2020.

Zagreb: 3 070 000 (3.25 million if things really go well)
Split: 2 570 000 (2.7 million possible)
Dubrovnik: 2 300 000 (2.4 million possible)
Zadar: 575 000 (625 000 possible)
Pula: 475 000 (500 000 possible)
Rijeka: 175 000 (200 000 possible)
Osijek: 40 000

Total: ~9.2 million (~9.7 million if all goes well)

Odlicno je sto pregovaraju sa U2 .
Nadam se da ce i INI uspeti da privuce U2 da leti za INI i otvori nove Destinacije sto bi donelo vise putnika INI.
INN-NS

@ AnonymousDecember 14, 2016 at 10:29 AM

+2 euros per passanger for international flights
+0.5 for domestic

Yes it was the afternoon flight for both skp and sjj

Bravo Hrvatska!

Brac airport is in the middle of an upgrade of its runway. Mali Losinj is also to expand.
Currently they both handle about 10k

super je kad netko da odgovor a nigdje pitanja.

DBV has and will have only one terminal.

Zadar will probably get more than 600.000 passengers in 2017. I dont know what the maximum capacity is.

easyJet said they are sure this new route will become successful. If you read it between the lines they will probably open new routes from Zadar. Split is almoste full an Zadar has the space for growing.

I don't think easyJet will open routes from Eindhoven to Zadar, easyJet is concentrating it business in the Netherlands on Amsterdam.

I think this would be a perfect route for Ryanair or Transavia as both airlines have a base at Eindhoven.

I think they should start flights from Zagreb to Düsseldorf

Zadar probably is maximum capacity about 1 million if the growth continious they will be at the max in a couple of years

Dubrovnik is too expensive for LCC i think they will earlier base an aircraft in Zadar than in Dubrovnik