It's going to be Dusseldorf - Ljubljana and/or Munich - Ljubljana. Or even both by Eurowings.

Great news for Ljubljana Airport. I'm glad things are finally picking up with new airlines and routes, plans for a terminal expansion and passenger numbers growing.

It will be DUS-LJU. They won't create extra competition for Adria on the Munich route (they actually sell Adria tickets for this route on the Eurowings website).

So this year we have as new airlines Transavia and Dniproavia and possibly Eurowings.

I'm surprised Adria does not fly from Dusseldorf considering the passenger flow between Slovenia and Germany.

"It is important for Slovenia to be connected with the rest of the world, no matter which airline provides the service. As long as they are safe and offer affordable fares to the public"

The benefit of having a 100% privatised national airline. I guarantee that the new Kiev flights are the result of the ministry's work, not the airport's. And that is a good thing.

Well I think the majority of that passenger flow is constrained between Frankfurt and Munich. Adria cancelled Berlin because of poor loads and discontinued sales for Cologne before it was even launched.

Not bad. Shame about Aegean not coming back though.

Ryanair would be an absolute hit and give a lot of airlines in LJU a run for their money.

Whoever it is I hope they don't start London. We have enough of those :D up to three daily flights on some days.

Nice. How many passengers can we expects Ljubljana to end up with this year?

Will there be ANA charters from Japan like last year?

Has Lufthansa ever flown to LJU?

Great! Will be nice to see their B777 back in Ljubljana.

Airport management last week said growth should be 7%.

Eurowings expansion in ex-Yu has been crazy this year. I put it down for them having a Croatian dude as their route planner. Joking but it is good news for the region.

Wizz and easy have extremely good loads on the route to London. So even a third airline on this route would be welcomed but I would prefer some other airport in the UK. Maybe Manchester?

I think Norwegian is coming soon too.

Attracting more and more LCCs is the best way to compete against Zagreb at the moment. And also the best way too boost passenger numbers. Just look at what Sofia has done in less than a year.

Just 7%? Their growth this year has been well above that.

Hope so

Adria serves Manchester seasonally so I think there is demand there.

17 flights per week from Ljubljana to London in S17 and three destinations in the UK. Not bad for an airport of Ljubljana's size.

+1 future looking good

Yes but many years ago...

Haplek

They will also announce Mostar flights this year too.

Fraport finally woke up from their sleep. I think that LJU's growth will be positive, steady and healthy too. Time for LJU not to depend that much on JP. The best of luck!

Yes but remember that the last quarter of last year was strong so this double digit growth won't keep up all year.

And Brac next year. They are also expected to announce Nis as well.

Yes, definitely Liverpool, Leeds Bradford and/or Manchester would be good for those who live north of Watford.

DUS-LJU will be max 1 per week as there simply is not sufficient demand to fill an 319. It is as simple as that. Not to talk about MUC!

Does anyone know the busiest unserved routes from Ljubljan?

I think DUB is a logic choice. Flights to almost all EU capitals.

Dusseldorf is actually one of the top unserved routes from LJU.

Berlin, Cologne, Dublin, Dusseldorf and Madrid.

Is ANA also coming to Dubrovnik?

Ok thanks. Can they surpass 2008 record?

Well the problem is that there is simply not so much demand. Attracting LCCs alone doesn`t help, if markets like Berlin with 4 million inhabitants or Bercelona do not work (Easyjet flew, Adria flew and Vueling flew). Lets first wait how long the Transavia flights will last. Its nice thes started, but they have to stay! If Adria cannot fly to FRA 4 times a dy with 319 it shows a lot.

Berlin? Cologne? They were cancelled by Easyjet and Adria, because unprofitble and Cologne cancelled before ever started due to poor bookings.

Yes. Both will be back like last year.

According to stats they are top unserved routes. That is probably the reason why both routes were launched in the first place. But it does not have to mean that the routes would be successful. It could be that LJU is connected to all destinations where there is sufficient demand.

Not this year.

And also Milan, Oslo, Rome and Sofia.

Converting LJU in an LCC airport?

Norwegian needs to come here. I want a nonstop or 1 stop flight to Stockholm for 100€ or less from Lju not venice or Zagreb.

Also known as "doing a Skopje"

10.05 is correct. For example New York is among the top unversed destination for many airports in ex-Yu but it does not mean that direct flights would actually be profitable or successful.

JP should go for DUS (but only if it offers good connection to SKP, SJJ & PRN).DUS is a major ex-yu gastarbeiter destination. They are making the same mistake as OU.

Im bit surprised that CGN didnt work tho.

or codeshare with Eurowings

1. Cologne
2. Stuttgart
3. Berlin
4. Dusseldorf
5. Hamburg

That is pattern by Eurowings especially that Adria is serving MUC and VIE with cutting frequencies for years now on those routes. So LH will not put here competition to weak Adria.

It would be fantastic to finally get some scheduled flights to Spain again so I'm really hoping for Vueling.

Među 97 novih linija iz aerodroma regije Ljubljana je definitivno među posljednjima (zajedno sa Bračem, Nišom i Osijekom). Jako slab napredak u komparaciji sa konkurencijom.

Evo vam i konkretnih podataka:

https://tangosix.rs/2017/25/04/nove-linije-u-regiji-ove-sezone-tko-je-vise-a-tko-manje-uspjesan/

What does "top" mean in terms of passenger numbers expected?

I agree. I think Spain and Scandinavia are underserved from Ljubljana and there is potential for these two markets.

Slovenia is the last EU country that is not served by Ryanair. Hope this changes soon!

Maribor is more suitable for Ryanair as Ljubljana I believe.

Bad news for Adria.

Well if they continue attracting LCCs to compete directly on Adria routes then yeas. They have already done it with Transavia to Amsterdam and easyjet to London.

This way LJU could overtake ZAG in a matter of time.

Some suggestions for LJU:

- Try to get Paris flights upgraded from HOP! to AF
- Try to get Finnair fly year round, not just seasonally
- More LCCs - Norwegian should be a priority so people can connect to their transatlantic flights
- End Turkish monopoly on Istanbul route. Try to attract Atlasglobal

LJU has a great option and position to develope into a hybrid airport...mix of legacy and LCC

It just shows how the aviation business is always changing. Last year were dissapointed with declining figures at LJU and overall bad situation. This year we are celebrating strong growth, up to four new airlines and new terminal.

Given that charges at LJU are going down and that they are attracting new lowcost carriers, numbers will keep on rising and I see many people from Croatia using Ljubljana to fly.

Finally some more low cost options from Ljubljana.

'Stoga je za očekivati da u konačnici Beograd ima rast broja putnika.'

Не знам шта тачно значи ,у коначници' али једно је сигурно, аеродром у Београду већ бележи солидни раст и тај тренд ће се наставити до краја године.

Уједно, вреди напоменути да летови као што су Загреб-Хелсинки/Букурешт/Осло су сезонски и питање је да ли ће се поново успоставити. Сви знамо како је ОУ прошла када се осмелила да обави неколико чартера из Осијека за Даблин.

As charges and fees keep on rising in ZAG, LJU will start to become far more appealing to many out there.

Is it just me or has Fraport changed its strategy in LJU?

Ryanair Lviv _ Ljubljana can work perfectly!

Fuel is already high in LJU and with the new terminal,fees and taxes most probl will increase too. At least passenger airport taxes

Did they have a strategy?

Overtake ZAG? Hahahaha, you wish!

Wow, based on 2 low cost carriers people predict a bright future for LJU? Let's not jump to conclusions!

Elaborate why Spain yes and Italy no, please.

eh stare austrougarske veze. Umesto vozom vi bi aviJonom.

Not next year but in the next five years it could happen especially since ZAG will more or less stagnate.

Again, you wish!

"By working on marketing, we aim to encourage airlines to launch new routes and increase passenger numbers at the airport, particularly from neighbouring countries and thus reduce the outflow of local passengers to neighbouring airports".

Smart. One of the main issues for Ljubljana is that it is bleading passengers to Zagreb and Venice.

You have Trieste for Bari, Sicily and Rome and for everything else you have their high speed train network. The proximity of Italy means that it's easier to get to with other ways of travel too, which is often cheaper than a flight ticket. FlixBus has really good fares from LJ to Rome and I doubt it that anyone else than ryanair could compete it and they already operate Rome flights from Trieste which is 1h drive away from LJ.

As a cheap person, who saves every cent on as much things as possible, I'd really like a connecting flight to USA with Norwegian. A return ticket for 400€ from my doorstep is perfect for me since I'd not be buying lunch, checked baggage or even seat reservation.

People did the same when EW announced a mere two weekly DUS-ZAG

Imas li ti predstavu da do Djenove ima vise nego do Beograda 120 km? O jugu da ne pricamo.

Don't forget that the vast majority of trade happens between Northern Italy and the western half of Slovenia, much of which is almost equidistant between Venice and Ljubljana, with the closest airport being in Trieste.

I think between the three Italian airports and the public transport options - bus/train to Venice and then high-speed Freccia trains to Milan, Rome, etc. there isn't much leftover demand for flighs to Italy.

OT Admin, it seems that JU has cancelled some flights to New York in the beginning of October. Any information ?

The aircraft is scheduled to undergo maintenance and will have to be taken out of service.

It's great to see some positive news coming from Slovenia again with both Adria and Ljubljana Airport recovering.

it`s good they are conservative- altogether with DUS and CGN- which are a mere 45km apart, they offer a daily product to ZAG. Actually quite good!

No, "doing a Skopje" has been adopted by the art scene to mean doing something quickly in a faux baroque style to fabricate legacy. It's becoming the butt of jokes in certain European circles.

Don't mix Wizz Air success with such international embarrassment.

What people usually do is to fly to Zagrab and then take ground transport to LJU as ZAG is slightly cheaper. If FR ever arrive, it'll be the other way round.

ZAG will have this year:
- 9 new routes and 28 weekly flights on those new routes

- +11 more weekly flights on old routes, this year.

- Out of those 8 new flights are with long-haul planes

- +much bigger planes on Lufthansa, LOT, Croatia, Qatar... flights than last year

So it is not about DUS-ZAG route at all, which increase is insignificant compare to what is happening in ZAG this year.

Please do read more data about regional expansion here:

https://tangosix.rs/2017/25/04/nove-linije-u-regiji-ove-sezone-tko-je-vise-a-tko-manje-uspjesan/

I doubt it, Norwegian is set to create base in Zagreb, they're in advance stage of setting things up. They'll announce their plans by year's end. They;ll serve at least 3 destinations next year out of Zagreb with two more in 2019 for total of 6. If all goes well they might 2 more in 2020 for total of 7.

Vueling is also looking at setting up a base in Zagreb, and Eurowings/Germanwings will do so this year, they're looking at basing at least one A319 in Zagreb. Bon/Koln, Hamburg, Berlin, Stuttgart, Dusseldorf will be served out of Zagreb from next year year round on a daily basis. Flights to Hanover, Leipzig and Nuremberg are also on the cards by 2020.

Činjenica će Beograd i sa novim linijama Wizza i drugih imati negativan broj, tj. manje tjednih letova nego prošle godine. No, kao što sam u tekstu i napisao, LCC će ovaj gap nadoknaditi. To smanjenje Air Serbije još nije nastupilo i vidjet će se tek u top sezoni kada su ta rezanja i aktualna.

Na zagrebački broj putnika neće toliko utjecati tih 4 sezonske linije, iako naravno da će i one doprijnjeti. Daleko više će doprinjeti povećanja Lufthanse, Qatara, ČSA, LOT-a, Iberie, Air Transata i Norwegina koji otvara cjelogodišnju liniju. No, daleko najviše će pridonjeti svakodnevni letovi Emiratesa sa 777-300. Govorimo o 260.000 ponuđenih sjedala godišnje. Naravno neće se sva popuniti, Emirates ima prosječan LF oko 80%, no na novoj liniji malo je vjerojatno da će imati toliku popunjenost, ali mi ipak govorimo o debeloj šesteroznamenkastoj brojci novih putnika koje će akumulirati samo Emirates.

It's funny how the same government has had their hands in both stories.. :)

Hilarious post though.

OK,this year 2 new routes in LJU compare to 9 ZAG new routes including Emirates.

ZAG stagnate? Almost 500.000 new passengers in last 3 years compare to 80.000 more passengers in LJU in last 3 years?

Now really?

I think Norwegian could easily start a weekly flight to Scandinavia from LJU. And the plans for the Zagreb base seem very optimistic. It seems nice, but too optimistic in my opinion.

How long YU-ARA will be out of service ? A week, more ?

@Anonymous April 27, 2017 at 2:49 PM:
Is there any truth about ZAG becoming a Norwegian base? How credible is the source?

How many of those 9 are seasonal? LJU growth is only coming soon especially with the new scheme introduced

Какве везе има то што Ер Србија нуди мање летова када бележе раст путника? Узмимо фебруар као пример, ту је ред летења био десеткован али су ипак имали 7% више путника.

Београдски аеродром је већ прошао кроз неколико смањења од стране Ер Србије тако да ово неће бити ништа ново. Оно шта је битно је то да остале авио-компаније солидно послују. Дакле ја не бринем за наш аеродром, он ће наставити да расте и да консолидује своје позицију као број један у регији бивше Југославије. Свима је јасно да му нико не може ни примирисати.

На крају крајева, сваки аеродром више брине да има путнике него број авио-операција. Шта ће вредети Загребу то што ће добити Емирате ако они не буду у могућности да напуне сва та седишта? Тачно је да им је просечна попуњеност 80% али то је зато што на неким линијама имају 95% док је на неким то свега 50%. Треба видети на ком делу спектрума ће се наћи Загреб. Што се Емирата тиче, ја само кажем да се не залећемо већ да видимо како ће пословати, посебно током зимских месеци када загребачки аеродром нема ни 200.000 путника.

Сва та увећања страних авио-компанија је одлична ствар за све који лете из/за Загреб. Исто тако, претпостављам да схваташ да је то симптоматично за све аеродроме где је локални превозник релативно слаб. Да је Кроацијан јака и солидна фирма, странцима би било знатно теже да се изборе за део колача.


Но добро, живи били па видели.

And spend 4 hours at the border, probably missing their flight

In a matter of time
MBX with SHS Aviation 5.5 M
LJU 3.5 M
ZAG 1.8 M

U veljači red letenja nije bio ništa više desetkovan nego u istom periodu godinu prije.

Naravno da manji broj letova ima utjecaja na broj putnika. Manja konektiranost, manji broj opcija, konačno i ukinute 4 linije. Ako vi stvarno mislite da će 11,6% letova menje rezultirati povečanjem LF za tolko da se isto kompenzira onda ste nepopravljiv optimista.

Da, smanjenja je bilo kod Air Serbije i prije. I ona veća smanjenja prije dvije zime su rezultirale smanjenjem broja putnika 8 mjeseci i gubitak preko 100.000 putnika u tom periodu. No, ekspanzija tog ljeta je isto kompenzirala. Ali, morate shvatiti da se sada rada radi o neusporedivo većem smanjenju, te o ljetnoj sezoni.

Nove LCC linije će isto naknaditi, to nije sporno, ali da će ova reduciranja Air Serbije imati utjecaja na konačan rezultat, naravno da hoće.

O Emiratesu sam napisao posebnu analizu, pa ne bih banalizirao sa raspravama i sveo ih na dvije-tri izdvojene teze. Ako želite znati moj stav pročitajte analizu:

https://tangosix.rs/2017/17/01/zagrebacki-aerodrom-se-vraca-na-scenu-zbog-cega-je-dolazak-emiratesa-toliko-bitan/

I bilo bi dobro da malo poradite na računici. Ako je prosječna popunjenost 80%, a neke linije imaju 95%, onda adekvatan broj linija u drugom spektru treba imati 65%, a ne 50. No i sa bilo kakvim postotkom većim od 50% Zagreb će imati više od 130.000 novih putnika zahvaljujući Emiratesu + dodani konektirani putnici na ove linije iz SPU, DBV, SJJ, ZAD, PUY, OSI...

Što se tiće zime Emirates je poznat po tome da ne reže kapacitete nego putnike privlači niskim cijenama. Dao sam primjer cijene u prosincu na karti AMS-ZAG-AMS od samo 92 EUR. U tom kontekstu za očekivati je relativno dobro popunjen avion i zimi. Konačno govorimo o 15.000-tak tisuća putnika u zimskim mjesecima. To je još uvijek tek 8% broja zagrebačkih putnika u to vrijeme. Nije da se očekuje da će Emirates akumulirati 70% zimskih putnika, zer ne? Ali da će pridonjeti povećanju, naravno da hoće. I te kako hoće.

Simptomatično ili ne, velik broj novih prijevoznika jest bolja konkurencija, jest niže karte, jest više putnika. Indikativno je da su svi dosadašnji novi prijevoznici prosječnu cijenu karte u Zagrebu sa 350 EUR skinuli na ispod 200. I da ja već tri godine nisam putovao iz drugog grada nego iz Zagreba, dok mi je prije bilo pravilo da od 10 letova 8 obavim iz drugih aerodroma. Malo tko ovdje suze roni za Croatiom. Vremena nacionalnih gluparenja su odavno prošlost u Hrvatskoj. Lufthansa, Air France, LOT, ČSA, Iberia, Brussels, Austrian, Swiss... svi su oni domaće firme u Hrvatskoj kao članici EU. I vjerujte mi 90% putnika samo interesira kako će bolje proć (ne uvijek jeftinije). I zato radije sam za to da se motivira dolazak što više kompanija, nego da se utuku pusti milijuni u hranjenje lešine na samrti.

Kako god 40-tak tjednih letova više i 9 novih linija među kojima i Emirates svakako su dobra osnova za uspješno zagrbačko ljeto.

4 out of 9. But even Croatia said they will make some of seasonal route as all year. We will see which one will stay all year.

What a stupidity. Ljubljana cannot overtake small Pristina or even Skopje not talking about ZAG whole Croatia looooool

4 hours in the border? Hahahaha... It is 30 minutes in Slovenian, and one hour in Serbian border. Out of peak hours even less.

He is talking about new rules from EC about controls on Schengen borders. You haven't been following the news past month, haven't you

Negotiations are still in progress, but Norwegian is very much interested in flying from ZAG, not sure about ZAG becoming their base.

Things will sort out for Slovenia/Croatia since Austria is doing the same thing to Slovenia, don't worry. We depend on each other and business is business.

Not same playing field. Also, Slo/Aut border is not really a problem for Austria. It's Italian border that is giving them headeches + the fact that they are forbiden to control the most important border crossing - Brenner.

OT: Austrian came to ZAG with A320 today!

Admin do you know if it is D-check that YU-ARA needs to do?
Many thanks for any info.

And LOT with 737-400, Lufthansa with A321, Qatar with A321, Turkish with A321, Air France with A319, KLM with 737-800...

The plane will be out of service for two weeks, JU cancelled all flights to JFK JU500/1 from Sep,30th till Oct,13th. Altogether eight flights to JFK are cancelled. JU promised that in crisis situation EY would have stepped in with another 332, didn't they ?

Alen, for some time now I notice that you become more and more inlove in Zagreb and your opinion about other airlines and airports are become unprofesional and full of negativity.

Next year Boutique Hotel Detox Mihovlje opening in Hrvatsko Zagorje, another good reason to travel to Zagreb

Money for nothing and chicks for free ��

Bilo bi odlicno kad bi jos letova uveo za U2 za LJU sto bi bilo odlicno za dalji rast LJU .
INN-NS

@ anonymous 8,57pm

its not a crisis, its scheduled maintenance for which they have 6 months in advance stopped selling tickets for the duration of the maintenance.

Problem would be if the plane went AOG during a scheduled rotation, in which case a back up is available.

I am not in love with concessionaire at all, as everyone here knows that. Bat new routs are something we have to give them credit. They really did huge job.

^^^

Alen,

Just a small correction.

EK have for the past couple of years dropped frequency and/or capacity temporarily on some of its destinations during slower periods. Currently, 5 US destinations will be reduced (BOS, LAX, FLL, ORL and SEA), LAD again is seeing reduction, while last winter there was reductions to CGK, LED etc.

EK lately have cut fares and frequencies. The fleet doesnt seem to be working for them.

Please Purger, stop. You are getting boring and people are not taking you seriously anymore. Also your passive - aggressive posts are kind of lame and constant swagger is also getting annoying.

Didn't know that, thanks JETBEGMEL. So they start new practice.

Ер Србија ће можда смањити летове али ће исто тако тај капацитет искористити за чартер летове. У закључку, биће мање редовних летова али ће исто тако бити више туристичких.

Уједно, линије које су укинуте или смањене су овако и онако имале лоше резултате. Преусмерени капацитет ће надокнадити.

Што се Емирата тиче, као што сам рекао, ја само позивам на опрез и да се не залећемо. Емирати су већ неколико пута увели линије, смањили их па их на крају укинули. Ако се добро сећам Баку је једно од тих одредишта. Прочитао сам тај чланак и није ми се свидео, ваљда је то онај где си написао да је долазак Емирата у Загреб већи успех од спашавања Јата.

Морам да се сложим са Анон 0847, у последње време као да си мало почео да вртиш исту плочу.

It is very unproffesional to attack Purger on a personal level, just because you don't like his comments supported by facts.

Get over your love for JU and use some common sense.

Anon @7:47AM

Where the hell did you see passive aggressive post? Elaborate.Just like your fellowmen like to say - don't like the post - skip it.

Also, Emirates had cut US destinations because of the new US law implemented for the flights coming from the Middle East that prohibit carrying all electronic devices on board bigger than a smartphone, not because people decided not to travel anymore.

@Anon 10.30 PM
The guy blurts out how LJU will take over ZAG in the matter of next few yeas, Alen gives the facts back how that is very hardly likely and you call him unprofessional and full of negativity? Reality check, dude.

yes we did it