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VLM Slovenia plans Belgrade service

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VLM Airlines plans to introduce services between Maribor and Belgrade this October, linking the two cities for the first time in over two decades. According to Belgrade Airport, flights are scheduled to commence in October and run five times per week, Monday through Friday. Although the Slovenian carrier itself is yet to confirm the new route launch, it has indicated its intention of starting operations to the Serbian capital on several occasions. VLM has noted that, "New routes for our winter schedule are coming soon". Belgrade Airport has listed slot requests for the new service as operating with a midday arrival, and a departure at 13.00 local time.

VLM Airlines has previously said that, in addition to Belgrade, it will eventually serve Berlin, Hamburg, London, Podgorica, Zurich, Xi'an, Chongqing and Nanchang. The carrier operated its first two seasonal routes out of its base in Maribor to Split and Dubrovnik during August and has been engaged in a number of charter flights from Italy to Croatia, Greece and Montenegro this summer. "We are already negotiating with some tour operators for the 2018 summer season, when you can expect a broader program with more frequencies. We are also trying to define our winter flight schedule which will begin on October 29. We will be revealing more shortly. With the Fokker 50 aircraft, we will continue operating ad hoc charters. Because of the aircraft's size, there is a lot of interest for such flights", the airline said. In addition to its three Fokker 50 turboptops, VLM intends on adding a jet-engine aircraft to its fleet during the fourth quarter. Fokker 70s, Airbus A320s and A330s are all expected to join the airline in the coming period.

Scheduled flights between Maribor and Belgrade have not operated since the break-up of the former Yugoslavia in 1992. Previously, JAT Yugoslav Airlines maintained services between the two cities, launching operations on May 26, 1976. At the time, flights to Maribor were primarily targeted at Yugoslav nationals living in southern Austria. Services between Slovenia and Serbia resumed in the early 2000s. The bilateral air agreement between the two countries at the time limited the national carriers of each nation to operating only one destination the other had not covered, with JAT introducing operations to Ljubljana and Adria commencing services to Pristina. Today, Air Serbia runs twelve weekly flights between the Serbian and Slovenian capitals. Last year, start-up airline AWEX Croatia secured a Swiss charter contract to operate services from Zurich to Belgrade via Portorož. Flights were maintained once per week with a 34-seat Saab 340B turboprop, however, the route was not resumed this year.
September 18, 2017
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Anonymous said…
Nice to see BEG-MXB resuming after so many years.
09:03
Anonymous said…
The Chinese are keeping to their word.
09:04
Anonymous said…
Will they really be able to fill this plane 5x per week?
09:06
Anonymous said…
Air Serbia should have started this route a few years ago.
09:07
Anonymous said…
With what aircraft exactly?
09:08
Anonymous said…
Who cares? It's their money and they get to do whatever they want with it. No taxpayers money is being wasted here, which is what's important.
09:08
Anonymous said…
I assume a lot of Serbs from Austria may use this route.
09:09
Anonymous said…
ATR
09:10
Anonymous said…
I'm also skeptical the market is big enough.
09:11
Anonymous said…
Yes, lots of Serbs live in Graz which is less than 70 km away. If they can capture this market then they will crush the bus and minibus operators.

Unfortunately, besides Vienna, Serbs in Austria have no other option to fly to Serbia.
09:11
Anonymous said…
Duh. I meant in the sense where they would find it when they had to cut ZAG and LJU in order to launch VCE.
09:11
Anonymous said…
They could have for example reduced 2 flights from Ljubljana (the same way they did to fly to Venice) and gone to MXB instead. I'm sure they could have got quite a bit transfer traffic as well.
09:12
Anonymous said…
Since market is price sensitive success of this route would be mostly dependent on that. There are two airports served in Montenegro and Macedonia from Belgrade, so this is also possible. Good luck.
09:13
Anonymous said…
LJU is performing extremely well so there is no point in reducing it any further. Actually, LJU performs ten times better than ZAG does for example.

ASL can't launch any new routes until it gets a new CEO and fixes its finances.
09:13
Anonymous said…
What equipment will they use?
09:13
Anonymous said…
Fokker 50
09:14
Anonymous said…
+1
Ticket prices will be key.
09:14
Anonymous said…
I agree, LJU is way more important to be reducing frequencies further, especially since you get a good mix of point to point and transfer passengers. Also this route is important for Etihad as well since they get a lot of passengers for their flight to Abu Dhabi from this route.
09:16
Anonymous said…
It says they are getting a jet engine plane, that is why I ask.
09:17
Anonymous said…
Jet plane will only have greater capacity. The F50 is perfect for this route.
09:19
Anonymous said…
I doubt they will end up flying 5 per week. They probably asked for 5 weekly slots but will end up flying twice or three times per week.
09:22
Anonymous said…
250 seats per week each way
09:23
Anonymous said…
Till now they promise they will fly Berlin, Belgrade, Hamburg, London, Split, Podgorica, Zurich, Xi'an, Chongqing and Nanchang with fleet of many F50, A320 and A330.

Instead they have one F50 and had just 200 passengers all summer to Split and Dubrovnik.

No need for conclusion.
09:23
Anonymous said…
With flights from Monday to Friday who are they going to market these flights for? Business people?
09:23
Anonymous said…
I think they actually have three F50s. Or at least 3 have been approved to fly by Slovenian Directorate.
09:26
Anonymous said…
We need a regional LCC.
09:26
Anonymous said…
Rome wasn't built in a day. Give them time. Any business needs time to consolidate and find its place in the market it wants to serve.
09:28
Anonymous said…
This will hurt Air Serbia's Ljubljana route.
09:28
Anonymous said…
They have already exceeded most of by expectations to be honest.
09:30
Anonymous said…
Do we know what type of aircraft will be their first jet engined plane. The F70 or A320? Not sure the A330 can still lift off from Maribor.
09:31
Anonymous said…
I highly doubt that.
09:34
Nemjee said…
Doubt it. Air Serbia's fares in/out of LJU are generally ok. VLM would have to undercut them big time in order to force people to drive 130 km.

Plus, VLM's F50s are 28 years old, older than JU's Atrs. They are noisier and VLM's brand is still weaker.

The only downside for JU is that they don't serve anything besides water on this flight. I think it's a shame they completely suspended catering on regional Atr flights.
09:35
Anonymous said…
I wonder how many passengers on Air Serbia's two daily flights to Ljubljana would actually fly to Maribor if they had a choice?
09:36
Nemjee said…
I think VCE affected LJU more than MBX would.
09:37
Anonymous said…
Somehow I doubt VLM offers something other than water on their flights either. At least on the JU flight you can earn Etihad miles.
09:39
Anonymous said…
Congratulations to Maribor :) finally getting some flights
09:40
Nemjee said…
I doubt that matters to most Slovenes given that Air Serbia is the only Etihad Partner to fly there.
If they were in one of the real alliances then maybe it would be different.
09:41
Anonymous said…
The way things are going I wouldn't be surprised Etihad joins Star Alliance and Air Serbia with it as well. Now that would be a major benefit.
09:43
Anonymous said…
I think the F70.
09:45
Nemjee said…
Yes! It would be great especially since Air Serbia's morning flight to Vienna would offer great connections to and from the United States. Right now connections to Belgrade are not ideal and they require around 4 hours of waiting at VIE.

Naturally from a strategic point of view, SkyTeam or oneworld would make more sense but I fear ASL has little to offer.
09:45
Anonymous said…
Seems that way but since SHS took the airport there have been no other flights. So passenger numbers are actually down compared to last year.
09:47
Anonymous said…
Quiet before the storm. :)
09:48
Anonymous said…
I agree with you. Not sure Sky team has the need for JU especially considering TAROM is part of it.
09:50
Anonymous said…
How long is this flight?
09:52
Anonymous said…
Hope so
09:53
Anonymous said…
Exactly 1 hour.
09:55
Anonymous said…
@9.36 I doubt more than 1 or 2 at most per day.
09:55
Anonymous said…
There are a few underserved regional cities Air Serbia should have started. In my opinion Maribor, Mostar, Zadar, Nis and Pristina would work well. I also think Budapest would have worked if they had some proper planning around it.
10:01
Anonymous said…
^We already have Wizz Air.
10:01
Anonymous said…
Thank you.
10:02
Anonymous said…
Ok so Belgrade will be one of their new routes during the early afternoon. What other routes can we expect for them to start this winter?
10:02
Anonymous said…
Like it says in the article they have already mentioned Berlin, Hamburg, London, Podgorica, Zurich in the past
10:08
Nemjee said…
SkyTeam would make the most sense given JU's tight relationship with Air France, KLM and Aeroflot. Unfortunately JU's regional network is not getting any stronger which could have been one of its greatest advantages. They could have become for SkyTeam what Malev used to be for oneworld.
10:14
Anonymous said…
All can be flown with the F50. Just not sure about London.
10:15
Anonymous said…
They can do a lot with three planes already.
10:15
Anonymous said…
If they plan on offering connections then their European flights must depart at around 6 am. That means they are most likely not going to rely on overnight flights.
10:19
Anonymous said…
A wise move for Air Serbia would be to offer luggage free tickets to Ljubljana since there are a lot of business people flying this route who don't need luggage. Many of them fly in the morning and return in the evening.
10:19
Anonymous said…
Their goal is to ultimately become a connecting carrier between Europe and Asia.
10:21
Anonymous said…
Europe and China I should say.
10:21
Nemjee said…
Same with Vienna which is crazy expensive if you plan on going in the morning and returning in the evening. I understand they want to rip businessmen off but charging €450 (JU) and €630 (OS) is crazy.

If you are staying longer than three days then fares are ok, around €120.
10:22
Anonymous said…
Question: Is Maribor and the area around it considered to be one of the wealthier parts of Slovenia?
10:26
Anonymous said…
No, Ljubljana is the wealthiest. Maribor isn't doing as great in terms of economy.
10:28
Anonymous said…
Nice to see another new airline at BEG too. Regional connectivity will now be quite good: Podgorica, Tivat, Zagreb, Dubrovnik, Split, Pula, Ljubljana, Maribor, Tirana, Skopje, Ohrid, Bucharest, Sofia.
10:35
Anonymous said…
@ Anonymous September 18, 2017 at 9:47 AM

Do you know how many passengers Maribor had so far this year?
10:36
Anonymous said…
I still think it was a missed opportunity for Adria not have based a plane in Maribor when they had the chance to. I think the city has potential.
10:39
Anonymous said…
If VLM manages to sustain this route year round then it should put Air Serbia to shame for not sustaining Split or Dubrovnik year round.
10:40
Anonymous said…
And the frequencies to all of them are quite decent.
10:43
Anonymous said…
Just a note that VLM plans to register 6 A320-200s and 15 A330-200s in Slovenia.
10:44
Anonymous said…
lol yeah right. Where exactly will they park the A330s in Maribor? On the runway?
10:48
Anonymous said…
This is a good example to show to people who advocate for the demise of legacy airlines in ex-Yu and the dominance of Ryan and Wizz. Neither of those would ever fly these routes from BEG.
10:48
Anonymous said…
Of course not. Poverty and alcoholism is rampant there. Unemployment too (many not registered). If you find a work in Austria its ok. Maribor and east Slovenia are way lower than of course Czech Republic and Slovakia. Worse than larger areas of Romania too. Purchasing power parity there is nearly 50% lower than in richer west part of Slovenia. You can read the Eu statistics data. For the Eu Slovenia is divided statistically in 2 regions. Huge difference west versus east. Even the procapita number of pet dogs in Maribor is way lower than in Ljubljana. The atmosphere in Maribor is extremely depressive. The only exception is football. As I'm familiar with the area: houses, real income in the Maribor region is worse than Zakarpaty region (many working abroad! or supported by Hungary) in Ukraine. If you have a government job you are well in Maribor but as soon as you have an opportunity you move to Ljubljana or the coastal area.
10:50
Anonymous said…
I said they plan register them in Slovenia, not base them there.
10:54
Anonymous said…
@10.35, you forgot Sarajevo and Banja Luka ;)
10:56
Anonymous said…
SHS also promised 300,000 passengers at MXB during the first year
11:02
Anonymous said…
Interesting. Thanks. Then I got some info mixed up as for some reason I thought Maribor area was one of the richest ones in Slo.
11:02
Anonymous said…
Good luck. I hope this works out.
11:02
Anonymous said…
Dubrovnik has Tivat which is right next door. Split should work.
Maribor will rely on Austrian passengers.
11:04
Anonymous said…
Austrian is always stupidly expensive. You should see their fares out of ZAG.
11:11
Anonymous said…
You can have a look at some hard data: http://www.stat.si/StatWeb/sl/News/Index/6031 -
and Google them for Romania, if you wish :)
11:13
Anonymous said…
People had a very negative attitude towards it and calling it a scam but things are moving forward and they are delivering on their plans.
11:15
Anonymous said…
they are hiring A320 and A330 pilots. So they will get these planes after all.
11:20
Anonymous said…
Oops yes my bad
11:36
Anonymous said…
According to some info I have 2 A320s will come soon.
11:36
Anonymous said…
Maybe when they expand their network they will offer some good transfer options.
11:37
Anonymous said…
When will we be able to book flights?
11:43
Anonymous said…
Very interested to see what the pricing will be like.

What kind of onboard service does VLM offer?
11:46
Anonymous said…
I meant an airline that would fly inter-ex-yu flights.
11:49
Anonymous said…
2,500 January to August.
11:49
Anonymous said…
PRN too.
11:56
Anonymous said…
Good luck MBX!
11:57
Anonymous said…
There only scheduled flights so far have been to DBV and SPU. These are really short, I don't know what sort of service you would need.
11:57
Anonymous said…
But their cabin looks ok
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-19YPpTg8e4s/WYrK0z85KtI/AAAAAAAAfQ8/OZ1SOxeM-TwriNCBMqrno0sYYo7vzDG3gCLcBGAs/s1600/1.jpg
11:58
Anonymous said…
I'm surprised. Wasn't expecting that anything would come of this.
12:03
Anonymous said…
When they finalise their winter scheduled.
13:11
Anonymous said…
Hopefully all their new flights will operate for the entire season and not just a month like this summer.
13:12
Michael said…
Omg...those OS prices out of BEG are insane! What are they like in ZAG? Considering that ZAG is closer to Vienna, but more expensive, they might be about the same?
13:13
Anonymous said…
This is total BS. Pure publicity.
13:26
Stefan said…
These are the routes they announced in March
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-h8CPEIGHzKU/WLkwe6RvVVI/AAAAAAAAccA/pgQG1TjRc3sqdaSz3kb4BA2YdKL2cKs4wCLcB/s1600/Untitled.png
13:34
Anonymous said…
Thank you for that high quality answer, you have uncovered their entire ploy to fool us.
13:38
Anonymous said…
Looks fresher than OU's Q400s that's for sure.
13:39
Anonymous said…
They plan Barcelona too?
13:39
Anonymous said…
They are quite expensive in ZAG, every time I look for flights to Europe they are never under €400. I don't know how they fill flights. If you are staying in Vienna for more than three days then the fares are around €140 which is ok.
13:43
Anonymous said…
And Air Serbia ATR72.
13:43
Anonymous said…
Dzedaji voze te ATRove.
13:55
Anonymous said…
I don't know about Air Serbia's Atrs but OU's Q400s are starting to look quite worn out. It's nothing surprising given how much they are used during the summers.

I am a Croat and I don't see a point in immediately mentioning Air Serbia.
14:06
Anonymous said…
"Of course not. Poverty and alcoholism is rampant there. Unemployment too (many not registered). If you find a work in Austria its ok. Maribor and east Slovenia are way lower than of course Czech Republic and Slovakia. Worse than larger areas of Romania too. Purchasing power parity there is nearly 50% lower than in richer west part of Slovenia. You can read the Eu statistics data. For the Eu Slovenia is divided statistically in 2 regions. Huge difference west versus east. Even the procapita number of pet dogs in Maribor is way lower than in Ljubljana. The atmosphere in Maribor is extremely depressive. The only exception is football. As I'm familiar with the area: houses, real income in the Maribor region is worse than Zakarpaty region (many working abroad! or supported by Hungary) in Ukraine. If you have a government job you are well in Maribor but as soon as you have an opportunity you move to Ljubljana or the coastal area. "

This is complete nonsense, yeah is not all flowers, but your writing is way exaggerating and mostly not true. Romania and Ukraine, really??.
14:47
Anonymous said…
OT: 3 widebodies from 3 different carriers today in BEG (scheduled flights)

JU500
HU7938
TK1984

Connecting BEG with 3 different continents. Nice :)
16:16
Anonymous said…
+1 last comment

It is true that Slovenian Styria region is economically not as strong as Ljubljana. But still it is way stronger than most Ex-Yu regions.
16:38
Anonymous said…
Those might come from Thomas Cook Belgium right?

Haplek
16:42
Anonymous said…
According to Statisicni urad RS, the average salary in LJ is 1828€ and in MB 1525€. But that Anonymous presented MB as Mordor. It's incredible how many BS can one hide behind anonymity. This should be changed (hint to mods).
16:50
Anonymous said…
Could you please give me the link for the monthly avarage salary in Ljubljana? I found numbers only for the whole country.
17:08
Anonymous said…
2 different continents

On Friday there were also 3 widebodies with TK A330F from Vnukovo.
18:22
Anonymous said…
3 different continents. Istanbul Atatürk airport is in European part of Istanbul.
20:02
Anonymous said…
Some flights to BWK in s 18?
20:49
Anonymous said…
2 different continents - you don't connect a single continent with itself.
21:42
Anonymous said…
It is weird that Air Serbia is not interested in Graz - Belgrade route.
22:12
Slovenia - LJubljana - Average salary said…
The average NET salary in the Ljubljana region (Osrednjeslovesnak) is EUR 1,132.64 http://www.stat.si/StatWeb/en/News/Index/6929
22:35
Anonymous said…
It is weird Air Serbia is not interested in many routes.
22:42
Anonymous said…
...other than to the hangar or to the lessor.
22:43
Anonymous said…
did someone say 'hangar queen' ?
23:20
Alen Šćuric Purger said…
Etihad already negotiate with Star Alliance for membership. Virgin Australia also.

oneworld negotiate with Air Tahiti Nui, Interjet, Meridiana and Royal Air Maroc (last two sponsored by Qatar, first Qatar is owner and 2nd one will be in near future).

SkyTeam negotiate with Jet, GOL and Virgin Atlantic.

More on link:
https://tangosix.rs/2017/12/09/kolumna-alena-scurica-da-li-je-moguca-cetvrta-alijansa-pod-patronatom-emiratesa/
23:21
Anonymous said…
So you are saying that BEG is not connected to Europe by air because you can't connect 'a single continent with itself'?
09:45
Anonymous said…
Live in Bucharest is way way better then in Maribor. Working in the private sector or international companies in Bucharest (public sector sadly not soo) is heaven compared to Maribor. Purchasing power in Bucharest is way higher than Maribor. Look at Eu data. Average salary data for Maribor are misleading: many people are not included in the statistics. Of course public sector (salary) in Maribor is excellent because most prices are way lower than e.g. Ljubljana, Gorenjska and Primorska region but for the rest poverty is rampant. Have you been and lived in these places? Just Slovenians trying to hide to outsiders (even the neighbors) their struggle. Comparing the quality of nearly all new houses (people somehow obsessed with them in both countries) in the Ukrainian border area with Hungary with the Maribor and Stajerska region. Zakarpatia region in Ukraine wins hands down. Most people there working abroad and working a lot so this is possible. It's like in the West where people not knowing Slovenia are assuming we are living in poverty then they are surprised when they visit here. Same for us compared to e.g. Bucharest or Czech, Slovak Republic (!) etc.
11:05
Anonymous said…
When numbers talk, bullshit walks. But i totaly believe you that you're having an awesome time in Bucharest.
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