Think we might see flights to Spain and Greece.

Anyone know how their load to Bucharest is today?

UK should be a market they should focus on. LCCs now fly double daily to Ljubljana from London while JP has no flights there. They only fly to Manchester seasonally. It's obviously a growing P2P market.

Honestly new terminal at Ljubljana should have been completed now. Not in 2 years.

So if they are adding 3 aircraft this year does that mean 2 CRJ900s and 1 Saab?

Or 1 more crj900? S5AFD?

Spain and Greece in Winter? you must be joking

I meant for summer 2019.

If JP wants to compete with TRS VCE ZAG GRZ BGY it needs to reduce ticket prices. Too many travellers still avoid LJU and depart from airports neighbouring SLO
Also LJU shld build 4 jetbridge gates extra but under Skobir this wont happen anyway

And how did Geneva perform yesterday?

8 and 12 pax GVA yday

:O that's a really poor load.

Saabs is planed for June

I know. But how many?

+1

A tiny monster is born. I think JP will soon become one of the biggest regional carriers in CEE.
BWK can now be connected to the whole of Europe and get known internationally.

It seems neither Ljubljana Airport or Adria were prepared for this growth.

Great to see LJU and ADR booming again.

And I'm happy to see they are really talking to FlyDubai!

so much for the "satisfied with the demand"

That is horrible. So the load factor was

9% and 17%...

Loads were not much better for Sofia the other day either. Yes inaugural flight had LF of 90% but that was because on board were officials from Min. of Infrastructure, Adria, Ljubljana Airport, journalists, the Slovenian President and a football team. On return lf was 27% and almost all of them were non revenue passengers.

That is bad news for ASL.

It's only the first flight guys. You can't expect 100% LF.

Why not? The flights didn't go on sale last night. They have been selling for 4 months already. Also Easter holidays are just around the corner. You would expect a boost from that too.

Spain is very popular with Slovenes during winter, so this could work.

Well equipment with less capacity was originally planned for all these routes. Obviously with a reason.

It would be interesting to see the percentage of Slovenes using Trieste, Venice, Zagreb and Klagenfurt. Anyone have some statistic?

Still, 12 pax for Saab 2000 doesn't even cover the costs of the flight...

Not surprised. They now have quite a big fleet which they will have to deploy somewhere during winter. So I do expect to see some more new routes soon.

They should start BEG. Challenge Air Serbia a bit on this route.

Airbridge for what? There's a lot of times when they use airbridges for CRJ.

The only way LJU will get more bigger aircraft (737/320) which would use jetbridges is LCCs who tend to avoid them anyway.

Doubt it. They codeshare with Air Serbia.

If they survive. Still no signs the whole thing is profitable at this point. Wet-leases to cover own wet-lease-out surely isn't.

They codeshared with Montenegro Airlines too. Look at their Podgorica operations now ;)

JU flies 12 weekly to Ljubljana, so maybe Adria could try 2x per week.

How many air bridges does Ljubljana have at the moment?

Would be nice. That would make it 10 in the fleet right?

Yes the load on the first flight is disappointing but we can't draw conclusions unless we now broader booking numbers.

But why? What could they gain from it?

Transfer passengers.

I think 4

To where. Pretty much every single route operated by Adria is covered from Belgrade. Exceptions are Manchester and Brac which are all just summer routes for Adria.

Only 3 of them are operational

What's wrong with the 4th one?

If someone has BUH numbers for today please share :)

Trieste 70k, Venice probably around 200k, Zagreb probably around 200k too, Klagenfurt maybe a thousand or two.

What's wrong using airbridge for CRJ9? I'm happy every time this happens in LJU although I'm not getting this satisfaction very often...

You forgot Kiev too.

Thanks. That is actually a very high number LJU is loosing there. It has a very competitive environment.

Cheap ACMI / wet leases in winter which bring zero money in as every airline wants to lease out planes during winter season.

If flydubai comes and maybe vueling to spain those numbers will fall

@anon 10:01 hahaha i agree 😂

first flight to KBP had 15% LF, look at the flights now 75%

Good news for Adria.

Those SAABs will probably never come.

INI should work much better vs BEG

They will. What do you think they are going to do with all the Saab pilots that are in training now.

Agree. INI has much more potential in this case.

Who would fly to KBP via LJU, when you can transfer in OTP or IST?

They fly both to Skopje n Pristina, so i doubt they will launch Nis anytime soon😵

Agree. The more LCCs come to LJU, the fewer passengers it will loose. It is primarily these types of passengers that travel to other cities.

There is one thing i cant get with JP. Ok, they planned to get these SAABs directly from “Darwin” together with pilots. Thing with the metal got complicated coz insolvency proceedings take time - ok, but to start looking for pilots when the scheduled expension is already taking place is at least pathetic n a bit naive. So they werent able to find even a single pair of pilots to operate at least one Saab or in any case pilots need to go thru training when shuffling to a new metal?

I mean they werent avle to find even a single pair of saab pilots* i know that if changing the type u obliged to go through training

Smart. They need to grow in order to remain relevant both in Slovenia but in Croatia too.

What could be the next new destination?

Maybe they reconsider Tehran. They were planning on introducing it last year.

Why not Sloavio? SKP/PRN/INI/SOF is known to be "densly populated" region so there is no reason why INI could not work out...

There are no saab pilots on training.
There is a huge number of captains an copilots on training for crj

Completely agree with 0905 comment. UK north of Luton completely overlooked.

@ Anonym 0939h

Not sure how u prefer to travel. Me, I like the convenient way and I like to pay for service and quality
Also handicapped and elder people prefer jetbridges. Not every passenger is young and agile
Not to talk of the small buses without aircondition LJU AP uses. Where ZRH AP uses two buses for a JP CR9 load, in LJU they squezze it all in one. I travel via LJU about 20 flights a year and if u travel a lot, convenient travelling is even more important

But re infrastructure in SLO we are back to the discussion we had before on this blog. Look at the referendum of the 2nd rail track which has to be repeated. SLO and infrastructure investment is def not a really balanced relationship.

They probably talk about their planned base in Germany

Here is what I think:

CLJ, LWO, RIX, VAR, KRK, KIV, SKG, LYS, BHX, MAD

Huge? Where did they get them?

Well, i think that the needs of economy and transfer pax can be well covered from SKP/PRN/SOF, i doubt there is much demand for “weekend break-(ers)” in ljubljana.

Airbridge should be a human standard in 2018. In 2016 n early 2017 I flew in/out every few weeks and it happened to many times that JP AC got parked just in front of the terminal (but no airbridge) and we had to board on bus to literally “escort” us for fucking 5m. I felt embarrased in front of other foreigners because it was a typical birocratical non sense (probably there is some stupid rule people should walk around that area).

Legacy carrier or airline which wants to be seen as a one should use airbridge without exception specially at their home base! I dont care if LCC puts me on the bus, bcz i paid 60€ for a return ticket, but if i pay 200€+ pls be fair and use airbridge with AC (!).

They are foreigners.

If they are not making profit, all of this is just a giant scam to try to offload the company to a naive buyer. We will be able to judge 4K's work once they show us the financial report - without accounting tricks. Currently it looks to good to be true.

Too* 5 meters* shouldnt*

@10.46 That would be interesting but the way things are in the Middle East and potential conflict between Saudi Arabia and Iran, I don't think they will take the risk.

Sloavio, u need to b aware of the sensitivities on this blog:
INI (and recently BWK) r major stars - every carrier should start flying there

Remember that LJU can be a bit of everything: weekend destination, transfer, also Slovenian companies. I think you are underestimating it a bit.

Hm. That's BWK, INI is more of a rising star in terms of passengers it will handle.

To cover us much CEE as possible they should launch RIX, but i doubt it will work out. If anything from the above mentioned, i would try SKG (seasonal) n LYS (seasonal as well). I would love to get MAD but probably not enough demand, but they could at least be competitive with prices to Iberia from VCE (around 160€ return), but hardly to Air Europa (90€ return if booked well in advance). They should try LJU-MAD-BCN-LJU rotation



Kiv? Hehe 😂

I got that, but anyway we all know what facts are - economy in Nis region isnt booming nor serbian Standard. But its true INI has great growth, but mostly based on LCC. If JP was able to fly for 40-50€ One way, in this case i would try it with saab 2-3pw, but as we can see from SOF prices thats not the case so market is too price sensitive for JP

Anon 11:17 enough to fill up lets say 150 seats each way every week if we got 3 rotations pw? I doubt.

Oh Sloavio, KIV is rising. They constructed a new terminal, Air Moldova is a decent carrier and the airport is thirsty for more European connections. Many Moldavians have Romanian passport so they live and work in EU. I think KIV can be very successful indeed.

Surely the growth came as a little surprise, but it's really nothing to worry about ....

So i found this on google “Average Salary in Chisinau, Moldova. The average salary in Chisinau is not that exciting either. According to Wikipedia, the average brutto salary in Moldova is 4909 Moldovan lei, or roughly $250. According to this other source, the average salary after tax in Moldova is 3921 MDL, or roughly $200.”

I think it says it all. The average JP return ticket costs around 200$, so the whole monthly income for one return ticket - so if we apply this to slovenian standard, average netto salary around 1100€-1200€ (ljubljana), how many ppl are willing (and able) to be a frequent flyer on the route where the return ticket costs their whole monthly wage (1100€)??? Not many probably...

I doubt they will start flying from LJU, as this flight would canibalise their brother Emirates flights from ZAG, VIE and VCE. And believe me, they know exactly how many Slovenes are taking these flights.

Obviously enough to hold the negotiations...why would they even start talking about it if they knew its not plausable?

Tx Sloavio

+1

Naravno Ljubljana je maleni grad.

I'll tell you why I don't fly out of LJU. I travel around 7-10 times per year and live in Kranj, so 10 min to the airport. However I fly out of LJU once per year or 2 years. Why? Because travelling to Zagreb or Venice for 30€ return makes me experience a P2P flight with no wastefull connections and with also a lower price. The only time I have flown out of LJU was when I was visiting London and Brussels and next week when I'll visit Amsterdam. Any other destination, I used the other 3 airports. Prices are too high on this Adria controlled airport. It's not competitive at all. I'm not a buisness passenger, I'm a completly normal leisure one, so that is why LJU doesn't work for me. Because I can get a less hassle free flight from the other nearby airports for a cheaper price too.

Agree with you.

LJU should do much more to attract low cost airlines. The choice from Ljubljana is bad. Adria has a monopoly on 80% of the routes.

Hmm yet ZAG isn't known to be exactly cheap.

Hmmm, but you are forgetting that the flights heavily depend on the diaspora. I think there are 2 million Moldavians abroad.

Sadly, both LJU and ZAG remain very expensive EU capitals.
SJJ has the same problem.
As we previously mentioned, just make a search from any medium sized city in Europe to ZAG or LJU, you will see that prices are very high.
During my travel to Asia, I met people telling me they would stop in Venice and do ZAG and LJU by car/couch/train. The same for BUD.

Anon @12:34 yes, for europe destinations it's not that cheqp. Altho, if catching a cheap fare on Norwegian to Copenhagen or Stockholm, that works very well. It also works on vueling. Got great prices there too. Manly tho, I use ZAG for long haul ops with Qatar. Unmatched prices by anything LJU can offer.

They should try Canary Islands once a week.There is a season all year round but price schould not be too expencive.

I was thinking about it, but they wont be able to fill up the airbus, and for crj900 is too far probably?

Specially the big one in Slovenia n neighbouring countries. Or u think people will choose JP over other transfwr option?

I think ZAG losses are compensated with passengers from Croatia. Does anyknow know how many people from Croatia uses LJU?

Yes, that's what I meant. Transfer option similar to KBP.

Well ZAG is competitive or even cheap to Asia. Within Europe you can find decent fares to Berlin, AMS, BRU, FCO, ZRH, CPH and other cities OU flies to. I travel often from AMS to ZAG and I never pay more than 130 euros. I always look at the fares JP is charging which are almost never less than 200 euros

So any LF for todays flight to Bucharest?🙏🏼

LJU OTP 24%
OTP LJU 31%

Thank u bud! 🙏🏼 I think OTP will perform better than SOF, in may i might try it, if they manage to still operate it 😂

Thank you very much. I
Frankly,I was expecting better results, but lets not jump to conclusions yet.
I've read before that BWK and SOF are doing well, do we have any sources?

just checked, transfers via LJU are super expensive from SOF, what do they expect from a market where one can fly to almost everywhere for <40 EUR direct...?? I guess OTP is a similar story

As I commented a few days ago ... LF of the first 3 new routes explains why JP 2 weeks ago started quite intense advertising for the new destinations covered... probably even LF in the next few days wont be much better. JP should start offering direct transfers to the coast/ski centres (depends on the season) with support of GoOpti or any other provider.

I have checked the prices of return tickets for different new routes throughout the next 2 months - in 90% of the combinations the final
Price is still the (basic) one advertised... if i dare to make some conclucions that means they r still in the “phase” of selling “cheap” tickets (higher the LF is, more expensive the tickets tend to be - general rule, not sure if applied with JP) ... but its also true that the amount of “cheap” tickets is higher due to bigger AC used (72 seats instead of 50). If the LF was 24% and 31% that means 17pax and 22pax, had JP used the SAAB today, their LF would have been 34% and 44%, which is not even that bad.

OTP was operated using CR7, SOF using CR9 but LF was high on the outbound flight because of the President official visit to SOF.
But I guess JP knew that the S2000 is exactly the perfect aircraft for those routes.

At least 60k Croatians use LJU.

I'm always shocked when I see people from Ljubljana flying out from Bergamo because it is cheaper. Slovenians are obsessed with low air tickets prices (with low cost airlines and other airlines too) when they need to pay from their own pockets. The air ticket price is more I'm than the destination. I'm talking of leisure flights meanwhile they splurge on cars and houses. They don't spend a lot eating out too. So strange.

Anon 4:01; stupid generalization

as I wrote few comments above. KBP first few flights had 15 or 20% LF. Look at this route now 75% which is really nice. Sometimes use A319 to KBP.

Was FRA cancelled today?

This generalization is accurate for 90 to 95 % cases.

Geneva was cancelled, dont know about FRA.

Yes, the early afternoon LJU-FRA-LJU was cancelled.

Second day of operating GEN and they alread cancelled it?

FRA and GVA was cancelled because of tehnical issues on one of CRJ900

@ anon 4:47: nope, it is just stupid like all generalizations.

If you have ever seen a CRJ, you know it isn't designed to be used with jetbridge, in fact not all of them can connect to CRJ, as they can't lower that low down. It's funny how everyone things CRJs should be connected to airbridges all the time, yet nobody suggests this for ATR72, which has only couple of seats less...

Second, rules in aviation are mostly written with blood, so the "escort for 5m" exists because somebody, somewhere got injured or even worse due to no such rule in place.

Maybe they think Bulgaria and Romania are 3rd world countries with no connections to the west. Or they think people will connect from OTP to go to SKP :D

Really loving the term "foreigners" here. It looks like they are really welcome there.

Well, they are right. Why would you pay 500+ EUR for a return ticket to Spain and you would have to connect through MUC or FRA if you can catch a bus or GoOpti, and have a direct flight?

Hm, hard to buy that - isn't AFA standing on the apron? Looks more like a lack of crew.

no, AFA is on C check, white CRJ is EC-JYA and havn't yet in Slo. reg.

btw this CRJ will became S5-AFC...

btw AFA is now in full Adria's c/s

How would u call them? Non-slovenians? People from abroad? Expats?

There is absolutely no logical reasoning behind this ... u can always secure safety in different ways ... that “road” is not used by AC, but only by ground service, so u can always change these rules to make it more effecient - making passenger disembark from CRJ, embark on the bus, ride it for 5 meters and disembark again is typical typical and once again typical slovenian obsession with rules noone reconsiders them. At least dont park it in front of the entrance .. people can see the entrance but they r not aloud to walk those 5meters...non sense par excellence

Capt at JP are Slovenians. They dont allow foreign captains. What they do is training SLO F/O to become capt and they hire foreigners for F/O
Nothing new, already past 10 years JP had pilots fm Spain or the US

FRA afternoon flight was cxl

Beglax completely wrong. There were a lot of US captains in in JP in the past when there were not enough adria fo's able for upgrade. 12% of pilots in jp can be contractors, no matter captains or fo's. No matter slovenians or expats. The only thing that is that no new pilot can skip seniority, but that has nothing to do with nationality. New fo's are now both contractors and adria employed.

So salaries are not that bad as ppl are saying... if americans are willing to fly for JP and their wages

That was over 10 years ago, and the airline industry was in a much different state. Nobody in their right state of mind would leave US regionals now to work for JP today.

:D

SOF-FRA 07.05
Bulgaria air (direct): 40 EUR
Wizzair (direct): 51 EUR
Lufthansa (direct): 98 EUR
Ryanair (1 stop): 82 EUR
LOT (1 stop): 112 EUR
Air Serbia (1 stop): 124 EUR
ADRIA (1 stop): 162 EUR


competitive pricing :D

Stop this bs please. What makes you all necessarily think JP are unaware of the situation? Maybe the current flights are pure O&D traffic and not tranfer? Do you think they will just waste their money investing in OTP or SOF?
JP is fully aware of huge LCC presence in both capitals and also presence of JU who also offer excellent prices.
Please, behave like adults and not some wannabe brats. Lets give JP a chance to prove themselves instead of making fun.
He who laughs last, laughts best...

So much negativity and sarcasm towards JP, I don't understand you.
So what if the launch of some routes has been delayed or cancelled? The aviation sector is dynamic and keeps changing all the time.
The same type of comments the other day with JU cancelling some routes. Please, the aviation experts are not you, but the people working for those airlines.
I simply think JP wants to show the world that it ain't no ordinary airline and has something to offer, especially having LJU in the heart of Europe and now part of the prestigious Fraport.

true, O&D

LOL what a fantastic start

look at my case from last year:
LJU AMS LJU Transavia 120 EUR Adria 188 EUR. Transavia have a very bad timetable. I lost 2 day beacuse dep from is on 6pm and I'm in AMS at 8pm basically I'm just going to sleep in AMS. retur time is bad at 7am from AMS than again I'm just sleep that day in AMS. If I look all that than I throw away min. 60 or 70 EUR just for sleep. If I take Adria's flight 5.30 am dep from LJU at 7.30 in AMS and back at 9.30pm for 188 EUR. I will always choose Adria when I have this kind of situation.

LJU needs to start advertizing in ZAG especially for flights operated by LCCs.

This Adria story will have one hard mid-air collision with reality and then Ljubljana will suffer as well.

That's one of possible scenarios. Another one says LH was upset when EY bought JU and started messing with miniature Balkan world LH built mostly with OS, OU and JP Lego blocks. Avoiding government deals and public companies, they are now using obscure financial vehicle to rebuild New Balkans Order according to LH.

Personally I think this is obviously fake. We all know Slovenia is not in the Balkans.

Hahahahhaha dude, what are u on? Because i want that shit as well 😂😂😂😂 JP is very ordinary! I am mostly PRO JP, but we all know what it range is and JP will never be nothing more and nothing less than an ordinary airline - you cant be a luxury airine operating riutes with CRJ 😂😂😂😂😂

So what if it operates using CRJ? Does it make it inferior? RO and JU both use ATR, does that make them bad??! JP also have bigger aircraft and at least have a decent network coverage. So, just relax a bit and let's see how their plan works. Thanks.

Well, what did you expect from LH? To remain passive regarding entries such as EY or FR? They have created their masterplan buying OS,SN,LX. Creating EW and dominating well countries like Croatia, Slovenia, Greece, etc. FRA is quietly becoming the master of Europe and will definitely replace LHR in 5 years after they open the ongoing Terminal 3.
So, JP and OU will have to play with the LH legos.

Hm, LJU said few times that number of Croatians flying from LJU is somewhere same as number of Slovenians flying from ZAG

I hardly believe there are so many croatians flying out of LJU. Im sure slovenians use ZAG more than the other way around ... much more.

They use flights to london, amsterdam and to hurgada and ercan

i believe this "LH is behind it" is a theory on a level of earth being a flat surface

This is silly. JP not allowing captains who are not Slovenian? Seriously? That would make the company highly illegal and the EU would sue the airline to bankruptcy in a second if that were the case. Which it obviously isn't, since such major crime wouldn't slip under the radar.

+1

Strange that so many foreign pilots seem to want to join (according to previous comments). Yes, being based in LJU must be nice, but with so many other airlines recruiting pilots across Europe, including CRJ operators, I can't help but thinking there are safer options (I mean for job security - I don't doubt the JP safety culture).