Korean Air prepares for Zagreb launch


Korean Air is preparing for the launch of its new scheduled service between Seoul and Zagreb in just over two weeks, with the airline satisfied with its current sales. In a statement to EX-YU Aviation News, the carrier said, "Ticket sales and advanced booking numbers are in line with our expectations for this route and we are satisfied with its performance. We continue to promote Zagreb as our newest European gateway and are entirely focusing on commencing scheduled flights in September. After the route stabilises, we may consider to fly to destinations in Croatia other than Zagreb". Korean tour operator KAL Tours and Hanjin Travel have contributed a large share of passengers to the new scheduled flights.

The Korean carrier is still negotiating an expansion of its interline agreement with Croatia Airlines in hope of securing a codeshare agreement. Korean Air will commence its three weekly flights to Zagreb with an Airbus A330-200 jet. It will initially deploy its Boeing 777-200ER on the route for the start of the 2018/19 winter season, which begins on October 28. However, the airline will then switch to the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner as of January 2, 2019. The two aircraft seat between 248 and 269 passengers. Korean Air will operate the return service from Zagreb to Seoul via Zurich over the winter months, however, the airline has not secured rights to sell tickets on the intra-European sector. "For the time being, it is impossible to purchase tickets from Zagreb to Zurich. However, we will consider ways to make it work in the future", Korean Air told EX-YU Aviation News.

Korean Air advertisement for new Zagreb service

The Croatian Minister for Tourism, Gari Capelli, has said the new service will help boost arrivals to the country in the off-season period. "We are strengthening our reach with new and emerging markets such as China, Japan and Korea, and I am delighted to note that over the past two years we have recorded growth of over 50% from these distant markets. Our wish is to further stimulate growth outside the summer months", Mr Capelli noted. The Croatian Prime Minister, Andrej Plenković, recently said his government is negotiating the establishment of flights from Beijing and Shanghai to Zagreb, while Zagreb Airport's General Manager, Jacques Feron, added, "We anticipate to finalise talks over the arrival of a Chinese carrier because Croatia is becoming of growing interest to Chinese tourists".

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  1. The first flight is apparently sold out.

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    1. No it isn't Neither the outbound or inbound. You can easily check by trying to book a ticket. All fare types are available.

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    2. Hmm you are right. Then I got wrong information.

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    3. Load for inaugural flight so far

      ICN-ZAG
      Economy
      https://i.imgur.com/xrkqsOn.jpg
      https://i.imgur.com/igStFpE.jpg

      Business
      https://i.imgur.com/T0T6GQO.jpg

      First
      2 pax

      ZAG-ICN
      Economy
      https://i.imgur.com/QrYjyJK.jpg
      https://i.imgur.com/RhCfmtR.jpg

      Business
      https://i.imgur.com/oV8G2eQ.jpg

      First
      1 pax

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    4. wow thanks!

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    5. The load is quite light on the return flight.

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    6. Isn't it because it is a first flight and it will mostly serve Koreans that are booking the round trip tickets?

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    7. Business load is very good.

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    8. Airline officials etc.

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    9. First flight to ZAG is sold out. If u can se available seats it doesn't mean that is not sold! Flight is completely sold out but Korean Air will sell more tickets in case of no show. That is their practice for every flight.

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    10. By the time they launch flight all of them will be sold out. ZAG has more demand to South Korea than Zurich anyway.

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  2. Let's hope they have more luck than Emirates. They seem to be wiser so they are linking it to ZRH.

    Anyone know how the Canadians are performing so far?

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    1. It's good that they are starting with three weekly. I think it is realistic and they will have success.

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    2. During summer Emirates had 91% LF, all year 76%. They fly 8 months out of 12 with 777-300ER everyday!!! Last year they had 210.820 passengers from Zagreb. For sure that is not "bad lack"

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    3. Canada is doing well. There wouldn't be two airlines flying this route if it wasn't.

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    4. Is this why they are downgrading the service in winter to the smaller 737?

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    5. If Emirates "didn't have luck" in Zagreb, they would have ceased the operations. On the contrary, flights are continuing to operate DAILY throughout the year. Their LF in summer is around 90 %. Now it will be the same during 3 most critical winter months, thanks to Flydubai eauipment and increased frequency which improves connectivity. The premiuim classes are also selling fine Emirates has no issues in ZAG and compared to for example first year of operations in BUD, the service is much more succesful. So stop trolling with EK "unluck" , "decrease", "catastrophy" and similar in ZAG because that is simply not the true. And I know it hurts a lot it's ZAG having Korean, Emirates and Air Canada, and soon more to come, not others in ex-yu, but you will just have to accept it and live with it

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    6. EK in ZAG:

      06.17 - 12.975
      07.17- 17.479
      08.17 - 17.198
      09.17 - 15.735
      10.17 - 15.448
      11.17 - 8.988
      12.17 - 8.658
      01.18 - 8.175
      02.18 - 6.780
      03.18 - 9.442
      04.18 - 13.023
      05.18 - 12.606

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    7. It's impressive how ZAG cheerleaders get triggered when anyone dares mention EK route... You can actually see how upset they get as every new comment gets longer and more defensive.
      Congrats, you've outdone BEG and JU ones, only that one SKP megalomaniac left to get to top...

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    8. Don't forget his buddy from Dubrovnik who claims that it will be number 2 soon. :D

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    9. Those Nemjee numbers are not true. Not even near. especially in June and July

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    10. And do you mind sharing yours?

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    11. You are right, June was 50.000 and July 80.000.

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    12. No 100,000 and 250,000!

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    13. 08.17 - 20.416
      09.17 - 18.321
      10.17 - 16.120
      11.17 - 12.233
      12.17 - 10.048
      01.18 - 9.104
      02.18 - 7.233
      03.18 - 12.122
      04.18 - 15.821
      05.18 - 16.555
      06.18 - 18.884
      07.18 - 21.201

      178.058 in one year. In July and August Emirates puts even 428 seats 777-300ER several times instead of 354, because there was more than 420 passengers on board.

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    14. An. 10.37
      Some people here constantly trying to show everything positive concerning ZAG as negative. And when some other people, as you like to say, dare, to speak out it's not true, than they are ZAG cheerleaders. Maybe you should look into dictionary under : objectivity

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    15. Well, if it's not about ZAG, then it's about JU negativity. We are used to it.
      Looking forward to see the KE A380 in Christmas despite people saying ZAG is not certified.
      They can still use 8 ladders and 6 buses to take the people to/from the terminal.

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    16. I still trust Nemjee more than some Anonymous who is probably to butthurt about ZAG loosing EK in winter.

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    17. I think most negative comments are related to either ZAG or JU. Remember when JU passed to the low-cost model? People were so negative.
      Remember when KE announced SEL via ZRH, people were so negative.
      Good that Nemjee never gets offended.

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    18. Anon 11.08

      From what I can see, even when you factor in those who flew on the route without being passengers it doesn't come close to what you posted.

      Still, if those numbers help you feel better then I can agree with you.

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    19. My statistics are official from Zagreb airports and yours?

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    20. From Eurocontrol, they get their numbers from both the airline and the airport.

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    21. Anon 11.59 if your numbers were real they would not be sending fly dubai.

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    22. 178.058 in a year si an average of around 488 pax per day which is way more than a 777 can seat.
      Either EK operated about a hundred A380 ZAG flights in stealth mode or your numbers are way off buddy...

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    23. Come to think of it, there were some suspiciously double decked planes hangin' around

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    24. And if you thought QR, LO or TK won't fight back, you are mistaken.

      I just made a random check for the prices: ZAG-SEL-ZAG for May 2019 and cheapest options were LO & TK 580 & 620€.

      TK will be very fierce starting this winter as they will have many slots and new 787 + 350 arriving. They announced DPS and will most likely expand more in Africa.
      EK will face very hard times in ZAG.
      QR will most likely deploy their A321 as they used to do before.
      The only way to tackle back is for EK to send A380 like they do in PRG to be much more competitive vs TK.

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    25. 178.058 is inbound and outbound, it is 89.029 per direction or 244 per flight.

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    26. Yeah, let's just delete all the comments and turn this forum into a club.
      Nemjee is giving us interesting figures which you don't have access to. It's interesting to see how our cities are doing. If you don't like the numbers because your airport is doing bad, then don't blame Nemjee!

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    27. It's interesting how Nemjee is very quick in posting Zagreb numbers.

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    28. You should be thankfull.

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    29. Not just Zagreb, you are not that special. Sorry.

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    30. @Nemjee16 August 2018 at 09:36


      "Nemjee16 August 2018 at 09:36
      EK in ZAG:

      06.17 - 12.975
      07.17- 17.479
      08.17 - 17.198
      09.17 - 15.735
      10.17 - 15.448
      11.17 - 8.988
      12.17 - 8.658
      01.18 - 8.175
      02.18 - 6.780
      03.18 - 9.442
      04.18 - 13.023
      05.18 - 12.606"

      From these numbers, assuming they're accurate, in past 12 months EK had 146000 pax on the route, however this number includes last 6 months of 2017 and first 6 months of 2018.

      Would be interesting to see the link to website where you got your information from, Eurocontrol does not publish numbers, i've checked the website and called them, and any information on traffic and volume of traffic might be private and not open to public.

      So if you can post the link to website you're getting your info from, would be nice.

      @Anonymous16 August 2018 at 11:08

      Hm, your data seems tad optimistic and perhaps you could also post the link to website where you're getting your info from, thank you.

      When you post "first hand" information, bare in mind, some of us are tad more demanding in verification processes, I have background in architecture https://www.tudelft.nl/en/ from delft university, so when I post figures I have tendency to back my claims with actual verifiable source. https://eurocontrol.int/topics/air-traffic-control - eurocontrol website, where on this site would I be able to check your data, feel free to post the links, thank you.

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    31. He wrote thousand times to now that he knows people who work there. The same way we get inside information on JP loads and when JATBEGMEL post information on EK loads. Just because you want all information to be publich doesn't mean it is.

      In the end we will lose all information because people keep on repeating same thing.

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    32. Ugh. Always the same story.
      Yes, a good friend of mine works for Eurocontrol and he is the one that provides me with these numbers. The reason why I, and some others on here, share information is because we know how horrible it is to be an aviation fan and to be kept in the dark about the most interesting aspect of avion: passenger loads.

      However, as time goes by attacks are getting more and more frequent and equally annoying. I have shared information for most airports in the region, both inside and outside the ex-YU but it seems that some on here prefer to be kept in the dark than to know the real situation out there.

      As something that was supposed to be for fun has turned into something that irritates me I will do a favour to a great number of posters on here by taking a break from commenting and sharing these information.

      I wish all of you a wonderful evening.

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    33. @Nemjee16 August 2018 at 18:52

      I see, it is not actually official data, but from friends's print screen sort of. Well, if you feel free to post the chart or map of the data, would be interesting, Also I was never aware of your previous statements in this regard, All I knew and heard was that you are getting data from Eurocontrol, I called Eurocontrol to find such data, they were not sure if they published such data and if they did, they must have data only for airport operators, not for the public, i.e private, however eurocontrol is a public organization financed by its members and the EU, so he was also confused why such data wouldn't be public, in short he thought they never had such data, upon me insisting they supposedly had.

      My contact at Eurocontrol was one of the managers on information and planning team. Although saw one of the team contacts, mr Ivanich (I think he is Croatian), not sure if this was your contact, the one I contacted was Dutch, so we had nice chat in Dutch.

      Anyhow, I wanted to know where exactly did you get your data from, however if it is from personal friend, the last thing we want you to post his printscreen as it might get him fired.

      @Anonymous16 August 2018 at 11:08
      08.17 - 20.416
      09.17 - 18.321
      10.17 - 16.120
      11.17 - 12.233
      12.17 - 10.048
      01.18 - 9.104
      02.18 - 7.233
      03.18 - 12.122
      04.18 - 15.821
      05.18 - 16.555
      06.18 - 18.884
      07.18 - 21.201

      You supposedly have link to website where this can be verified, or you as well are getting your info from "a friend". Cheers,

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    34. Stop being buthurt Noir dresses. It should be confirmation enough for you that Emirates decided to more than halve capacity and send their low cost partner to operate these flights.

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    35. I am not happy about this but I was sure it was going to happen. JATBEGMEL also stopped and now Nemjee also stopped. Maybe Anon 19.11 can have another chat in Dutch with Eurocontrol and get us some numbers since he was so annoying and stubborn with his requests.

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  3. They got the wrong city in the ad :D

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    1. Well I assume most tourists want to go and visit Dubrovnik. It's good to read that KE will consider more routes in Croatia. Hopefully charters at least.

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    2. I'm quite dissapointed that Dubrovnik still can't attract a single seasonal long haul service.

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    3. Korean Air advertisement for new Zagreb service...with a picture of Dubrovnik.

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    4. Yes. Because no tourist is flying to Zagreb alone. Korean tourists fly to Croatia and tour the country- therefore it doesn´t matter what they advertise in the picture. It is in fact logical to picture the most prominent city of the country you fly to. US carriers often advertise Bavarian castles when they launch routes like Hamburg or Berlin.

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    5. Look at the ad again. It clearly states the Jewel of the Adriatic (which is Dubrovnik) than Croatia than it says flights to Zagreb.

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    6. Shouldn't they actually fly to Dubrovnik instead?

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    7. @Anonymous16 August 2018 at 16:13

      Presumably, once Zagreb is well established, yes, they'll have a leg to Dubrovnik.

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  4. Well at least we don't have silly rumors that they are sending an A380 for the inaugural flights like some were writing here for Emirates.

    Wish them luck. I think they have a very good chance of doing well on this route.

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    1. We might see the A380 around Christmas or next July when it the high season. If so, ZAG will outbeat BUD and definitely put it to shame. The only 2 airports receiving A380 from the Eastern Europe and Balkans are ATH and PRG.

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    2. You realise Zagreb isn't certified to handle an A380?

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    3. Oh, I didn't know this. Thank you for the information! Do you know why?

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    4. On top of everything they are flying an A330 in summer and you expect them to send an A380 next year?

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    5. Because they have no need for it. When they install A380 gates which I heard they plan I assume they will get certifications to handle the A380.

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    6. Didn't Korean Air send their B747 a couple of times to ZAG during the charter flight season?

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    7. Korean doesn't have nearly enough A380s to just send them around randomly as demand pops up.

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    8. It's not just about gate. It's about runway/taxiway.

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    9. Zagreb is certified for A380.

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    10. Sure it is. Passengers can jump from the plane to disembark.

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    11. One air bridge instead of 2 does not make certification. With one bridge they need 60 minutes to load. Emirates has almost 3 hours in Zagreb. More than enough for loading A380.

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    12. I think in the region, only ATH and PRG are certified to handle the A380, not even BUD can.

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    13. A380 can land on more than 400 airports in this moment. Airport must have box 80x80 for that. Zagreb is airport with 80x80 box and all logistics and infrastructure for A380.

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    14. While it can land physically it has neither the logistics or infrastructure to handle the plane.

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    15. It does not? Says who?

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    16. VIE can also handle the A380. KE will NOT send the A380. People wrote the same for EK and in the end we got FZ.

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    17. Yes, it will send A380 one special occasions. Before launching ZAG, they used to fly ICN-VIE-ZRH, interestingly they ended the triangle route and substituted ZAG instead. So if the route works well, ZAG will end up having a non-stop on both ways and most likely service increase up to 4 weekly.

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    18. We were told EK would send an A380 for a special occasion in the first year. Still waiting.

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    19. 12:40 - Jealous, are we...? Bravo ZAG! BRAVO HRVATSKA!

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    20. So? 777-300ER is huge plane. In region it flies only to Zagreb. And every day! If A380 will come, nice, it will one day, but for sure 777-300 as 3rd the biggest plane in World to lend every day is more than fascinating!

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    21. So, it's the fact that you regularly spread false information and present it as if it's a matter of fact.

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    22. B777 flies three times per week to BEG. Etihad Cargo. Nice plane.

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    23. Again with the size obsession. Inspite of receiving "fascinating" widebodied aircraft every day, neither ZAG nor BEG are considered as big airports.
      In 2017, BEG inspite of the widebodies was the 82nd busiest airport in Europe behind NCL (regional UK airport).
      When both airports start operating more serious airlines such as SQ, JP, AA, DL, QF then we can start measuring genitalia.
      Meanwhile, lets focus on QR's A320, TK's A321 or SU's 320.

      But yes, no need to deny that KE is a real legacy and it is an honour for ZAG to be served by it.

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    24. Who did so? Some stupid kid does not have anything more clever to do? And because of that you have to repeat this every day? So mature.

      By the way do you read every but every day about announcement by Air Serbia president that 2nd A330 will come till end of 2016 (what was 2 years ago), that Air Serbia will open Toronto flights, that A320neo should come in 2 months?

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    25. It was the famed noir-dresses with his crystal ball.

      I repeat it every day? Where did I write it yesterday, or the day before?

      I'm one of the biggest critics of Air Serbia, so sorry, that won't work with me.

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    26. Actually since I write it "every but every day" could you provide a link where I mentioned it ever? I mentioned it today as I see the same nonsense being written and actively supported by others.

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    27. A380 is ugly. Give me a 777 any day!!

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    28. Well, I'm sure if an airline announces launching A380 to your airport, your "regional leading airport" pride will arise and you'll be telling us another story.
      Just take PRG, it puts WAW and BUD to shame serving the A380 on a daily basis.

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    29. Funny how Purger never bothered to update his table of widebodies in the ex-YU region. I guess what mattered was to write how ZAG overtook BEG until BEG reclaimed the rightful first spot on the list.

      Today we have over 15 weekly widebody flights into BEG yet we rarely brag about it. What matters is that ZAG tried, even if it partially fails at times as is the case with EK.

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    30. Lol 15 in 1 day...yeah right. BEG has also a large number of turboprops...ATR72, Dash 4, ATR42, which is why it is still standing at 5 million pax unlike BUD for example.

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    31. ^ You might want to read what he actually wrote. "Today we have over 15 WEEKLY widebody flights".

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    32. BEG has many Atr-42? Really? From what I know we have 9 weekly on RO and that's about it.

      Q400? Only Austrian sends it on the evening flight. Aegean used to send it as well but bookings were so strong it was increased to an A320.

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    33. What is the largest passenger jet sent to BEG? Only A330?

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    34. Actually A340-300.

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    35. In terms of passengers it's actually Qeshm's A300-600 which can seat 307 passengers. Next one is Mahan's A343 with 299 seats.

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    36. Hvala.

      Oh wow, Mahan A343 looks soooooo nice! They send it to VAR every week too. I wish they send the awesome A346 to BEG one day!
      But sure cool and exotic airplanes.

      Fun fact:

      Mahan code: W5
      Wizzair code: W6

      Pozdrav from SOF :)

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    37. You can also add Red Wings to the fun fact section as their code is WZ. :D

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    38. Haha! So it's all about the whiskey in BEG xDD

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  5. Given the large Croatian diaspora in Australia, will there be flights from PER-ZAG with the 789? I heard QF had many problems in UK because the cabin crew members were extremely tired and had few days off as a compensation...not sure they will be expanding in Europe but if they ever do, I hope they include ZAG.

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    1. They said they will add Paris and Rome. There are about 20+ cities/countries in Europe with larger diasporas in Perth then Croatian one.

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    2. How long will a flight from PER to ZAG take? 17 hours?

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    3. A full aircraft wouldn't be able to take-off on the way back due to runway lenght.

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    4. There is next to no chance of ZAG-Australia. The yield would be terrible with holiday makers and the only reason LHR is successful is because it’s a high yield, premium cabin destination. Even back in the day when QF flew to BEG it was a government owned company, for the sole purpose of collecting migrants. Times have changes since then and most Aussies if not all Aussies holiday in other European cities and not visit Croatia alone. Don’t get me wrong I would love this to happen but it’s just not viable today or in medium term.

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    5. It's a pity. But maybe ZAG-SYD would work. The Australian Department of Foreign Affairs believes that that there are about 150,000 Croats in Australia, whereas Croatian communities claim. This is a huge number!

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    6. The only nonstop flight from Europe to Australia is to London. And you expect someone to launch Zagreb?!?!

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    7. And also only European airline flying to Australia is British Airways.

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    8. But why not if there is a huge number of Croats in Australia? QF will probably launch CDG, FRA and then ZAG by 2022.

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    9. BA operates with a stop in Singapore if I remember correctly. The only non-stop flight from Australia to Europe is on Qantas from Perth. They said that cargo demand was unexpectedly hard.

      Still, who in his right mind wants to be stuck in an airplane for 19 hours?

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    10. my Boss had a Meeting with QF yesterday. The flights LHR-PER are doing extremly well and are in black since first month. Even LHR-PER flights use less fuel than previously predicted so cargo loads LHR-PER are up to 8 tons !!
      CDG will follow next year and most probably FRA in 2020.

      no other Destination in Europe mentioned

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    11. JU520, yes they are but read about the cabin crew fatigue and health concerns. They fly for almost 18 or 19 hours and then rest for the entire day in London at the hotel and then have to return. It's just horrorific.

      https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-advice/flights/the-problem-with-new-qantas-route/news-story/298a2a61df7d8a26b59571822e0bad6a

      Also, there were passengers in economy class claiming that the journey is indeed eternal and challenging, even though the aircraft is quite good - the 789.

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    12. There are 2 craws in every flight, changing in the middle of flight. And most of long-haul routes have 1 day brake in hotel before flying back next day. Not a big deal.

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    13. Are the craws caged or are they allowed to fly free through the cabin?

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  6. Do they have first class on the A330?

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    1. Yes they do. 6 seats.

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    2. But be warned their hard product is exactly the same as in business class.

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    3. Wow really. So what's the point then of having first class?

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    4. The soft product is better. But I agree I wouldn't bother.

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    5. Interesting. Didn't know that.

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    6. So not true. Korean first class is much better product with bigger space.

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    7. No it isn't, it's exactly the same cabin. Google it if you don't believe me.

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    8. So not true:

      777-200ER
      first 79-83 x 26,5 in
      business 74 x 21,6 in

      777-300ER
      first 83x20,6 in
      business 74x 20,6 in

      787-9
      first 82x20,8 in
      business 75x 20,8 in

      747-400
      first 83x21,2 in
      business 58x21,6

      747-8I
      first 83x20,1 in
      business 75x20,1 in

      A380:
      first 82x26,5 in
      business 60x 21,0 in

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  7. These flights are long overdue considering the number of Korean visitors to Croatia.

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  8. bit odd to start with these flights at the end of the summer season

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    1. Apparently Koreans travel outside of peak summer months. Or like to travel outside of peak summer.

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    2. But why were charters from Seoul to Zagreb always during the summer months only?

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    3. They were not They were before or after peak summer season, in april /may and september /october

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  9. Can't wait for them to launch. Will be nice seeing their B787 parked at the gate.

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    1. Will have to wait till January for that :)

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  10. What's most important is that this is a year round route, which is good to see.

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    1. Yes finally. First year round long haul route. And before some jump at me no I don't consider DXB-ZAG to be long haul at all. Neither does the airline.

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    2. Who cares if you consider DXB-ZAG long haul? What factor in World air business you are Anonymous? Eurocontrol considers this route as long haul. And I think they are little bigger authority in air business than you. Little bigger.

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    3. LOL! Yes, 5 hour flight with FZ is definitely long-haul....please...

      Eurocontrol defines short-haul routes as shorter than 1,500 km (810 nmi), medium-haul between 1,500 and 4,000 km (810 and 2,160 nmi) and long-haul routes as longer than 4,000 km (2,200 nmi).

      DXB-ZAG distance: 4000km

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    4. Againg not true.

      ZAG-DXB is 4.173 km

      And yes. By Eurocontrol it is long-haul (more than 4.000 km).

      By the way it is not 5 hours, but Dubai-Zagreb is 6:15 hours.

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    5. Buff...travelling 6h15m onboard a small Boeing 737 jet is not the best experience ever, especially if you are travelling cattle (Y) class. I wouldn't do it really. Once flew 3h30m with FR and it was a nightmare with their small Boeing 737...

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    6. FZ seatpitch in economy is 30'. OUCH

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    7. Not on the MAX. I'm 1.90m and was perfectly comfortable aboard the MAX.

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    8. If the journey is above 4 hours, I prefer a bigger plane. Just my personal preference. For me the Max seems small on such long flights - reminds me Ryanair in so many ways.

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  11. Will be interesting to see how many premium passengers there are on these flights.

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  12. I hope they will code share with OU to other ex-yu cities.

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  13. Emirates is currently cheaper than Korean Air on this route.

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    1. What are the prices like on EK?

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    2. I found return ticket for 750euros in September.

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    3. That's a very good price.

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    4. What are the return fares from Seoul to Zagreb like on Korean Air and are they competitive against EK and QR?

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    5. Don't know where you found rt tickets on EK for 750 euros in September.

      I'm currently looking mid September from ZAG to ICN and the cheapest option is actually Singapore Airlines via Copenhagen (codeshare with OU)! Then its Korean Air at $1,372 and then Emirates which is a dollar more expensive. Turkish Airlines, which is usually cheapest is among the most expensive.

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    6. Those prices are damn crazy. From BEG you can reach most Far East destinations for 600 EUR.

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  14. Good news for Australia-Asia market. There will be many possibilities for transfer.

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    1. EK will remain the main airline for Australian transfers to Australia without a doubt, especially since Flydubai operates to Dubrovnik.

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    2. KE will primarily serve the Korean market, then it will attract some from the broader East Asian market and may get some transfer passengers from Australia/NZ/S.E. Asia. All in all, enough of a market for this new service.

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    3. Current schedule does not allow a good connection on to ICN - ZAG from Australia/NZ/Asia. Most destinations require 1 night in SEL. Their primary pax are groups from the Korean tour operators.

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    4. In the past KE offered free hotel stays in Incheon for connecting passengers from Australia who have to stay overnight and then onward to Europe. I took up this option once to Frankfurt and liked it.

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  15. Well done Zagreb!

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  16. I doubt they will get a codeshare with Croatia Airlines, since OU already codeshares with Asiana.

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    1. It's unfortunate because KE can't sell for example DBV via ZAG on their website.

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    2. Well if OU was smart they would terminate the codeshare with Asiana and do one with Korean instead.

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    3. Speaking of codeshares, will the Korean cs on CSA from Prague remain?

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    4. Who cares about OK. They are a joke. They cut SKP and will be absent from ZAG most of winter.

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    5. OK flies to SEL and has a A330 while OU doesn't. I wouldn't call them a joke just their standard went really down.
      I think they cut SKP because of poor LF and not the inconvenient schedule.

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  17. I fear QR will loose out the most here, even more than Emirates.

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    1. I don't think so. They will fly double daily in winter too. EK will become much less competitive once Flydubai takes over.

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  18. Well done Zagreb! Air Transat, Air Canada, Emirates and Korean Air at an airport with 3,4 million Pax!

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  19. Hopefully we get more good news soon.

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  20. I do wonder if the number of tourists from Korea will actually increase because of this new line.

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    1. Of course it will. Just like it was with Air Transat and Air Canada

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    2. most probably because there are people that only fly if they have a direct flight.

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  21. KE should join hands with OU and connect the coastal airports via ZAG and code-share. The same goes for ZAG domestic Korean airports. They can feed each other mutually.

    That said, SKP will see further reductions this winter. QR just announced that flights will operate 3 weekly instead of 4. It seems that the route is not doing so well :(

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    1. The KE-OU deal wouldn't work as mama in Frankfurt wouldn't be too happy especially since they can't make FRA-ICN daily in winter. Fail.

      Also KE is not non-stop in winter meaning connections wouldn't be as competitive as with TK for example.

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    2. Aha, yes it is really so true! Lufti is bitchy and we know it. Remember what they did to Michael regarding Lauda aircraft lease?

      Regarding point 2, wasn't the routing ICN-ZAG-ZRH or ICN-ZRH-ZAG ?

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    3. As for point 2, it would be ok one way but not the other as they would have to stop one way.

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