Adria mulls Bern base


Adria Airways has confirmed it is considering opening a base in the Swiss capital of Bern following the bankruptcy of the city's main carrier SkyWork Airlines last week. Adria's Chief Commercial Officer, Christian Schneider, told the "Austrian Aviation" portal, "The situation on the Bern market has changed and we are now examining opportunities, but we have not yet finalised any plans. For example, we see potential in flights to Munich and London City. We are considering it but there is no concrete decision yet". Adria intended on opening a base in the city last year with two Saab 2000 turboprop aircraft after Swiss authorities temporarily grounded SkyWork Airlines for a short period of time. However, it shelved such plans after the airline managed to retain its Air Operator's Certificate. At the time, the Slovenian airline intended on launching flights from Bern to Munich, Vienna, Berlin and Hamburg.

Other carriers are also eyeing opportunities in Bern with Helvetic Airways, People's Viennaline and JetClass also planning new flights to the Swiss city. Adria will open another new base next month, with the carrier to introduce flights from the German city of Paderborn to Zurich, Vienna and London Southend. Outside of Ljubljana, the Slovenian carrier boasts a base in Pristina from which it handled 177.166 passengers in 2017. Last year, Adria closed down its base in Lodz in Poland. Over the past few years it has also considered stationing an aircraft in Klagenfurt in Austria, as well as Verona and Bratislava.

Meanwhile, Adria is finalising plans for the upcoming winter season. As EX-YU Aviation News learns, the carrier is preparing to wet-lease aircraft and crew to a record number of airlines as part of its developing ACMI business which has received a further boost with the recent arrival of Saab 2000 aircraft. However, the airline is also looking into wet-leasing its Bombardier and Airbus equipment as well. Last week, Mr Schneider noted, "From the winter season moving forward, I expect more stability, and our dedication will be aimed at restoring our customer’s confidence and improving the quality of services".

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  1. And just when I was happy they were focusing on LJU

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    1. What do you expect them to do with a fleet of 21 planes from Ljubljana. They have to find new markets and/or ACMIs.

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    2. The first airline from the exyu to open bases outside our region. Good work Adria.

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    3. Bravo for Adria! Creative work!

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  2. Here we go again ... all their bases outside Slovenia eventually fail.

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    1. Don't worry, that one is destined to fail too.

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    2. Pristina has held up well.

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  3. "The carrier is preparing to wet-lease aircraft and crew to a record number of airlines"

    Adria ACMI Airways.

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    1. I don't remember them ever leasing out Airbuses so it will be interesting to see if they do and to who.

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    2. Last winter they were wet leasing one A319 to Eurowings

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    3. Didn't they lease airbus to Eurowings last year?

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    4. They did and it looks like they will be doing it again.

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    5. Plenty of other ACMI operators offering A320 leases for lower prices JP is able to sustain.

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  4. Bern is probably higher yielding then say Pristina.

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    1. Odakle ti takve sjajne ideje. Zar ne vidis da propadaju tamosnje avio kompanije, Swiss cak dva puta. U toj zemlji je nemoguce napraviti profit u aviosaobracaju.

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    2. Svis je među najprofitabilnijim firmama unutar LH Grupe.

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    3. Šta je sa SN Brussels Airlines? Čitao sam da afričke rute takođe dobro izgledaju

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    4. Pogledaj Swiss, Germaniju i Helvetic, pa Easy Jet. Koliko su napravili profita? Swiss je jedna od najprofitabilnih komapanija u LH Grupi. Veoma moguce napravit posao u CH ali treba igrat no monkey business i ne sa poniexpressima.

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    5. Vama treba crtati da su dva puta bankrotirali toliko dobar biznis prave. Sve vi dobro znate pa imate CA, AS, Adriu i MA.

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    6. The time will show if all this new bases are reantable.

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    7. Reantable = rentabilan ....lol

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  5. Well let's hope for the best

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  6. I'm just wondering how can this be profitable for JP? I mean they have to base crew there, they have to have some person on the ground there...

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    1. I agree and it makes no sense for me that they fly to Southend from Paderborn but to London City from Bern.

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    2. SEN is a village. As a legacy airline, JP needs to fly to either Heathrow or London City airport.

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    3. the PAD - SEN was called a test, and the least significant part of the PAD engagement, it may change by march to LCY, CDG or whatever, as long as ZRH is preforming as expected.

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    4. JP, legacy airline, seriously? Wet leasing old Eastern European junk while renting their regional jets to other airlines...

      Now, which legacy airline does that?

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    5. Legacy airline wet leasing old Eastern European junk? KLM for instance.

      Carpatair has three planes, while Adria was leasing one of them, KLM used other two. And continues to use.

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    6. OK, but they are doing this to fill a gap in their capacity, not so they can lease their own aircraft to other airlines. Unlike Adria...

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    7. Is there any difference for the passangers?

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  7. As I wrote few days ago Carpatair v2.0 in the making. Saabs are comming > The winter is coming :, -D

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  8. They know very well that the Slovenian market is limited and that they have too many aircraft for it. So I think starting Bern would be a good idea.

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    1. Kako da ne vec su sprzili jednu svajcarsku avio kompaniju i sad uskacu umesto druge propale. Vreme je da i oni zatvaraju svoju.

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    2. Just the opposite. The fact that the competition has failed doesn't mean they will/have to fail too ... Your logic would bring everbody on the market to fail, what is not exactly the case, is it ?

      Bern market is for sure more lucrative than Priština .... business vs Gastarbeiter market

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    3. Tebi ne dotice do mozga da su Sky Works leteli istim tim Saabovima i da su upravo propali?

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    4. A dugo su izdržali u Luganu i Genevi. Čak tri mjeseca. Kako će onda uspjeti u Bernu?

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  9. They should apply for Macedonian subsidies and open a base in Skopje!

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    1. That ship has sailed.

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    2. They can't compete against Wizz on Macedonian market.

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    3. MK no longer generous on subsidies... :D

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  10. After their last experience in Switzerland, I wouldn't recommend it.

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    1. Thy got money out of that.

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    2. Sure, not enough even to paint the Saabs properly.

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  11. How are their loads to Dubrovnik and OTP?

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  12. "From the winter season moving forward, I expect more stability, and our dedication will be aimed at restoring our customer’s confidence and improving the quality of services".

    What stability is he talking about for winter?
    Winter is the worst season for airlines

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    1. I hope it means they will actually operate all flights they are selling tickets for.

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    2. In the winter they will. But there will be a lot of dissatisfied customers from other airlines when they see an Adria plane (especially turboprops) for their flights.

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    3. Saab 2000 in not unpleasent plane to fly at all, problem is it is actually money burner, with only 50 seats and strong and thirsty engines

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    4. Ma cool maznu 6 komada od Sky Worksa i imaju pola svetske flote Saabova. Nezapamceni uspeh, jaci su od VLMa.

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  13. Adria: LH Group's official bread crumb collector.

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    1. Anonymous5 September 2018 at 09:19

      I am sure you would rather go hungry !

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  14. Smart strategy to move to higher yield markets.

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  15. Bern-London in a turboprop ....

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    1. Of course - It was always on turboprop. Check the distance, it is not too far.

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    2. What's the flight time?

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    3. Total block time 1:40 SX500/SX501 on turboprop.

      Remember that JA was flying SJJ to CPH on the ATR? That was a long ride on a prop - twice as long as BRN-LCY.

      Here are some longer distances on turboprops for comparison:

      BRN LCY 316° (NW) 314° (NW) 462 mi

      SJJ CPH 345° (N) 341° (N) 853 mi

      DUS OMO 133° (SE) 131° (SE) 758 mi

      VIE LUX 286° (W) 282° (W) 484 mi

      VIE LYS 257° (W) 253° (W) 568 mi

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  16. Total waste of time. This airlines doesn't know what they are doing. Stick to LJU and develop it instead of spreading yourself thin with tiny bases elsewhere.

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    1. Agree completely. Focus on LJU!

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    2. I don't think that JP is stupid. They are carefully picking up on routes and LJU is apparently quite limited as a market. We have repeated this several times, that LJU is just close to many many big airports nearby and with Schengen it's just super easy. You take the car and bus...park the car, take the plane and get back.
      Trieste Airport for instance has registered almost 800,000 passengers in 2017 which was somewhere between PUY and SJJ in terms of traffic and will soon be served with LH!
      Of course, geographically LJU is the most northern part of the Balkans but also strategically located to many cities.
      And of course, the biggest shark is VCE and you also have TSF.

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    3. LH has been serving Trieste for years, currently 3 times per day from MUC.

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    4. Stvarno ne razumete da niko ne zeli da pravi skupa presedanja kada ima jeftine direktne letove WIZZa i I Ezija?

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    5. Slovenian market is limited. If they want to expand, they need to open bases elsewhere.

      Why is nobody flaming Ryanair for expanding outside of Ireland? I'm pretty sure there's market for 400 B737s in Ireland...

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  17. But If they are going to have a base in Bern, this means that cabin crew will be from Switzerland or they will have Slovenians there in Switzerland?

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    1. It will be European crew. If I remember correctly they were recruiting through some Swiss agency? Pilots I assume will be Slovenian.

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    2. Pilots also European. Adria hires anyone with EU passport.

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    3. Funny how times change, not so long ago you needed a certified pedigree to get hired and now they hire anybody who has a licence :)

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  18. I think JP is lost again :( Why don't they launch LCY if there so much demand for London now????? The CR7/CR9 is the perfect aircraft!

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    1. Actually CRJ CAN NOT operate LCY. But Saab200 can.

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    2. Ouch, but that would be a loooong ride, don't you think?
      Reminds me a bit of TGD-CPH route operated with a turboprop :D
      Or now Zagreb-Dubai in December :S

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    3. Actually it's not so bad, Saab 2000 is quite fast turboprop with cruising speed of 370 kt.

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    4. They could, but JP's management in the 1990s/2000s made a mistake with choosing CRJ over E-Jet, which turned out to be a much more versatile aircraft.

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    5. E90 actually stucked in development that's why it wasnt successful. E2 is technically different story but if it's not taken over by major manufacturer would happen the same like with CS if ABus would not take over.

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  19. Would be nice if they open LJU -ATHENS route , in the same hours as Kiev so night flight to Athens and morning flight back to LJu , they would catch so many transfer passengers and so many slovenian pax :) would be nice to think about that :)

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    1. They used to fly to Athens but it didn't work out for either them or Aegean.

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    2. ok but Aeagen now have smaller dash planes so i think would be nice to try again .... i heard that Aegean planes were almost full so i dont know why they stop flying ....

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    3. Aegean had Q400 when they fly Ljubljana (Olympic), but did not use them on the route.

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  20. What about LJU -ATHENS route ? they could get so many transfer passengers , if hours would be the same as Kiev., night flight to Athens ,and morning flight back to Lju , and they could get so many pax also from slo:)

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  21. Company should try to make profit anywhere they can. If they think Bern is where they can make money, so be it.

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  22. BRN will probably subsidize the flights and that's why Adria is interested. Remember that the Lodz flights were also subsidized and as soon as those ended they stopped flying from Lodz.

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  23. Adria needs to start serving the Adriatic coast. They should reach out to ZAD as they are experiencing a really bad year, second month of consecutive passenger decline. The airport should be desperate enought to work with them.

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    1. I invite the ZAD management to visit DBV :) the problem is not with Zadar but with the management. DBV has the most western management in the whole area.
      But JP failed with BWK so I doubt there will be demand for ZAD, but maybe yes.

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  24. Well they never stop to amaze.

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  25. Bern is a beautiful city.

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    1. Reason enough for them to open a base there :D

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  26. They should mull Maribor instead.

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    1. They are not interested.

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    2. Adria flew to Southend from Maribor in 2015. Hopefully Paderbron route will be more successful.

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  27. The Swiss/German market is more lucrative than ex-yu or polish markets and the owners are Germans so they know this market better.

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  28. They have grown beyond Ljubljana and its potential. I support them exploring new markets.

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  29. Who are they going to serve there? Is there a large catchment area or something?

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    1. They seem to open bases at airports no other airlines fly to or have failed at.

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  30. Well let's hope for the best. In fact these routes are for feeding Star alliance (Lufthansa group) hubs, but in this situation this is it what Adria can get as member of Star alliance. Adria is just regional airline with very small base of potential travellers on scheduled routes out from Slovenia. In this situation there is just no other way for it than to expand on other markets too.

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    1. Agree. JP needs to try something different, since what it is doing now is not setting the world on fire. They shouldnt be critised for trying. You should only critise decisions which are repeated & failed ones rather ones which are different to existing ones.

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    2. I think JP can try far destinations and connecting them with the Balkans. Say, lease 2 cheap A330s and deploy them from BEG and LJU.

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    3. Yes, small widebody operations are insanely profitable. Have a look at JU's JFK route, or BH Air's A330 project. Pure gold.

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    4. Is BEG-JFK makes losses? I thought it was the most profitable route.
      So many years have passed now.

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    5. Read
      https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/06/air-serbia-eyes-profitability-on-long.html

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    6. I get it, JFK will be profitable ... in the future. But it's apples and oranges. JFK is politicaly run project with government money and support, Adria is trying to be a self-sustaining entity on the free market.

      There is zero economical sense in Adria getting one or two widebodies. The end.

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    7. JFK was doing very well last summer and they added 20% capacity this summer by flying 6 times a week, up from 5 last year. They are out of the woods now and it's time for the second widebody.

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  31. Does anyone know when JP plans to publish their winter schedule? The article says they are finalising their schedule. Any information if they will launch LED?

    Do you think that the use SAABs will have an impact on the prices of routes, on which they will deploy them? Everyone keeps saying how expensive and cost ineficient this planes are, so this should mean the prices will go up.

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    1. Apparently Geneva is being cancelled. From what I hear and like the text hints A LOT of aircraft will be wet leased this winter, as in 10+

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    2. Im surprised GVA didnt work out. But its also true that one summer is not enough to establish the route. I hope they keep it like it was said that all the new routes will be kept in the winter season.

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    3. If they lease so many planes they will stop flying from lju
      From my info they will lease almost all saabs

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    4. Where did you find/heard that they will lease out 10+ planes? Stop trolling!! They will lease out max 5 planes!!!

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    5. That is still a lot becuse usually they fill more then 50seats on some routes

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    6. Well they have 21planes which means that 15 will be in LJU so its ok!

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    7. Its not how many planes they have becuse saabs which have to few seats and use a lot of fuel

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  32. And we are still waiting on those financial results from them.

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  33. How soon could this base open? Winter 2018/19 or summer 2019?

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    1. Winter for sure. They have the available aircraft, plus there is no point in letting other airlines enter the market.

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    2. Da li ti zaista mislis da se otimaju da lete sa aerodroma u Bernu?

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    3. Da, vec su dve kompanije najavile nove letove u poslednja 3 dana.

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  34. I think JP has potential out of LJU on yearly: LED,BCN,TLV,MXP,SEN and seasonal: OSL,DUB,LIS,MAD,ROM + charters!

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    1. not to forget with charters supplier between LJU and POW!

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    2. Yes shuttle between LJU and POW is same brilliant as opening base in BER. 4 airlines buncrupt or run away from there but Schneider will reinvent the weel again.

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    3. charter flights for POW... SAABs can do it and sell to russian market for example. i think it could work.

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  35. Saab 2000 je moderan i ekonomican avion,radim kao aviomehanicar za Adria Slovenia i privatno vozim izvrstan njihovi proizvod automobil Saab 9-5 2.0 TiD Vector zadnja serija 2011 prije likvidacije tvornice automobila Saab.

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    1. U Engleskoj u istoj tvornici se proizvodi veoma dobar business avion HondaJet i sport automobili Civic type R.

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    2. Da Saab je jako moderan avion u 2018ti. Javi se kad budes imao B1 na SB20 pa ces pricat kako se spasava AOG samo na osnovi spare avione, a rezervnih dijelova mozes naci vise u Obiju u Kranju nego u poolu. PS izvino al ti vozis opela (GM) sa Saabovim logom. Pravi Saabovi su se radili do +/- 2000 kasnije su ti Opelice

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  36. Adria just posted financial results for 2017 - 5 million loss

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