VINCI, Etihad to work to expand Air Serbia


Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport and Etihad Airways have reiterated their support for Air Serbia, with the former noting it will work closely with the carrier to enable it to expand in the coming year, primarily through the development of its long haul network. In a statement, Belgrade Airport's operator said, "Air Serbia is the airport's first airline and largest partner by far, beyond being the flagship carrier of the country. One of the main objectives for VINCI Airports will be to work hand-in-hand, as a key component of the company's development strategy for Nikola Tesla Airport. The strategy will strive to improve passengers' journey by elevating the quality of service to new heights and developing a new commercial offer that celebrates Serbian culture and knowhow. An ambitious investment plan will support this strategy, adding to the existing capacity of the airport. VINCI will specifically enable Air Serbia to offer new long haul routes".

The French concessionaire added, "With an ambitious vision for Belgrade Airport that's aligned with Serbia's strong economic growth potential, VINCI Airports will aim specifically at improving operating conditions, making Belgrade a standout example of a top airport in Southeast Europe. As a new member of VINCI Airports' global network, Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport will be supported by a corporate policy that places environmental and community concerns at the heart of its model. VINCI Airports' exclusive AirPact Strategy will help reduce the airport's carbon footprint, optimise the use of energy and natural resources and protect biodiversity. Meanwhile, the VINCI Airports academy will empower the teams at Belgrade Airport by boosting their skills and knowhow, thus paving the way for great professional careers throughout its network".

On the other hand, Etihad Airways has also confirmed it will continue to support Serbia's national carrier, as the two airlines embark on a new phase of their strategic partnership following five years of cooperation. Etihad, which, in addition to Air Serbia, holds shares in Jet Airways, Virgin Australia and Air Seychelles, noted, "We have investments in all of these businesses, and we have a responsibility on behalf of our shareholder that we take full opportunity to develop them”. It also noted, "We are looking forward to the next phase of our equity partnership with Air Serbia as an engaged and supportive shareholder and cooperative partner". A number of Air Serbia's key departments have now moved from Abu Dhabi back to Belgrade. The airline also recently named its new head of Network Planning, who formerly held the same posts at both British Airways and easyJet. The role was previously managed by Etihad from Abu Dhabi.

Comments

  1. So much for claims by some people how Vinci will do anything to hurt JU.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. and someone claims that? who and whan?

      Delete
    2. Of course they won't do anything to hurt Air Serbia which is their biggest customer. At least not in the first few years. What they will do is bring airlines on routes Air Serbia doesn't fly or on routes Air Serbia does fly to but can cooperate with the other airlines - for example Air France to Paris.

      Delete
    3. Another good example is KK. I am sure Vinci sweetened the deal for them to come back. Also, SU moving its departure to 20.20 from 18.45 could have something to do with the airport wanting to boost operations during the quiet periods.

      Delete
    4. The most important thing is that the airport won't deliberately go out of their way to restrict competing airlines and their operations. Proof of this is the huge increase in frequencies next summer by airlines, particularly * alliance airlines.

      Delete
    5. Being welcoming to new airlines starting flights and existing carriers of BEG increasing frequencies is enough to hurt ASL.
      The airline needs major cost cutting and change of management attitudes to be able to compete.

      Delete
    6. Cost cutting? I don't think that's what JU needs. Their costs are already low enough, they need to increase revenue.

      Delete
    7. Nemjee JU has roughly the same number of employees with A3.
      But A3 with 2,500 staff carries 5-6 times more passengers!!!
      The airline for its size and the revenues it generates is incredibly overstaffed. Not just against the Greeks but compared with all airlines it competes with.

      Delete
    8. My point is that JU can't shrink itself into profitability, in order to survive they need to grow. Look at what LOT did and how they transformed themselves. Also, would be good to see how many employees they have now when they shut down ASGS.

      Delete
    9. Why does JU have such a huge workforce? It reminds us a bit of AZ, who have 12,000! Not sure why you will need a whole small town of people to operate 98 aircraft! That's 122 employees for each plane.
      If JU has 2300 and a fleet of 21 aircraft including Aviolet, that's almost the same proportion as AZ - 110 employees per plane.

      Agean - 2493 and fleet 49 - 51 employees per aircraft.

      Crazy!!

      Delete
    10. Ex-YU do you know what is the exact workforce in JU now? What is the most recent number?

      Delete
    11. Not having five times more employees for the number of passengers you need to serve doesn't mean you are shrinking as a company.
      It just your loses that are going to shrink. :)

      Delete
    12. Anonymous 3 January 2019 at 09:45
      Aegean's fleet is 61 aircraft! Wikipedia doesn't lest the Olympic aircraft (Q400 and ATR) but all the employees and revenues of the company.
      I really do not understand why JU needs so many employees....

      Delete
    13. So Aegean with a fleet of 61 planes served by 2493 employees means they have about 40 employees per aircraft!
      I seriously doubt the 110 employees per aircraft ration for JU provides us with much better services than Aegean does to its own customers.

      Delete
    14. Was Jat Tehnika part of the previous Jat Airways? If not, does it somehow have any relation with the new JU or is it a separate holding?
      Maybe those big JU figures include some other JU mini divisions - hotels, catering services, etc.

      Delete
    15. Jat Tehnika was separated from Jat in 2004 and is a separate company. JU's figures include catering and ground handling services.

      Delete
    16. Vinci should encourage U2 to start a lot more flights to BEG.
      They have a good cooperation and U2 does not fly to sheds in the middle of nowhere.

      Delete
    17. Nemjee, once again you shoot from the hip. The only truth you write is that JU needs to grow it's revenue. And to do this, they need to get better sales people, because the existing folks have proven themselves incapable of doing the job. Time to invest in new people with new ideas who can deliver. people they have, have done jack !

      As for costs, Nemjee, you are way off the mark. Not sure where you get such a throw away line that their costs are already low enough. Based on what info do you say that ? The reality is that their c/Ask is twice what Wizz and Ryanair is. It is also almost 50% higher than Aegean. This is not a recipe for success. Infact, they have much work to do to improve their financial situation.

      It is not about shrinking their way to profitability - with 21 aircraft, how on earth can they do that ? They need to get better results with the assets they have and start by increasing their revenue, especially outside of the peak summer period. This means growing their LF's, getting better utlisation of their aircraft (incl wetleasing aircraft out), growing their charter business AND in further reducing their cost base - which is simply too high. This needs to start with the headcount.

      Delete
    18. Anon at 10:55
      +1000
      Great post, thank you.

      Delete
    19. Huh? Where exactly did I say that they don't need new management or sales people? They obviously can't grow with these people in charge which is why I said that EY management leaving is one of the best things to have happened to Serbian civil aviation. Furthermore, do we even know how many employees JU has now when they shut down ASGS?

      Like someone mentioned above, JU employees also count Air Serbia maintenance, catering and so on. It's not just cabin crew and HQ staff.

      As for JU costs, it was actually reported on here some time ago, I think it was in one of the interviews given by Hogan or Dane. Can't remember now. Also, simply saying that JU costs are 50% higher than Aegean's based on the number of employees is extremely wrong as that's not the only parameter taken into consideration when looking at the cost structure.

      Delete
    20. Nemjee, from your comment, it is obvious that you are not familiar with this critical metric of airline costs or how it is derived/calculated. It means cost per available seat kilometre and is measured as cents / ask ... what you have written makes no sense, especially the reference to Aegean and in somehow suggesting that the c/ask is higher due to headcount. My comment above was very specific and clear, so perhaps u may want to re-read it again, just so that you are clear.

      Delete
    21. He said there is more than the number of employees to consider when calculating cask.

      Delete
    22. https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/casm.asp

      Delete
    23. I am genuinely curious to see how you came to this conclusion:
      'It is also almost 50% higher than Aegean.'

      Delete
    24. CAPA industry subscription ....

      Delete
    25. except that CAPA has no clue, they just have CASK estimates...

      Delete
    26. Anon 17.31

      +1

      Also most of their analyses are very basic.

      Delete
    27. When you talk about c/ask and costs, I see that all of you calculate the number of employees, but not considering that 1 employee of Agean/wiz/Ryan is 4 times bigger than the cost of 1 employed in JU.

      Delete
    28. Anonymous at 17:29
      LOL, that is some serious delusion!

      Delete
    29. Delusion? How? Just check average salary and you will see....This is Serbia not EU....

      Delete
  2. So the expansion seems to be more than certain? I really hope they launch some new European airlines. As for long haul my guess is either Toronto or Chicago.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. With elections expected to be held in Serbia in late March, I wouldn't be surprised that they announce new routes right about that time.

      Delete
    2. I still don't get that there are people who think that just because an airline opens some routes they would vote for a certain party, especially since the majority of people who vote for that particular party have never even been on a plane.

      Delete
    3. These typo of voters may have never been in an airplane but they do care about "prestige" and the perception that the country is developing, becoming more like western Europe and that somehow they will also be better off in the future.
      That mentality of course exists to all Balkan countries and not just in Serbia.

      Delete
  3. And the biggest support will continue to come from the government i.e taxpayers.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Dobrovoljno dajem dinar :)

      Delete
    2. We are always happy to give our taxes for JU.
      Think of all the prestige we enjoy every time a JU flight takes off!!!

      Delete
    3. Aren't you proud that your National Carrier flies to JFK and forms part of one of the most prestigious airlines in the planet - Etihad?

      Delete
    4. Don't you people (Happy taxpayer included) get bored of repeating the same line over and over in every single news?

      Delete
    5. Das dinar a uzmes dva :) osnovi Ekonomije

      Delete
    6. Whatever Air Serbia gets is peanuts compared to the losses made every year by Železnice, Elektrodistribucija, Putevi Srbije and other state mammoths. If you're going to complain about the waste of taxpayers' money, start with the gaping holes. Otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

      Delete
    7. Anonymous at 09:29
      I certainly feel very prestigious every time I think of JU!
      I feel like I am George Clooney drinking an expensive single malt whisky in a Manhattan bar.
      My wife doesn't think so though and she says I need to go get my head examined.

      Delete
    8. Change the record taxpayer.

      Delete
    9. Anonymous 3 January 2019 at 09:32
      I am unhappy about giving my money to all these companies.
      But here is an AVIATION blog so I will complain about JU, not Putevi.
      Sorry if that hurts your feelings.

      Delete
    10. Happy taxpayer, maybe your wife is giving you hints that you failed her since you can't afford to book her tickets in JU business class. ;)

      Delete
    11. Anonymous at 09:42
      I will continue to express my opinion. If it angers you stop reading my posts.
      Problem solved!

      Delete
    12. But all you do is complain... The purpose of a forum like this is to discuss the news. Not just constantly complain about the same thing over and over, no matter what the news is. We get that the government is subsidising the airline. Is there anything we can do about it? No. Move on or do something to change it. Complaining here will make no difference.

      Delete
    13. "But here is an AVIATION blog so I will complain about JU, not Putevi.
      Sorry if that hurts your feelings."

      It doesn't. I'm just saying that the house is on fire and you're complaining about the electricity bill.

      Delete
    14. @Happy taxpayer

      We get the message it was repeated many times. Some other taxpayer in SKP must be very happy to see his taxes being used to support only one airline to many secondary airports while he still can't get nonstop to LHR, CDG, FRA, MOW etc. B&H taxpayer in TZL without any relatives in diaspora must be excited to see his taxes go to supporting airport so that airline can take all the profit abroad. Any taxpayer at any FR destination in wider region must be happy to part ways with his hard earned euros to provide direct subsidy to fat cats at Ryanair. Montenegro uses taxpayers money to cover red in at flag carrier. Taxpayers almost everywhere support aviation in one way or another. Repeating the taxpayer complaint will not change anything. In case you forgot the rules: Posts may be deleted or edited as determined in EX-YU Aviation News' absolute discretion if they contain:... Repetitive posts copied and pasted or duplicated by a single or multiple readers

      Delete
  4. Etihad no longer managing Air Serbia is probably the best development in Serbian aviation since AeroPut was set up.

    Personally, I don't think Etihad will do much to help JU grow its network, it's all PR. Their A332 fleet is being retired and can't be transferred to JU as engines don't match. Before fantasizing about expanding long-haul, maybe EY should first manage to run double daily flights between BEG and AUH on a year-round basis. They need to expand their market to neighboring countries, especially Romania and Croatia. Half of Slavonija already flies to their holiday destination from BEG.

    What is important for JU is to have Vinci backing them, this is the partnership that matters. Who knows, maybe we see JU launch BEG-LGW next year like they did some years ago. Vinci could help them get the slots they need. If not JU then Wizz Air or someone else can.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. What do aircraft engines have to do with the aircraft being used by Air Serbia?

      Delete
    2. YU-ARA's engines don't match the ones used on Etihad's A332s so it makes little sense for EY to transfer its own A330s to JU. So even if JU does get extra long-haul aircraft they will have to come from elsewhere.

      Delete
    3. But so what if they don't match? I still don't see why that would be a problem. The word is the aircraft won't be operated by Air Serbia crew anyway.

      Delete
    4. Nemjee, I don't think JU has more margin in Romania. There is already very fierce competition going on - W6, FR, 0B, RO and not to mention the W6 extreme coverage in 10 Romanian airports!

      https://wizzair.com/en-gb/flights/map#/

      The "richest" Romanian cities are already covered: CLJ, TSR

      If FR didn't succeed in TSR and OMR, I doubt JU will be able to do it.

      JU must focus in Africa, Iberian market and the Middle East + Caucasus:

      MAD/BCN, LIS, CAI, CMN, AUH as you previously said, EVN, TBS, GYD.

      Other possibilities in Europe: RIX (code share with BT), VNO, LEJ, SVX, MAN, DUB.

      Delete
    5. Well if the aircraft is based in BEG then that's where the maintenance will be done. It will create unnecessary extra cost for the airline. That's why airlines with smaller fleets try to streamline such things to reduce expenses.

      Delete
    6. Anon 09.27

      I am not talking about launching flights to TSR, a lot of Romanians already use BEG. They come here with buses.
      Same thing with Croats. Do you know how many Croatian holidaymakers from Osijek use BEG for flights to Greece? A lot. This is what I am talking about.

      Etihad can become more proactive in stimulating demand from neighboring markets. Same for JU.

      Delete
    7. Oh sorry, I didn't know Osijek locals use BEG that much. Is there any type of organised and coordinated transport from the city to BEG airport?
      I am not sure about TSR, but know that LH has been flying there for years now and if FR closed their base is because there was very few interest. W6 also has 2 Airbuses based there, if I am not mistaken.
      Maybe you are right of course, you are the BEG expert after all, amigo ;)

      Delete
    8. Yes, tour operators from Croatia sell these packages from Belgrade. People come to BEG by bus and then board charter flights to seaside destinations. I heard some time ago JU even considered introducing charter flights from OSI, same way they did from BNX, but... politics blocked them.

      As for Romania, I think they use BEG for flights that are either not offered or that are not convenient from TSR. I remember flights to DTM and LCA on Wizz Air always have a considerable amount of Romanian passengers. DTM is especially strange as it's served from TSR. Maybe it's cheaper to fly from BEG... or maybe these Romanians don't come from TSR's catchment area.

      Delete
    9. Shame about OSI. They need all flights they can get. Maybe they launch them this year?

      Delete
    10. Nemjee, you are naive if you believe hat ETihad no longer manages JU. Ofcourse they do. The EY appointed CEO is still the CEO today and will continue to be the CEO for some time yet. Until the majority shareholder appoints a CEO free of EY involvement, only then will EY's involvement be less invasive than it has been or will continue to be.

      Delete
    11. Well, Declan Keller left as well so that's one EY staff member less. ;) Also, this transition takes time, one by one position will be switched to new guys. Give it time, don't be annoying with your endless pessimism. Seriously, this obsession with everything being turned into a conspiracy theory is getting old. It's especially hilarious how you think Etihad cares about JU or as if it's some goose that lays the golden egg. JU is a small, struggling carrier that's a blimp on Etihad's radar. The sheer fact they gave up on managing the airlines is best proof of that. They gain next to nothing by insisting on running the airline. Let's get real here.

      Delete
    12. +100000000 nemjee

      Attacks are getting annoying

      Delete
    13. Nemjee, do you know who replaced Keller?

      Delete
    14. No, sorry. No idea who replaced him.

      Delete
    15. What's happened to the Dutch guy Joost in charge of Commercial ?

      Delete
    16. YU-ARA engines are not serviced in Belgrade. Jat Tehnika has no Rolls-Royce certificate. There-by it makes no differene what engine type the other A330 or other wide-body plane will have.

      Delete
    17. Heavy checks are not done in BEG, regular are. JU has a lot of spare parts in Belgrade. Getting different engine means getting different spare parts for that aircraft.

      Delete
    18. Btw Air Serbia Maintenance is in charge of the Airbus fleet, Jat Tehnika handles Atrs and Boeings.

      Delete
  5. "The airline also recently named its new head of Network Planning, who formerly held the same posts at both British Airways and easyJet."

    Interesting development. Let's hope this person manages to do some good.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. A good sign is they didn't choose some political appointee.

      Delete
    2. I hope for the same outcome with new CEO, CCO, COO etc.

      Delete
    3. What is the name of that person?

      Delete
    4. ^^ And Salt.

      Delete
    5. Obviously has no links to Serbia (or Montenegro) like some were writing here a couple of days ago.

      Delete
    6. So that guy is British?

      Delete
    7. All of these positions - https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/04/air-serbia-hiring-new-staff-members.html that were previously run by Etihad are now being run by Air Serbia.

      Delete
    8. Anon 10.18

      CCO is Serb from Montenegro, head of scheduling is Andrew Salt who came to Serbia from easyJet. His wife is Serbian though.

      Delete
    9. What is the name of the new CCO?

      Delete
    10. It is really sad that after 5 years of managing the company, that Etihad was not able to train/develop any local Serbian talent to move into these positions as they now begin to depart. I thought that was one of the main things behind the mgt agreement - i remember Hogan talking about this in the very early days ie. Etihad would develop a pipeline of Serbian talent to move into key mgt positions as the time drew to an end on their mgt of the company. He saw this as one of their key obligations.

      So much for that... they had to bring in a Brit as head of network planning and God knows what other positions will be filled by other foreigners just because they didn;t do their job in developing Serbian talent ....

      Sad

      Delete
    11. Anon 14:51
      There is nothing sad in hiring good professional with lots of experience.

      Delete
  6. Ne mogu da docekam letnji red letenja. Nadam se da ce Toronto i Cikago(Peking) objaviti u martu na sajmu turizma kao sto su ucinili i sa JFK. Srecno AS.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Sajam turizma krajem februara :)

      Delete
  7. Guys, guys, guys...before praising Vinci, who just recently took over, all the previous achievements were thanks to the precvious management and NOT Vinci.
    I think they will start working during the upcoming months or so. They can´t just suddenly arrive and use their magic stick.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I somehow doubt Air France's return had anything to with Sasa Vlaisavljevic and his negotiating team.

      Delete
    2. The previous management did nothing to attract airlines. The one that came, came based on their own market research.

      Delete
  8. Vinci gives money to government, government gives money to AirSerbia, AirSerbia expands and brings more passengers to Vinci, Vinci gets its money back, government boasts big concession price and increased traffic. Not bad. Not bad at all.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Poor KVO and INI - I wish they were included in the combo concession pack.

      Delete
    2. Unfortunately they are included in this deal, regarding maximum pax number...

      Delete
  9. Well after the "welcome message" Air Serbia gave to VINCI (they still have it on their website as an important "alert"), I had no doubt VINCI would return the favour.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Nope, no favours yet from the Frenchies. BEG still not added to their map, but LGW is. Even though it's not shown in the menu.

      https://www.vinci-airports.com/en/our-airports-world

      I think they are still busy with the Gatwick purchase celebration and they will get back to work on Monday.

      Delete
    2. They are thinking how to resolve issue with the current world map in use... :)

      Delete
  10. I have been to Lisbon recently. The airport is operated by Vinci and unfortunately, it was one of ugliest and least practical airports I ever been.

    Re. JU, don’t have any hopes about the new management - it will be SNS 100%. Without Etihad, it will be somewhere like Tax Office (Poreska uprava). Network planning is a technical position and not managerial.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Not really. According to the contract, Etihad will make the decision on who will take top management positions.

      Delete
  11. Interesting development. Some sort expansion from JU is obviously *finally* coming.

    ReplyDelete
  12. No indication on the horizon that EY is pulling out of JU.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. They just extended their five year agreement for another 5 years. Why would they?

      Delete
    2. That is bad news for JU.

      Delete
    3. You would write the same thing if Etihad announced it was pulling out.

      Delete
    4. If Etihad pulled out it would be fantastic news for JU!
      They do not put any money in,they just charge way more than market rates for "services" and aircraft leases.
      But their worse contribution is their management advice and the strategic choices.
      No surprise here of course, they messed up every single airline they got their hands on...

      Delete
    5. Anon at 10:29
      +1

      Delete
    6. Everything seems to bad news for JU.

      Delete
    7. If only good news were coming out of JU it wouldn't be loss making.

      Delete
    8. Those writing how everything is bad news for Air Serbia has little to do with profits or losses. They have been repeating the same mantra since the day they heard what the company would be called.

      Delete
    9. ASL has been loss making from the beginning.
      But the management cheerleaders were calling "haters" everyone who dared criticize the strategies that kept the company in losses year after year.
      So please spare us with your advice.

      Delete
    10. And who are you to label anyone a "cheerleader" or "hater"? Are you the internet police? Not everyone that has a different opinion to yours is a "cheerleader", I never called you a hater. And as far as I can see you have been able to criticize from day one and no one has been stopping you, so who are you to say someone is a cheerleader whenever someone dares to say something positive?
      So please spare us your advice and double standards.

      Most people here like to discuss news. Writing "Bad news for Air Serbia" on every post shows you are not interested in aviation at all. If you were you would at least explain why. But the thing is, you don't even know why it's bad news for Air Serbia. You just have a line you have to write every day.

      Delete
    11. Both of you are correct.
      You obviously know that this blog has now it's official famous phrases for specific things:

      "Bad news for JU"
      "Bravo Hrvatska"
      "INI fanclub boys"
      "Regional leader"
      "Taxpayers for JU"
      "JP will go bankrupt"
      And so on and so on

      Lets make this forum a place for a healthy and good debate. In the end, we are all different and everyone is free to express themselves as long as it's not a personal attack.

      Wishing ASL a good start in 2019 and its goals for growth and prosperity.

      Delete
    12. Amin @Anonymous12:22!

      Delete
  13. Does this mean it's unlikely that we will see any major new LCC start flights to Belgrade? Or Wizz expand its network?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. No, Vinci has said numerous times they will work with airlines to launch new flights to Belgrade.

      Delete
  14. Excellent news.

    ReplyDelete
  15. Vinci constantly saying how they will help Air Serbia introduce new long haul routes means they will probably give Air Serbia some discounts or incentives for launching long haul flights.

    ReplyDelete
  16. Everything is good until serbian government support and pay for Air Serbia debts...

    ReplyDelete
  17. Good. This sort of cooperation will benifit all stakeholders.

    ReplyDelete
  18. If JU is going to expand, especially long haul, they should start opening bookings by now.

    ReplyDelete
  19. Okay, we've heard a lot of bad news in comments on an article with a rather positive outlook. What about good news? Is there any?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Of course:

      1) https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/09/air-serbia-negotiating-nis-flights.html
      2) https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/08/air-serbia-rolls-out-new-ancillary.html
      3) https://www.exyuaviation.com/2018/11/air-serbia-flights-to-toronto-in-2019.html

      ;)

      Delete
  20. Happy belated 2019 with best wishes to Air Serbia and BEG airport. JU served YYZ when only a handful of European airlines serviced Toronto, so resuming BEG-YYZ after almost three decades would be of significant importance for both airports. There was insufficient coverage of headwinds JU faced at YYZ.

    BEG achieved new high in 2018 with approx 5,64 million passengers. Congrats and now it's up to Vinci to officially pop the champagne.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Are official statistics out?

      Delete
    2. Ipak nisam siguran da je YYZ nekakav poseban uspjeh. Ja se više ponosim SYD kojeg i dan danas u Europi imaju samo BA i QF!!!

      Delete
    3. no numbers are not official or published. It's AirCEOs estimates.

      Delete
    4. @AirCEO
      There would be no "resuming of BEG-YYZ after almost three decades". JAT Yugoslav Airlines NEVER flew nonstop BEG-YYZ on scheduled bases. It was BEG-ZAG-YMX-YYZ on scheduled flights with DC-10, and BEG-ZAG-YYZ on charters with B707 before. So if this new service starts, the flight BEG-YYZ will be completely new one, no resuming. For the potential of the service, I agree there might be one, plenty of p2p Canada-Serbia, but also plenty of Greeks and Lebanese in Toronto, who like using JU, especially if connecting times and prices will be ok. I don't agree with the statement that "only a handful of European airlines serviced YYZ when JAT did", because the list includes TAP Portugal, SATA Acores, Sabena (now Brussels), British Airways, British Caledonian, Air France, Swissair, Lufthansa, Olympic Airways, Alitalia, KLM, Martinair, so a bit more than "handful". On the other hand, I agree with @Athos_cro that SYD was really something to be proud of, as at the time JAT flew there only other European airlines with SYD service were British Airways, KLM, UTA, Lufthansa, Alitalia, Lauda Air and Olympic

      Delete
    5. No one said "nonstop". I flew on it and it was direct. We didn't leave the plane in Montreal, so it is a resumption. Not all of those airlines served YYZ when JU started.

      Delete
    6. Leave or not leave the plane in Zagreb or in Montreal is absolutely irrelevant. Flight Belgrade-Toronto and flight Belgrade-Zagreb-Montreal-Toronto ARE NOT THE SAME FLIGHT, and therefore it is not resumption - it is new service. And you better check your sources because all of the airlines listed flew Toronto when JAT started.

      Delete
    7. BOAC introduced jet age with Comet from London to Johannesburg in 1952. Route was London-Rome-Beirut-Khartoum-Entebbe-Livingstone-Johannesburg. Airline name has since changed to British Airways and route is now nonstop, but it's the service from the same origin to the same destination. Try telling BA (or Qantas or KLM or any other airline that had vintage routes with multiple stops) that those flights don't count as part of the same service history just because stops changed or were no longer needed with more capable aircraft. JAT also had some crazy routing like JU 533 YYZ-OHD-BEG with 707 in 1983 but it's the same origin and destination between Toronto and Belgrade and v.v.

      Some of listed airlines only had service to Montreal or charters to Toronto before JAT but many airlines started regular services after JAT. SATA started chartes to Toronto in 1985. Sabena in 1987, TAP in 87 (they were absent for 21 years in YYZ and just resumed services couple of years ago), Finnair, El Al and SAS all started after JAT etc. When JAT introduced charters to YYZ it was only a handful from European airlines in Toronto.

      Delete
  21. 5,64 million passengers is 5,5% increase compared with 2017.
    Most airports in the region managed higher growth than that.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Including absolute numbers?

      I don't think so

      Delete
  22. Koji tezak period za nas,nadamo se da ce biti bolje.

    ReplyDelete

Post a Comment

EX-YU Aviation News does not tolerate insults, excessive swearing, racist, homophobic or any other chauvinist remarks or provocative posts with the intention of creating further arguments. A full list of comment guidelines can be found here. Thank you for your cooperation.